Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • sunshine21sunshine21 Member Posts: 10
    Hello all,
       i have just been catching up on my reading....thanks for all the input on the 6-cd changer indash (forester 03) I am still having some trouble with the system...i have loaded all new cd's...wiped them down...etc..still the player gets finicky...it sounds like it is working hard to read the cd...then it will play and sometimes it won't...i will make an appt. at the dealer to check out the problem...iam just waiting to have everything settle in...i am at about 900 miles on the car...the mpg question...i have been reading with interest..last week my mpg was about 16.5 mpg 95% city driving..from what i have been reading i may still be in the break in period....I hope my vehicle settles into a little better city mileage......I have been doing about 95% highway driving with this tank...i will let you know the mileage... I am really enjoying driving my vehicle...sturdy...and fun to drive...and
        Phong...I have also noticed a lag in my car. Sometimes when i go from a complete stop and i step on the gas it feels as if it is being pulled back...as if the baack wheeels are in mud...this happens on hard surfaces..the car goes..but it feels a little sluggish in the rear wheels... well that is all for now...keep writing i am so enjoying reading everything....
  • dulesdules Member Posts: 37
    We have a Forester XS 5 speed and we're loving it so far, but have noticed an odd thing when we put the car in reverse.

    It feels like it drags for a second on reverse (even on flat surfaces) almost like the brake is on. The feeling is definitely a pull on the back, not the front of the car. Then it picks up and goes, but with a whining reverse sound that I always associated with my Hondas but never noticed in other cars.

    Question: is this normal? Is it the hill holder kicking in on flat surfaces? Should I have the dealer check it out?

    Thanks so much for any feedback,

    Julie
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    So...a 2 1/4 ton floor jack and matching jack stands will work? I intend to put the car up on the jack stands -- not on the floor jack.

    I also have the Rhino Ramps. :-D I just didn't like 'em for lifting the vehicle. If you didn't hit 'em just right, they'd slide on asphalt. Plus, you have to wait for the engine to cool down if you move the car onto the ramps. Makes things hotter to deal with, unless you leave the car on the ramps for an hour or two.

    Anyone else ahve any input on what jacks and jackstands to use?

    burnsmr4
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    The one's I bought a couple weeks ago have a rubber foot at the front part where the wheel first comes in contact with the ramp. Our garage is smooth concrete and they did not slide at all going up or down the ramps.

    When I changed my Outback's oil, it was first thing in the morning. I just went around our block and came back to our garage and drove up the ramps. The engine wasn't very hot, but warm enough that the oil flowed nicely. My dw had our MPV that morning, so when she came back it was at operating temps. I drove it up the ramps, ate lunch, and waited a bit for stuff to cool down before doing the oil change. Even with a jack and stands, I would have had to wait. Typically, I like to change the oil first thing in the morning.

    -Brian
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    Reading your description I think this oddity is the hill holder. In my X MT if I'm backing up the light touch on the brake pedal will tend to start to activate the HH. With even more brake pedal pressure the HH will stop the car. This can be
    irritating while parallel parking etc. When the car was green things were very tight now with 10k things are loosening a bit. Most of the time the HH is GREAT but it seems to activate on what appears as level grade. Bob L
  • sunshine21sunshine21 Member Posts: 10
    I just filled up my forester xs auto. 2003....and with about 80-85% highway the rest city driving...my mpg was 23....and i am closer to 1,000 miles on the car....
  • subaru2004subaru2004 Member Posts: 9
    Hello All,

    Does anyone know if a non- California (purchased in another state) 2003
    Forester would meet the Califonia emission requirements?

    If not what would have to be done at what cost.?

    Ron
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Ron,
    I live in NJ and my 2002 Forester says right under the Hood that its for ALL 50 States. Also my Factory Service manual does not discriminate for any Calif emissions as on other vehicles I have owned or serviced. In other words, unless anyone knows differently, US destined Foresters should ALL meet 50 state emissions.
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    As far as I know, Subaru is too small a company to afford separating emmissions requirements.
  • krzychokrzycho Member Posts: 16
    Any simple method for installing spark plugs in Forester "S" 2001 ? Chris.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I used a 2 1/4 ton floor jack and a single jack stand. The drain plug slopes to the passenger side in the Forester so I jacked up the driver's side only, which gave me plenty of room for the drain pain and the oil filter access hole. It doesn't need to go up much, 4-6 inches is plenty. Everything is in the front of the vehicle, you don't actually need to slide under the car.

