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2007 Mazda CX-9

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  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    sailor55,
    AWD does NOT make sense. Very over-hyped by marketers who want to fool you into buying something not worth much. It reduces your MPG, for one thing, and adds dead weight, adds noise, and is one more thing to maintain and/or watch fail. Few people can really justify AWD, since its only good for climbing long hills on ice/snow, something that Traction Control on a FWD handles pretty well anyway. Anti-lock brakes are plenty worth it, improving stopping, which is the really dangerous part of driving. And, if you can get stability control (a.k.a, "anti-skid"), then that is great, worth it, as it will help you maintain steering control.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Well, yes and no. AWD, even on a reactive system, can enhance spirited driving (assuming it ever occurs ;) ) by easing some of the understeer inherent in a FWD platform. Given the "heart of a sportscar" pedigree espoused by Mazda, it's to be hoped that when you feel like pushing a little through the curves, this is the crossover that will be responsive to the call.

    As far as the snow thing goes, I spent years schlepping back and forth to Tahoe in a RWD, 21-foot long Olds convertible, and my take is chains and brains will get you farther than the faux security of unstudied AWD...
  • jtbaerjtbaer Member Posts: 16
    The CX-9 looks like a great crossover in many ways. I just wish they made a hybrid version as I am not that impressed with its mileage. Does anybody know if this is in the works and when it might be available? Ford and Mazda clearly have the technology with the Escape hybrid to accomplish this, if they so desired.
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    The CVT used in the Escape cannot handle the 3.5L V6. They would probably have to lease different hybrid parts from Toyota, like those used in the Highlander Hybrid. They'd probably have to rework the 6-speed too. It's pretty agressive and not geared for gas mileage. Mazda uses an Aisin 6-speed that's equally agressive too.
  • jrcosmojrcosmo Member Posts: 3
    I'm looking for CUV to replace Audi wagon. With stability control, FWD should do unless driving in snowy slush. Better mileage and fewer potential mechanical problems. My disappointment w/ CX-9 is that when 3rd row folded flat, 4" gap remains behind 2nd row for lots of stuff to get lost in. I'd have hoped that Mazda would have designed so butt up against. Creates gap across entire cargo area when both 2nd and 3rd folded. Outlook has continuous surface when seats folded and looks like Veracruz does too. Hoping Toyota got this right with new Highlander.
  • lazyace13lazyace13 Member Posts: 15
    I believe that the gap behind the second row is there because the second row has forward and backward slide adjustment. If only the third row was folded, you would still want to be able to adjust the fore and aft movement of the second row.
  • 07xle07xle Member Posts: 177
    link title
  • kws6000kws6000 Member Posts: 1
    He was being charitable about the ride.I test drove a GT last night.On perfect roads the ride was fine.On anything other than a perfect road,at highway speeds it rides like a wagon.You can feel every imperfection,and the ride is constantly jiggly.My c5 corvette with runflats rides better on the same roads.
  • coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    All the CX9 needs is a 75kW electric motor and the charging engine just like the one in the Chevy Volt show car ( google -- chevy volt detroit auto show ). Then you'd see full torque right off the line, and 50 MPG with a 500 mile range. Remember the most effective (ala Chevy Volt) method is to just use a small gas or diesel engine to recharge some advanced batteries, not drive up the cost by complicated hybrid transmissions.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    This post could be made on every Edmunds forum. What's the point?
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Too bad the 400 lithium-ion battery used in the Volt concept doesn't exist yet. They could, in theory, use a system like the Tesla car. Just speculation... and of topic :P
  • cobraboy1cobraboy1 Member Posts: 69
    The second row slides forward and backward, go back and look at it again make sure that the second row seat is slid back all the way and you will see that there is no gap.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    The CVT used in the Escape cannot handle the 3.5L V6.

    I seriously doubt they'd use the 3.5 for a hybrid CX-9 anyway. Most hybrids right now, the Escape included, are an I4 paired with an electronic motor whose size and output varies from hybrid to hybrid. The 2.3L I4 and a robust electronic motor are all the CX-9 need to be a hybrid. The CVT will work with that. The 2008 Mazda Tribute will have a hybrid version with the CVT FWIW.

