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The Corolla DOES get the same, if not a little higher MPG. Why? My thought is that Americans are so petrified of buying a car that *gasp* has below 100 HP that Toyota decided to sacrifice some of the 1.5L's potential in order to get a little more zip out of the motor.
The 1.8L engine is also a much more expensive motor. Minus a camshaft change making it VVT-LI (the "L" part being of Yamaha design and of Corolla XRS/Celica GTS fame), it is essentially the same motor Lotus is putting in that wonderful Elise contraption.
The reason it seems so comparable now is that the Corolla is a SCREAMIN deal (because of it being so old). It's funny how it STILL manages to outsell the "all new" Civic too... Not bad for an almost 5 year old car
But the Yaris is just so much cooler!
T
Never meant to make it sound like I'm not completely thrilled with the car. Even cruising home today I marveled at how much fun it is to drive. It has a lot more character than you'd expect.
I ditto the "it sure doesn't feel cheap" sentiment too.
T
The Sedan he said he wasn't entirely sure of, but mentioned that Toyota usually adopts global standards with things like MICS and that he was pretty sure the Sedan did too.
The other thing to note is the CRITERIA used in both tests could have been different too... who knows. I'll be interested to see the IIHS test when/if they run it. We saw the Tundra on Dateline one again today (he plays it in every meeting haha), and that TV Spot has officially become Toyota scripture .
T
PS: I also asked him about the few people that have reported much lower than expected mileage (like 25). He said that to his knowledge he hadn't heard of any TSB's. They are probably extremely isolated cases, and he gave the old "driving conditions/driver style" statement :P .
Since I drive mine fairly aggressively, A/C blasting, and STILL get 38 or so MPG combined, I somehow doubt many people could burn more gas than me hehe...
I only have 700 miles so far, but I am at 40 mpg, with no highway driving. I do as much coasting as possible with my Yaris Hatchback, 5 speed. I love this car, it is me!
There isn't much markup in a Yaris (I work for Toyota, and I paid MSRP to get one in August ).
If it's the color you want, and the equipment you want, go for it! You won't be dissapointed and you aren't overpaying (unless you consider a few hundred bucks if you were to wait overpaying). Just make sure your "fees" are in line and you will be doing just fine.
The car itself is phenomenal for what it is.
T
...and bore and stroke changes, and pretty much subbing out all the major internals in the block, and....
The 1ZZ-FE is a great engine for its designated mission, but the 2ZZ-FE is a completely different engine in many respects, despite having the same displacement and being used in the same models...
The engine in my Echo is a 1NZ-FE apparently (I was under the hood today)...is that still the designation for the new Yaris?
At the lot tonight, they had a Yaris at $16,1, manual shift, full power package with alloys, plus spoiler, fog lamps etc. No moonroof on that car, and I suppose it would sell for only $500-700 under sticker without a big fight.
Same lot has a stick shift Corolla S with moonroof for around $18K sticker, which would be pretty easy to get at $16K. No ABS of course, but has the 6-speaker stereo, keyless, and moonroof on the flip side.
Still an intriguing comparison, being so close in real-world price.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
You could bore out a Yaris 1.8 (sill the 1NZ btw), supercharge it, etc., but it would still be the same engine (even if you gave it a new code (2NZ?)). It would be faster (as is the Lotus 2ZZ), but it would still share more similarities than differences.
Irregardless, the 1.8 is STILL a much more expensive motor than the 1.5. Doesn't much matter the configuration. I remember someone in one of our Corolla launches back 5 years ago asking about the 1.8 vs. the 1.5 in terms of cost.
While I can't remember the specific dollar amount, it was well over $1000.
The 06/07 Corolla is one heck of a bargain.
It's just not very "new" "hip" "edgy" "cool" "unique" or any of the emotional adjectives people use when they buy a car.
Here's to hoping the new one is, and for the information of those interested, after talking to our rep it looks like early 2008 now for the new Corolla. We will keep getting "new" 2007's until the launch.
We are still treating Yari like Scion. MSRP and NO goofy adds like pinstriping. We continue to sell every one we get within about 72 hours. Would we miss a deal ove $200 or so though? Probably not (with gas at $2.10 hehe)
T
First dealer has an allocated L/B Yaris being delivered in a little over a week. It's got no options beyond floor mats and 50-state emissions. I ask if I can get that same allocated car in a different color with some additional options (ABS, side curtain airbags). He says checks with the desk, comes back and says no problem. Then he adds a few numbers together and says here's your out-the-door price.
I'm excited because it's the exact Yaris I want, and it'll be here in 10 days. Price is a little high.
So I head over to another dealership on my way home, mostly to see if they'll beat that price. This second guy tells me categorically that Toyota does not manufacture Yarii with options I want. I ask why the options would even be advertised, and he says perhaps in a few more months those options will be available, but not presently.
I did everything but flat-out tell guy #2 he's full of crap, but he stuck with his story.
So I want to know what you think. Is Dealer #1 being straight that they can call up Toyota's plant, have the car assembled with way more stuff, painted differently, and get it to California in 10 days? I already think #2 is full of...well...#2, but do you agree?
