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Oil Change by counselor2 I think the official Mitsi recommendation is 3,000 miles for the 1st change, but the mechanic @ the Mitsi dealer said he would do his new Monte @ 1,000 to 1,500 miles for the 1st oil/filter change and then every 3,000 miles.
I am also considering the Mobil 1. Have you noticed any difference in performance or gas mileage yet? Is your cold start idle speed still about 1,500 rpm?
Has anyone else had a problem with the transmission slipping going into third gear on the Limited? Anyone else think the ride of the Yokohoma tires suck? Can anyone recommend a better (more smooth riding) tire?
Nope, no transmission problems. If fact this is the best tranny I have ever driven. As far as the Yok tires they actually out rated just about everything else out there except for mud use.
For most of us that probably means as an all around tire they cant really be improved on. I am looking for a winter specific tire for next year.
There was some talk here a while ago about why Mitsubishi doesn't offer a GPS navigation system to go with the LCD on the console. It turns out that they do offer it in Europe.
I was in England last week and noticed that the Montero is called "Shogun" there. This got me was curious about the European versions of the Monty so I checked th UK website at mitsubish-cars.co.uk
They have a flash website so I can't give to exact URL, but take a look at what they show for the "Shogun" 5-door model. Take a look at the "Accessories" and then select "In-car Entertainment". Sure enough, there is a navigation system. It looks pretty nice. It is supports multiple languages, so I assume that they offer it on all European models, not just in the UK.
Actually the whole UK site for the "Shogun" is pretty interesting. They also offer a wierd looking 3 door model.
Woo hoo! Now that we know nav is available for the Monty, does anybody know if we can get it here in the US? Also, what would such a setup cost as an OEM item? Any aftermarket alternatives? Thanks. --Jimmy
I think most people would agree the first oil change is the most important. I changed mine at 3000 miles (although changing it at 1500 miles is not unreasonable either). I think 7500 miles for the first oil change would be pushing it (if you don't do alot of heavy duty driving/offroading, I think 7,500 miles is ok AFTER the first oil change, personally I'm changing mine every 5,000).
This is a 34,000 plus vehicle...an oil change is 20 bucks....No way I'd wait to 7,500 on the first oil change.
I'm going to Europe later this year, I will definitly look into this one. I hate having my GPS o flying around the dash although the advantage of the hand held ones is more features.
I can download specific, detailed maps in mine. Use it for Mountain biking all the time.
You can get a nice alpine gps nav system installed. cost is 1200 plus labor. Lots of aftermarket stores like circuit city offer it. i was considering it, but will hold off. i agree w/ Brillmtb about the handhelds. much more features, and you can take it around w/ you in any other car. I haven't heard about the european models having nav on them. does anyone have a link for us to see?
Brill, I'm also a mountain biking enthusiast and I'm interested in info about the GPS you are using, how you're using it, etc. If you don't mind, please e-mail me direct at lee610@gdi.net so that we don't use this message board for topics for which it was not intended. Thanks
I have a 2001 Montero XLS that is about 6 months old. Last weekend, while it was parked in the garage, the horn started going off (steady, not the pulsating horn from the alarm). After about 15 seconds, it stopped. Then about 1/2 hour later it did it again. It has not done this since. I took the battery out and had it checked (no problem with the battery). Anyone have any ideas what caused this?
Thanks for your help.
P.S. The tool kit in the back is mightly handy. All the tools you need to remove the battery ... and about everything else.
The horn control program in the computer "performed an illegal operation and will be shut down (Error 601)" When you removed the battery a "control-alt-delete" function was performed with a reconnection default setting of "do you want to restart the computer ". You should have no more trouble until it happens again.
I have no idea what happened nor do I have any idea of what I wrote above.
However, I do think Microsoft (or the Japanese equivalent of same) wrote the computer programming and no one is allowed to question why things happen the way they do.
