Toyota Highlander

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  • svtcobraconvsvtcobraconv Member Posts: 85
    TO Tow prep lists for $160, not $360. You do not need to order UQ (tow hitch and converter) in order to get TO, but you must order TO to get UQ. There is no way a dealer could add the components of the TO package to a Highlander not factory equipped with that package for $160. However, I suspect the dealer is being honest with you as far as finding a 4 cyl. 2WD set up that way. I also wanted one configured with your preference, but had to place a factory order to get it.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    A Sienna with VSC, leather and all the same stuff, will go pretty close to the price of the HL, if not a bit more. An apples to apples compairsion is in order.
  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    The HL is our second Toyota. Traded in a '97 Avalon (with std. V6) for something a little more fun. We have the oil changed every 3K to 4K miles at the dealer (provided free lifetime changes as part of the deal). No sludge found on either vehicle. Avalon had about 60K when we got rid of it last April (never even got a tuneup), and the HL now has almost 12K.
  • bikerjohnbikerjohn Member Posts: 52
    I've seen a number of posts from people wanting info on installing fog lights on the base model Highlander. I do agree that they look better than the cover plate, but do they really improve visibility in the fog?. Any comments from those who have fog lights?

    I've had my Limited for almost two months now, but haven't needed to use them. Luckily, no fog yet, or at least no thick fog.
  • wcpwcp Member Posts: 40
    I have them on my limited. The stock H3 bulbs are only 35W while most other vehicles I've seen use 55W or 9006 (same as the low beam)bulbs. When I turn my fog lights on and off, the difference they make is hardly noticeble. I agree with you that my HL does look better with them. But if you want to improve your visiblity, try upgrade your low beam bulbs and save $$$$. Just my 2 cents.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Member Posts: 278
    I have been dealing with Charlie at Maplewood Toyota here in MN.. He use to sell Saturns in Michigan and has only been at Maplewood for several months...may explain his lack of knowledge. I thought the idea of installing a complete TO package at the dealer was suspicious.
    When the posts here explained what you get in a TO pkg., I see how it beefs up the vehicle for towing 3K lbs.. It may be that I just order a 4 with the TO and wait...although, they may "deal" more on V6's since they're more "plentiful"....or so they say. I give Ross a call at Maplewood.
    Thanks for the info.. If anyone else has opinions on the 4 vs. 6 I'm wide open. I keep my vehicles about 8 years and change oil every 3K miles. Have a 98 Camry with a 4 and have been satisfied...again, no screamer, but gets us around with economy.
  • iceguysiceguys Member Posts: 18
    In my post of #4584 I used the word (Rhymes with hissed but substitute the H with a P )and was given a small slap on the wrist. I am sooooo sorry if I was at all offensive to anyone for using this VILE language. As a good Catholic who never takes the name of thy Lord thy God in vain, I will try to eliminate this word from any future correspondences on this board. What a bad girl I was!!!!!! Anyway, thank you all who wrote in and helped me with the snap crackle and pops yet again
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    I have the V6 AWD and love it. But I sometimes wished I would have gotten the 4 for better fuel economy. I have a friend who has the 4 and loves it. My old Previa van was a 4 (135 hp) and when I sold it with 175K miles, it still ran like new. Hope things go well with Ross!
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    Love your 'tongue in cheek' response to the "small slap" on your wrist!

    As you may recall, I tried to stand up for your "slip of the tongue" but as usual got my chops busted for my efforts.

    Like a cop once told me many years ago: "Some people spend too much time at the trough"

    I find it rather strange how some people that are given a little authority seem to let it go to their heads.

    388
  • hlltdhlltd Member Posts: 61
    Regarding the costs of the 4 cylinder motor VS the V6, I can understand the initial costs differences up front in purchasing the respective vehicles but,

    As far as the fuel economy differences, that is another question.

    Would anyone buy the 4 cylinder just because it gets only one more mile per gallon better fuel economy in the city and 2 miles more per gallon on the highway?

    These are the differences between the 4 and 6 cylinder HLs with 4WD.

    4WD 4 19/24

    4WD 6 18/22

    Even without the four wheel drive, will you give up the power and smoothness of the V6 to get three or four more miles per gallon? Even on the highway, that is only a 17.3% difference. So instead of spending say $10 to fill up the tank, it would cost $11.73.