    Also of note, the Ford Freestyle and Five Hundred both used a CVT with the Duratec30. Now that both will get the Duratec35 for 2008 they dropped the CVT and switched to a 6-Speed ATX. Power, as you stated, seems to be the limiting factor in using the CVT.
  • laker34laker34 Member Posts: 27
    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2007-02-02-cx-9_x.htm
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Yup, the torque limit for the CVT is 258 ft. lbs. If a customer decided to upgrade the exhaust or make some other performance update, they'd be over the limit.
  • simagicsimagic Member Posts: 84
    Just saw the CX-9 at the Philly car show. Really liked the car, but a few "observations".. Although this is very very minor, it is indeed a great convenience. I could not find a coin holder anywhere. Again this is minor but we've all been to the drive-up window, or the toll booth, and it is nice to pull out the exact coins that you need instead of fumbling around with a hand full of coins and picking them out individually. For 40 grand it really would be nice. Also, I mistakenly thought ( maybe from a different website), that the CX-9 had either heated windshield wiper fluid or some windshield wiper defrosting system, that I notice is on the Veracruz and the Acadia. That's a pretty nice option for those days when your wipers are full of ice.
    And lastly, I had asked the Mazda rep. about the power liftgate. Maybe I'm wrong, but I figured a power liftgate would be opened by a press of a button on your remote so as you approach the car ( presumably with a hand full of "stuff") that the rear liftgate would be open for you so you can just place your "stuff" down. He showed me a button "inside" the car that popped the rear open and proceeded to demonstrate. To me, that's just a rear door release button. Not what I thought would be a "power liftgate".....Unless, of course, the rep had no idea about the power liftgate option at all and was just showing me what "he" thought it was.....Any thoughts guys..
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Unfortunately, the CX-9 they had at the Louisville car show wasn't loaded so I didn't get to check out any of those things. From what people have said about the Veracruz, it is supposed to be on the remote, and there is a close button on the bottom of the actual tailgate so you can just press it and step out of the way.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    As reported in earlier posts on this thread, the power liftgate won't be available until "Spring".
  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    You went to the Louisville New Car show? Me too...jajajaThe CX-9 didnt look as i thought it would i guess thats a good thing.
  • arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Yup, I was there the last day. I wish they had removed the batteries from the cars. I couldn't adjust the seats in any of the vehicles with power seats.

    I really love the look of the CX-9. I was just unimpressed with the space. My wife still really loves it so it remains on the list, along with the Veracruz.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Did you get your CX-9 today?? They are shipping to our region today and tomorrow.
  • d_hyperd_hyper Member Posts: 130
    Sat in the fully loaded model at Lee Johnson in Kirkland, WA - very well apportioned vehicle (it better be). Doesn't look too big. But a left knee bumps into the door handle-bar, which is very annoying.
  • fromsffromsf Member Posts: 19
    I test drove a Sport Model here at Bay Area dealership and not impressed with the space and the interior. We felt thigh support on the second row was very bad. Also with a car seat in the second row, two adults couldn't sit comfortably. We didn't feel any difference between our Corolla and CX-9 which is 5+ inches wider.

    I am visiting another dealer on Wednesday to test drive a GT model.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    When you drive the GT, please evaluate ride harshness. How well does it isolate passengers from expansion joints (tar strips). Also, how much are you jostled on low-speed twisty pavement like entering a driveway.
  • opusxopusx Member Posts: 3
    Does anyone know what the cost of these are? Although I like the CX-9, I am concerned about the cost of replacement as well as selection.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    That would be a concern of mine too and the issue pops up now and then with newly introduced cars.

    Right now people with newer Quests are having problems finding replacement tires for their vans since they use an odd size and not many manufacturers are making that size yet. So not only is selection very limited, finding ones in stock is a bit hard too (which would be a pain if you had a blowout).
  • opusxopusx Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the post Steve.....I also heard that with these types of tires, you need to replace all of them together even if only a set of two is worn. This would signficantly increase the costs as well. If anyone knows about this, please post as well.

    Re: the post by 07xle, don't want to get in a flame war with you but your post is not helpful. This was my first post into what I had observed was generally a friendly community where if you didn't know or couldn't find out info, you could ask. I think this place should be like this so I would encourage you to refrain from discouraging others.

    opusx
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    My AWD Subaru is touchy about tires. Don't know about the CX-9. I have a pretty new set on my Outback - supposedly if I destroy a tire and the replacement isn't within a certain percentage circumference (or is it diameter?) of the other three, I can get the new tire shaved to match so it won't mess up the drivetrain.
  • sssfegysssfegy Member Posts: 132
    I'm almost positive you have to do that with every AWD vehicle.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Neither diameter nor circumference is the critical factor. The rolling radius is. This is best reflected by the Revs/Mile, which you can get from the tire rack site.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Oh good - so I can just deflate the new tire a bunch and not have to shave it!