    MPG, I have had 5 tanks of gas in 1600 miles on my '03 XS, mpg varied from 26.2 to 31.0 mpg with 60/40 and 90/10 city/highway. This on the 5 speed, keeping it between 60-70 mph.

    John
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Thanks for the feedback on the jack and the ramps. I think I'm still gonna get the jack, since I'm not keen on those ramps unless I need to use 'em.

    Only problem is, I don't think a 2 1/4 ton jack will work for me. I checked specs on my wife's '98 Volvo S70, and they say that the weight of the vehicle is around 4900lbs. Just a hair too much for 2 1/4 ton jack?

    burnsmr4
  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    In slippery conditions with a manual, you always know what gear you are in and have complete control over that. When starting up, you can force it into second gear to provide less torque and thus less slippage. Some autos give you full control of shifting, but many do not let you lock into second gear. They may shift down unexpectedly when you do not want them to, causing a loss of traction on a slippery surface. However, for most people, they are fine. I guess I am just very particular.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Chris,
    On the Passenger side, remove the Air intake snorkel, on the Drivers side, remove the Washer tank Then all is opened up and straight forward. Be glad it's not a FWD V6 and you have the rear plugs to get to. These are easy.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,769
    You are reading the wrong number on that S70. It weighs in at around 3300 lbs. But, regardless, you aren't picking up the whole vehicle with a floor jack. Just part of the vehicle.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Only get an alarm if you are going to get a significant cut in your insurance rates.

    Otherwise a thief will take your car if they want it.

    -mike
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Member Posts: 318
    Hehe. Thanks gbrozen. I DID read the wrong number in the manual. I checked Edmunds.com specs on the Volvo and realized my mistake just before seeing your post.

    I must've read the max. GVW for the car. I didn't THINK it was that much heavier than my '02 Subaru Forester S. LOL!

    Anyway -- I'm gonna get the Craftsman jack and jack stand set from SEARS at $30. Thank goodness for rain checks. :-D

    burnsmr4
  • subaru2004subaru2004 Member Posts: 9
    Thanks Mckeown for the 50 state emission
    information.

    I also received the following reply from Subaru of America:

    Thank you for visiting the Subaru Web site and for your inquiry. Yes, the 2003 Forester models all meet the stricter emissions standards of California regardless of which state it is purchased in. We have only offered Californian spec vehicles for the past couple of model years.

    Thanks for the opportunity to be of assistance. If you need any future assistance, please feel free to contact us again.

    Ron
  • chicagofatschicagofats Member Posts: 3
    Could I double-check something regarding the installation of speakers on a 2003, from those of you who have upgraded your own speaker system? If I pick up a set of Subaru tweeters for installation in the front doors, will I find the wiring already in the door when I remove the panel? Is it really that easy? And how about installing the Subaru subwoofer -- just remove the passanger seat and look for the wires? Thanks for your advice!
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    ...are a snap install, maximum 10 minutes for both sides. I purchased them a while back and indeed all the wiring is already there. Just pop the plastic triangle corners and plug in the tweeter and then snap it in with the new triangle. they pop in/out, so as the instructions suggest, use something soft and blunt but sturdy (a screwdriver with some electrical tape would do the trick) so you don´t scratch things. I like the sound improvement a lot. the imaging is much better, even though i am still running base speakers.
    Can´t talk about the subwoofer, but from the instruction sheets it looks more complicated only because you need to get to the back of the stereo harness.
    I am wandering about the subwoofer myself. Is it worth to upgrade to the amp/subwoofer from Subaru if i was to stick to the stock stereo and get better door speakers? (p.s. i´m itching to use those SubaruBucks)
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    Posted this in the mods forum....but check out this for the installation on many sube accessories:

      http://www.1stsubaruparts.com/library/

      Note: I added the subwoofer and a WRX head unit to my 01 Forester in addition to upgraded front speakers/tweeters....I'm very happy with the results
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    lakepop, thanks for that link! it´s great.
    did you upgrade to the Subaru "OEM" premium speakers or aftermarket? if so, which ones? thanks for any info.
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    kajko..upgraded audio with OEM tweeters and subwoofer. Front door speakers are Sony XPlods from Crutchfield. The rear door speakers remain stock. The WRX head unit is the stock 6 disc cd which I believe has considerably more power than the stock Forester one I replaced.
     