    FWD 4 22/27

    FWD 6 19/23

    I'll gladly pay the increased charges for the improved power and smoothness of the 1MZ-FE.

    I cannot imagine how powerless the 4 banger would be in the 4WD models, with only 155 HP for 3715 pounds? Oh well.

    Better to have the 220 HP V6 and not use the extra power than to wish it was there, but it's not. And the way mine is running lately, I think that it has even more than the advertised 220 HP.

    My personal views only; Your mileage may vary.

    Good luck.

    388
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Don't forget to factor in the cost difference of the two. It is not insubstantial, and it is easier to find a 4 cylinder without extra options. That is a big consideration for many buyers.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Most 4WD situations you will willingly encounter with an HL or an RX require finesse not HP...
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I also drove both a 4 and 6 before I went with the 6. I was driving a 90 Camry with a 4 cyl and 5 speed. When I bought the Camry with the 4 I drove both the stick and automatic and the 5 speed performed much better (and it was a lot more fun to drive). I really needed the better gas mileage of the 5 speed as I had a long commute.

    I had doubts about the 4 on the HL due to the larger size of the vehicle but found it did perform well. What turned me to the 6:

    1. Difference in gas mileage is very small. I use 87 octane with the v6 and have gotten 20-22 mpg in mixed driving with every tank. I have a FWD.
    2. Look at the HP specs and the rpm's it takes to get there. You'll work your 4 cyl engine a lot harder to get the same performance level.
    3. I learned to drive in a classic muscle-car (67 Chevelle with a 396) and I really like the punch of the 6.
    4. A guy I work with had a van with a 4 and it labored getting up mountain roads. I'm planning on doing some serious driving on my vacation this year.
    5. Maintenance costs are nearly the same (add $ for two extra plugs and a bit of additional labor).

    Get the TO package if you can (I got it). Some pieces of it used to be an 'all weather package'. Shop around or order the HL to get one configured the way you want it. I got lucky and found one that wasn't loaded with stuff I didn't need.

    Good luck with your decision but the 6 was right for me and I am really enjoying it.

    Happy HL'ing
  • canyon53scanyon53s Member Posts: 5
    I just returned from test driving both the v-6 highlander and the forerunner.

    Both were great.... thinking about practicality...
    I do dog rescue... need to carry a crate, and have room for four 65 lb dogs.

    No snow, rain in winter. Hills and lots of em.

    Any thoughts? Seemed the highlander was more expensive....????

    *thanks for your thoughts*
  • normp1normp1 Member Posts: 25
    I realize this issue has been discussed to death , but as someone who is near to purchasing a Highlander V6, I value the opinion of those who have a comment. I would appreciate hearing from Cliffy and others in the know . If there is a design problem vs a maintenance issue is Toyota likely to address this in the very near future or will they likely ignore it until forced ? My biggest concern is that I drive only a short distance to work and from my research on the topic this is when the problem is most likely to occur. Thanks to those who post !!
  • acanzoneriacanzoneri Member Posts: 2
    Does anyone have a highlander that tows a boat?
    If yes, how well does it pull it out of the water?
    Does if have a hard time or does it pull it right out?
    At what speed can you get up to on the interstate?
  • roadrunner70roadrunner70 Member Posts: 241
    you should know how much your boat, motor and trailer, with gear weighs. i tow a rig which was weighed at a certified scale at 3,100 lbs. it tows great,and the brakes on the hl are incredible. my trailer also has brakes. acceleration is more than adequate, and handling is good. see the trailer boats magazine june or july issue, it tested it and was very complimentary. if you go ahead with the hl, and your trailer has brakes, you will need to hook it up to the back up light circuit to lock out the brakes when backing up. what do you tow your boat with now? let us know.
  • troyy2ktroyy2k Member Posts: 91
    Does the 2WD handle any differently than the 4WD in normal, on-road driving?
  • jelloneljellonel Member Posts: 2
    This is to Canyon53s...I currently own a V6 4WD Limited Highlander, had it for about a week and absolutely love it. I come from a family of Toyota trucks. So far my family members have gone through four 4Runners and two Tacoma trucks. I too was about to get a 4Runner but decided to get the HL instead...main reason >> it rides like a car. The 4Runner is great but I did notice that the HL has more room and is less bouncy. If you transport dogs, the HL may be a more comfortable ride for the animals. You can especially tell the bounciness of a 4Runner if you ride over bumps on the road or speed bumps in a parking lot. Another thing to consider is where you live. I live in the suburbs and travel to the mountains a few time a year, the HL is perfect for me. My family members that own Toyota trucks live in/near the mountains or travel there a lot more than I do. In terms of reliability, my mother-in-law lives in the mountains and put over 200,000 miles on her late 80's 4Runner, only a few years ago did she finally get rid of it to get a Toyota Tacoma. As for the HL, I assume it would have the same longevity. Good luck.
  • davidgardendavidgarden Member Posts: 5
    Dear hylndr61,

