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Cheaper? You bet. If I did these every day I'm sure I could finish one in 2 days.
You are contradicting yourself here. But anyway, dealer techs also don't want to spend 2 days rebuilding a transmission. It's not profitable for them unless that's all they do. Techs get paid flat-rate on a job, not by the hour.
Compare your factory pay rate in Japan vs. paying a U.S. Tech to do the same thing.
My understanding is that they are being rebuilt in Alabama - not Japan. Those techs are probably rebuilding 1 a day because that's all they do.
Now, it costs HOW MUCH to buy one of these from Honda? $4,000.
Well the $500 you spent isn't the only cost - labor to rebuild, shipping, warranty, profit margin for Honda, profit margin for dealer, tech labor to install. Yes, there's profit in it but since we aren't a socialist economy, I don't begrudge them.
I'm not going to get into a shouting match over this. The part is $4,000 plus another $1,000 to install at the dealer. I spent $1,100 total on my project. I'll gladly absorb any risk to save that kind of money and have the experience of doing the work. The replacements are grossly overpriced period.
My point in all of this is that the work of rebuilding that gearbox isn't worth $4,000 no matter who does it, and I'm stating my case so if there is anyone else out there who wants to try it I can offer them some help. The warranty on these units is gone, and not everyone can afford to cough up the dough to have Honda do the work.
My dealer was under the impression that the rebuilt units were in fact coming from Japan, but it doesn't matter where they come from, they're too expensive. Also, anyone who does rebuild one of these things has to understand proper filtration and heat management on the new unit or they will be going through this again.
So, pick up your wrenches and get to work or go get stuffed. And don't try to tell me what I already know, especially if you've never done it yourself.
By the way, a freshly rebuilt transaxle (part B7TA) holds just over 6 quarts of fluid when completely rebuilt, so a servicing replaces about 50% of the fluid. This is better then most GM transmissions by a long shot.
Let me know what happens when you add the above items. I think they will by you at least another year of driving. Then we can talk about the rebuild, likely through another medium or I might be able to do a website about it.
I serviced the transmission with synthetic, added a additive called Seafoam and cleared the code. So far - so good. It's amazing the abuse a trans can take with old fluid in it, people never think about that oil until thinks start to act up. Thanks again.
I must ask, what wording did you use exactly to convince honda to change out 3 of your transmissions? Any other advice other than sell at 100k?
Thank you, Thomas.
After read all the messages here about Replacement Transmission, I was very sad about these news. This is my first Honda car. Also, I am the first owner. I just called the Honda dealer today, and what I got was: "Sorry! Your warranty is expired, we could not do anything about this issue." I really don't know what I should do so far. Just spent about $ 4000~5000 in getting a new transmission in the dealer? Or find other store to fix the problem?
Hang in there. Other than the tranny issues (which is a huge issue) I have really enjoyed my Odyssey
Selling with known issues an integrity issue. Spending $2-3K for a vehicle with repetitive issues seems ill-advised. Thank you
Would you tell me who specifically you wrote to at Honda to appeal? I'd certainly appreciate it.
Thank you.
Also, do you know what years the recall effects and whether it is related to Honda's ongoing struggle with front and rear hydraulic engine mounts allowing vibration when running on less than all cylinders to save gas?
Thanks again, T
When was the transaxle serviced, i.e. who overfilled the case? If you drove it like that for a few hundred miles it probably didn't do any damage. The internals in that case are pretty stout.
Odyssey 2002 - 89K miles -
well known issue - accelerator increases rpm but not speed - check engine light is ON.
One dealer did the diagnostics:
p1750 Clutch Pressure Failure
p1751 2-3 shift malfuntion
p1676 fptdr signal failure
road test harsh shifting 2nd to 3rd also flaring 2500-4500 rpm
Dealer is asking:
Replace Transmission
Front Engine Mount broken - replace it
Ignition Switch Electical - to be replaced
Total cost = $4545 + tax
I was talking to other dealer and they say:
Alongwith transmission replacement, you also need PCM (computer ?) to be replaced - additional $1000
So, went to AAMCO:
they got the same codes as above. and tells me that those all codes are electrical - may not need transmission to be replaced. So, asking for 2 hours labor ($230) for further diagnostics. They said transmission fluid is low and contaminated. Now I had replaced transmission fluid 5 months back at local reliable auto shop.
I'm the original owner of the vehicle. American Honda is saying 25% discount ==> ~$5000 cost.
Of course, as most of us guessed this van will last for a long time without any major issues and kind of upset how Honda is treating it. Has anyone done any action against them?
Mainly, I'm looking for some auto expert help on what shall I do?
Have AAMCO spend another 2 hours and find out what really is bad?
OR get it transmission replaced ???
Any suggestion will be greatly help.
The part had to come from Honda or at least we could not find one anywhere else.
I'm beginning to believe the Honda dealers are driven to drive us out of the older vans and hope we will trade for a new one. Not gonna work with me! I think we are gonna drive something else real soon!
Good luck,
Good luck
Hondas to be the same.
I also own a 2009 Accord
My mom owns a 09 Accord also
I asked them to check the alignment, and they agreed it was off, but said they had to order some bolts to fix it. Sounds like there was a bigger problem than just the alignment, but as long as it is fixed with no cost to me, that's fine. Just thought I would let others know that if they feel their newer van is not aligned properly to have it checked.
