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A tire like that Yokohama lasts, what, 35k miles or so?
I would not be too hard to measure.
-juice
-Frank P.
-juice
-Frank P.
-juice
Jim
..just keeps flowing: (1) the X has a less expensive windshield in the event of a rock crack.
(2) 50k on the stock Geolanders sounds great!!
Happy New Year to all...still saving my Naval Reserve pay for a Forester.....ez
So, Fletch, now we're all a bunch of drips,eh?
<ducking and running>
More importantly, how can the Escape rank worst of all, and then Tribute not even show up on the list? They supposedly factor sales, so logically the twins would be right up next to each other, as they are on more scientific ratings such as JD Power and CR.
-juice
Other instances would certainly include car dealers
with around 5k miles on long gone '00 windstar = 6 times in shop
that list is a good laugh
Every one of those defendants probably had an opportunity to perform its contractual or statutory obligations, but chose not to despite repeated requests to make it right. It is those decisions that create the demand that keeps attorneys productively employed.
Contrary to popular opinion, defendants don't just give money away when plaintiffs make demands. Typically a party's bargaining power is defined by the likely outcome at trail. When a case settles the parties reach an agreement. They do so to avoid the uncertainty and expense of trial, but also knowing the possible and probable outcomes at trial.
I don't look for the type of work promoted on that Web site. But I have made GM cough up some money on a warranty claim; I've also made an auto dealer take back a new car and return a trade in due to some extremely offensive sales tactics.
I'll concede that it's possible the legal profession isn't perfect.
But for those of you on the "kill all the lawyers" bandwagon, consider this: there's sufficient demand for our services that America now supports over one million attorneys. I believe that most of that demand is based on honest grievances and genuine injuries.
Most attorneys are far too busy to accept frivolous cases.
Looking beyond the lawyer bashing, which is entertaining even to me at times, I have to say that I think this is a great forum and a great community.
Happy New Year to you all!
Some would argue this skews their numbers, but customers are happy, so...
I recall seeing a lemon list from Florida and Honda was the only make that did not have a single car on it.
One guy who serves as an expert witness on lemon law trials says Hyundais and Kias are still the most common ones he sees, yet the list has ZERO KIAS AND HYUNDAIS. LOL
-juice
I'm actually going to fill out a complaint about the seatbelts and the climate control. These could be considered dangerous and more than just annoying - loss of vehicle control due to seatbelt locking for no reason and loss of visibility due to icing up of the windshield becuse of a useless front defroster.
No, I'm not a lawyer, but I do find amusement in people on these forums defending Subaru like it was their own company. Remember, Subaru makes money, a LOT of money, from its consumers, therefore it should strive to please the consumer, not strive to have the consumer defend the shortfalls of its vehicles.
Toyota/Lexus would not be the most reliable car brand in the world if they didn't address design flaws discovered by their customers. Subaru should take a lesson from them.
Just my 2 cents....
You say Toyota is the most reliable car brand in the world, yet the make the #2 Lemon!
Apparently the most reliable brands are Kia, Hyundai, and Suzuki, which fail to make the list. OK, try not to laugh!
See my point? And BTW, I was defending Honda and Buick (in another thread), and attacking the Mazda Tribute (I own a Mazda Miata).
-juice
No profession is. Certainly some in my CPA field have drawn fire over the past several years. Still, let me be the first to nominate the quote above for "understatement of the millenium".
there's sufficient demand for our services that America now supports over one million attorneys.
Made possible by (1) encouraging several successive generations to grow up believing that every single bad thing that ever happens (even happenstance things, and especially things mainly caused by one's own carelessness or stupidity) is a golden opportunity to shift the blame to someone (anyone!) else and then extort money from them, and (2) the refusal of Congress and legislatures (most of whom are <gasp> lawyers) to ever even minimally police their own by enacting anything resembling real, fundamental tort reform.
From the many people I know who own(ed) Toyotas/Lexi, myself included, I have never heard anyone complain about their cars. Complaints about the dealerships, yes, but never the product itself.
From the several people I know who own(ed) Subarus, myself included, every single one had gripes about the cars themselves, most regarding either poor design or reliability.
Granted, my sampling may not represent the entire consumer base accurately, I tend to go with what I know to make a statement that Subarus are less reliable than Toyotas in general.
Just my humble opinion.
Toyota's behavior was just awful, and yes, some Lexus models were also affected (ES300, RX300). They only folded after a very effective public/internet campaign pressured them to, against their will.
We are talking about complete engine failures, $6000-8000 repair bills. They blamed customers.
Here is an article, the link still works:
http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=38302&a=a&b- t=sludge
3.3 million bad engines! Did you know that dealers actually were offering "De-Sludge Specials" where they'd flush oil detergents through engines to clean them?
