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2007 Honda CR-V
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Are you sure that wasn't the floor mats? They snap together, if they are like the Gen 2 mats.
From what I could see, the CRV and the Outback have similar cargo volume, however the Outback's is longer front to back, but not as tall. The downside is tighter back seat space in the Outback -- something I wish Subaru would improve on. The distribution of space in the CR-V is much better overall.
Is it a good price?
It does have a "tunnel vision" effect.
Also the vehicle is a little smaller than I was expecting.
And the areas in the back that support the cover thingy waste much room if you don't intend on using that.
In comparison to the RAV4 I think the CRV interior looks better in terms of quality of materials. Also the back seat is a little cushier than the RAV4, but still not high enough for my liking. The center tray for the LX wasn't as bad as the pictures suggest.
With the addition of stability control on all CR-V models, the safety of the CR-V has been improved significantly. Stability control will help keep you pointed in the proper direction and can assist with getting you stopped.
Traction control, which is part of stability control, can help get you moving in the slick stuff. It makes the two front tires more effective in getting you moving from a standstill.
That said, AWD is the best for getting you moving from a stop. It is also more effective at pushing you through deep snow.
If you've got a job where you "gotta get out in the snow", then AWD is worth it. If you can call in and tell the boss, "I'll work from home." Don't bother with it.
A nice alternative would be to buy a set of good winter tires. These can make all the difference. However, you'll need to have these removed in the Spring, then remounted on the car when the winter weather returns.
Most of that extra $1800, if you can afford it, will come back to you at resale/trade time. The rest is insurance.
2006 CR-V SE 4WD 5AT (MSRP) = $25450
2007 CR-V 4WD EX-L (MSRP) = $26000
Price difference = $550
2006 CR-V SE 4WD 5AT (Invoice) = $23,510
2007 CR-V 4WD EX-L (Invoice) = $23,510 + $550 = $24060
It can't be too far off. And there is nothing you can do with this for a month or two until the hype wears off.
My motto: I absolutely refuse to pay MSRP!
It is interesting reading the different opinions here.
No car will please everybody, that's for sure!
A 2WD CRV can be a very hard car to sell in a northern climate. Very few people want one!
Only two concerns really. The sticker was asking for MSRP + destination + $1995 "market adjustment". The dealer was a Costco partner so I asked for their no haggle price. They lowered it to MSRP + destination, which isn't wonderful but was a $1995 cheaper. :sick:
Second concern was mileage. The car had only driven 34 miles so it was a very small sample, but the mileage calculator was reporting 17.5 mpg. Not exactly close the the EPA numbers.
For now I'm going to give it at least to the Spring to see if it drops in price.
Overall, the '07 seems more minivanish and girled up. To my eye, the nose's Kaiser-Fraser look doesn't get better in person. The sculpting on the sides and rear seemed like embellishments. Didn't like the D-pillar treatment. The interior also looked embellished, but I didn't see any particular functional improvement, it's just a little purtier. The new vehicle seemed smaller than mine, particularly in black.
That said, Saabgirl, my missus, pronounced the '07 "cute" w/out prompting from me. (Though she didn't begin agitating for a trade.)
That's my humble opinion, but I'll bet I'm way outnumbered by the Moms out there who will like the embellished treatment, will see the vehicle as safe and family budget friendly, will easily picture themselves at the wheel, cell phone in hand, with a back seat filled with kiddos.
When I was shopping back in '05 I was looking for some ground clearance, a flip up rear window and easily reachable tie downs on all four corners. So the new version may not have made my short list.
Just my .02.
This is a NEW car. During the pre-delivery inspections, they idle a lot. They get driven short distances on the lot etc.
I don't think you are outnumbered. Went to see it, and was very disappointed. I was hoping to trade in my Accord, but quickly changed my mind. Like you, I found it to be "van like" or "wagon like". Looked way smaller than my RAV4. I may consider the 06 CRV, which now looks very appealing to me. At my dealer, they are selling the 07 right at MSRP, but the sales manager who I've known for 15 years (we have 2 other Hondas), said he was willing to negotiate. Too bad I really don't want it, but I'm sure I would get a great deal for the 06.
One thing though, I was wondering about that Navigation system. What good would that do to me in SLC? If I have business in LA for example, I jump on the plane and now how do I get around LA? I can't take out the Navigation system and take it with me. So why pay $2000 extra? You can buy a laptop for $500 and Microsoft Streets and Trips with GPS for $100 and take it with you wherever and whenever you want. Or you can buy a Garmin for $500 and have it with you all the time. I see back East people could use it if they drive around from town to town but around here (in the West) you don't get very far in a car. So, no CR-V with Navi for me!
We bought an LX 2WD 07 CRV for 20K + TTL in Dallas today.
- knocked off destination & 600 from the MSRP
When we got our last car, it had around 65 miles on it (15 from my own test drive), and the gas mileage to that point was 14.3 mpg. The EPA numbers on the car are 18 city 25 highway..
After 11,000 miles, we are averaging 23 mpg..
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For not just EX-L.
You can get a pda with built in gps for 600 and it fits in your pocket. The navi in the car adds rearview monitor plus all kinds of fancy stuff for the audio system. The portable navi stuff takes a while to find themselves but the in-car systems know where the car last stopped rather quickly. I have a pda based navi and it is great for those who travel via other modes! But the incar units are great for those who generally dont fly away to other places. I await the HP new series pda/phone/gps for 1/4th the cost!