    Regarding your irritating "Seat Creaking Noise," I have also been dealing with this for the last few months. In my case I determined that the noise comes from the seat belt latching mechanism. Try and see if your noise goes away when you unlatch your seat belt. It's a difficult noise to nail down, I've been in to my service department three times and couldn't prove it to the technicians until the third time. Finally, they are going to look into fixing it. For some reason the plastic inside the seat belt latch creaks and is amplified into your ear by the horn shape of the outer plastic shell. Good luck with your situation and let us know if this fixes your "Creak."
  • matt101matt101 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for all the info provided by this board. Now have 800 miles with none of the problems reported on this board. Paid $800 over invoice for 2002 2wd limited. The buying experience was completely painless. I E-mailed Dianne Whitmore at Carson Toyota (California) and was provided the best quote in very little time. Highly recommend!
  • rutger3rutger3 Member Posts: 361
    Last year I was considering a HL,but passed when they were to difficult to get and priced high. How are things now? Any better as far as getting what you want in equipment? Still paying a premium price? Can you obtain a 4 cylinder and are side airbags still hard to find unless you pay for the Limited package. I am interested in a FWD. Located in central New Jersey. Any good dealers there? Thanks.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    Hello All,

    I am new to this Town Hall topic, as I never seriously considered an SUV before now. I currently own a Camry V6 and the top 2 contenders for my next vehicle were the new Nissan Altima and the VW Passat. My main issues with my Camry are: better handling, more safety features and styling (preferably sportier). The Altima and Passat pretty much fit the bill, but with the Passat, I'm worried about reliability and with the Altima, I would prefer better interior elements as well as a V6 without sport suspension. I want better handling without a harsh or jarring ride and I would prefer a V6. Does such a car exist? It didn't seem so. The new Camry seemed promising, but it just doesn't do it for me stylewise. I thought it would grow on me, but quite the opposite. The more I look at it, the more I think how little it looks like th spy shots that got me so excited about it before it arrived. I just don't find it an attractive looking car, my 2000 looks better to me and it's a pretty plain design. The 2002 looks like a bad cross between the Prius and the Avalon. But that's a matter of personal taste.

    Although the Highlander is still a rather conservative style, there is a bit of sportiness that catches my eye. It's not the eye candy of the Altima or Passat, but it looks pretty good as SUVs go. And it seems to have all the elements that I'm looking for, only in SUV form instead of midsize passenger car form. It has a nice, sporty type of design, it's reliable, it has lots of safety and luxury features and a nice interior. It also has a lot of room and AWD available. What's the holdup? Price and the fact that it's an SUV.

    I have yet to test drive one to see if I would even like driving an SUV. I thought that maybe it would be too large for me to feel comfortable driving it. But once I looked at the dimensions I saw that apart from height, it's not much bigger than a Camry, which it is based on. So it will have a smooth car-like ride as well as all the amenities that I would want. What I'm wondering is how it handles? Does it have soft handling like the Camry? Or is it really stiff and harsh? Or something in between? Tight handling but a smooth ride. This is what I'm looking for, but it seems hard to find this combination in an affordable vehicle.

    Now that you know my story, I'm curious about everyone's thoughts and opinions on someone like me (who generally prefers passenger cars) considering an SUV, the Highlander in particular. Should I even continue to consider it? Or could it be the solution to my car dilemma. I have plenty of time to think about it, so please share your thoughts.

    Thanks so much.