      I am definitely not an audiophile.....old ears from too many years in aircraft....but the upgrades are definitely better...even to my ears.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    The Subaru "premium" speakers are just two-way speakers with better material. The ones that came with my 98 Forester were from Panasonic, IIRC.

    I also replaced them with 3-way Sony Xplods and the difference was quite noticeable.

    I also replaced my rears with Polks, but this modification gave less bang for the buck. I believe the low positioning of the rear speakers and their small size results in a smaller improvement.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The OEM Premium speakers are two-way for the fronts, but the rears are actually still dual-cones. Both have higher wattage ratings. OK for the average guy, but audiophiles should shop aftermarket.

    Duck: it's funny you mention it, but my old roommate hurt his shoulder skiing, and he was driving a stick. I didn't even have a driver's license yet. We ended up driving with him behind the wheel, but me changing gears. An auto would have been much easier.

    I use rhino ramps, too, but my driveway is inclined, so using the ramps actually makes the cars sit level. So find a hill! :-)

    -juice
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    Good point about driving hurt or have someone else drive: automatics are nicer that way. On the flip side, when you wake up in the middle of nowhere to find out that your battery is dead, especially in cold weather, you can always push the car to get it started if it´s a MT...

    always pros and cons....

    Thanks for the info on the speakers. i think my first use of SubaruBucks will go to the subwoofer/amp and the security upgrade (that should take care of about $200...), the latter one prompted by recent street vandals and an insurance discount, in essence paying for itself in the next few years.

    still no news on the springs, i am beginning to curse in my sleep at Scorpion and iSRPerformance...
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    I brought my Forester in to the dealer because of a wuh wuh wuh sound coming from the tires. I was told I need new tires, but I only have 27,000 miles on my sube. I though the Dueler H/T's were rated for 60,000 miles. Are these tires crap...or does the all-wheel-drive system eat up tires?

    I was told $139/tire. I'm not about to put out that kind of cash for tires that will last less than 30,000 miles. does anyone have any suggestions for another brand? I prefer raised white letters myself.

    Thanks
  • happykathappykat Member Posts: 6
    Hi everybody, thanks for all the input earlier on manual vs auto and on sound system stuff. I settled on a automatic (I love driving stick - that's real driving - but I have some old foot injuries that make using a clutch painful sometimes...dang). I am deep into the purchase process & was about to do the final test drive when the dealer phoned to say "by the way, turns out it has 670 miles on it". I know that's really not many miles but it seems like a lot for a brand-new car that I wanted to break in myself. what do y'all think? Could I reasonably ask for a bit of a price break on it, I dunno, a couple hundred bucks or a free subwoofer or something? This is my first-ever car purchase so I don't know what's typical for #miles on a new car. The dealer is asking $19500. (Seattle)
      thanks, kathleen
    PS I can't WAIT to get this Forester -- I spent most of last night rescuing my other car, which has a dead alternator and conked out 0.5 miles from home, and then again 0.1 miles from home when its dying carburetor crashed too. We rescued it with my boyfriend's car, a 10-year-old Metro which also has a dead alternator and a bad clutch and yet somehow managed to creak along enough to push the other car home. I haven't been able to go more than 2 miles from home for months. Did I mention I can't wait to get the Forester??
  • lakepoplakepop Member Posts: 221
    A "New" Forester with 670 miles???.....sorry this one is clearly a demo or a sales car or returned for some reason. I would want <25 miles on anything I bought as a new car. All I can see is people taking it out for "spirited" test drives.