Toyota had a hard earned reputation for reliability, but face it, they choked. Badly. They're big enough to overcome that debacle, sure, but notice how the 3.0l V6 has been phased out?
-juice
The mere presense of Patti on these boards is a big deal, most makes wouldn't risk it.
Has Subaru has some bumps? Sure. Wheel bearings on Forester/Impreza up until 2002. O-rings and gaskets in some 2.5l Phase I engines. Clutch issues, too.
But SoA honors those claims under warranty, something Toyota tried to wiggle out of. Fortunately, consumers were empowered enough to force them to put their foot in their mouth.
-juice
But you're right, each car make has its share of problems.
Oh well, on that happy note I'm off to pick-up my now leather upholstered FXT (camera in hand).
-Frank P.
Loving leather as I do, it really ticks me off that you of all people managed to wangle a 5-speed leather-throned XT. Life is so unfair. It just makes me feel like suing somebody.
America "supports" over a million lawyers because they are so busy filing suit against McDonald's when the hot coffee stuck between their legs burns them and assorted other situations.
Definitely the legal profession is needed and just as definitely it is overpopulated and severely abuses it's reponsibility and trust to society.
I have 3 friends who are good and ethical attorneys. I also see plenty of examples of abuses to the system and the costs to society caused by those less than ethical attorneys.
I just wonder how much less our Foresters and everything else would cost if we weren't paying for the abuses but only the legitimate claims to society.
Ok, I'm through with this thread. Not enough blood pressure medicine to stay in this topic.
I do my own service, so I use my.subaru.com. Don't know if Toyota has a similar site but if I owned one I'd look into that.
Cool Frank! Congrats! I can host pics if you want.
FWIW, I've worked with an excellent lawyer (real estate settlement attorney) and a very good salesman (at fitz Subaru), so I'm not complaining.
-juice
But we're all off-topic and I'm exercising my host prerogative and getting the last word in :-)
Back to the Forester (bashing car dealers is still topical I suppose <g>).
Steve, Host
Frank, you're right; I just broke my promise about not mentioning towing here anymore. Oh well, win some, lose some...
Bob
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-Frank P.
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-Frank P.
McDonalds got raped. Darwin's natural selection somehow failed to weed out that plaintiff.
Another vote for McDonald's got screwed. That's the same person who's ready to sue them now for "cold coffee" since they lowered the temp to protect her thighs. Anyone not driven by attorney/client greed would have told her "That's really awful what happened to you. I guess now you know better than to put hot coffee between your legs."
We have the Subaru Crew Cafe for debating the legal system and burned thighs.
Time for new batteries, I guess. Range has never been that good, but honestly it hasn't gotten worse in more than 5 years!
-juice
PS Loosh in the Forester thread? Oh man, you know he's got the XT on his mind...
It's going to be hard to stay on the fence, Juice, especially if we're not getting Leg pricing on Monday.
It's an intermittent problem, doesn't happen every tank. Sometimes after lighting early it goes out, to return at the appropriate time, other times it remains.
A related question: has anyone run their Forester out of gas? I know it's not a good thing to do, but just wondering how far down the gauge really goes.
DISCLAIMER: This perceived funtionality issue is one that I characterize as "minor." It does not detract from my appreication or enjoyment of my Forester. I do not contemplate, intend or plan the filing of a lawsuit.
I take it the same kind of conversion was not possible with the Forester?
But...SoA probably thought turbo lag would be too bothersome. Foresters are used more often for towing (it's even pre-wired) and you don't want a sudden surge of unpredictable power hauling heavy loads.
So they went with a torquier, less laggy 2.5T. But 25% more displacement coupled with a shorter final drive ratio is going to use more fuel, any way you look at it.
The Vue Redline is slightly slower and makes about the same mileage as the auto XT. The XTerra S/C is a guzzler in comparison, and much slower. So I don't think that fuel economy is unusual.
-juice
With this in mind, what's the best highway MPG noted to date for the FXT.
Tahoe C: what say you?
H-2004....ez
Still, Edmunds' long-term Tribute got 14 mpg on one tank, 16 mpg overall. Makes the XT look like a fuel miser.
My theory is that Subaru will re-certify the next Forester as a truck. They already did with the Baja, that allows for more looser CAFE standards. 20.7 today, 22.2 to be phased in from 2005-2007.
Cars have to average 27.5, so I think the Forester won't be called a car for long.
Let's see the Lexus RX400H (hybrid) when it debuts in Detroit, and how popular it is. I think that will influence the market a lot if it's popular, like the Prius is. Highlander would be next. Honda and Ford are rumored to be working on them too.
-juice
Chuck