Responding to your post from a few days back, I have not yet noticed a difference in gas mileage from the switch to Mobil 1. Gas mileage is still very disappointing (although not surprising for city driving, frequently with 5+ occupants) -- ranging from a low of 10 mpg when using AWD extensively to about 12.5 mpg in RWD. I am hoping that with the return of warmer weather to Chicago, mpg goes up a bit. As for cold start idle speed, in park it hovers just below 1,000 rpm, but I had not checked it before the oil change, so I don't know if the Mobil 1 had an impact on that. I still haven't had the Monte on an extended road trip and am eager to see what kind of mileage I get on the highway.
I just started using Castrol syntec. While I never get below 15mpg even in city driving I did this with regular oil as well. Perhaps a little too early for me to tell.
WoW! counselor2, only 12.5 mpg in RWD. I dont this I got that low when I spent a week in 4wd in the snow, all city driving.
I'm still surprised that my big ol' Monty gets better mileage than my 98 JGC Laredo (17 mixed driving vs. 15.5). But beware of what the on board computers say. On my Jeep recently it said I was getting 17.5 in mostly highway driving, but needed to fill up around 300 miles, which took about 20 gallons. Now even a math dunce like me can figure out that I'm only getting about 15mpg (muliple fill-ups). However, my Monty's computer appears to be pretty accurate.
This has also been mentioned in the Sequoia boards, where the OBC was giving a readout of some 3mpg higher than what owners were actually getting. So take out your calculator when you fill up and double check what the computer tells you. --Jimmy
Hey there just bought a 2001 monty XLS with 10,200 miles on it for $25,500 is that a gooddeal. Als where is everyone getting the after market parts at. Looking for the foglights, K&N Airfilter, rear spoiler, bugshield and the winddeflector fot the sunroof if any one knows the best and cheapest place to by parts please post.
Thanks for the post. The 1000rpm is a more reasonable cold idle speed. When I drop mine in R @1500rpm in the garage I really have to hold the brake down. Can't be too good for the trany either. The Mitsi service rep. told me 1500rpm is normal, but I think he was winging it like on other answers he has given. Does anybody know what the cold start idle rpm should be?
I still have not found a way to have fog lights and high beams on at the same time for country road driving. Those fog lights do a great job lighting the side of the road.
I dont know if the others want to hear this but it does have some crossover if people want GPS's
I have a Garmin IIIplus, still the best one I believe. I have two different programs for it. One allows you to input topo maps into the GPS for the area you are in then you get great detail. The other is a program where you can design routes on your computer and download to the GPS and/or you can bring back routes your GPS stored and plot them on your computer to see where the heck you have been.
I'm not sure if one program today does both of these functions as well as these two. Im at work so I will have to get the names of the programs later if you wish.
I wish the GPS units had more memory to store more topo maps but they dont. Perhaps in the future they will add more megabites, look for this as this is key.
I have a handlebar mount on my Y-33 (had to throw in a little bike info). You can set the unit to "drop a crum" every so many feet or seconds. That allows you to plot your route and you can "track back".. again this is key if you get lost.
Ever been in the slick rock area in the canyons and turn around and go ?hit which canyon did I come from.....I have. Track back allows you to re trace your route and now that the Military variation is turned off the accuracy of these GPS's are now down to feet.
OK, for the rest of you non-bikers....
In the car I find my laptop the way to go, bigger screen, I can load additional maps, have imediate access to the programs above, can see my position as I move across the terrain and you dont wear your batteries down. The GPS hooks into the laptop and feeds position info to the computer mapping program. You can also look at the GPS screen for all the data it presents (altitude, speed, distance, ave speed, direction, distance to future way points, etc)
brill, I second your choice of the Garmin GPSIII+. I got mine about a year ago to use on my boat. Since then the price has dropped to under $300. And, as you point out, you can by CD-ROMs that contain additional maps that are typically targeted at particular uses. For instance, I got one that contains charts with locations of harbors, lights, etc. The extra CD-ROMs run about $60 or so. You just hook the GPS unit up to your computer, pop in the CD-ROM and install. You can also buy separate mapping programs for your computer, such as one that Maptech makes. But, I think that it's a lot easier just to put some double-sided velcro tape on the bottom of the GPSIII+ (which can lie flat) and on the dashboard and put the unit in your line of vision than it is to try to keep a laptop steady and look away to read it. For anyone interested in GPS units and CD-ROM maps, many on-line marine supply stores have huge selections. Check out www.sailnet.com, www.boatus.com, or www.westmarine.com.