    SilverCrown
  • kyocera1kyocera1 Member Posts: 1
    Wondering if anyone has installed the front brush guard (mfg. by WAAG) on the HL. I had it installed in November '01 and frankly, it doesn't do anything for me. It looks great, but I'm thinking of taking it down and putting up for sale in late March when it warms up a bit. I will have pics available.
    email me at torresaxt@yahoo.com
  • brupopbrupop Member Posts: 63
    We too were seriously considering the Passat. Had the same reliability concerns. We did not think of ourselves as SUV people. However...

    Go drive the HL. It is as you say "Tight handling but a smooth ride."
    We love our Highlander(V6 AWD LTD).
    Good luck.
    GregB
  • hylndr61hylndr61 Member Posts: 51
    Thanks "davidgarden" for the suggestion. I have tried unlatching the seat belt and the creak is still there. Sounds like it's coming from near the front portion of the seat cushion. There are some plastic trim covers located in this area that I suspect may be involved. The sound is pretty much continuous now when the vehicle is in motion. It seems to intensify in colder temperatures. I hope to do some investigating on my own before taking it to the dealer. I'll post what I find out.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Welcome to the Town Hall!

    I don't know whether it's possible, but you might want to see if you can rent one for a few days. People don't often mention it, but the transition from a regular passenger car to an SUV can be a bit of a shock!

    I went from a Camry to a 4Runner and it took some getting used to. My main need at the time was four wheel drive. Unfortunately, the 4Runner was underpowered (I got it just before they went to 6 cylinders) which is not desirable on these mountain roads.

    On the other hand, there are a lot of very happy SUVers here and I am sure they will offer a ton of advice!

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  • karen_tnkaren_tn Member Posts: 22
    Have you considered the Lexus IS300?
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    I went from a Camry (a 90 5-speed with 223k miles) to a HL. I looked at 4Runner (too big) RAV4 (too small) and Tacoma (felt too top-heavy for me) and decided to keep the Camry until the wheels fell off of it.

    Then I discovered and drove a HL...WOW. Had to have one and within a week it was done. It doesn't hug the curves like the Camry but doesn't feel tippy like the Tacoma did. It rides more like a stiff Camry than a truck.

    I work in a job where I have to get in, even in bad weather. We don't get much snow but when we do it is a mess since there aren't enought road crews to keep up with it when it gets over 4-6 inches. The last storm dropped about 6-8 inches and I took the HL out in it and learned how it feels on sloppy roads. I got V6 FWD (3-4 snow storms can't justify AWD for me) and I feel it is the best car I've ever owned.

    Just goes to show...I don't even call it a truck I think of it as a Camry on steroids.

    Drive one and see. Those Camry commericals...you want one...should be for the HL LOL
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    Many thanks for all of the prompt responses that I have received so far regarding my question about Highlander handling.

    brupop: I suspected from the descriptions that the handling would be tighter and more confidence inspiring than in my Camry but would also retain some of the ride smoothness that I love. And I'm thinking that the AWD would increase confidence levels even further. Thank you for confirming my theory.

    tidester: Thank you for the warm welcome. I have been on the Town Hall since last year, but this is my first venture into the SUV forums. Renting one is a good idea, if I get serious about it, then I will try to do that. I can see it being a huge transition, but I was thinking that it may be less so with the Highlander since it is supposed to have a "car-like ride". That's part of the appeal for me. I plan to test drive one next week, when I go for service on my car. I'll keep you guys posted on my driving impressions.

    karen: I have not considered any Lexus models, I guess I just assume they are out of my price range. However, I can see the HL as becoming very expensive if fully optioned out. Nevertheless, I suspect that the IS300 would be too harsh of a ride for me. Plus, I think it has a small rear seat, which wouldn't work well for me.

    pdalpsher: Your comments were also reinforcing. Although I don't feel that my Camry hugs any curves, it seems a bit wallowy to me, but perhaps the older models handled differently. I live in Michigan and sometimes our winters can be relatively mild (like this year so far) and sometimes we get dumped with a ton of snow. I'm not sure if AWD would be worth it, but if I can afford it, I think it would be good to have for those time when we do have "blizzard weather." I can't wait for my test drive.

    BTW, I test drove the new Nissan Altima last month and was really impressed. However, the V6 is only available with the SE model (with sport suspension) as well as other desirable options like traction control and auto climate control. I drove the 4 cyl which seemed pretty powerful, but I would not be able to get all of the options that I want on it. Hence, my inclusion of the Highlander, which has all of those options available and a V6. The Altima is a beautiful, sporty car though. But Toyota has been good to me, and it would be nice to stick with them if I can.

