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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge

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  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    Well said, piast!
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    > You, on the other hand, made a sweeping generalization b/c you perceived everything coming out of Japan is automatically superior than those from other parts of the world.

    Nope, Joe, I've said "Japaneeze made goods are usually high quality." Usually - in English does not mean "always" or "automaticaly superior than those from other parts of the world" - you twist my words.

    I am going to check out SF this weekend. May I ask you, Joe, if you own SF, what model and how much did you pay for it?
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Sorry about the misunderstanding.

    I don't have a SF. I have a great job where I test all kinds of cars for a living!! :)

    Both models I tested was loaded - Santa Fe Limited / Outlander XLS.
  • defreitasmdefreitasm Posts: 152
    My experiance with two back to back Mitsubishis is that they offer a lot of bang for the buck and I was happy with the performance of both vehicles. That said, I was not happy with the fit and finish of their product and also had many warranty repair issues on both vehicles. I had a Montero and then an Eclipse both with enough problems to make me stay away from the brand for awhile. The only good thing is that everything was repaired under warranty, but not without some headaches.
  • xj220xj220 Posts: 78
    From someone who has owned cars from both brands (I've owned a '95 Eclipse GS-T and now own an '03 Elantra GT and an '07 Sonata Ltd), I have to say that both vehicles are quite nice and I don't think you can go wrong going either way. If I had to choose today, then I would pick the Santa Fe. Ask me the same question, and if I were 10 years younger, I'd probably pick the Outlander.

    Why the difference? Well, 10 years ago I was young and was really into how the car handled and performed. I also wanted a look that would catch people's attention. (I did, after all, buy an Eclipse.) And the cool features of the Outlander would certainly be geared toward me back then. But now, I'm a but more mature, more concerned with safety and ride. To be honest, I just don't care about driving like I have a sports car anymore. I'd take ride and peace and quiet over harshness and engine noise. Hence, the Santa Fe would be more suited towards me now. Also, I personally can account for Hyundai's remarkable reliability as of late and wouldn't think twice of buying another Hyundai today.

    I think both are two of the better SUV/CUVs out there for under $30k.
  • xj220xj220 Posts: 78
    Speaking of the factory at Normal, IL...

    I LOVED my Eclipse, but it was built in the POS factory in Normal, IL and literally gave me problems after problems from the start. It had to have been one of the most unreliable cars built in the 90s, if ever. Everything from the battery dying literally every 2 years to the driver's door panel caving in -- on 3 separate occasions! In total, I think I've sent my Eclipse to a mechanic for repairs no fewer than 20 times in the span of 10 years, and I am not exaggerating when I say that. So far, my Elantra of 4 years has had two problems -- 1st with a loose wire and 2nd with water in a headlight (although that may not be Hyundai's fault because that may have been an aftermarket headlight due to an accident...I didn't say anything and they covered it under warranty anyways, hehe). And the Sonata of 6+ months has had zero problems so far.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    LOVED my Eclipse, but it was built in the POS factory in Normal, IL and literally gave me problems after problems from the start. It had to have been one of the most unreliable cars built in the 90s

    Did you have an RS or GS? If so, you had a Chrysler in a Mitsubishi body. They both had the 420A engine built by Chrysler (Neon and Avenger as well). The only GS to get the Mitsubishi 2.4L was the Spyder and 10th Anniversary Edt(1999). The GS-T and GS-X were all Mitsubishi with the 4G63 motor, which is bullet proof (Still used in the current EVO). I had a 1998 GS-T, really great car.

    Most Mitsu's are good cars. I don't think any, besides the Raider, have any Chrysler engineering anymore.

    As for Toyota's built here, their engines and tranny's are still IMPORTED from Japan, that's why they run so long. Many other parts are sourced from here (U.S.). Honda does the same.

    Most of everything from Mazda comes from Japan, except the Mazda6 (still Mazda built), B-Series (rebadged Ranger), Tribute (rebadged Escape).
  • xj220xj220 Posts: 78
    (Sorry to be getting off the subject, but I just wanted to reply to this post.)

    I had a GS-T just like you. Although you must've have the new wheels and high spoiler (I know because my cousin had a '97 GS-T). Nothing wrong with the engine (until 10 years later I had a blown head gasket, which is why I scrapped it) and I never had a problem with the turbo. It's just everything else on it that fell apart. I don't think I've ever met another 2G Eclipse owner, who hasn't had consistent nagging or serious issues with their car. If you're the exception, then more power to you. I personally will never buy a vehicle coming from that plant again, even if Mitsubishi comes up with an AWD I-4 turbo +240hp car for under $25k.
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    Escape is a rebadged Tribute. I think this is a first time you have been corrected ;)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I never said I didn't have any issues! There were a few, wheel bearings, 3 or 4 CEL's, hot spots on the fly wheel, interior upholdstry was not the greatest. Overall, I was pleased with it.