But, I still think that the best solution would be for Mitsu to offer an integrated GPS with the screen that's already in the vehicle, as they apparently do in the Shogun. Also, why couldn't they put in a CD/DVD-ROM drive where the current CD player is that would permit you to use CD-ROMs for the GPS? Granted, this would appreciably increase costs (the Nav option on the Acura MDX costs about $2k, I think), but why couldn't Mitsu also offer a similar option? And, as long as I'm shooting for the moon, an in-dash DVD player could be hooked up to an overhead screen mounted aft of the sunroof. It shouldn't be that hard to do.
>>I still have not found a way to have fog lights and high beams on at the same time <<
Clay... I know your not going to like my response, sorry. Your first post suggested ath you like to use Fogs with low beams as a default. But they are called fog lights because the are meant to be used in poor visibility condidtions only. It used to be that authorities would ticket you for using them during other times but unfortunatley those days are long gone.
The problem is that for many people (me included) fog lights from other vehicles cause an unbelievable Glare in vision. For me, fog light from other vehicles is actually worse that getting hit with High Beams.
Therefore, those of us with this vision problems would surely appreciate if people would only use Fog Lights when they are really required.
I didn't respond the first time since I knew this would sound "Preachy". But maybe this is something people should be aware of.
>>. Anyone else noticed this amazing phenomenon?<<
To be honest, NO -LOL.
Still just a temporary jump seat for kids IMO. But that's all I needed so I'm fine with it. For real comfort in the third row, it's still a fact that Vans are the only good option. Again, IMO. If it suits your needs, that's great.
Just purchased a 2001 Montero XLS with leather package. Bought as a demo with 19,000 miles. Purchase price $26,995. Is this a good deal? Really enjoying this SUV!! I've owned Cherokees, Grand Cherokees, and Pathfinder in the past. Montero is by far the best. Does everyone use premium fuel?
demo's are not great in my opinion. they are not tested or intended for automotive authority purposes. 19k mi. is alot of miles for some testin. They are miles raked up by corporate officers such as the owner of a dealership, or the general manager, right down to the avg. sales rep of the dealership. I dought they know anything about automotive authority. I've heard stories of these guys truly abusing these vehicles. meaning they rev up the cars roughly, and handle them rough...yet its not visible. the only thing that will determine this will be after a long term of use of the vehicle.
I have been reading this board for quite a while and have almost decided on a Limited. The dealer has a preowned used by a Mitsubishi manager or something like that. It has 12,000 miles on it. They are selling it for $30,000. I thought that was good. I really like the car...I have really considered the MDX ( my only other option) but am worried about it's durability for off-road(although it's a lot more finished inside and has a lot more comforable third row seat). So, does anyone have an opinion about $30,000 for 12,000 miles? Thanks!!!
Here in SoCal we have been using ARCO 87 octane for over 12,000 miles now without any problems. (One time I did fill up with 92 octane, but didn't notice any diffence.
Millage/gallon has always been around 17+ on the hiway driving 70-75-80 mph. Last trip wife drove 150 miles at average speeds that were lower and increased to 19+ mpg. Either lower speed makes a big difference, or engine is just getting broken in.
PS - to those of you in SoCal.
The spring wild California poppies are spectacular up in the Antelope Valley west of Lancaster. Not so much at the Poppie Reserve on Ave. L but in the hills northeast of it and at the base of the Tehatchapi Mountains to the northwest.