    ;)

    I actually swept my drive last summer with a magnet bar and have sworn off flats for the duration. :shades:
  • carlitos92carlitos92 Member Posts: 458
    So, do they make these magnet bars for front-bumper installations? It'd be great to have a sort of "cow-catcher" for nails! :P
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Someone would install it on a Kia & it would be halted by metal drain grids. :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    lol, not a bad idea maybe. My old 10-speed had little tire scrapers that were supposed to brush the glass and thorns away before they would cause a flat.

    We'll be tossing out more patent invention ideas at the Mazda chat in an hour. The link's on the left.
  • deansterdeanster Member Posts: 3
    Hi all - I test drove a FWD GT CX-9 at Doug's Lynnwood Mazda just north of Seattle today.

    I'm looking at moving out of my 2000 Dodge Durango, and really want a CX-7, but with small kids, need a bit more space. I'm looking for something between the Durango and the CX-7, and the CX-9 is a prime candidate.

    Immediate observatons - the CX-9 is a big vehicle - I'd looked at the CX-7/CX-9 side by side photos, and anticipated that the CX-9 would be 'one size' larger. It's really more like 'two sizes' larger. It looks good, but not nearly as aggressive as the 7 - smoother overall, less muscular.

    Interior space seemed good in the back, though I seriously question the capacity to have tall people in all three rows - if the front seat is in the back half of its tracks, the second row needs to be all the way back for decent leg room, and that leaves the folks in back with next to nothing.

    Rear seats are pretty good, though, and the leather is much nicer than the 7.

    I found the 'cockpit' deeply dissapointing, mostly because there's a HUGE console running from front to back, but the console bin is quite small, the cupholders are OK, but nothing special, and there's only one smaller bin under the dash for a cellphone. That would be OK in many vehicles, but with this HUGE and intrusive (to me) center console, it seems like there's a missed opportunity to make better use of the space. Seats are comfortable, gauges clear and easy to read, etc. Basic controls are all good.

    Driving experience - drives well for its size, but not much sense of zoom zoom in acceleration, even with only driver and passenger on board. Enough power to chirp the tires, and it's reasonably fast off the mark, but none of the 'snap your head back' you get in the CX-7. Speed and power are fine - better than a Nissan Murano, but well under the CX-7 experience. I seriously wonder about performance with five or six people and/or a significant load aboard - hard to imagine that it wouldn't begin to feel sluggish, though you never really know 'till you try it.

    Cornering - it's a beauty in the corners. Very composed, minimal body lean (for an SUV), and very sure. Probably the best-cornering SUV/CUV I've driven (I haven't tried the Cayenne).

    Ride - overall good, but a bit harsh - I think the 20 rims and low profile tires (Bridgestones on my tester) are the real culprits here - the suspension handled larger bumps with aplomb, but smaller bumps, like tar strips, or manhole covers, came through loud and clear. Given the choice, I'd go for smaller rims, and deeper sidewalls on the tires, for sure.

    Overall - A good car, but not the 'big CX-7' I'd been hoping for. It's a very nice large CUV, and overall a very good vehicle, but I really notice the lower power/weight ratio and the total weight. While it's theoretically got the same ft-lbs as my 5.9 Durango, in a much lighter package, it's not particularly snappy off the line, and lacks the very exciting response of the CX-7.

    That's not entirely unexpected, given the engine and specs, but I guess I'd held out hope that Madza had somehow found a way to make it more aggressive-feeling.

    Bottom Line - it's a solid competitor in the mid-sized SUV/CUV sector, but not the obvious 'winner' in the category that the CX-7 is for someone looking at that size vehicle. The trade-off is that the CX-7 is awfully small, compared to it's CUV/SUV cousins, and the only thing keeping me from buying one is my need for at least Murano-sized space. If the CX-9 felt like an upsized CX-7, one would be in my garage this week.

    But it doesn't, and that puts me back on the hunt.
  • maddmikemaddmike Member Posts: 12
    Great review Deanster. I'm hoping that Mazda will come out with the same added features as the CX-9 in the 2008 CX-7. I don't need all the added space and bulk the CX-9 provides. If there was a CX-7 with the same features as the loaded GT CX-9 it would be a winner in my book.
  • guyfguyf Member Posts: 456
    Good review, thanks!
  • tdiidmantdiidman Member Posts: 35
    Nice review, deanster. I think you've missed your calling- you should write reviews for an automotive magazine. By the way, have you looked at the GM Lambdas (Acadia, Outlook)?
  • grogshopgrogshop Member Posts: 1
    Hi all,

    I test drove the CX-9 GT last weekend and wanted to help y'all out. Vastly different experiences at two different dealers.