    Most 2G Eclipse owners had the 420A, which was garbage.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I don't know about that! :blush:

    The Tribute is a rebadged Escape, for sure. The platform was the old Mazda 626 platform, but, Ford made the Escape out of it. The Tribute has a Ford interior, Ford everything( buttons and switches), except the Mazda designed MZR 2.3 (4 cyl). Look at the new Tribute, and then the rest of the Mazda line up. It does not fit.

    But still, the Escape and Tribute have over all been decent vehicles.
  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    Just fyi, Tribute beat Escape by 6 months to the market. Both teams started w/European 626 and designed it for their needs. For sure, there soon will be a CX-5 to replace Tribute and slot under CX-7 (just to stay relevant to the subject of the forum)
  • maximafanmaximafan Posts: 592
    Actually, "offense" and "offence" are both correct, as far as the spelling. Okay. I'm finished with the English lessons for now! :shades:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    You are right about that.

    I do not expect the current Tribute to have a long run, however, Mazda needs an AWD SUV under $26,000.

    The current Tribute V6 Grand Touring 4X4 is around $25K, which is a great deal for what you get.
  • defreitasmdefreitasm Posts: 152
    Did you have an RS or GS? If so, you had a Chrysler in a Mitsubishi body. They both had the 420A engine built by Chrysler (Neon and Avenger as well). The only GS to get the Mitsubishi 2.4L was the Spyder and 10th Anniversary Edt(1999). The GS-T and GS-X were all Mitsubishi with the 4G63 motor, which is bullet proof (Still used in the current EVO). I had a 1998 GS-T, really great car.

    Actualy I had a GS and didn't have many problems with the engine except that they replaced the timing chain twice on me while it was in for something else because they heard a noise and this was from two differnt dealers. I had a problem twice with the manual transmission. The shifter would pop out of reverse on it's own. It was fixed once an the problem reoccurred. It was then fixed by another dealers and differnt parts were replaced. The dealer even told me up front that if it happened again, they would get me a new transmission. Manual transmissions are usually "bullet prooof". I had weird electrical problem with the engine idle fluctuating. The interior was put together like crap. The interior door panel warped while it was less than 3 months old. Just not a good product. Neither was my Montero. I had problems with door light switches on bothe cars. The Montero had a lousy cable system that never worked right for the heater controls. I could go on and on.
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    We finally got into a dealership yesterday -- and not because of the new David-Mamet-meets-Aaron-Sorkin-in-an-alley commercials. (Actually, it was the $50 Target rebate offer.) We'd been wanting to tool the thing around anyway.

    Observations, good: Very quiet, except when jumping on the throttle. Absorbs road chunk very well with none of the body roll typical of our 98 Grand Cherokee. Rearward visibility not as compromised as some competitors. Firm and comfortable front seats. Cargo room with usefully wide hatch opening. Sleep-able for two adults with rear seats folded. Rear seat folding electronic switch near the back hatch opening.

    Observations, not-so-good: Jumping on the throttle produces... not much but noise and awkward shifting. A slug, feels and steers heavy. Interior fit and finish -- weird juxtaposition in the SEL trim with leather seating against really cheesy door plastic. Color options. (Better for 2008?)

    With mileage numbers still suspect I'm worried that it will not get close to the 24 mpg listed on the sticker. I know, stickers are gross estimates -- but I've always managed to hit or slightly exceed them with my vehicles.

    As I've posted earlier, if I had to buy today I'd get the Santa Fe while not being wildly enthusiastic about the choices out there. Here's hoping the Jeep will last through the year and good things come in 2008 including the Highlander and Pilot redesigns.

    We still haven't taken a close look at the Veracrus or CX-9 except to note that the hatch on the Mazda appears to be way too narrow for my needs. I doubt I'd upsize the Hyundai as the Santa Fe is sleep-able and has a 48" plus hatch opening. And we don't need a third row seat.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    mazda is working on a Mazda3 based crossover...but I don't know anymore than that....perhaps that would be the replacement for the Tribute.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I have heard that before. Do you know any details?

