Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • jeepgc3jeepgc3 Member Posts: 3
    My wife's 2001 Subaru Forester accelerated two times on it's own. The first time was thought to be human error, the second time there was three people who witnessed this. Applying the brakes stopped the car but the rpm's remained high until she put the automatic transmission into park. Has this problem occurred to anyone else? The dealer checked it out once and found no problem, the car is currently in the shop being checked again.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bob: the light pressure turbo Forester have 168hp, which isn't enough to differentiate them from the 2.5l engine now standard.

    Hopefully, that means we'll get the full 227hp from the WRX. NOW you're talking!

    jeepgc3: first I've heard of anything like that on a Forester. Have the dealer test the ECU, and check the throttle cable for slack. I think the idle is set automatically, so it's likely a problem with the ECU.

    -juice
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    jeepgc3 -- never heard of it myself. However, I do recall that in Japan some older model Legacys had some problems with unexpected acceleration. I believe that problem was limited to a particular model year(s) and has long since been corrected.

    Wonder if it's something with the throttle body.

    Ken
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    When does the acceleration occur? If it occurs in the minute or so after start up, it may have to do with the warming up of the engine which does cause a bit of a surprise, paricularly under very cold conditions. Typically, the engine will run itself up to about 2500rpm as if it had a choke wide open. Check this before getting too excited

    Cheers

    Graham
  • tbavistbavis Member Posts: 7
    Had the throttle stick open on my '73 Subaru once, and also on my '80 VW. They both had two throttle valves, one directly controlled by the throttle cable (gas pedal), the second opened at about 75% of full throttle. The second throttle doesn't get a lot of use and can bind - bad news if it sticks open! A little carburetor cleaner and silicone spray fixed it - something I learned to do on a regular basis...
  • cin4cin4 Member Posts: 30
    I need to get the windows on my Forester tinted before we head into our next Texas summer. The little bit of sun we've had in the short time I've had the vehicle make the interior feel like a greenhouse; I don't want to know what it would feel like on one of our 100+ deg. days! Does anyone have any advice/experience on type and brand of tint?
  • don4341don4341 Member Posts: 69
    Have about $45,000 waiting for a quality SUV that will fit my large frame AND has a lot of seat height. My wife and I loved the fit and finish of the 2001 Forester but it was too small.
    Has anyone heard that in the 02 or 03 model year they may put out a model about the size of a GM Yukon? Willing to pay more for quality but what I want/need doesn`t exist. Have owned 4 Suburbans but desire something about Yukon size. Need a good bit of R O O M !
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    You'd probably have to wait a lot longer for that. If anything, due to the GM-Subaru deal, you may see a large Subaru SUV built by GM.

    How about a Toyota Sequoia???

    -TonyL
  • tinindianatinindiana Member Posts: 46
    We bought our new Forester about 4 weeks ago and we love it! I plan on taking extreme care of this vehicle and want to make sure it is maintained properly. Our dealer is about 30 miles away which makes it not so convenient for maintenance scheduling. However, I will do the oil changes, transmission fluid changes, spark splugs, and other relatively simple things myself. If I do this and take the car in lets say, at the 30,000 mark rather than every 7,500 or so, will this be enough or will I be missing out on something very important. To me, fluid changes and good spark plugs seem to be the key to longevity. Any help is appreciated!
  • michiganjimmichiganjim Member Posts: 1
    I've been perusing the boards for a while now, although I just now registered. I'm looking at buying a new Forester S and have driven a 2000 Outback, but I've heard of a major redesign for 2002. Does anyone have any inside info (or even some nearly substantiated rumors) about the Forester's new looks/performance/interior?? I think they'll hit the dealers in late spring or early summer. I keep flipflopping on which model to buy. First it was the Outback. Then, due to the cost, the Legacy GT. Then, due to the cost again and for cargo-carrying, the Forester. I've even thought of just a sporty Impreza 2.5 coupe or sedan. However, after just getting slammed with 40 inches of snow in Michigan's thumb area, I'm right back to the Forester due to its higher ground (or snow) clearance. I must admit, I looked seriously at the Hyundai Santa Fe, but it's a first year model and I'm scared of that. Anyway, any dope on the 2K2 Forester would be great, since I think I'll wind up waiting until summer.
  • fablayoutfablayout Member Posts: 1
    Please inform me of this deal. First I have heard of it. I love my Forester S Premium but if GM has it's hands in the Subaru soup I will keep this vehicle for only the warranty period and go back the Toyota. I tried to talk to them about the lousy product and shifty dealer who sold me the product but they would not listen. Told me to get a lawyer and good luck. I try my best to stay away from anything they are are connected to.
    Sorry for the venting but it happens when I see GM. Even 16 years after the fact.
  • dpgcwgdpgcwg Member Posts: 4
    I picked up my Forester S premium last night and so far I love it. I have a total of about 40 miles on it so it is really new. The salesman indicated that there was nothing special that I had to do to break-in the car but I still wonder. Are there any suggestions regarding how to break it in? Any ideas will be appreciated.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    is scheduled for a 2003 makeover, not 2002.