    Impressions:

    I think the vehicle is gorgeous. We are Expedition drivers currently and the styling is SO much better. I'm 6'4" and fit into all seats except I ran out of headroom in the third row. Leg room was adequate back there, but I think anyone over 6' would struggle in row 3. I JUST fit in the front seats with a moonroof. Note that the pass. seat does not adjust up and down (6-way, not 8-way). Legroom was fine, but my skull was close to the headliner.

    I felt the CX-9 was very quick off the line. It handled very well in the city. Braking was quite good. It is a quiet vehicle. I was expecting a semi-rough ride with the 20" tires, but thought the ride was fine.

    I should mention that I am eligible for Mazda S-plan pricing. S plan is near dealer cost and the paperwork is reviewed by Mazda to ensure you're not getting hosed. This is where it got interesting at the dealerships I visited. I lease priced a GT FWD at two dealers.

    Dealer A had a stripped GT with a MSRP of $33,350. They quoted me a money factor of .00237 for a 39 month lease at 15,000 miles per year. The CX-9 looks like a good vehicle to lease; the residual in this scenario is a whopping 50 or 52% after 39 months. With a downpayment of $1,000, I was quoted a $549 payment. This quote seemed good, but I had a feeling they were fleecing me a bit.

    Dealer B was a very straight shooter. No sales guy leaving you alone at a table while he goes into the closers' office. This dealer priced me out the loaded GT I'm looking for (bose/rear seat ent, navigation, sat. radio, mats, net). MSRP was apx. $38,500 and my net sale price was $35,200. He quoted me a lower money factor of .00137 (this frosted me-dealer A was building in extra profit). This deal was again for 39 months, but 12K miles per year. Residual value was 52% at the end of the lease. $1,000 down netted a payment of $521!

    Bottom line: The 27 month and 48 month lease rates are not that attractive. The 39 month looks like the way to go. Make sure you are getting the best money factor possible.

    Now all I have to do is hope my wife likes the CX9 over the 2007 Expedition. She's used to the space. The vehicles are priced about the same, but the EXP has a higher payment due to its lower residual. I hope this helps everyone. We'll hopefully end up ordering one. The dealers say orders will take about 3 months...
  • fromsffromsf Member Posts: 19
    CX-9 was hyped too much before the launch which has created very high expectations for the price.

    As you said, its a good vehicle but not the best. Also there isn't any another vehicle that stands out clearly. Even the redesigned Highlander looks awful and resembles Santa Fe.

    Hope Veracruz stands out....
  • srangersranger Member Posts: 106
    Good review,

    It sounds like you want a CX-7... I agree. If it had any real towing capacity I would buy one. Maybe they will stuff the 3.5LV6 in one for 2008... Talk about zoom zoom...
  • mikezoomzoommikezoomzoom Member Posts: 69
    It's not that they were fleecing you... they were doing what's allowed to them. Mazda American Credit allows a dealer to mark-up the money factor on their Special MAC Leases by up to .00104.

    They only marked the buy-rate of .00137 up by a point. This allows a financial reserve of profit since these vehicles don't have large margins to begin with(especially when it comes to S-Plan).

    Also keep in mind that a Mazda dealer honoring S-Plan is at their discretion. If you found a dealer that was willing to honor S-Plan on a CX-9 right out of the gate you might want to seize the opportunity. That's awesome!!!

    Zoom Zoom
  • balooobalooo Member Posts: 24
    I test drove a CX-9 at Duval Mazda in Gainesville Fl yesterday after a much anticipated wait.
    It does handle very well the fit and finish is average. Frankly I was very disappointed with interior space in the rear.
    The driver and passenger cockpit area works well however space in the third row is not suffient in a real world scenario except for kids contrary to what is being said.
    I am six feet tall and there is no way I could ride in the third row for more then a quick ride to a restaurant etc.
    That being said forget about more than five people stowing enough gear behind the third row seat for a weekend trip it is simply not happening; there is not enough room with the third row up period.
    Now I am not a car geek so you are not going to hear a lot of techno jargon about the CX-9 specs here just an honest observation from someone shopping for a new hauler to accomodate a family of four...
    My current vehical is a 2004 Toyota Sienna LE and overall I am happy with it however this is for me and my wife an emotional buy... we prefer not to drive a "Mom Mobile" anymore so we are shopping and was excited about what we had seen and read about the CX-9 in the press leading up it's arrival at the dealerships.
    We test drove a CX-7 in December and very excited about purchasing a larger version the CX-7.
    After driving the CX-9 the "emotional aspect" of this process became apparent because the CX-9 cannot hold a candle to my Sienna for overall practicality,real room for seven,ride,storage and ease of access.
    The CX-9 is hyped way out of proportion in comparison to what it actually delivers for the average person with a family,there is nothing here I have not seen before, again I was disappointed mainly with it's rear passenger and storage dimensions the ride is nothing to get excited about either. The 20 inch wheels is everything you are reading about a choppy ride is not worth the very slight cosmetic affect.
    I would suggest to anyone that has a few kids and looking for something to move your family in comfort consider test driving a Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna and dare I say it... a Hyundai Entourage. They may not be cool or sexy but they get the job done in a way the new cross overs cannot even come close to.
    You may find a "mom mobile" is what you where really looking for all along from a practical prospective.

