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I don't think it is the oil pan or engine mount, since high octane wouldn't fix this. If you have a chance, try 89 - 93 octane gas and see if that fixes the knock for you, and report back. My guess is that the refineries have changed something relative to the refining process, and the resulting slightly lower octane is enough that the 07 TCH does not compensate for it and the car experiences precombustion ping. With the improved mileage, the high octane is actually more cost effective for me, so I'm not inclined to give the dealership a couple hundred dollars to look at it (and try to sell me some other service that I'm pretty sure the car does not neet).
Appreciate your feedback.
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achieves this rating. use it for comparison purposes only. In the real world there are many factors that affect mileage. Stop and go driving, hilly country, cold weather, windy conditions, speed, etc. You are getting excellent mileage for a new car.
Anyone got any ideas?
I guess to me, 37.5 MPG is excellent for a full size sedan with the quality of ride that the Camry delivers. Most people would be envious of MPGs in that range, on an average. Yes the Prius delivers more MPG, and of course the all-electric stuff goes to the next level, but the Prius has a rough ride and loud cabin noise, and the all-electric models have charging and cost problems. So in this category, 37.5 seems hardly disappointing to me.
2012 camry hybrid.....it will take some time to figure out truth about mpg.....
since look at 2012 prius v (new one) same problem people have....33-37.0mpg ....which is huge problem some people have (look at priuschat.com) and i have been not active in forum but reading edmunds and prius chat....few times a week....so far regular prius has solid history which can be small for some people.....
2012 prius v ....cost wise 4000-5000 more for same prius engine.....with 6 inch longer....do u think it can carry load? i doubt it.....it will take some time for truth to come out ....so i never preffer to buy new model for one yr.....
2012 camry hybrid......cost reduce but still high.....camry always has trouble with hybrid verson in past ...so wait until real story on mpg come out....
recently motor trend(look prius chat...toyota camry section) did three vehicle compare,,hybrid sonata..2012 camry hybrid,jetta tdi,,,,,camry came with 300miles with 36-37mpg....which is almost same as regular camry...so why buy hybrid....
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If you're talking close to 100% highway driving,then the hybrid is probably pointless as the biggest improvement for hybrids is in the city.
Touting highway mpg on a regular camry as being comparable is a bit pointless for anyone that does mainly city driving.
I have to say, the EV Mode really works as well! I've been able to coast along in slow traffic for at least 1.2 - 2 miles at a time; and, the battery reaches full charge quickly if you let the regenerative brakes do their job and glide to a stop when possible.
Considering I am achieving this sort of mileage during the break in period, I can't wait to see what I can achieve later!
I really love the quality and value built into this car. The ride quality is excellent and the Navigation and Audio System is beyond superb!
Great Car!
The new 2012 Camry Hybrid should achieve a little more since Toyota shed some of the weight to improve gas mileage on the Hybrid. However, I still doubt the lighter Camry Hybrid will go above 40mpg after break-in period.
BTW, Camry is considered mid-size (as opposed to large-size by someone's earlier post).
However, the point is that it is "doable" even in the older TCH model if you're willing to make the appropriate changes to your driving habits. Have to admit, it was funny to watch everyone pass me on the way to a red light this morning while I didn't have to slow my momentum down and got to the light right as it turned green. Its small changes like that that squeeze a few extra MPGs out of a gas tank.
Good point, and one thing I enjoy also. After 7.5 years now driving my hybrids, I have learned to "scout ahead" and see what a light might be doing by the time I get there and adjust to it.
TOO MANY PEOPLE just *ZOOM* from traffic signal to traffic signal, burning (wasting) precious gas for the benefit of sitting through another light.
It's. Stoopid.
I have averaged about 34 MPG over the 5.5 years I have owned my 2007 TCH. Not hugely great, but better than a similarly-sized non-hybrid would get.
By my calculations, I got 41 mpg on the way down (including the local mileage there) and 40 mpg on the way back. I used 70 gal of gas for 2885 miles. The trip computer in the car provided numbers between 35.7 and 39.2 for various segments of the trip.
I'm more than happy with this result but it seems almost too good based on what most other people have reported. The mileage is accurate and I'm pretty sure that we recorded the fill-ups accurately.
In my 2007 TCH, I have figured out I have about 3 gallons left in the 17 gallon tank when the computer shows "Cruising Range 0"
With that in mind, when I see that message, I immediately take what the computer shows as the "MPG this tank" and subtract 2 miles per gallon from it, then multiply that times 17.
That will give me the total amount of estimated "REAL total miles driven" I can get in this tank.
This system works great. I usually drive until there is more than 15 gallons used up before refilling the tank.
Example:
1. system shows Cruising Range 0.
2. MPG on the car computer shows 34.8 MPG.
3. I subtract 2 MPG from that, leaving me 32.8 MPG.
4. I multiply 32.8 by 17 and get 557.6
5. My "miles driven so far this tank" on the car computer shows 459.6.
6. I subtract 459.6 from 557.6 and get 98 miles.
7. Therefore, I know I need to fill up sometime in the next 98 miles, OR, before the "miles driven so far this tank" gets to 557.6.
Try this and see if it works for you. I'd bet a dozen doughnuts it will !! :shades:
1. My 2007 TCH has 92K miles, and I have averaged about 34 MPG over that time, with about an 85% City/15% Hwy mix living in Phoenix. So at least 7 months of the year I have the A/C running, which creates a drag on mileage. so your 35 MPG is not unreasonable.
2. Short trips are tough on MPG in all cars, but are more noticeable when you have a car with which you are studying the mileage. Are many of your trips short? That will kill the mileage, because the hybrid system is at it's best efficiency when the engine is fully warmed up.