    Thanks again and keep the comments coming!

    SilverCrown
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    Just be careful about the overconfidence thing. AWD may get you going better but stopping in snow is still stopping in snow. The ABS is great but don't be like someone who posted recently in another forum that they were doing 60 MPH and lost control on some ice. Once you lose traction it is gone on some road conditions.

    I live in Virginia and I swear the traffic on the interstates doesn't slow down until folks are literally flying off the road. State Police had to issue a special warning to SUV drivers to slow down (6-8 inches, over 300 wrecks in less than 2 hours, most of them SUVs going too fast for conditions).

    I have more confidence I will get to where I need to be but don't have any illusion about traveling those conditions at higher speeds than what the Camry did.
  • petlpetl Member Posts: 610
    The HL is actually bigger than the 4Runner. It is longer (184 vs 178 inches) and has more interior space for passengers and cargo (with the seats down 81.4 vs 79.8). However the 4Runner is taller (69.3 vs 68.7 with roof rack). The main difference is that the HL is car based and the Runner is body on frame (truck). Two completely different vehicles.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Just returned from testing...

    2001 AWD RX300

    Only conclusive test indicates maximum torque to the rear is approximately 25% and TRAC does NOT activate for F/R torque distribution.
  • bakertsbbakertsb Member Posts: 2
    I've been reading this site since November (that is when we bought our HL). I haven't responded to anyone as of yet but I just had to respond to Silvercrown.

    I drove a Chev Malibu for almost 5 years and really liked it. When we first saw the HL, my husband really wanted one. I was very skeptical since it was a SUV. However, he got me in one and I drove it and then I was determined to have one.
    Since we bought it, my husband hardly gets to drive it. I would not trade it for any other vehicle!!! I feel like I am in a car but higher and with more space. The handling is great, very smooth and quiet. The interior is very comfortable and easy to get into. I'm not very tall so that was a definite plus. My husband on the other hand is 6'3", he is just as comfortable in it as I am. I plan to keep this vehicle a very long time. With a little over 2000 miles we have had no problems at all. I can't wait to go on vacation this summer and drive it a good ways.
  • maxintoshmaxintosh Member Posts: 39
    It's not going to handle like a Passat. I sum up the Highlander's handling abilities as: confident. You always feel in control. It rolls a little bit (which is actually advantageous to AWD) but nothing offensive, and the steering is very sharp. The ride is very smooth and quiet.

    Also, VSC is a worthy option which really works wonders in poor conditions making quick maneuvers. It was a mess of snow and rain and road sand this weekend and VSC kicked in a few times and really did its job.

    It's probably the best-handling SUV save the BMW X5.
  • quirt904quirt904 Member Posts: 4
    I've been following this board since last spring and have profited from all the input. I took delivery of my HL in early December, and it's time to share some thoughts about the vehicle for current and potential HL owners. (In another post, I'll tell a cautionary tale about my buying experience, involving a special order delivered eight months after signing the contract.)

    Below are some personal, random observations--nothing gospel:

    1. This is, as so many have said, an awesome vehicle--smooth, solidly made, well designed.

    2. Privacy glass--I'm sorry I got this option. Oh, it looks cool, and it does what it's supposed to do, but it's a bear at night, significantly reducing visibility when you look over your shoulder trying to see who's coming up from behind in your blind spots. This is true to a lesser degree even in daylight.

    3. Blind spots--This is the first SUV I've owned so maybe it's common with this type of vehicle, but you do have to be extraordinarily careful when changing lanes.

    4. Headlights--They are incredibly bright. I initially considered getting the foglights, but I wasn't willing to do the Limited route just to get them .And I'm glad I didn't.

    5. Colors--Bluestone is an extremely attractive color. I saw various photos of the bluestone during the research, buying, waiting periods, and none of them reflected the reality. In most of the photos I saw, bluestone looked, well, grayish and stodgy. It's sharper than that.

    6. Headroom--I avoided the moonroof option because I wanted more headroom. I'm a little over six feet and there is a ton of headroom.

    7. Keyless entry/tonneau cover--Keyless entry is a great feature. Tonneau cover...eh. But you can't get the keyless without the tonneau.