I thought it was never going to get here. Polar white, convenience package, cold weather package, ABS, side airbags. Exactly the way I ordered it. Somewhere along the way a $150 set of mats were added, but the dealer was willing to pull them as I did not order them and had specifically notified them that I did not want any add ons.
I was really concerned that, due to the practice of "preferencing," they did not actually "order" my car. But, lo and behold, they did. It was ordered on 7/20 and arrived on the lot 10/24. I picked it up today with 5 miles on the odometer.
As I ordered it back in July there were no "deals" offered. I paid MSRP, plus all the related fees in full. The dealer did, however, agree to provide me a "loaner" vehicle as I had mentioned up front that I needed a car ASAP as both of my current vehicles were becoming unreliable. Once they received word that the car was "in port" they provided the loaner which I had for about 10 days.
The only negative in the experience was communications. There were promises to let me know as soon as certain "statuses" were provided, but I never received a single phone call through the first 10 weeks of waiting. The few times I called the dealer (trying to be a good customer and not bug them every week) they had no news--other than Toyota had "accepted" my order.
As I was beginning to wonder whether the car was going to get here before the weather got bad (or at all), I had resigned myself to having to find a different car. So, I wrote the customer service manager a letter and told them to just cancel the order if no one could tell me anything or at least touch base with me once in a while. Though the customer service manager never acknowledged my letter, I received a call from the salesperson a couple days later apologizing for not communicating and informing me that they now had a "in port" status and a date range for delivery if I still wanted the car. The rest is history.
I wasn't trying to be unreasonable about communications. It's just that in my circumstances I couldn't just hang out there and wait to see whether I would ever get a car. You would think that in this age of robots, computers, and the internet the "mother ship" would be able to reliably communicate statuses to the dealers, but apparently not. One of the milestones in the process was supposed to be notification of a "temporary serial number." The dealer says that Toyota never communicated it. They said the only communications they received were order confirmation and notification that "it's in port and will be on the lot within the next week."
It was a long wait, but it was worth it. We love the car. It's a ball to drive and, if I say so myself, pretty easy on the eyes! :shades:
1. Is the dealer prep fee ($399 here in Denver area) negotiable? (They both said no, but I certainly never paid it in 1991.) Is there no room for negotiating just because the yaris is so popular and/or comparatively low priced (not a big profit margin for dealer.)?
2. The L/Bs in this area arrive only bundled option packages.
Either convenience/cold weather /mats/arm rest for $1019
or
Power package/side airbags/ABS/cold weather/mats/armrest for $2659!
Is it possible to order only power package? I'm willing to wait.
3. What do you all think about ABS? Can I do without?
4. One last question---on a basic L/B, how does the rear seat fold down (if it's not 60/40)-is it 50/50 or does whole back seat fold down in one piece? And do I care if it's not the "flat fold down" available in option package?
Thanks for your help. Sorry this is sooooo long.
As for ABS, I am aiming to have it on my next car, but it won't be a deal-breaker. Yes, you can do without. Again, this comes down to personal preference. Are you the type to have lots of insurance for every aspect of your life? If so, then you should get the ABS.
As for this:
" Power package/side airbags/ABS/cold weather/mats/armrest for $2659!"
I am so jealous! Would that California were getting L/Bs this well-equipped. We still only get them totally stripped or with the convenience package.
As far as ordering, check the main thread Yaris thread, recently retitled "Is it a good value?". Toyota orders are difficult, dealers are very reluctant, and many will try to mislead you. But look at robertkn - he is proof positive that it can be done if you do all your homework and are very patient.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
And now, all you happy L/B Yaris owners, I'm interested in some more opinions:
If I go for the loaded L/B, it will cost $15,100 plus tax. So, why should I buy a Yaris and not the Corolla, Fit or Scion Xa etc. (Of course, I have my heart set on a small car, and really want a L/B, but I'm feeling a little guilty---want a small car so that I can "live simply" blahblahblah--and would be slightly embarrassed to have it "loaded". )
Talk me into it.... wait, maybe I've already done that....hmmm.
*It's not a 1st year model
*It's bigger(really?)
*It's more powerful(not much)
*It's more comfortable(opinion)
*It's rated mpg's are the same or better(depending on driving habits)
There are more of these "opinions", and don't forget that my post is also "opinion". All that matters to me is that I liked the look of the Yaris the first time I saw it and that the size and room work for me and my family. My opinion is that it is far better looking than the current(tired)corolla and it felt just like better buy for me personally. People love to bash each other on here in effort to feel better about the choices they personally made regarding car purchasing. It just so happens at time I was making my deal and the only Corolla within my 15,000 or lower range was a CE with no power, I felt I would regret not having power after a while (since I plan on keeping the Yaris for many, many years). I also I had a difficult situation with a trade and the dealer I was at was giving the best price I's been offered, so at the time I made the best deal for me.
3 weeks later I'm seeing a bunch of ADs for Corolla LE's for 14988, well too bad they weren't doing that when I was there and I can't turn back time.