    Bob
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    Don't run away yet. GM owns only 20% of Subaru, mostly to get in on Subaru's engine and AWD technology. I agree, however, with your concern. Before Subaru, I was a Mazda believer. Then Ford bought 50% (or so) of Mazda, taught Ford Econimics 101, and voila, in ten years all of the joint Ford/Mazda vehicles have spotty quality - I know, I owned one. Ford Dealerships, as well, were not a place for a former true Mazda owner. It's too bad, just think if the Tribute was all Mazda - I might be driving one - although I like my Forester very much.

    But don't worry too much...GM needed something they could'nt do themselves in the timeframe they needed it - so they bought it.

    -TonyL
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    Congrats on the purchase and welcome to the forums. For the 1st 1000 miles, no quick starts, keep engine RPMS below 4000, and when driving on the highway, vary your speed (i.e., 55 - 65, or downshift a gear). Definitely no cruise control.
    Also, easy on the brake pedal except in emergencies.

    Do read the Owner's Manual, the break-in stuff above is specified, along with lots of other usefull stuff...enjoy

    -TonyL
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Tint: I got SolarGard 35% dyed film installed on the 7 windows (all but windshield) for $170.

    Though some people swear by metallic films by 3M. They are more expensive though.

    The real key is the installation. Make sure they do a good job and guarantee it. Ask to see cars they did, then look for bubbles and peeling to see if they did it well.

    Size of a Yukon? Try big SUVs like the Sequoia, Trooper, 4Runner, maybe Highlander. The new Montero, too.

    Tom: you sound like an enthused DIYer. That's great, I'm the same way.

    You can probably handle everything up to the 60k service. In that period, you'll do oil and filter, air filter, fuel filter, tire rotations, brake checks and cleanings, PCV valve, spark plugs, coolant flush, etc. Nothing you can't handle. The AWD is sealed and maintenance-free.

    The only thing I can't do is an alignment and the timing belt.

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Tint- I don't think the brand matters much but I'd get a metal tint if you plan on keeping your Forester for the long haul. The big knock against the dyed tints is that they tend to change to a purple color after several years. Regardless, Juice is right that the most improtant factor is a quality install.

    DIY maintenance- By all means, if you're good at it, save yourself a chunk of cash and do it yourself. Just follow the service recmeendations in your owners manual and keep all receipts for materials (in case you ever have a warranty issue).

    Subaru & GM - Don't trade your Forester! GM only acquired part of Subaru last summer so current models are pure Subaru. Your Forester is also made in Japan. It remains to be seen how much influence GM will have going into the future but all of us Subaru fans are hoping that GM takes a hands-off approach.

    Forester Makeover- Is rumored to be scheduled for calendar year 2002 (model year 2003).

    -Frank P.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Dave: During the break-in period, you simply want to avoid any high stress to the engine until all the seals and parts become better seated. High stress is kind of subjective but keeping the engine revs below 4,000 RPM is a good measure. Also, it's not driving at a constant speed, but at a constant RPM that isn't favorable. You ideally want to allow the engine to operate at a wide range of RPMs during the break-in period.