      Now if YOU have different thoughts than me.....at least get some kind of price break...add ons.....something.

      OK....just my .02......don't be overeager to get a "new" car.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Kathleen- 670 miles is a lot for a new car! I'd definitely ask for either a couple hundred dollar price break or speaker upgrade as you suggested. However, I hope the sales person doesn't know how desparate you are. Good luck and keep us posted.

    -Frank P.
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    I wouldn't buy that Forester unless they added the extended warranty for free. If that car was over RPM (ed) during the 670 miles you can damage to the internal engine components and not see the effect until after the 36k ie burning oil etc etc. IMHO Bob L.
  • jthorsenjthorsen Member Posts: 39
    If you are truly "deep into the purchase process" as you say and are just finding out now that the car has 670 miles (and it was presented as new) then run! If you don't have any other dealer options then I'd hold out for a new (<25 miles) Forester at the same price. And if you have to have this car then absolutely get them to throw in an extended warranty as Bob suggests. If this car has already been returned by someone else you very well may need it. Just my $.02
    -Jon
  • happykathappykat Member Posts: 6
    thanks for the input. (No, the dealer doesn't know how eager I am! - I've kept very quiet about that) Thanks for the extended warranty idea - I will certainly ask for that or for a different new (really new) Forester, and I'm also going back to 2 other dealers. so by the way, does anyone have a Subaru dealer in the Seattle area that they really like? thanks, Kathleen
  • cschaafcschaaf Member Posts: 16
    Sorry it has taken me so long to get back...

    To refresh your memory - My wifes tranny started acting up about a month after the recall work was done. It was lurching at about 15mph.

    We took it in and after about a week the dealer got back to us and said it was the valve box. We had that replaced last week. The mechanic that worked on it said he felt we should get a new tranny. The svc manager seemed to suggest the same thing without going so far as to say so.

    They told us to drive it and see if the problem returned. Everything seems fine so far. Just wondering if and when it will return.

    Chris
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    Tell this dealership that you want to take another Forester out for a 650 mile test drive and when you get back what would they sell it to you for. If they agree then do it. Chances are very high that they won't (altho I had a Lexus salesperson offer to let me have a Lexus for a weekend) Then say you want a new one or they should knock off several thousand as the car is a used car now.
    Gene
  • inseattleinseattle Member Posts: 2
    Kathleen,

    I would stay away from that dealer. Stuff like that needs to be disclosed upfront. If u are willing to purchase a "brand new" car with that many miles, I would definitely ask for compensation in the form of a cash discount or some sort of an extended warranty. There are quite a few of dealers in the Seattle area - you shouldn't have to settle for a new car that already has 670 miles. I am in the process of getting an XS Premium. So far I have mostly been price shopping by emailing the various dealerships. The one in North Seattle seems to have decent prices. Was your price quote for an X or XS ?
  • sfdriversfdriver Member Posts: 35
    Mmm..Seatle - I'm curious, is this the same car? 03 Forester X, auto trans, optional mud flaps, tweeters, tailpipe tip, no-scuff moldings, net, tweeters etc $19535.50.50 #J1N6748
    Do a search for "everything subaru joe", and click on sales. If its the same car, I now know why its so marked-down.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    When I bought my car new, I specified in the contract that it had to have less than 15 miles on the odometer when I picked it up. It had 11. (I suppose theoretically someone might have abused it in the parking lot, but I think that's a bit over the top...)

    No way no how I'd pay new pricing on a vehicle with 670 miles on it. The whole point of ordering new was to avoid some yahoo overreving a green engine, or beating up the clutch, etc. I believe there are legal definitions that technically come into play, but as far as I'm concerned, it's used. An extended warranty is the least they can do. I'd go for a different unit if you want a new one, personally.

    Just my 2 cents...

    -brianV
  • rochcomrochcom Member Posts: 247
    Although my '98 Forester had the Geolandars, not the Duelers, they lasted only 30k miles. Otheres have reported similar short life.