Head north up the high voltage power line road about 2-3 miles to the east of the preserve (good dirt road)and turn left (west) when you reach the next paved road. Continue west about 5 miles, then turn to the north when you see the fields in the distance (don't drive off the roads and smash the flowers). Some of these roads are a little sandy, so you can use 4WD.
The color is so intense, it appears to be "false colorization"
PHOnos, White/Silver 2001 Montero Ltd, rear A/C, purchased August 2000, build date July, $34,500 (no extras, darn!)+ TTL, 4.9% for 48 months, Orange County, CA.
What mileage do you get around the city and what do you usually get for gas mileage on the highway? I am almost ready to buy but with higher gas prices I am a little worried. I plan to buy a Limited.
Thanks for looking when you get a chance. The dealer quoted list price of $123.for the Monte 2001 maintenance manual(hope to get a discount, but not sure what a good price is on these). Is this a good price and manual or are there better after market manuals?
My Mitsi service manager still says 1500 rpm is correct for cold engine after checking with mechanics.
Another reason to use 87 (R+M)/2 Octane fuel. (Except for Drew).
"Rumours that gasoline could hit $3 per gallon in parts of the United States this summer grew considerably louder Thursday with a published report that gas station owners are stocking up on the numeral 3 for their signs."
Photo3, From the mpg on my first 2000 miles, I expect to get 16-17 mpg around town with some highway miles and 19-20 mpg with all highway miles and maximum speed of 70 mph.
Phonos, After 2 months of trying to get a straight answer from the dealer. The Mitsi service manager found the gasoline specification in the Montero 2001 Service Manuals (4 Volume Set)The value referenced in the manual is for a Minimum of 87 octane using (RON+MON)/2, which is what the USA pumps use for the rating gasoline octane. RON = Research Octane Number? MON = Motor Octane Number. The confusion starts when they state "Premium Fuel Recommended" (does not state required). Bottom line using high quality regular is O.K., but mixing some mid range or using mid-range may be on the safe side. This is clearly written in section 00-33 of the Montero Service Manual. Finally an official (in writing) answer and not somebody's opinion. It also states if octane rated by RON use 91 octane, that's probably where the confusion got started.
I have been using premium 92 octane, but I plan to switch to a high quality mid-range 89 octane (almost the same price as 87 octane in NW Idaho).
They will sell the 4 Manual Set for $96., so I am going to order a set for future questions. They look very detailed.
geeeeez, I have the shop manuals and didnt even think to look there. As you know I gave some info I had heard indicating that gas in Japan is rated differently and could account for the English translation that we need "premium" when actually our regular or mid grade may do what "premium" does for Japanese cars/trucks.
I want to thank you for pointing out that this info is in the shop manual. Now I will have to find it and the request for cold idle speed setting.
I was hoping to hear back from a friend who is in Japan as to the equation on the Japanese pumps which would have pointed out the very thing you have found, that by using RON vs MON vs RON+MON/2 you are talking apples and oranges.
Now that we all know that 87 ((RON+MON)/2) octane is apparently OK to use in the 2001 Montero, here is the opinion of the FTC regarding benefits (actually, the lack thereof) of using higher octane.
". . . in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner."
"The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel."
"Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too."
"Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need."
I am thinking of purchasing a new 2001 Montero. I like to change the oil myself. But, when I looked at how to get to the filter on the Montero I may have to re-think that regular little chore. Anyone have any experience/guidance (or comments) on changing the oil filter out on the 2001 Montero? It did not look easy - which was a major drawback for me. I'm used to a very easy oil change on my Trooper.
Phonos, I am in CA also, and the other week I went to the poppy reserve. We have a great fun time going up and down those hill. The Montero is very impressive in uneven terrain. Quiet and rock solid, and the suppension works like spider legs. But the funny thing is very slight surface roughness does shake it. I enjoy the flower and my Montero very much.
rsrogers, I changed the oil on my limited regularly. It is not hard. No need to jack the car up, but you better have 2 catch pan and a oil filter wrench to make the job cleaner.