    8. Tires--Bridgestones, also eh. Toyota dropped the ball here. But I'm not going to basically dump adequate tires and drop big bucks on Michelins. Related: Target sells a $10 digital tire pressure gauge by Accutire. A good investment.

    9. Stereo--Maybe I have a tin ear, but the standard system seems ok to me, not great, but ok.
  • regularguyregularguy Member Posts: 29
    Thinking about plunking down a deposit to get a Highlander fresh off the boat. I hate the thought of somebody test-driving my future car... other than me. The dealers around here don't have all that many HLs on their lots, so with some of the colors I need to use my imagination based on the chip in the brochure. I don't think I've ever seen a "live" version of bluestone, green, indigo, or red... all of which are good possibilities for me. Plenty of whites, blacks, and greys, though, all of which I've already rejected. (Grey is fine, but my wife's car is grey and I don't want to match, for some reason.) What color or colors do you think look good on th HL?
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    This is a really nice topic board. Everyone is so nice and helpful.

    Out of curiosity, are most HL owners going for the 2WD or the 4WD? Also, which model type is most popular, the one with the Limited package (which seems really nice but quite expensive)? Or the one without it? All the bells and whistles sound great, but it can get quite costly IMHO. I was just curious as to what most HL owners opted for and what is perceived as the best value for the $$$.

    Thanks again.

    SilverCrown
  • hlronhlron Member Posts: 113
    Silvercrown, and All - I went from a '97 Honda Accord to my 2001 Highlander. Silvercrown, I too was not a real SUV person...I liked SUVs for their versitility, but I just could not take the gas mileage drop from my Accord to what a regular SUV would be (both for fiscal and personal guilt reasons about driving a lower MPH vehicle!), and I liked the comfort of the Accord. In fact, I was planning to replace my '97 Accord with a 2002 Accord...but, during the process I thought I would check out other cars first...while flipping through Consumer Reports, I discovered the Highlander and almost immediately went down to a couple of Toyota dealers. That was in June, and now at a bit over 11,000 miles later I am very glad I bought the Highlander. The transition from the Accord to the Highlander was a piece of cake - the only real difference I noticed was the height of the HL, although it is easy to get in and out of. The HL handles easily - in fact, for me it is actually fun to drive - rides smooth, is comfortable, the gas mileage is okay, and there have been LOTS of times I was glad to have an SUV for hauling things or other reasons, including the fact that is it simply great having the extra space. Bottom line for me is that if something happened to my Highlander, I would not hesitate to replace it with another one. Good luck with your decision! /Ron
  • pdalpsherpdalpsher Member Posts: 136
    Try to see the colors in the sunlight. Most of the colors are awesome so you should probably factor in how much time you have to wash and polish. Red and green are knock-your-socks off gorgeous if the car is spotless. All the metallics look great in the sun. The 'grey' is not flat but is a metallic and it is awesome in the sun (has a lot of depth).

    My HL is silver (grey) and I love it. I didn't care for the gold as I just don't think the current gold is as pretty as it has been in the past.

    The only color I wouldn't recommend is black. Insurance industry statistics show black cars are involved in more accidents...this statistic is ages old so I've always avoided black vehicles. Black is also a high-maintenance color.
  • regularguyregularguy Member Posts: 29
    Yeah; it's silver, not "grey". I'm driving a silver Accord currently.

    Always thought that green looked really nice on an SUV. Silver is probably the lowest-mainenance color there is. Black is probably the highest.

    We're keeping the old Accord for my 16-year-old son, and my wife also has a silver car (a Subaru WRX!), and I don't want to have a driveway with three color-coordinated cars.