    They were worn excessively on the outside. I thought this was a misalignment, but apparently not, because their replacements, Goodrich Touring T/As lasted 42,000 with no sign of excessive outer edge wear. No alignment had been done. They actually could have gone another 8-10000 miles and still have been legal, but at 4/32 tread depth they began to hydroplane badly and to slide around in snow. Since we had 21 days in a row of snow here, I replaced them early. They are decent tires that I have used on 2 vehicles -- good in all conditions except in snow when they are more than half worn.

    Currently, I am using Bridgestone Turanza LS/T tires that so far have been excellent in snow and very good in boh wet and dry conditions. They have a very deep tread that made them a bit squirmy at first in wet and dry conditions, but they are quite stable and grip and handle well. They settled in with wear.

    They are said to be deisgned to retain good handling as they wear because of a special progressive tread design. They have a 60k warranty. The 16" ones cost $110 each at a regional chain store, mounted, balanced and with road hazard warranty, free alignment check, and one year roadside assistance. They are available mail-order from Tire rack for $73. This is for the 16" size. The 15" are less expensive.

    The sound you are describing from your tires could mean either that you have cupping of the tread caused by misalignment, or that the tire has changed shape (usually a bulge under the tread or it has gotten out of round). So, you should have the alignment checked when you get the new tires.

    I recommend that the alignment be done by a reputable place that does a lot of them. Many places do a sloppy job, making adjustments only if alignment is completely out of spec, leaving it alone if it is at the extreme but within tolerance. Make sure that whoever does the alignment sees the wear pattern on the old tires. This gives them useful information.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    skipd,

    OE tires are almost always inferior to what you can get for the same price on the aftermarket. The Dueler H/Ts are not very good tires. Most folks I know with them (as OE tires) have not been very happy with the treadlife and performance.

    If the treadwear warranty is indeed 60K miles, you might be able to contact Bridgestone for some adjustment. You should have received a warranty info brochure.

    AWD should actually help keep tire wear more even as torque is being distributed to all four tires.

    You can do much, MUCH better than Dueler H/Ts for $139/tire. For starters, do some research at Tire Rack and browse through their selection of tires. Since you want RWL, you probably want to being in the light truck tire section. Choose a tire with at least the same speed, traction and wear rating as the Duelers (that shouldn't be too hard).

    I recently purchased Dunlop SP5000s for my Forester S and are very happy with them. They came out to about $100/tire at Discount Tire -- this included balancing, mounting and disposal of my old tires. It also includes lifetime balancing and rotation too.

    Ken
  • ducktapeguyducktapeguy Member Posts: 115
    Do not buy that car. You don't know how much damage could have been done in 670 miles. That's a lot of test drives on a car, a lot of short trips, a lot of high revs, a lot of hard driving, all in the break in period. I wouldn't even go back to that dealer unless they offered you a NEW car, not a used one. Even if they knock off a couple hundred dollars, and give you an extended warranty, I would just go to a new dealer and start the buying process all over again. It'll be much easier this time since you already know what you want and how much you wanna pay. If you can't do that, and need to get this car, they should knock off >$1K, because that's how much a new car would depreciate as soon as you drive it off the lot.
  • molemanmoleman Member Posts: 1
    Kathleen,
    You might want to contact the "internet sales manager" at local dealerships. I talked to one in Tacoma (I suggest you use the yellow pages, "Edmunds" looked askance at my posting of the guy's actual name and e-mail address, even though I will get no kickback or anything). I'm sure you will be able to figure out the name of a Tacoma Subaru dealer.

    Last year when I was looking for a new Forester I made contact with him this guy, let's call him "Bill" (not Gates) from one of the various internet pricing services.

    At the time, he was selling for $500 or so over the dealer invoice. True, they get a kickback from Subaru so the dealer really gets $1000 for the car, but it was still about $2000 below list.

    If you can wait for him to order a car in, you get the best price. Otherwise, add $250 or so, max, and he will deliver the car to you. I think he is closer than 650 miles.
    Accessories sold for near dealer cost, too, and he provided the sheets to show, which were right-on what I had found from Consumer Reports.