    Also, don't forget that tires also have a break-in period until they get they break their factory molds and provide the designed grip. I believe 500 miles should be enough. Just use common sense and don't tailgate the person in front of you.

    Most importantly, enjoy your pristine new vehicle! It's as shiny and new as it will ever be.

    --
    Tinting: Defintely shop around. I had 20% Madico Premium metallic films applied to my Forester (all windows behind the driver) for about $220. I found that prices would vary by as much as $50.

    Also, juice is right about finding a shop that is committed to do the job right. Applying a big sheet of film is a tricky job. Make sure the shop will honor any re-work if they botch the job. I found a tiny, tiny air bubble in one of my windows and they redid it right away.

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    This link was shared in another topic, but I found it so interesting I had to repeat it here (thanks to Dennis for finding it):

    http://www.subaru.co.nz/rally_content.html

    Go down the the Forester reconnaisance. Sweet!

    A bone-stock, 2.5l Forester L, just add skid plates and a roll bar.

    -juice
  • cin4cin4 Member Posts: 30
    Thanks for the input on tinting. I did some research and was leaning toward Solar Guard Quantum (all metallic.) It comes with a great manufacturer warranty, and one of the shops I contacted also gives their own warranty - important, since I plan to keep it for at least 10 years. Their installation quality looks great, the price is right, so I guess it's a go.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Cool! Please share photos when it's done!

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Another tip - there is a Window Tinting topic. Those guys have all kinds of info and quotes. The history shows what lots and lots of people paid, too.

    -juice
  • sbyrumsbyrum Member Posts: 7
    I currently have a '98 Jeep Cherokee that I'll be returning in May (I'll NEVER lease again!) 'Cause of problems, I definately don't want another Jeep or an Explorer with their problems. I'm definately interested in purchasing the Forrester but would like to know - is it really good off-road? Edmunds doesn't seem to think so (check out their 'Pros & Cons'), but I own mountain property and need to get up steep gravelly inclines, including 'slippery clay when wet conditions' and deep snow. I want something that's safe. Your feedback is greatly appreciated!
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Sharlene,

    The Forester has been designed for light offroad duty. That means it won't do a Rubicon trail, but it will handle rutted dirt roads, snow, mud and sand suprisingly well. You can see some photos of how far people have taken their Foresters at:

    http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/subaruforester

    It's probably best to think of the Forester as a car that has been given a beefed up suspension and AWD. It doesn't have the approach and departure angle of trucks nor does it offer low gearing and the ability to lock you differentials. There is 7.5" of ground clearance, however.

    The best thing you could do is see if a dealer is willing to let you take a Forester for an extended drive where you can put it through your daily routine.

    Hope that helps,

    Ken
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sharlene: sounds like a fun place to drive a Forester!

    I've had mine on some hay ride trails at local orchards, and hit the beach, too. It really held its own, and though a lot of people didn't seem to think it could make it, I proved them wrong.

    The question is, how steep? Did you NEED the low range on your Jeep? If 4WD Hi was enough, the Forester will be fine.

    If you need extra clearance, you can get taller springs for about $400. The guys in the Yahoo Forester club have them and they're the ones that go dune-hopping every weekend.

    As for safety, Forester is tops. It's the only small SUV to get a "Good" rating from IIHS, and safety features include up to 4 air bags, seat belts with pre-tensioners and force limiters, crumple zones, ABS standard, full-time AWD standard, side impact beams, the works.

    Get the rear differential protector. It's very sturdy.