    Word is, it could be what the concept SUV "Hakaze" might evolve into by 2009
  • chuck68516chuck68516 Posts: 195
    This forum started as Santa Fe vs. Rav4 vs. CX7 vs. Edge. Of THOSE vehicles, the Ford Edge definitely has the er...edge. I test drove them all SEVERAL times in different model/packages. I liked certain aspects of all of them but ultimately decided that for the money the Ford was the way to go. I think they all have their drawbacks but the Ford Edge had fewer in my opinion. Most of the supposed downfalls, like it's weight, are rediculous. Why would you not buy it because it is 500lbs heavier than the Rav4? Drive them!!! If you do you will come to your own conclusion. Just don't go in thinking one is better because it is Japanese. Remember the old taste test commercials where they ask people to blindly pick which one they like better and people are surprised to find out they picked the one they didn't think they liked? Try going in giving them all an equal chance and see where you end up.
  • carlitos92carlitos92 Posts: 458
    Sounds like you definitely did your homework! Each of those vehicles probably has a well-matched owner who thinks their respective choice has the advantage over the others. For me, it was the CX-7, but to each his own, ja? ;)

    But to answer your question, a vehicle 500 pounds more than others of the same size, to me, points to inefficient and un-clever engineering. With all the demand for efficiency these days, one has to ask if and why Ford apparently took the low road with respect to the chassis design. And if they were lazy there, where else were they?

    By the same token, if Mazda couldn't do a gas cap right the first time, what else did they flub? :P
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    I don't care if it's 500 or 50 pounds heavier -- you can feel the porcine characteristics of the Edge when you test drive it. The Santa Fe, Rav-4 and especially the CX-7 are all much more nimble. As you suggest: test drive them all. I have.

    While out of scope of this forum, I'm keen on testing the CX-9 with the same engine as the Ford but getting much better reviews with regard to drivetrain performance by virtue of the Mazda 6-speed transmission. And on the Mazda one assumes they'll include an adult-mode manual selection. A non-trivial feature when driving mountain roads in snow and ice.

    At the end of the day, with last night's news reports of fuel hitting $4/gallon this summer, I'll wait to see what shows up in the showrooms for 2008. The use of our old Grand Cherokee will be greatly curtailed this summer. At least we have options with other vehicles and can leave the SUV when we truly need the U, as in Utility.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    I'm guessing you have the wherewithal to purchase and own more than one vehicle, one a utility and another that gets great gas milage. Yes? That gives you best of both worlds.

    My question: what if you can only afford ONE vehicle? Criteria? It has to be new, it has to have cargo capacity, be able to tow 3,000 lbs, have nimble handling, carry more than 5 adults, achieve decent gas milage, has an luxury interior (leather, NAV, power everything).

    What would you purchase?

    :shades:

    Vince.
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    GMC Acadia or Buick Enclave fit the bill for what you are looking for.
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    "...what if you can only afford ONE vehicle? Criteria? It has to be new, it has to have cargo capacity, be able to tow 3,000 lbs, have nimble handling, carry more than 5 adults, achieve decent gas milage, has an luxury interior (leather, NAV, power everything).

    "What would you purchase?"


    I'd add ground clearance to the criteria checklist.

    It would have to be the Santa Fe though I'd rather have it without the third row seat. There's some nifty hidden storage in the compartment where the seat folds when configured without that option.

    It has the highest cargo capacity in this group. Ties the CX-7 for clearance. Tows 3500lbs. Has a 45"+ wide liftgate (not barn door). Arguabley the best interior -- especially with night driving. Uses regular gas.

    As I've said in past postings, if I had to buy today I'd get the Santa Fe. But there are too many interesting things in the pipeline for 2008-9. As long as I can wait I will.
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    1. Mitsubishi Outlander
    2. Hyundai Santa Fe
    3. Volvo XC90
  • chuck68516chuck68516 Posts: 195
    None of these vehicles (SMALL SUV's) seat MORE THAN 5! Maybe you could get 6 toddlers jammed in there. I am 6'4" tall and weigh 210lbs and that definitely played a factor in my vehicle purchase as it has my whole life. The smaller foreign suv's just don't seem to agree with my stature. The numbers may lie but I didn't feel nearly as comfortable in the Santa Fe, Rav4 or the CX-7 as I did in the Edge. But my overall point is GOOD LUCK GETTING IN THE 3rd ROW OF ANY VEHICLE IN THIS CLASS! My gym bag won't fit back there! I also got the Edge because it doesn't have a 3rd row cargo bin (notice I didn't say seat).
    You have to go up to the CX-9 sized vehicle to get a 3rd row seat someone could actually sit in.
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    I was very comfortable in the Santa Fe and its 3rd row, slightly less in the RAV4.

    By the way, the Santa Fe is no small SUV.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Oh, one more thing to add to criteria...

    Tops in reliability statistics. Generally, American car manufacturers are at the bottom of the barrel. I don't want to have to be in the shop more than on the road. :shades:

    Vince.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    Tops in reliability statistics. Generally, American car manufacturers are at the bottom of the barrel.

    Bulletin - it's not 1985 anymore. The Fusion is more reliable than both the Accord and Camry. No reason to think the Edge will be any worse.
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