CRV without AWD is a hard sell in the used mkt, and dealer tells in the new mkt as well. Some switchers from domestic SUV vehicles are not yet sold on the AWD concept as they equate it to the old 4x4 which is mainly helpful in very tough situations and generally in straight lines only! Parking a vehicle in tight quarters while in 4x4 is murder but parking the AWD is a non issue. Some old Subus would balk while being parked due to their AWD mechs but the current technology does not bind at all.
I agree that value and styling strategy that imitates the next tier up will help sell many '07 CR-Vs.
I'm sorry to see the "old box styling" end, because it perfectly matched the vehicle's intended function. I like that approach.
On the other hand my neighbor bought a Hyundai (I think), because it "looks like a CR-V." I guess everybody gets to vote with their own hard-earned cash.
At least the new Mini Cooper still looks like what it is, a Go Kart for semi-grownups.
Well, at least the marketing folks at Honda will be ecstatic that you're lumping the CR-V in with this group. Unfortunately, its not the appropriate comparison. Using your logic, you should've bought a Hyundai Tucson, or a bus pass.
The cons: no stick, cheap plastic interior, bad view out the rear. Other than that excellent.
CRV vs Outback. I agree on all points.
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During traction loss on the front axle the system routes torque to the rear axle so for a brief moment you have 4WD (AWD).
Doesn't mean much because only two wheels have traction.
Once the front axle regains traction the system reverts back to 2WD.
With Stability and Traction Control being standard Honda 4WD is not that important. The careful driver is still the best feature.
Only my opinion.
Because every time we drive more than a few miles with my wife, 2 dogs and the parrot in our Accord, I wish we had an SUV instead. The sedan is too small inside. And if we had any children, they would be tied down outside to the roof rack. They wouldn't fit in the trunk because that's where we put the cooler and the folding chairs.
I feel like if people would get over the "stigma" of driving a minivan (C'mon people, I'm 19 and LOVED driving and riding our Odyssey - comfortable, roomy, and powerful!) they'd find a much more useful vehicle than their Expeditions and Tahoes...for much less money!
The exception here is for towing, where the minivans can only handle 3,500-4,000 pounds.
Check out a van!
Of you don't like the way it looks, buy something else!
No matter what it looks like there will ALWAYS be people who don't like it!
Sometimes I honestly think some people try to find things to complain about.
Are you aware that VSA has been a standard feature on the CR-V since the '05 model year?
Interior looks good. I like the position of the gear shift, not like our older CRV, which have the shift gear so close to the steering wheel.
Definitely worth my money, and being a Honda, it'll last me for a long time.
That's your situation, mine is the opposite. I'm starting to make sales calls in New England and never fly. I always drive and like having a NAV built into the car I'm in everyday. It'll be in the next vehicle I buy.
If Honda introduced the CR-V with an MSRP that was $500 higher than it is... then gave you a $500 discount, would you buy vehicle?
MSRP is a very arbitrary number. The market decides the real value of the vehicle. Good ole supply and demand is a big part of it. Buyer hysteria is another. For some vehicles (very few) the true value of a vehicle is well above MSRP. For most, it is well below that number.
Right now, the 2007 CR-V is too new for anyone to tell what the "real" street price should be. So, dealers are working with the arbitrary number given to them by the accountants at Honda corporate.
For me, the looks did not improve upon seeing it in person. They rarely do. I have some training in studio arts and it's enough for me to know how to "read" a photo. It's a good-looking vehicle spoiled by a hideous schnoz.
The interior looks good. Definitely a step up from the 02-06 models in terms of style. I agree with C_Hunter about the lack of soft-touch surfaces. I do not agree that they were cheap. A couple or raps with a knuckle in various places produced nothing but solid noises. The interior is covered with hard plastics, but they are not cheap plastics.
Assembly was nearly perfect. In fact, the dash was perfect. Despite this being an early model off the assembly line, every little seam (and there are a lot of them) was perfectly fitted and tight. There are a variety of surface textures, but gaps between them were tight, tight, tight! Better than a few of the luxury vehicles I've driven or ridden in recently.
I wrote "nearly" perfect, because I did find one flaw. The gap between the door and the dash was about 1/8 inch wider on the driver's side than the passenger's. (Something I learned to check from the editors here... Karl Brauer, maybe?)
Seats were comfy. Radio looks great, but I didn't listen to it. Cubbies are all pretty small. The tray under the passenger seat is about a 3rd the size of the one in my old 99 model. It might be good for a small paperback.
Spoke with a few people on the lot. Lots of activity around the CR-V.
One couple was about to drive it and asked point-blank if I'd buy one them (serious shoppers!). They were down-sizing from an Ody and liked the idea of a small SUV, but the Mrs. was having a hard time giving up all the interior space.
Another woman was there and, like me, was just being a lookie-loo. She owned a current model and we compared notes. She wanted a more truckish look. She wasn't going to miss the picnic table, but complained about the center console. She prefers the flip tray. (I explained it was available on lower trims.)
With so many people around, I didn't want to waste the staff's time and I boogied without a test drive. Not sure I'd want to be seen in one anyway.
1. It's new, and it is being driven "hard" by buyers interested in checking out the acceleration and power.
2. The above not withstanding, if you drive the CR-V hard, 17.5 is possible. I got about that on my 2003 for a couple of tanks before I started driving sensibly. I ended up at 20-22 in town.
Doesn't mean much because only two wheels have traction. "
I see your point, but I'm pretty sure the front wheels still receive power. Only part of the power is sent to the rear wheels.