3. My personal recommendation is to inflate your tires to 40 PSI. I think the manual says 32 PSI, but you'll gain a little mileage boost by keeping them inflated a little higher. If you do regular tire maintenance (rotating tires every other oil change, checking the PSI once a month, etc) you won't lose any tire life by inflating them up a little bit.
4. Read up on an accelerator technique called "feathering." It can give you a 1-2 MPG per tank boost if done often and correctly.
5. Don't carry any extra weight in your car. Every pound will draw-down additional MPG. Only carry what you absolutely need.
6. All the standard MPG tips apply - no "jackrabbit" starts, don't accelerate quickly from red light to red light, try to watch ahead a few blocks and regulate your speed when you know you are going to hit a red light or a green light up ahead, etc.
To get the full MPG benefit of your hybrid, you'll have to be a more conscientious driver, and pay attention to some little details.
Good luck and let us know how it goes !!
Happy Hybriding !!! :shades:
I am on my first tank of gas and (2012 TCH LE) in hilly Seattle with winter conditions, winter gas (lower fuel energy value), an engine not yet broken, lots of short trips (<13 miles), mainly city driving, running in ECO mode I have averaged 38 mpg on the first 1/2 of the tank of gas. I have noticed as others have noted that the first warmup miles (lets say 3 miles), the mpg is much lower. Than if I keep driving the mpg goes up from about 25 for the trip ending at 38 average. I have tried some trips where I first warmed up the engine, restarted the car to start a new trip and have then gotten as high as 48-51 mpg city in ECO mode. So I am so far very optimistic that once the engine is broken in, summer fuel blend is available and I try driving a longer trip I will definitely get the kind of mpg the EPA ratings state or better. My previous car was a 2008 Acura TL Type S with 286 hp (17/26 EPA MPG, 92 octane only). So far I am loving waving at the gas stations as I drive by and figure I am cutting my fuel costs in 1/2. My TL got 20 mpg commuting (17 if I used the heated seats and auto climate control). So I am pumped about getting around 40 mpg and using 87 octane instead of 92.
Slowing down can't in general this can't be done on highway and city travel but even then you could be spending about 1/3 less at the pump with a hybrid.
Yeah, so any tips would be nice. But I guess for now, I will try to hypermile it by following big rigs and hyperinflate my tires a bit. Hope this works!!
Let me try to allay some of your fears.
First off, it's not a "sham" in ANY way. EPA mileage is an estimate - some people get more, some people get less - but NOTHING is guaranteed in life, including that an owner will *ALWAYS* achieve or surpass the EPA *ESTIMATED MPG*.
My lifetime mileage in my 2007 TCH is right around 34 MPG, so your results are not out of line at all.
Some people get better mpg, some get less.
Highway MPG for me personally is better than city. I have gotten as high as 44.88 MPG for a full highway tank to as low as 26.55 for a full highway tank.
EV mode works best at lower speeds, when the battery is full.
Learn how to "feather" the accelerator. Google it and all the instructions are there.
I have safely run my tires at 40 PSI without undue wear.
Your mileage may or may not improve over 33-35 MPG. But you still have the only Camry which can consistently achieve that figure.
I've noticed that my TCH doesnt turn off the engine and switch to Electric mode fast even if the engine temperature is high, the only way to force the car to switch to electic is by stopping on the side for 3~5 seconds, then engine shuts down and I can drive on EV mode. Any idea what is causign this?
1) I keep the display on mileage per tank and am always trying to drive to increase my mileage. It's actual a fun game.
2) On city/country roads I accelerate normally to just above the speed limit then let off the accelerator and let the MPG guage drop into E mode and try to nurse it as long as possible.
3) I drive the speed limit on highways typically a posted 70. This can take some patience especially if you have a heavy foot.
4) I always use cruise control on the highway AND where possible on city/country roads. If I use the pedal and am not focused on my gauges find my "heavy foot" hurting my mileage.
I hope this helps.
My biggest complaint is that you need a key to open the trunk. I think it should be unlocked if the car is unlocked. My kids are constantly throwing sports gear in the trunk and i have to remember to pull the release. But that shows how impressed I am with this car that the trunk release stands out. So far really pleased with my first Toyota.
After purchase I reset the calculator filled the tank, loaded the car and set out to northern Utah. As this is a mountainous uphill trek I decided to make it as horrible as possible. I just used the cruise control with no attempt at maximizing mileage. Now I did not keep the speed the same for the whole trip as I was trying to vary the speeds during the break-in period but we were cruising between 65 and 85 for the entire trip. At the end of the trip the cars computer read 33.8 mpg. However when I filled the car at the pump the math said I had averaged slightly over 40mpg. After 4 days in Northern Utah we were on our way back to Vegas. we have owned the car for about 10 days and have 1100+ miles on the car. We live in the Southern end of town and so have to drive uphill for the last 8 miles to our home, but the car's computer says we are averaging 42mpg and the math at fillup says 45.
I have noticed that if I drive "without" the cruise control on I consistently get better mileage... I guess I have learned some "habits" with the gas pedal driving the Prius all these years that translate well to the Camry. However, for our semi-weekly trips to northern Utah I simply set the cruise control and let the computer do the work... just plain lazy I guess!
As we tend to put about 55,000 miles on a car in 23 months I will learn more about the car as the months go by. So far we are quite happy and figure the car will cost about $300 more per year in fuel than the Prius.
You would have noticed a gradual reduction in battery charge capability. They don't just one day stop working.
If I'm wrong and this is a true story and not just a troll, you can certainly get help with this.
Toyota WILL help you to keep you a customer.
Google how to use an "E-Mail Carpet Bomb" and target Toyota brass with this.
Your circumstance is highly unusual and highly unlikely.