Just bought a new 2001 Montero Limited yesterday. Silver with black interior. Just about went crazy trying to deside which SUV to buy. The Montero won out with it's fold away 3rd seat and sun roof. Looked at the new Fords and Mercs but the 3rd seat doesn't lay flat when it's down. Also didn't look as well made to me. Other SUVs were just so high in price. The Accura MDX might have been better but it's $5500 more then the Montero. It also takes 3 months to get. My deal was $32,000 this is well below invoice so I feel like I got a good deal.
Has anyone installed a rear air deflector on their new Montero? I installed the sun roof air deflector. Very easy and a highly recommended addition. I just received the rear air deflector and the installation seems pretty straight forward. However there is one problem. The installation calls for a "Riv Tool" which is not included. This item seems to be necessary to install the riv nuts. The riv tool has a Misubishi part number. So I called mitsupartsdirect.com to get a price on the tool. The sales representative quoted me a price of $519 and change. I told him that he must be mistaken. He confirmed that $519 was the correct price for a riv tool. That seems very unreasonable for a tool that is only needeed for 3 nuts. Am I missing something here? Anybody have any ideas or insight? I would like to install the air deflector. Not at that cost though. I'd hate to pay the dealer to do something that I should be able to do myself.
>>". . . in most cases, using a higher octane "...in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner."
"The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel."<<<
I completely agree with the first Quote and completely dissagree with the second.
Many enginges have a management system that will compensate when you use lower than required octanes. In that case, you will not hear "Knocking" and you will NOT know if you are causing the Management System to compensate.
My rule of thumb is to use the required octane. NO MORE NO LESS. The explainations on this have been helpful but I'm afraid the real question still has not been answered which is very frustrating. Mitsu should do a better job here. Dealer personel just tell you to use the Cheapest because it's in their best interest. I just want the right answer.
Does anybody have any experience with the current crop of aftermarket, high performance, headlight bulbs? Recommendations? Pros/Cons? Will the Montero handle higher wattage bulbs without damage? Also, does anyone know of any custom fit, heavy duty floor mats for the 2001 Montero?
I had a great article on head lights but not sure I still have it laying around. They claimed that replacing factory lights with those "Blue" things won't improve visibility or distance. They only change the look. If your vehicle wasn't desinged for them, they don't help or so they said. They also gave a web site to purchase all kinds of lights. The web site confirmed what the article claimed.
I'll look for the web site and report back if I find it.
Does your new Limited have rear air? That sounds like a great deal!! I think I will try for it instead of buying one slightly used. Do you live in San Diego area? Which dealer did you use? How do you like it? I also liked the MDX but...it just wasn't a Montero.
My owners manual says to use 91 RON so thats what I use I figured if I drive 1600 miles a month which I don't but,I live in oregon and 87 is 1.53 and 92 is 1.74 it would cost me 19.74 more a month to use 92 which if fine with me. Thats a extreme example, for the most part thats 19000 miles a year. it kills me to see people stand in line to save 2Cents maybe because I can't seem to find the patients. If 10 to 20 dollars a month is to much of a stretch maybe a toyota rave or a honda CRV or any other mini suv would be a wise choice. my point is that 20cents a gallon or 236.00 dollars a year when your driving a montero should'nt be a big deal.This is only my opinion not a judgement agaist anyone here.
My Montero Limited does not have the rear air or the automatic climate system. Didn't realize that was an option until I read the manual. I think that adds $500 or so to the price. Might make a difference in extreme weather but so far it's no big deal. I live in North Carolina. Bought the Montero in Rocky Mount NC. Don't know how prices are everywhere else. Edmonds puts a True Market Value of $35,000 on the Suv. So I feel I got a real good deal. This was the only Montero they had on the lot. They had several Montero Sports. After reading all the posts and driving the Montero I think I made the best choice. The looks take a while to get used to but it's growing on me.
