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A Tahoe is large? I'm confused. The Tahoe is 1" longer, but actually narrower. What exactly is the qualification for large? It must just have to sit up higher and be marginally heavier to be large?
Then you probably haven't seen them up close and side by side.
Even though this wasn't my point, the sonata does look a little like the Camry two model years ago.
They both have four wheels?
The Chevy Tahoe. I think that makes the lambdas look relatively small for actual size.
Again, you probably haven't seen them up close and side by side. The regular Tahoe is certainly isn't setting fire on the size comparison vs. the Lambdas.
No, you might be the only one.
He's not the only one. When I saw the picture I thought the Veracruz looked like a minivan from the B pillar back. That said, I think you can find a hint of minivan in all the newer crossovers, yet it's muted enough that I like the styling of most of them.
The lights are squared just like the old camry (something like 97-00).
If the Sonata looks like any vehicles, it's a Honda Accord. I see very little Camry in it.
we're going off looks here and the Acadia definitely looks smaller than the Tahoe.
It must just have to sit up higher and be marginally heavier to be large?
that's it by some peoples standards.
you don't have to look at them side by side to tell.
They both have four wheels?
true but not the point.
Again, you probably haven't seen them up close and side by side. The regular Tahoe is certainly isn't setting fire on the size comparison vs. the Lambdas.
Anyone who has gone to an auto show has seen the Yukon and Acadia side by side. The Current Yukon/Tahoe definitly looks big compared to lambdas.
Edmunds frequently gets it wrong. That's why I stopped reading them a long time ago. Their so bad, it's almost as if they exist to mislead. A manufacturer's website is a far more reliable source for the details.
Did everyone catch the Motor Trend comparison with the Acadia, CX-9 and MDX? If not, be sure to catch which vehicle got compared to a mini-van...and it got that comparison because it doesn't handle like a car, it handles like a mini-van; i.e.: not very well.
Like Motor Trend or not, their comparison article followed exactly how I felt after looking at and driving the three vehicles. I only wish they'd included the VC so I could have seen a more critical opinion than the ones that have been written to date ("first-drive" articles are often "fluff" pieces). If they had I think it would have ended up CX-9, MDX, VC (better handling and interior than Acadia, but worse handling than CX and MDX with other things about equal), Acadia. Maybe we'll see something similar soon.
Look again then:
The tailights somehow remind me of a toyota van.
The lights are squared just like the old camry (something like 97-00).
Wow, if two cars both have four wheels, then they must look the same.
1998 Camry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1998_toyota_camry.jpg
Sonata: http://www.driventodrive.com/images-vehicles/2006Sonata/2005_11854_std.jpg
I didn't link either the Camry or the Sonata because it is not the topic of disucssions but just to show you...
By the way, the Accord reference is far-fetched too because as the particular Accord model debuted, the design for the Sonata had already froze. A small concindence, I'd say, just like most of the car on the road these days can be describe as derivatives, from almost every auto manfacturer.
Back to crossover comparisons now.
See above post. With photo illustration.
Anyone who has gone to an auto show has seen the Yukon and Acadia side by side. The Current Yukon/Tahoe definitly looks big compared to lambdas.
However, I doubt GM had the Tahoe and Acadia next to each other at any of the auto show. I've actually had a Tahoe and a Acadia parked right next to each other, and trust me, an Acadia is just as big as a Tahoe. Numbers don't lie, and neither does in real-life.
Just for reference, the Tahoe is 202 inches long, the Acadia is 1.7 inches shorter, at 200.3. Find 1.7 inches on a ruler, and tell me if you think that's a big disparity.
Where did you see that? When I looked I couldn't find any mention of a trip odometer or lack thereof.
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If tail ends were shown without the rest of the vehicle, it would be pretty hard to tell what was a station wagon, minivan, CUV or even SUV. Roof slope angle sure isn't correlated with one or the other, and all tend to have either liftgates or split tailgates. In the end (so to speak) the styling details are completely subjective.
As for the Sonata- I was a little incorrect on that, but that style is NOT fresh by any means.
Might I add- I mean this for the front end of both RX and VC. But the overall shape of both is still the same.
The statement clearly says YUKON.
1- this statment was originally about looks. It's obvious the Acadia's real size.
2- The Acadia is not as tall as the Tahoe/Yukon. On some on this forum think an inch is a lot of difference(me not being one of them). The Tahoe is smaller than 77 in. in width?
it is nothing new. many other manufacturers have had the same strategy.
As for the Sonata- I was a little incorrect on that, but that style is NOT fresh by any means.
To each own but you really need to get out and put the two side by side. Just remember a circle is not a facsimile of a square but if you insist to believe otherwise, then be my guest.
As for the Sonata- I was a little incorrect on that
Well what do you know!! I would strike through "a little" also.
Go back and read through your original post.
Actually, I've taken the liberty:
The Chevy Tahoe. I think that makes the lambdas look relatively small for actual size.
Still think Acadia looks small vs. the Tahoe?
In that case, the Fortwo is identical to the Super Duty.
And for the BH/Genesis, again, have you seen the concept in person?