Product Update: PCM Update for Lock-Up Clutch Function
This letter is to notify you of a potential transmission problem with your vehicle and what you should do to resolve it.
What is the problem?
A transmission judder (vibration) may sometimes be felt while driving between 20-45 mph. To minimize the opportunity for judder to occur, a software update for the transmission is available. If you do not feel the transmission judder, the software may prevent it from occurring. If the transmission software is not updated, the transmission may become damaged.
What should you do?
(take to any Honda dealer to "reprogram the transmission software" free of charge.)
Felt what I thought was the original problem again today, which happens when braking, and it seems that the car suddenly downshifts at the same time, or judders for a moment, almost like the automatic transmission is trying to do some kind of engine braking thing. Don't really know what to say, but since they've been making automatic transmissions for half a century, you'd think this wouldn't be such a challenge for Honda engineers, would you?
Thank you so much to all the people who have posted on all the forums and who have gone through this as well, the information so far has been a godsend.
Thanks,
Bear
I have a 2003 Odyssey as well and keep dumping the tranny fluid and wiping off the magnetic plug. Last time I did it I noticed that the magnet was getting weak so went to the local Honda Parts couinter and bought a new one for it. I recall saying that "this magnet is all that stands between me and your service counter"
He said, "no, there is also a transmission filter you can change" He showed me the diagram and sure enough there was a little, what looks like a spin on filter that sits parallel to the top of the case.
I have put a trouble light down there and for the life of me can't find the thing..I noticed that you mentioned changing yours...could you explain the process please? I thought it was on top of the trans case, but is it visible from underneath?
Also, did you have to do any mod's to the line to the rad cooler to add the new filter?
A service tech was standing at the parts counter and said that they "always put on an in line filter every time they have to change a tranny" but strangly enouigh, he said he had never seen the external filter!
Would really like to hear more of your modification system.
Thanks in advance for checking back...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APC9JS6DdSo&feature=related
Mystery solved...now I'm looking at the Magnafine filter products to add to my Odyssey a/t time bomb.
FILTER, HONDA COOLER RETURN
Code:
Price: $5.71
Quantity:
ACCORD V6 (03-UP), ODYSSEY (05-06)
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>>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:49:34 AM
>>>> >>>> To: valvtechline@ashland.com
Gears were slipping. Few times I punched the gas, the rpms go up, but it takes a while for it to get into gear.
So I showed to a NJ dealer (Open Road Honda). They advised me to fix something in transmission and also asked me to do timing belt package, which I did.
It did cost me around 2500$. A month later (Nov'2010) my automatic transmission failed. The car stopped in mid of the road when I was driving with me and family with Flashing 'D' light and check engine light on. I had to tow in the vehicle to the same dealer on Black Friday (11/26/2010). Now today dealer called me and told I have to spent around 5000$ to fix the car after loyal customer discount.
The error code which he mentioned to me are >>
P0730-automatic transmission need to be replaced
P0845-There is problem with 3rd gear pressure issue
I checked online and my car is in the list of RECALL for 'Automatic Transmission'.
I have 120K on my car. I called Honda company they told me the vehicle is not on under warranty and so they cannot help. Dealer did not fix the issue earlier when I had shown the car to him for transmission related issues. Now he is asking 4700$ to fix the same as now Check engine light is on.
Not sure should I blame the Company , the dealer or myself. :-)
There is enough blame to go around several times on this one. Let's start with the obvious culprit...HONDA.
They started having trouble with this a/t early on and it wasn't just the Odyssey but all the other Honda line that used the same a/t right up to the Acura.
For some reason I still can't fathom, when the same parts fail early and the Mnf;er is aware of it, why didn't they fix it ASAP? This same transmission was used for years with the same issues.
Ask any re-builder about the thing and they will point out the weakness and flaws ...all in the same places. Bad Clutch pack for the third gear, lack of lubrication on another gear that burns up , and a torque converter that turns to shreds and plugs up the lube flow to the entire transmission.
If you hate hanging around a/t re-build shops, just do a Youtube search for Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems and you will find all the burnt, worn out parts spread out on re-builders benches. Keep on digging with the internet and you will find more forums like this one, with the same sad story as yours. (and mine)
After years of the same complaints they did a patch up re-call to install a return line fluid mod' that re-directed some lube for the dry gears issues but never did anything to fix the rest of the weakness's in the the trans.
It is criminal that a company as big as Honda can't engineer a better a/t and get it into the rest of the model years instead of just letting it go and denying their was a problem until the whole model line is redesigned years later.
Under warranty they were putting in OEM rebuilt a/ts and guess what, with no mod's to the problem areas, they all had the SAME weaknesses! That's not just crazy, that's criminal.
For a while the amount of Honda tranny troubles were statisically higher than even Chysler mini vans and that's really saying something for an outfit that was supposted to have a reputation for quality.
Chysler never claimed that High Ground, and 'you sometimes get less than you pay for' was never truer than buying a Chysler Mini Van with their time bomb Tranny.
But Honda came out with their "Pearl Harbor" line of automatics and the company never had the decency to do the right thing or their Lawyers to admit that they knew about it, until it was too late.
Their solution is Classic Corporate cold and simple, trade it off, buy the new 2011 "Broke-Back" Odyssey.... problem $olved.
(for them