I finally changed the bulbs on the headlights. Ordered the HID blue tint xenon lights. Cost was 20 bucks a pair.....got them off of e-bay. Only thing is that they are made in korea....and aren't true xenons when comparing them to other cars that come w/ factory installed xenons. I compared them to my acura TL...which has xenons as a std. opttion.......the acura's were more whiter and brighter. I went w/ the highest wattage (100/60 as opposed to the original 60/40). Make sure you go w/ the HB2's when ordering them, and yes, the 2001's are capable of handling them. They definitely do look better than the original mitsu bulbs....they are alot whiter/bluer....and i think they do a really great job....makes the truck look more up to date! They really do look like xenons when not being compared to real xenons, and the added wattage makes for a better, brighter view. 20 bucks is a whole lot cheaper than paying 2000 bucks for a real retro fit xenon system....IMO. I'd recommend it for everyone that drives a 2001 Monty.
are you still as happy with your Limited purchase as you were the first day?
I've been sitting back quietly and reading the postings. My husband and I have been looking at SUV's for the past 6 months or so and seriously looked at the MDX, RX 300 and the Sequoia. It was only after a co-worker mentioned the Limited that I took a look at it, and absoutely loved it.
It definitly has more off road capability than the MDX and RX 300 for when we go to the Outer Banks and yet still has a luxurious interior.
By the way, what are the running boards like? Are they the same as the Sport? Our dealership said they are the same as the Sport, but they weren't real confident when they said it.
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I think the official Mitsi recommendation is 3,000 miles for the 1st change, but the mechanic @ the Mitsi dealer said he would do his new Monte @ 1,000 to 1,500 miles for the 1st oil/filter change and then every 3,000 miles.
I am also considering the Mobil 1. Have you noticed any difference in performance or gas mileage yet? Is your cold start idle speed still about 1,500 rpm?
Thanks for the info, but how come the Mitsu. book says 7500 for the first oil change? is it dangerous to wait that long?
Nope, no transmission problems. If fact this is the best tranny I have ever driven. As far as the Yok tires they actually out rated just about everything else out there except for mud use.
For most of us that probably means as an all around tire they cant really be improved on. I am looking for a winter specific tire for next year.
I was in England last week and noticed that the Montero is called "Shogun" there. This got me was curious about the European versions of the Monty so I checked th UK website at mitsubish-cars.co.uk
They have a flash website so I can't give to exact URL, but take a look at what they show for the "Shogun" 5-door model. Take a look at the "Accessories" and then select "In-car Entertainment". Sure enough, there is a navigation system. It looks pretty nice. It is supports multiple languages, so I assume that they offer it on all European models, not just in the UK.
Actually the whole UK site for the "Shogun" is pretty interesting. They also offer a wierd looking 3 door model.
I think most people would agree the first oil change is the most important. I changed mine at 3000 miles (although changing it at 1500 miles is not unreasonable either). I think 7500 miles for the first oil change would be pushing it (if you don't do alot of heavy duty driving/offroading, I think 7,500 miles is ok AFTER the first oil change, personally I'm changing mine every 5,000).
This is a 34,000 plus vehicle...an oil change is 20 bucks....No way I'd wait to 7,500 on the first oil change.
I can download specific, detailed maps in mine. Use it for Mountain biking all the time.
Thanks for the post
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/
They have several interesting options listed under the "shogun". Worth a look see.
I have a 2001 Montero XLS that is about 6 months old. Last weekend, while it was parked in the garage, the horn started going off (steady, not the pulsating horn from the alarm). After about 15 seconds, it stopped. Then about 1/2 hour later it did it again. It has not done this since. I took the battery out and had it checked (no problem with the battery). Anyone have any ideas what caused this?
