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Audi, Porsche-Vw
Isuzu, Suzuki and almost Daewoo-GM
Mitsubishi-Daimler/Chrysler
12 out of 18 ain't bad and reading the link Fiat seems to be the only one left.
please advise about invoice pricing..is it possible to buy this land rover at invoice which is 31,700 or very close..dealers say they have one point pricing..i hardly can believe that to be true in this economy..i am looking at the SD by the way, and will add some grills and running boards, so can one buy this at invoice or close if you shop hard...thanks for sharing your buying advice and experiences..it is a big help..
Some may remember me from ages ago when I first became interested in LR products. I remember the wealth of knowledge set forth by nanuq and rickrover quite well.
My everyday car is a nice Mazda Protegé5 but we are looking into a second vehicle. Our #2 car was a decent old Volvo 240 wagon for a while but that's now gone. I'd like to get a truck or SUV of some sort to replace it. Budget is up in the air right now, but I've been looking at used Rangies, Discos, Big Broncos and TLC's a lot. It needs to tow at least 3k lbs., carry adults, drive well on-road and off, and be reliable and fixable.
I'm very interested in old Series Rovers and hope to own one someday. My fabulous wife, knowing this, got me a wonderful Christmas/Birthday present this year... a gift certificate to the Land Rover Off-Road Center in Manchester, VT! It is a 90 acre facility at the Mount Equinox hotel and will be getting a 1 hour off-road driving lesson and a 2-hour trail ride in one of their LR's. YIPPEE! I'm waiting until March or April to do it.
My wife followed up this gift with this conversation...
Her: "You know how we want a truck for a 2nd car?"
Me: "Yeah."
Her: "Well why don't we get a used Land Rover?"
Oh what wonderful words these are to hear! :-)
I'm a member of the "simpler is better" school and have been looking at Classic RR's and '96-'97 Discos. I understand that the early Disco was just a Classic RR in new cloths right? Am I correct in assuming that just about any good mechanic could work on the engine since it's an age-old Buick design?
So what do you guys think? Can I get a decent Disco for around $12k? Can it be fixed by a good independant mechanic or myself reasonably cheaply? I have heard horror stories about $1200 services every15k miles... that can't be true can it?
I'm prepared for weaping fluids and spastic electricals as long as it starts and goes when I need it too. I'd even be willing to retrofit manual roll-up windows and remove the ABS! Simpler!
My rambling has gone on long enough so let's discuss. I notice that most of the discusion here is about new Discos, but surely I can get more info on older ones.
Thanks again!
http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html
I'd go with a non-synthetic for the first couple of changes, and do them at 500 and 1500 miles, then I'd go to synthetic and use it religiously. Good synthetics are Mobil-1, Castrol, Redline and Amsoil. I'm sure there are others.
You can find lots of good information about oil filter comparisons on the web, I've read lots of it and there are a few filters I've settled on: WIX 51515 (the replacement for the Fram PH8A long body), Purolator Premium, and Napa Gold.
Consider establishing a regular maintenance schedule for your Rover so you replace ALL FLUIDS annually. Yes, all. Brake, steering, swivels, diffs, transfer case, auto trans and engine. Do the engine oil AT LEAST every 3000 miles.
You'll be on a first-name basis with your oil recycling man, but... oil is cheaper than metal in every case.
-Bob
This is not to scare anyone away from Land Rover, as I believe that if you are willing to give up "four wheel drive money" then Land Rover is an appropriate place to start looking for a vehicle.
After cancelling the order we had originally placed for an SE, we headed over to Land Rover Woodbridge, NJ. where we ran into Mr. William Pardun, sales agent. We can not find the words to praise Mr. Pardun. Our experience and subsequent purchase of a Kalahari has been nothing but a joy and a pleasure. Could this perhaps be the elusive "Land Rover Way" that I have been seeking out for the better part of 2001? Kudos Mr. Pardun. A1 job, well done!!!