    -juice
  • johlerjohler Member Posts: 3
    Our Forrester was in an accident and the AIR BAGS did not deploy nor did the seat belts apparently hold the person securely in the seat. The result was a concussion with visible markings on my wife"s forehead where she hil the windshield. The windshield did not break. Police and EMTS at the site felt that the air bags should have depolyed. The insurance adjuster states that the unibody is bent and or distorted (6 h shop time allowed) and that the air bags should have depolyed in this frontal offset accident. The seat belts apparently do not have pretensioners, as on the Outback.
    Beware the ABS brake system failure in cold weather---Unfortunately we live in the northeast and a questioning if the system failed since she lightly applied brakes due to slush on roadway.
    Has anyone had a similar experience.
    Is this vehicle as safe as advertised???????
  • gossamargossamar Member Posts: 106
    Well, after lurking on this forum for awhile, and watching the posts inputting all the data, the wife unit and I took the plunge and got a 2001 Forester S, Blue with Titianium accent. We got for $500.00 over invoice. Has feature group IV, III, premium sound III, and a rear spoiler. The wife LOVES the heated seats. What are some of the popular add-ons people out there are doing? Have a couple in mind, but don't think I can convince her of the "need". The salesguy also warned us about the "jiffy-lube" places draining the tranny instead of the oil. He has had 3 in the past few months to replace motors and such for this error. Also warned about making sure fuel cap was on tight to avoid the engine light coming on. Any other quirks to keep an eye out for? Thanks for the info and will keep informed of the progress....
  • rslnp1rslnp1 Member Posts: 29
    Gossamer
    Congratulations on on your new Forester. I have found that the center armrest extension is an accessory that is well worth the money. It takes the place of the center consul lid and provides more storage as well as a useable armrest. You do, however, lose the center upholder.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Sorry to read about your accident. I hope your wife is feeling better.

    I would contact Subaru of America. We have a rep (Patti, from the Subaru Team) on this board, and she seems very interested in seeing that customer concerns are addressed.

    Everything I've ever read about the Forester leads me to believe it is a safe car. This is the first complaint I've ever read about regarding safety issues.

    Good luck!

    Bob
  • sambohsamboh Member Posts: 14
    My dealer offers me this: 2001 Subaru Forester S. Premium, solid red with moonroof, side airbags, premium sound, cd changer, good speakers, seat warmers, etc. -- $26,187, drive out. Both KBB and Edmunds seem in sync with this price. Any opinions? Thanks, Sam -- shavens@flash.net
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    you can do better.

    Check out the Fitzgerald site below. They list all models in the current inventory, along with options, and their bottom line price. Even if you don't buy from them, this will give you a good point of reference as to what a good deal is on that model.

    http://www.fitzgeraldautomall.com/

    Bob
  • skipdskipd Member Posts: 97
    In case anyone is interested, I came across some links of a concept GM vehicle that is planning to use Subaru's engine and AWD system. The vehicle is interesting...kind of reminds me of a Brat. However, it doesn't look like it leaves much room for passengers or cargo. Check it out...


    http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/001123-1.htm


    http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/general_motors/concepts-2001/chevy-borrego-01.htm


    http://fedrelandsvennen.no/tema/amcar/grom/04.html


    By the way, I'm not so down on GM. I have had several older GM vehicles, including a '77 Caprice Classic (my college vehicle...great for carrying to kegs of beer in the trunk) and a 1990 Celebrity wagon. Although both of these cars had minor problems (air conditioning, power windows, etc.) for the most part they were reliable where the drivetrain was concerned). I loved my celebrity wagon, and was sad to see it go when I sold it to my needy uncle with five kids. It was a reliable and comfortable workhorse when I carried my fishing gear and canoe. However, my new Forester has made my separation from my wagon much less painful :)


    Talk to you later,


    Skip

  • sambohsamboh Member Posts: 14
    The dealer gave me a new Forester S to drive overnight. I'm surprised at the lack of interior lighting. All I find is a mediocre dome light and two not-so-bright spotlights above the mirror. No illumination on the floor or in the doors. Am I missing something. How about aftermarket? Thanks, Sam
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    John: I think the seat belt pre-tensioners arrive in 2001. What year is yours?

    Please tell your wife we wish her a quick recovery.

    My step mother had a similar accident in a different vehicle and she did break the windshield with her forehead. It was quite painful and she still has scars (physical and emotional).