    I have no doubts Mazda will sell a lot of CX-9's the buzz created is awesome, kudos to the Mazda marketing team you did an outstanding job the campaign got us into the dealership but we are going to keep looking.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    Good review on "real world" space. I keep hearing that the 20 in wheels give a choppy ride, wondering if this is also due to the quality of the tire itself, not the size of the rims.

    I'm not sure any of these crossovers will be better than a minivan -- even the larger Acadia/Outlook has a third row that is only good for short trips (if adults were to sit back there). For me, however, a crossover is ideal: I have 2 young kids, so they would sit in the 2nd row and the 3rd row would only be used occasionally (i.e. most of the time it would be folded down).
  • unixxusunixxus Member Posts: 97
    The cx-9 is a CUV not a minivan. Compare its space and utility to the Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Outlook or Hyundai Veracruz. Third row seats in any CUV are not designed to accommodate 6 footers in comfort for any length of time. During your test drive did you adjust the second row seat legroom? It slides back forth to give the third row more or less legroom. I have got three kids ages seven, three and one and I believe the CX-9 or the Veracruz will suite us well.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    Good point. The CX-9 is not meant to compete with the Sienna or the Odyssey. It is compared to the Highlander, Pilot, Veracruz, Acadia etc. In comparison to the 7 passenger CUV's, the CX-9 does have more 2nd row leg room, and 3rd row leg room.

    To be honest, it is impossible to have a 7 passenger CUV drive like a sports car. However, Mazda did come as close as you can.
  • balooobalooo Member Posts: 24
    Unixxus,
    I am not stating the CX-9 is a minivan simply the marketing is suggesting it has the attributes of a minivan but in a more "appealing" package.(one can argue that's not true but the marketing connected with me and I took a highly anticipated look)
    More appealing yes from a sheetmetal perspective but not the same attributes of a minivan in a true sense or more practical.
    My guess is there are a lot of people willing to live with the shortcomings of the CX-9 and the other vehicals you mentioned with regard to interior space rather then be caught dead in a minivan.
    If a Highlander or CX-9 etc.works for you great! Buy one.
    The CX-9 is too small for my family and the post is intended for individuals such as myself who currently own a minivan seeking change but wants a comfortable ride, good fuel economy,space,utility and a little style thrown in.
    We use our third row often(friends and relatives) and take frequent long trips.
    I am fully aware of the fact the CX-9 is a different class of vehical from a minivan, however when mention of seating for seven is thrown into to the mix a certain expectation of available space can reasonably be assumed...
    If I could change the name of my post it would be.
    "There ain't a heck of a lot out there"

    Wish me luck in my search.
  • sssfegysssfegy Member Posts: 132
    Most Minivans are 6 seaters, and don't get good gas mileage(including the Entourage), plus they have sloppy handling, poor emergency handling, poor braking,turning radius, styling..advantages: room..same as 15+ passanger vans on a smaller scale.
    If room is highest priority stick w/ the vans, Cuv's are comprimised on space(which you still have), plus a great improvement on all the downsides. Against the other CUV's offered it stands out for what it is.
    "There ain't a heck of a lot out there": refering to space? No offense, but good luck finding a van less than $90K that will give all of the above, the Benz is the only one.
  • balooobalooo Member Posts: 24
    sssfegy,
    Based on you comments about sloppy handling,poor braking etc it is obvious you have not driven any of the minivans I mentioned (especially the Odyssey or Sienna).
    I suggest someone such as myself may want to consider a minivan for space, again my post states when pracitically and lots of rear seating trumps all else.
    all the minivans I mentioned are seven 7-8 passenger vehicals. Name a minivan in production that seats only six?
    As for gas milage that comment is not worth addressing as all mentioned get equal to or better milage than the CX-9.
    Again I an not a car techno guy and braking and cornering stats etc. mean very little to me I don't intend to drive anything I own around orange cones as fast as I can...
    When a vehical it is right for me I know it this is not a fit for me is all I'm saying; if someone identifies with and has similar need as I this post is for that person.

    Thanks for your input.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Name a minivan in production that seats only six?

    Mazda5.

    My Quest only seats 5 but that's because I threw away the middle bench seat. :shades:
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