We love our Kalahari are anxious to share a few photos of our baby with the Edmunds family. (see link below)
Those of you who were expecting the Kalahari to arrive as depicted at the 2001 auto show might be a little disappointed. Land Rover decided no luggage rack. Land Rover decided no black stripe on the side. Land Rover basically took a lot of stuff off the vehicle and decided to offer those items as options instead. Heck, all I wanted from day one was a yellow Discovery and this is exactly what I got. The black Duragrain seats are tough and luxurious. The "Dolly Parton" drink holders will be on E-Bay as soon as my new console arrives. The last photo depicts the special grill which was in place for the Kalahari edition. It is a heavy wire screen reminicent of old Rovers. The only problem we have had so far with the vehicle is an annoying distortion on the drivers side mirror. Other than that we love her and think she is great. When I parked her today she had 101 miles on her.
Thanks to everyone, especially Tincup, who have helped us with our questions and queries on this thread. Any specific Kalahari questions that might be directed towards me, I will be more than happy to answer.
Well for better or worse we are now a part of the Land Rover family. We will be keeping everyone posted as to how good or badly she behaves.
Regards to all,
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Thanks for all the kind words. The above web page will get you to the only information that I know of relating to the Kalahari. A few phone calls to your local Land Rover dealer should locate ond of these beauties for your purchase consideration. I am not sure if the black stripe can be ordered but I am sure the roof rack is available.
I neglected to put a picture of the interior but I guarantee you if you love the outside, you will love the interior too. Black seats and console really something you will be proud to own. Make an effort to see this Kalahari in person.
Regards,
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Regards, -Bob
Yellow
Orange
Grey
Do you know if there are any big differences between a '00 / '01 & '02 Discovery ll's ?
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The guy who is setting this up asked us to pass this information along. So any of you in the DC area, we would love to see you on Saturday.
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Hey guys, here's the story for the Rover get together this weekend. We'll meet at Belle Haven Marina in Alexandria, VA at 10:00 a.m. this Saturday, the 26th of Jan. I'll provide the krispy kremes. Directions are available online at www.saildc.com (click on the directions button). Restrooms are available, although we'll be outside so dress warm.
Give me a shout or drop me an e-mail if you have any problems. Hope to see you guys this weekend and please spread the word to other rover owners!!!! I'm also going to post a message on the Roversnorth BBS.
Cheers,
Dave
"Guinnevere" 91 RR
David J. Wacht
roverdude@hotmail.com
Enjoy! I'll go blast a snowberm in your mutual honor!
Cheers, -Bob
This information is located on a particular website which list various businesses that have gone, or may go under. Due to Edmunds.com terms of service, and profanity in the website address I am unable to list the website address here.
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This seems terribly unlikely since Ford owns LR completely. More then likely it is just the frame company trying to bully some dough out of Ford since the next Discovery uses an Explorer platform and this company will lose a lot of money when that happens.
Don't sweat it. :-)
There you will find the news.
Can anyone tell me the best way to get a good deal, and what is considered a good deal on a Discovery II
I've been reading this bb since before I got my truck a few months ago and decided it was finally time to to contribute the little bit I've learned so far. In my experience, you CAN get a reduction in the invoice price when shopping for a Land Rover, but it takes some doing. I researched and decided pretty much what I wanted (I was buying new, so this might not be valuable for a used truck purchase), test driving trucks at several dealerships (comparing makes), to include two Rover dealerships. Then I contacted Autobytel for a Rover quote. I live in the Mid-Atlantic region, and the nearest Autobytel dealership was in NJ. The quote was not bad, about $2500.00 off the invoice price if I remember correctly, but I still contacted three other Land Rover dealerships, one in MD, one in VA and the last in PA. I was willing to travel. I asked each dealer about new and I asked about executive trucks and loaner fleets vehicles. I opted for new. I told them what the other guys were offering and compared price, among other things.