    Speaking of washing cars, what's the situation with the antenna on the non-LTD HLs when you go to a carwashing. Kinda cheap of Toyota not to have the invisible antenna on all models.
  • xcarnutxcarnut Member Posts: 81
    regguy - Mine is a electric Green, looks really nice in the sun and when washed. Being a darker color it does require me to use the duster daily in summer months to keep the shine last longer than a day. But that applies to any dark color.
    Bluestone metallic is my personal fav, would love to trade mine for this color with anyone. It is just a sharp color with depth, and looks great when clean and doesn't dirty when not washed or in winter months.
    silvercrown - mine ia AWD, but wouldn't have gotten a AWD had I a choice. I bought mine which was the only one on the lot. If FWD will do the job, then AWD is extra parts moving that'll need maintainence and repairs long after warranty is over and with it will come extra repair cost if and when required.
    Over-all the fit and finish is up to par with the German cars, from the moment the door is shut the thunk is very German. Often I go with a friends that own new Audis', Bimmers, and VW the fit, finish of the trim, plastics, doors, was identical to the HL.
  • firewalker2firewalker2 Member Posts: 3
    I went to my local Toyota car dealership and agreed on a price which was 3% over invoice. He searched for the vehicle I wanted which was a 2WD 6cyl, tan. All I wanted on it was the convience package, spoiler and and roof rack system.. He figured it to run $26,510 cpunting shipping.He popped Highlander up on the computer screen. There were only two listings of the style number 6914 and both had many options and packages that i didn't want and of course they were higher. He said that he could not order it thru the computer so the salesman wrote out an order sheet with just what I wanted and said it take about 4 mos. No problem. 2 hours later the salesman call me back and said that they went to call it in and were told that they could not order one with those options alone and that they could only order one of the two that was on the computer, the cheapest being $28,200. Can this be right or are they pulling a fast one on me?
  • 1strider1strider Member Posts: 9
    of course color is subjective, but definatly try to check them out in sunlight. the red is more of a red-orange and while my friend has one, it's not for everyone. the bluestone is a gorgeous color but very hard to find.We are looking at the HL now and i have a blue car similar to the bluestone, so we will probably end up with black(yes i know-high maintenance)
  • 1strider1strider Member Posts: 9
    has anyone heard of 'dealer advertising costs' being added to the invoice? i'm negotiating an amount over invoice and i was told the invoice price listed on edmunds,carpoint,etc. don't include these costs.any advise would be appreciated
  • regularguyregularguy Member Posts: 29
    I was talking to a salesman last night who seemed to be a straight-shooter. He showed me a sheet detailing every HL that was coming into the entire multi-state region in January. For most types of HL ("type" being, for example, "6-cyl, FWD, non-Ltd"... which is what I'm shopping for), there were only two or three ways you could get it off the boat. The LEAST equipped had the Appearance Package and Convenience Package and power seats. The other way added sunroof to that set-up. If you don't want something in the standard configuration of options, you do a special factory order which will have you waiting 4 months or so. That's just the way it is. Of course, the dealer can ADD things to the standard configuration

    Go to the Toyota website and click on "build your own vehicle". That only lets you choose the groupings of options that dealers actually receive, rather than letting you choose item-by-item (as Edmunds does).

    Bottom line is that you can have it made just the way you like it, but be prepared to wait
  • hughp1hughp1 Member Posts: 9
    This is for Cliffy1 or anyone else who is in the know about ordering vehicles from Toyota that are manufactured in Japan. I would like to order a Highlander that doesn't have a lot of the equipment that appear on most of the Highlanders I have seen on the dealers lots. Not that I don't think the Highlanders are nice as equipped but don't see the need for some of the goodies that are stuck on them. My local Toyota dealer says that they cannot order any Highlander. They are restricted to what the manufacturer send them. I told him that I don't mind waiting as long as it takes but he said no. What is the real deal.
  • jmikerjmiker Member Posts: 21
    1strider: Yes, if you are negotiating based up from invoice, you will need to factor in "TDA", which is a percentage of the invoice cost. I ordered my HL from a dealer in Cincinnati, OH and we negotiated the deal at $800 over cost, but then TDA is added in to that as well. Some regions will cap this amount, so it does not go over a certain amount, be here they do not. This month, the TDA is at approximately 1.4% of invoice or $447 for my AWD Limited, which is loaded.

    Regularguy: I have seen the Indigo in person and I must say it looks great!! That is the color I ordered after seeing one in a showroom. I had them take it out, and spent some time driving it and it is really an attractive color. A very deep, dark blue, I would call it Navy. Good luck on your decision!

    Mike
  • tommyg12tommyg12 Member Posts: 158
    The Highlander is a vehicle that looks good in almost any exterior color, but is Tan the only leather option for 2002? I thought that the Light Grey from last year was very nice.
  • gwkisergwkiser Member Posts: 326
    The light grey is a PIO (port installed option) or a dealer installation. The HL has always been offered only in a tan color if the factory leather is chosen.
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