Thanks for your help.
P.S. The tool kit in the back is mightly handy. All the tools you need to remove the battery ... and about everything else.
I have no idea what happened nor do I have any idea of what I wrote above.
However, I do think Microsoft (or the Japanese equivalent of same) wrote the computer programming and no one is allowed to question why things happen the way they do.
WoW! counselor2, only 12.5 mpg in RWD. I dont this I got that low when I spent a week in 4wd in the snow, all city driving.
This has also been mentioned in the Sequoia boards, where the OBC was giving a readout of some 3mpg higher than what owners were actually getting. So take out your calculator when you fill up and double check what the computer tells you. --Jimmy
I still have not found a way to have fog lights and high beams on at the same time for country road driving. Those fog lights do a great job lighting the side of the road.
Thanks for any help!
Mitsi genuine parts web site < http://www.mitsubishi-accessories.com/index.asp > seems to be pretty good price wise.
I have a Garmin IIIplus, still the best one I believe. I have two different programs for it. One allows you to input topo maps into the GPS for the area you are in then you get great detail. The other is a program where you can design routes on your computer and download to the GPS and/or you can bring back routes your GPS stored and plot them on your computer to see where the heck you have been.
I'm not sure if one program today does both of these functions as well as these two. Im at work so I will have to get the names of the programs later if you wish.
I wish the GPS units had more memory to store more topo maps but they dont. Perhaps in the future they will add more megabites, look for this as this is key.
I have a handlebar mount on my Y-33 (had to throw in a little bike info). You can set the unit to "drop a crum" every so many feet or seconds. That allows you to plot your route and you can "track back".. again this is key if you get lost.
Ever been in the slick rock area in the canyons and turn around and go ?hit which canyon did I come from.....I have. Track back allows you to re trace your route and now that the Military variation is turned off the accuracy of these GPS's are now down to feet.
OK, for the rest of you non-bikers....
In the car I find my laptop the way to go, bigger screen, I can load additional maps, have imediate access to the programs above, can see my position as I move across the terrain and you dont wear your batteries down. The GPS hooks into the laptop and feeds position info to the computer mapping program. You can also look at the GPS screen for all the data it presents (altitude, speed, distance, ave speed, direction, distance to future way points, etc)
Anything else I can answer?
But, I still think that the best solution would be for Mitsu to offer an integrated GPS with the screen that's already in the vehicle, as they apparently do in the Shogun. Also, why couldn't they put in a CD/DVD-ROM drive where the current CD player is that would permit you to use CD-ROMs for the GPS? Granted, this would appreciably increase costs (the Nav option on the Acura MDX costs about $2k, I think), but why couldn't Mitsu also offer a similar option? And, as long as I'm shooting for the moon, an in-dash DVD player could be hooked up to an overhead screen mounted aft of the sunroof. It shouldn't be that hard to do.
Clay... I know your not going to like my response, sorry. Your first post suggested ath you like to use Fogs with low beams as a default. But they are called fog lights because the are meant to be used in poor visibility condidtions only. It used to be that authorities would ticket you for using them during other times but unfortunatley those days are long gone.
The problem is that for many people (me included) fog lights from other vehicles cause an unbelievable Glare in vision. For me, fog light from other vehicles is actually worse that getting hit with High Beams.
Therefore, those of us with this vision problems would surely appreciate if people would only use Fog Lights when they are really required.
I didn't respond the first time since I knew this would sound "Preachy". But maybe this is something people should be aware of.
Drew
To be honest, NO -LOL.
Still just a temporary jump seat for kids IMO. But that's all I needed so I'm fine with it. For real comfort in the third row, it's still a fact that Vans are the only good option. Again, IMO. If it suits your needs, that's great.
Best of Luck
Drew
Thanks!!!
So, yes, it's not a bad deal.