One dealership where I'd actually gone had left me with a VERY bad impression both on the phone and in person (2 different sales guides). I later found out they out and out lied to me about buying out of state, too. Scare tactics that didn't result in a sale to them, dorks! The PA dealership was terrific, but couldn't do better than the NJ group. The Va dealership was very responsive and not only sweetened the pot more (they easily matched the Autobytel price and then they made another mistake in quote, but later stood by it, to their credit!) but I would be set up with a free loaner Disco for life when I had to drop mine off for servicing. Had I bought from NJ I'd have lost that option, unless I wanted to go to Jersey for servicing. Personally, I think the loaner program should apply regardless of where you buy, but I was told by several dealerships that it was common practice to only allow that benefit to those who had purchased from each specific dealership. Yes, I understand each dealer has his own service fleet to maintain, etc., but it would be nice if system wide we knew we could count on getting a nice loaner.
So, the invoice on my 2001 Disco SE was in the neighborhood of $42,000.00, and I paid a little under $36,000.00. Oh, and they threw in genuine LR rubber floor mats, front and back, too, just because I asked (O.K. I squeezed a bit harder, LOL!). All this was pre-9/11, by about a month, so I don't know what the climate is now. We all know everyone made money, I was happy and I have a good relationship with the dealership. Maybe this will help someone a little bit as I see questions here from time to time about negotiating your deal.
Seahorse
Welcome aboard and we're glad you finally decided to come out of the shadows!
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"Platform" just means that the basic chassis is the same. Remember, the pedestiran VW Golf shares it's platform with the excellent Audi TT. :-)
I guess it all boils down to the "focus" customer. I personally see no reason to lengthen the DI into the current DII dimensions. But many people are voting with their pocketbooks.
I know the current Discovery chassis is a stout item, as it must be for the offroad demands placed upon it. It's also a solid place to mount those solid axles and leading/trailing arms. It also transmits a lot of road/suspension noise. Sooooo what is the target demographic for the next-gen Rovers?
Opinions?
Oh, well I am finally getting to know my service man at Land Rover.
1. New radio
2. Wind noise-door adjustment
3. Loose and missing windshield moulding tabs
4. Cruise control surging-EMS software upgrade
5. Soft brake pedal
6. Two recall items- thermostat housing and transmission breather hose replacement
At least I get a free carwash, cup of coffee and USA Today newspaper in the deal. My wife is very impressed with the dealership.
Tincup, the power bleed didn't work. A new master cylinder is coming FedEx and I hope that I will be getting back my rig today.
Also since the vehicles I have looked at came from the first production run of the new model, are there any particular bugs I should be aware of? Secondly, are the extended warranty packages available for purchase the same at every land rover dealer?
ANC 1/25/2002 - Lord Lucas last spotted in Alaska.
Driver came off the freeway after an "energetic" drive (grin) and stopped to fill up. Upon pulling out onto the road again the Discovery no longer ran like a scalded cat... more like a mildly irritated chameleon. Three tanks of gas later and 6 cans of "Heet" she runs better but still not like the alleged cat; now almost as well as a lazy overfed feline with a sore paw. And, that gloriously yellow CHECK ENGINE light glows cheerily.
Is it only bad fuel? A cracked plug? A shattered catalyst? Time... and the OBDII laptop will tell.
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Personally, I like the size of the DII. It has the extra room I use to take the kid, dog and all the necessary gear on road trips. I don't think the ride is too truck like or really very different than the explorer. The noise is really no different either. If you want that mushy boat like ride and quiet of a luxury car go buy a cadillac.
When you buy a high profile 4wd vehicle you should expect and want it to act like one (my opinion). I feel confident with the brakes, low c.g. and the full time 4wd especially on the couple days a year it rains in CA.
I am not a hard core off-roader but am looking forward to a dealer event in a couple weeks as well as to getting to out of the way camping spots, to the snow, or on the beach occasionally.
I was drawn to the DII for what it is. Judging by the number of Disco's I see in my area others must agree with me. If Ford wants to sell the Disco in quantities like the Explorer then they will change it but if, for the most part, they leave it alone it will be successful. Keep the British Character and especially the dealer service as is. After 6 months and 11,000 miles I do know the service guys but they do take care of you.