    I did not have the opportunity to buy a new 2003 XS from him, though . .
    found a 2001 S for about $8k less and couldn't justify spending the extra.
    I was impressed with his manner over the phone and e-mail, seemed like a straight shooter, none of the usual dealer stuff, just selling cars to
    people who knew what they wanted.

    hopefully this will meet the "non-commercial" standards of Edmunds. (my first message had his e-mail address and everything . . I learned that was a no-no)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    post in the dealers section in the owners club. They are a bit more leanent in there since it is a whole topic dedicated to dealers.

    -mike
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    Thanks for the info on the tires.

    I figured it was something like cupping or shifted belts.

    I do plan to have an alignment done at a sube dealership. I live within walking distance of one which makes it real convenient for service. But $139/tire for the Duelers seems a bit much and I'm tempted to look elsewhere for tires. The thing is, thanks to my Subaru Mastercard, I have $200 in Subaru bucks that I can use toward any Subaru service or parts at the dealership. The Subaru Bucks are good for four years, so maybe I could buy the tires elswhere and have the alignment done at the dealership. Or I could just save the Subaru bucks for something else. Anyway, I am definitely going to look at other tire brands.

    BTW, its been a long time since I visited this board (over a year and a half I'm sure). Unfortunately, my life has become much busier than I would like....even my kayaking time has been cut short, which is not good for Skip. Anyway, it is good to still see some of the oldtimers like Juice and kens here. I'll try to come a round a little more.

    Later.....
  • happykathappykat Member Posts: 6
    ...yes, sfdriver, that's the same Forester that I almost bought. However the dealer was offering that same (quite low) price on all his Foresters. To give the guy a little credit, he is tripping all over himself apologizing for the 670 miles, and is now trying to find me another identical new Subaru with <50 miles for the same price; he doesn't have one on the lot so he's swapping cars with another dealer. He's seemed like a straightforward kind of guy up to this point, so I may give him another chance if he finds me a good car. wish me luck & thanks for all the great advice, everyone! - Kathleen
  • sfdriversfdriver Member Posts: 35
    Wow, Kathleen, if he can get you an identical barely driven one, with all those options, I say go for it! That is way below invoice pricing. Good Luck! & please keep us updated.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I just did a search on fitzmall.com and found 6 Forester X automatics for that price or less.

    Seems like a good deal if it had 11 miles, but not 670.

    -juice
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    I was wondering, does anyone have the exact measurement for the outlet part of the exhaust pipe on a forester(02 and prior)? I have an aftermarket tip on mine and am looking for a dual round or dual squarish exhaust replacement and I am afraid that when I take off the one thats on mine I will not be able to get it back on with the crud and sand and stuff this past winter has sand blasted onto it.It looks to be 2 1/4 but I need reassurance.
    Gene
  • kajkokajko Member Posts: 70
    Howdy all,

    i hope you can help me answer this question. got back to the USA. My wife has been driving the Forester (sorry, no name for it) for about a month and she filled it with gas twice. all city driving. to my horror, two things happened: MPG for one tank = 19, another = 20. also, at one point, there was a cylinder 1 and 2 misfire error code on the ECU so she took it to the dealer, where they said not to worry but stop buying Costco gasoline and use "brand name" instead. My suspicion is that this all has to do with the fact that since Mar 1 we get normal gas and not the oxygenated variety we have been using since getting the car in november. So the question is, should i reset the ECU and/or switch to other gas stations? keep in mind, i have gotten as much as 29MPG on the Costco gas and lowest ever was 22MPG (overall average since buying the car = 25MPG).
    Thanks for any ideas!
  • ian32ian32 Member Posts: 1
    I have just checked out the prices displayed at fitzmall.com and was amazed to see the gap between quoted and msrp. for a new Forester. This is quite different from Toyota's new policy which is mrsp- take it or leave it pricing. It makes comparative reviews invalid if one vehicle can be had for thousands less than msrp and the other not. My question is if it is realistic to expect to pay around $2500 less than msrp on a new X. If so, that would translate to over $4000 can. here in Vancouver. The dealer I spoke to suggested that they could discount up to $1400 on a good day, or perhaps double that for a demonstrator. I would love to drive a new Forester, but $30K plus 14.5% taxes for an X is hard to swallow.
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