Millage/gallon has always been around 17+ on the hiway driving 70-75-80 mph. Last trip wife drove 150 miles at average speeds that were lower and increased to 19+ mpg. Either lower speed makes a big difference, or engine is just getting broken in.
PS - to those of you in SoCal.
The spring wild California poppies are spectacular up in the Antelope Valley west of Lancaster. Not so much at the Poppie Reserve on Ave. L but in the hills northeast of it and at the base of the Tehatchapi Mountains to the northwest.
Head north up the high voltage power line road about 2-3 miles to the east of the preserve (good dirt road)and turn left (west) when you reach the next paved road. Continue west about 5 miles, then turn to the north when you see the fields in the distance (don't drive off the roads and smash the flowers). Some of these roads are a little sandy, so you can use 4WD.
The color is so intense, it appears to be "false colorization"
PHOnos, White/Silver 2001 Montero Ltd, rear A/C, purchased August 2000, build date July, $34,500 (no extras, darn!)+ TTL, 4.9% for 48 months, Orange County, CA.
My Mitsi service manager still says 1500 rpm is correct for cold engine after checking with mechanics.
"Rumours that gasoline could hit $3 per gallon in parts of the United States this summer grew considerably louder Thursday with a published report that gas station owners are stocking up on the numeral 3 for their signs."
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Just yanking your chain Drew, please forgive me.
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From the mpg on my first 2000 miles, I expect to get 16-17 mpg around town with some highway miles and 19-20 mpg with all highway miles and maximum speed of 70 mph.
2001 full size Montero Ltd.
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I have been using premium 92 octane, but I plan to switch to a high quality mid-range 89 octane (almost the same price as 87 octane in NW Idaho).
They will sell the 4 Manual Set for $96., so I am going to order a set for future questions. They look very detailed.
I want to thank you for pointing out that this info is in the shop manual. Now I will have to find it and the request for cold idle speed setting.
I was hoping to hear back from a friend who is in Japan as to the equation on the Japanese pumps which would have pointed out the very thing you have found, that by using RON vs MON vs RON+MON/2 you are talking apples and oranges.
thanks again.
". . . in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner."
"The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel."
"Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too."
"Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need."
Link:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm
rsrogers, I changed the oil on my limited regularly. It is not hard. No need to jack the car up, but you better have 2 catch pan and a oil filter wrench to make the job cleaner.
"The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel."<<<
I completely agree with the first Quote and completely dissagree with the second.
Many enginges have a management system that will compensate when you use lower than required octanes. In that case, you will not hear "Knocking" and you will NOT know if you are causing the Management System to compensate.
My rule of thumb is to use the required octane. NO MORE NO LESS. The explainations on this have been helpful but I'm afraid the real question still has not been answered which is very frustrating. Mitsu should do a better job here. Dealer personel just tell you to use the Cheapest because it's in their best interest. I just want the right answer.
Drew
Also, does anyone know of any custom fit, heavy duty floor mats for the 2001 Montero?
I'll look for the web site and report back if I find it.
drew
How do you like it?
I also liked the MDX but...it just wasn't a Montero.
I live in North Carolina. Bought the Montero in Rocky Mount NC. Don't know how prices are everywhere else. Edmonds puts a True Market Value of $35,000 on the Suv. So I feel I got a real good deal. This was the only Montero they had on the lot. They had several Montero Sports.
After reading all the posts and driving the Montero I think I made the best choice. The looks take a while to get used to but it's growing on me.
I've been sitting back quietly and reading the postings. My husband and I have been looking at SUV's for the past 6 months or so and seriously looked at the MDX, RX 300 and the Sequoia. It was only after a co-worker mentioned the Limited that I took a look at it, and absoutely loved it.
It definitly has more off road capability than the MDX and RX 300 for when we go to the Outer Banks and yet still has a luxurious interior.
By the way, what are the running boards like? Are they the same as the Sport? Our dealership said they are the same as the Sport, but they weren't real confident when they said it.
Thanks in advance for the input.