What'm I talking about? They will slap the same grille on the diffenrent looking Sante Fe and VC (using ford as example).
I don't know what you are talking about. And what would a different looking Santa Fe or VC encompass?
Well, having owned one for over a year, I have to disagree. I find the seats very comfortable. But then I have the leather seating, perhaps that is the difference.
The FS is simply amazing; great safety features (mine has the now-standard curtain airbags), taut ride, and good MPG for a 4200 lb vehicle. Personally, I like the 3.0L engine mated to the CVT.
To each his own, I suppose...
If you say this tree is identical to that tree then it is true only in your eye. Do I have to tell you this cloud looks like rabbit?
Yes, I have seen it, and I don't feel like I've seen it before. The examples you provided don't look a whole lot like the Genesis from any angles. The Genesis is not exactly ground breaking in style, but it does have its own style. I agree about the RX and VC though. While they have certain aspects all their own. I think Hyundai enjoys people mistaking the two.
You need to look at auto show reviews for the VC. If hundreds of viewers are confusing this for a Lexus RX, it must look like one. And that's what's being said. Get in the Game!
Well what do you know!! I would strike through "a little" also.
I wouldn't. For overall body shapes that look the same, I was very close. And who does Hyundai copy? Industry Leaders. Toyota.
You'd need to fix your logic fallacy first, be careful with your "if, then must" statements. Like I said earlier, agree to disagree.
I wouldn't. For overall body shapes that look the same, I was very close. And who does Hyundai copy? Industry Leaders. Toyota.
Overall body shapes look the same? So that must mean all sedans, all CUVs having similar body shapes are copy of each other. Again you are widely exaggerating. Sorry to burst your bubbles, no, you were not close.
Try convincing others the 2006 Sonata is a copy of the 1999 Camry. Your logic, if I recall, both have squared headlights. Then does that mean all cars with squared headlight must be copies? By the way, the 1999 Camry is not square shaped, and the 06 Sonata headlight is rectangle.
Anyone who has gone to an auto show has seen the Yukon and Acadia side by side. The Current Yukon/Tahoe definitly looks big compared to lambdas.
But who cares they are still basically the same vehicle, and LOOK larger than the Lambdas.
I've seen enough of it not to mistake the two, but those who haven't, do.
And for the BH/Genesis, again, have you seen the concept in person?
At the NY auto show. Looks great, but NOT original.
I don't know what you are talking about. And what would a different looking Santa Fe or VC encompass?
As for that part of my statement, look at other companies. Both of Acura's SUV's look similar. Ford and Chevy's do. LandROver, Jeep, must I go on? While Hyundai is smart enough to know not to slap grilles on cars, in the future, they will most definitely develop a style of their own, as CAdillac has done, and ford is trying to do.
What I was trying to say was people have biased mind. When Hyundai or Kia launch a new car people try to find "this car is a copy of XXXX" however when Honda or Toyota launch a new car people don't think same way. If Hyundai designers copy other car design why would Hyundai pay them millions of dollars? Hyundai can hire average Joe designers and have them cut and paste. What if I say Scion tC is a copy of Hyundai Tiburon or 2008 Honda Accord coupe is a Tiburon's lost twin, would you agree with me? :P
there is nothing to disagree on. Like I said. Hyundai designed this CUV to look a littl esimilar to the RX. They did this and gave it an atractive price so potential buyers will think they are getting RX standards without the RX price.
all CUVs having similar body shapes are copy of each other.
In many cases, actually, yes. Companies know that people are gravitating away from big square Suvs, because of the gas guzzling behemoth stigma. Am I saying all SUVs wanna be an RX? No. But do competitors like the Lambdas Edge Murano, CX7 and Rav 4 want to look a little sportier and gas saving? Yes. Page from the same playbook. The Ford Flex, however is an example of going against the current and doing something different, something that Chrysler 300 and Scion prove can be appealing.
Not true. Both Lexus and Infinity have been trying to copy BMW for the past few years, whether it be design or performance. When both makers came to being, their goal was to copy Mercedes, the world class leader in luxury. And when Lexus started moving ahead of Infinity? Infinity copied Lexus. So the Koreans really haven't done anything new! :P
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No offense, but try again.
BTW... It's a full size, not a midsize.
I'm not in the market to buy, so I can't really say about the competition. But I do like the FS.
BTW, I think it is still a well rounded vehicle... :shades:
Not sure about the Grandeur, but I don't know if the bangle butt look was popularized by bimmer-the way they are redisigning the rear ends of the 5 and 7 series.
The body of the genisis does look like that of the Lexus GS. And the front end gives me a a hint of MAzda three-with the bimmer butt.
Off topic.
Any word on new Pilot?
To each his/her own, but I'd keep your opthamologist on speed dial just in case.
If the Pilot follows along the lines of the MDX like it has before, it will be about the size of the Veracruz (maybe a little bigger) rather than being as long as the CX-9 and Acadia. The previous generation MDX only had a mild power increase over the Pilot. If that trend stays the same, the Pilot could be the most powerful in this group so far.