Anyhow, re trades--you mentioned a "difficult situation with a trade"--and I have a question. My current car is a 91 Corolla LE-- and I was assuming that I would do better to sell it privately than to attempt a trade-in. Whaddya think?
PS For the sake of the site (you know, to keep it interesting), I hope somebody "fires back at you" in reaction to your #373...
Oh yeah, and you ALWAYS get more selling privately than trading in. OTOH, a 15 year old Corolla isn"t going to be worth much either way, and selling privately is always a hassle. You decide how much it is worth to you. Is the time saved by trading in worth $500? $1000? I am sure the difference won't be more than that on a car this old.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Yarii look like a more expensive car and have more style(this counts only i you care about it). Theage of your car and maybe high mileage may warrant craigs list, but you never know....I had a 2006 honda crv...that's another story...I say go for the Yaris...you'll get staring at it longer than a corolla..and btw....it's bigger than the Echo it replaced ...sooooo close in size to corolla now!
As far as the 14.9 LE, the sweet deals always hit the papers the week after I go..never fails, but I don't think I'd be s happy with a corolla....and anyway I already have a 2006 Volvo S40 for my "bigger" sedan. Good Luck!
I would definitely sell the corolla privately. I sold my mom's car for her via craigslist.org and it was gone in less than a week. It was a 98 Corolla CE (base model but mint condition and low mileage) and we got 5500.00 for it. They would have only given us like 3000.00 at the dealer's, if I'm remembering correctly... I'm waiting for my Yaris l/f stick shift with power pkg... supposed to be in, in ... January!! EEK, I hate waiting.
For the record we put 140,000 miles on our 1992 Camry, 103,000 miles on our 2000 Tundra, (no problems and excellent resale) and still have 60,000 miles on our 2003 Highlander. This will be 5th car purchased from this dealer. We will be putting a tow bar on the front next spring to tow it behind our motorhome.
By the way we are paying full sticker , and we are glad there was no premium added to that price.
The salesman had also told me I probably would not find the LB I wanted (5 speed manual loaded) since most 5 speeds come without options.
I sold my truck at 5:00pm yesterday, and had the car deal concluded less than 2 hours later. We are only waiting now for the exchange and delivery. I have located a front tow bar mount and the dealer has priced installation. If all goes well we should be in good shape. I have also located a cruise control for later installation.
Good luck in your search.
What is correct?
Has anyone gotten 2 keys with their remote entry Yaris (Sedan or LB)?
The salesman is contacting the district rep, but I would like to know what your experience has been.
Thanks
Thanks,
Good luck,
Jim
I sold my old car already, so transportation may be a little tricky in the meantime!
That stinks about your current transportation, I guess I can't complain b/c even though I fear my vw having another issue with it, knock on wood, it's been the best since I did the trade agreement etc.! I think it knows. ;-)
I went to Fowler Toyota in Norman, OK because the service department was so nice last year when one of my kindergarteners "walked off" with my keys on a Friday afternoon. But they are not a good place to go if you want to purchase a new car apparently. I have been getting the runaround even when my boyfriend comes with me. I have visited numerous times, emailed the internet department exactly what I wanted, but whenever I check back, they act like they have never seen me before! I think it's because the salespeople don't make much money on the Yaris. I would think that selling a car would be better than not selling a car, but I guess Fowler doesn't think that!
On a good note, I did order mine in OKC and put down a deposit. Hopefully I will have it by January.
I think you're right. You know a special order requires extra writing and typing--and maybe even a few extra phone calls. Real tough work. Carpel tunnel is the silent killer, you know.
That's great that you found someone to provide you some service. I hope your car comes even sooner than expected!
For all those waiting on their Yaris or still trying to decide, I have this comment. This car is a blast(!) to drive and has plenty of room, nicely appointed, etc. Yeah, Toyota could do a little more but overall, for the price, they've hit a home run. Haven't loved a new car this much since my '92 Saturn SC.
BTW--I have a liftback, meteorite metallic, with power package, automatic, remote entry, fogs, Enkei alloy wheels, 60/40 split rear seat which I keep in the down/flat position. Looking for a mat to cover the whole rear area, anybody know where I can find one?
I too would like to find a mat like that, since I plan on carting my dogs around in the back.
Next posting of mine will probably in the 'real world mpg' thread. I have yet to go through my first tank; still two bars showing and I've got about 320 miles on it. Before long, the gas station is going to be a real stranger to me!
Baseline Yaris HB with a manual transmission (filtered AC is standard, yay!).
Invoice: $10386 Destination charge: $620.00
Total: $11,006
MSRP: $11,050 DC: $620
Total: $11,670
Dealer cost (NOT including rebates or incentives that the corporation, not the dealer pays for)
10,386 - ($233.40 holdback) = $10,152.60 DC:$620
Base 'cost': $10,772.60
So far I have had 3 offers over MSRP, one offer below MSRP. My target is 3% over dealer cost plus sales tax for out the door price.
I'll keep you folks posted on what I finally get one for.
i for one don't believe that dealers make a measly few hundred bucks on a $10000.00 car. even refrigerator and furniture companies are in business to do better than that!
people: lets all work at not caving into msrp!