    Ironically, she now owns a 2001 Outback, which has front and side air bags as well as seat belt pre-tensioners and force-limiters.

    It doesn't sound like the ABS failed. On frictionless surfaces, no vehicle can stop. ABS can even work against you in that it allows the wheels to turn on ice, whereas a locked wheel could at least pile up slush and ice to help it stop.

    Tom: congrats. I love the accessories. The cargo net and arm rest extension are ones I use every time.

    Sam: Fitz had a Forester S Premium automatic for $23.4k last time I looked. Consider flying out to DC and driving home. That's several grand savings!

    Also, the premium package's moonroof will allow plenty of moonlight in! ;-)

    The Borrego is kind of interesting. GM's likely to build something similar, given the ST-X will be built.
  • rslnp1rslnp1 Member Posts: 29
    I got a call on Saturday from Manny at Fitzgerald's in Rockville, MD. He told me that all Foresters were now being priced at invoice. Lots of competition in the DC area. In November, my wife's Forester S+ lease was based on a cap cost of $662.00 below invoice at Tischer Subaru.
  • oregonsubieoregonsubie Member Posts: 10
    I paid $23,800 for my 2001 S+ Sam. $26,000 is way too high.

    Does anyone with the hood deflector hear a whistling noise while driving? I just added the hood deflector to my Forester and now I hear a whistling noise when driving 45mph or faster. Any ideas?
    -Mark
  • tinindianatinindiana Member Posts: 46
    I want to start using synthetic tranny and regular oil in our new Forester. First, is there any problem with this and second, I went to auto zone and they don't have any filters for the forester except fram which I won't use and don't have a Chiltons or Haynes maintenance manual on the Forester yet. Has anyone used synthetics and does Mobil 1 make a syn oil filter for the Forester??? Thank you!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I believe Mobil 1 does have a fitment for the 2.5l boxer engines. Someone mentioned using one, so they must.

    For the tranny, Mobil 1 makes 75w90 gear oil which ought to work just fine. I think that matches the specs Subaru requires, but check.

    It's about $8 per quart, so check the owner's manual under capacities to see how much you'll require (probably about 3 quarts).

    You can use the same gear oil in the rear differntial, soo. That'll take about a quart.

    It's very easy to do, there are two screws in the back, the lower one is the drain, and the upper is the fill hole. Get a hand pump for the oil, it should be sold where the oil is sold.

    Redline also sells gear oils, but only by mail order. I avoided them because if I ran short I'd have to wait several days to get more. I can buy Mobil 1 at Pep Boys or Trak Auto.

    I changed both on my Miata (my Forester was new, the Miata 8 years old so it needed it), and the results are promising. Shifting is a lot smoother when it's cold, and even a little smoother once it's warmed up. I'm glad I did it, and the $24 I spent will last a long, long time.

    I still use dino oil for the engine, on both cars.

    -juice
  • tinindianatinindiana Member Posts: 46
    Could you post your website which had your step by step oil changing instructions? I think that would really help. Also, do you have any detailed instructions for a transmission fluid change - any help is appreciated. Lastly, I used Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in my Accord...can I use the same in the Forester? Is syn ATF the same as the gear oil you mentioned? Thanks again!!

    Tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Oh, so you have an automatic? That changes things. ATF is definitely different.


    Dealers are equipped with pumps that flush the old ATF out of your tranny. I would leave it up to them, in that case. At least that's something I'm not familiar with. I'm not sure if you can just use gravity to drain out the old ATF (anybody?).


    My oil change instructions (for regular engine oil) are here:


    http://thejuiceman.homepage.com/oil.html


    Miata.net has an excellent following and garage section. One of the guys there has detailed all his fluid changes, just keep in mind they are different in the Forester (especially an automatic). For reference, though:


    http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=117212&a=1484919&p=15038845


    -juice

  • wang_n4wang_n4 Member Posts: 8
    Hi, all.
    I used to commute 50 miles one way.
    And I can barely made 4 round trips before light went on.
    That's about 25,26 MPG, not bad.
    But after I moved near my office, things started to change.
    With 60% of short distance driving, I could hardly pass 250 miles.
    I guess I probably get only 200 miles in 100% of city driving.
    This is not acceptable. I'm only 150 pounds, I don't carry much either.
    Could it be the cold weather or something?
    I love my forester, but this one really hurts.
    Does anyone experience the same problem?
    Any suggestions?
    Your opinion is greatly appreciated!

    Sean
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Does the car need a tune up or something? Is there a lot of stop-n-go traffic, or has your driving style changed? I notice that how I drive greatly affects my MPG. I get as high as 24+MPG (mostly highway at 80-85 MPH and back-roads), or as low as 21 MPG depending on how fast I start and how fast I go on the highway.
  • tinindianatinindiana Member Posts: 46
    I would like to use mobil 1 on the Forester as I have in the past with my other cars. However, I don't know if they have an oil filter for the Forester. Does anyone use mobil 1 filters and if so, could you let me know which # filter it is. Thanks.

    Tom
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Sean- 50 miles one-way x 4 round trips = 400 miles. By my calculations you were getting at least 28.5 mpg (which is excellent). I'm assuming you had a hwy commute. Now you're getting 17.5 mpg with mostly city driving? That's certainly on the low side but a few Forester owners have reported similar mpg.

    If your normal commute contains lots of stop-n-go driving and idling then that might explain your low mpg. Also, as Nate mentioned, you might need a tune-up. If you take a trip, does your mileage go back up?

    -Frank P.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sean: if the same car got 25-26mpg, it must be either the new commute or the state of tune of your Soob. Just remember, while standing still in traffic you're getting 0 mpg.

    I'd go ahead and change the fuel filter, air filter, PCV Valve, spark plugs, plug wires, and the oil and oil filter while you're at it. Also consider an alignment, which could cause your mileage to drop like that. I'd basically do a 30k service.

    Tom: I believe you can use a conventional filter even with synthetic oil. Stick to an OE filter, which is just $4 from qsubaru@aol.com and comes with a washer for the drain plug.

    -juice
  • wang_n4wang_n4 Member Posts: 8
    Thanks all !
    But my forester has only 13000 miles on it(She is 7 months old).
    And I'm a very cautious driver(Her RPM never reach 3500).
    Could this be the reason? :)
    I'm gonna take her to dealer for 15k service tomorrow.
    Hope this will work.
    I'll keep updating.

    Thanks again!

    Sean
  • tlimatlima Member Posts: 124
    When my Forester was new and the weather was warm (read non-oxygenated fuels) my average mileage was above 26mpg. Now with about 7500mi, and cold weather, the best I can do is about 23mpg on the same commute. Some of you may have remembered me raving about the mileage - well no more, but it still is not too bad.

    If your in a cold climate, this could be adding to the reduced mileage due to the shorter commute. I have noticed that when I do lots of short trips, my mileage suffers as well.

    Please keep us posted on the results.

    -Tony
  • sambohsamboh Member Posts: 14
    The struggle has ended. After weeks of sweating over the choice between an Outback Wagon and a Forester, I bought a Monotone Sedona Red Pearl Forester! . Got the "S Premium" with premium sound and sport grill. Love the bun warmers, great sound, nimble handling, HUGE moon roof! It's a beauty!

    Thanks to all for helping me through the maze. We love our Forester!

    Sam
  • natescapenatescape Member Posts: 176
    Wang: The 15k tune-up should help. And tlima makes a good point about winter fuels. MPG should improve in the summer.

    There were discussions before about RPMs as they relate to MPG. An idea thrown out that I've tried with good success is to keep the RPM's between 2500 and 3500. When I do that, I get 24+ (in my S+ with 9000+ miles). When I don't stay in that range, my MPG drops to 22 or 23.

    Samboh: Congrats. Hope you love yours as much as I love mine. I swear, I'm gonna become a huge Subaru evangelist. I simply LOVE the car. Maybe I should go work for the local dealer.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
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