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  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "The Highlander does not have RSC "

    The Highlander does have stability control, though it is not called RSC.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Well,Saab and Subaru share a car- the WRX 5 door/ 9-2x. But Bimmer doesn't hav any thing to do with that..
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    A friend of mine is looking at the CX-9 as a replacement for his wifes troublesome, inefficient Suburban. The runner up is a new Highlander apparently. That one, I haven't driven yet.

    Has he/you looked at the GMC Acadia? The Acadia would improve gas mileage, without losing as much interior space from the Suburban.
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    I drove both vecihles before got an Acadia. The CX-9 much better car, then Highlander. The most cons for Highlander are noise engine inside a cabin and radio/cd/heating controls made for 'blind person", they're really huge,bulky.The seats smaller with compare to CX, Acadia. Other then I've already stated, it's a Toyota, it drives and handles as Toyota - nothing special.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    The Highlander does have stability control, though it is not called RSC.

    It has stability control, but, not roll stability control in addition to it. Roll stability control utilizes gyroscopes in the wheels, and eliminates the chance, well, to roll over! Highlander does not have this safety feature. The CX-9 has both electronic stability control and roll stability control.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    The CX-9 has both electronic stability control and roll stability control.

    Most likely it is Volvo's RSC as found in Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, and Land Rovers currently. This was the first of its kind IIRC and has garnered much praise from what I've read about it. Others have copied it since (or possibly bought it from Ford) but I don't know how effective they are.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You got it, they all have a history making aircraft engines.

    Good catch with adding Mitsu as well.

    BMW's blue/white logo is meant to symbolize a propellor.

    Some BMW motorcycles also use boxer engines, like Subaru (and Porsche).

    Funny thing is Porsche's crossover doesn't use a boxer, instead using VW-based V6 and V8 engines.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    It's the same system. Apparently, it is quite a useful system. I'm not sure on the exact details of how it works, but, it does utilize the ABS system, and throttle control to prevent roll overs.
  • freealfasfreealfas Member Posts: 652
    "Buick Enclave: Torque converter housing seal is being torn up by a bearing or something and it will begin leaking tranny fluid rather rapidly, and quite early in the life of the vehicle."

    Anyone hear about this one??? just saw it on another forum I read and was curious if anyone here has any issue like this...
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    Sounds like a problem that GM's had in the 80's. Just does not sound good at all. :sick:
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Member Posts: 619
    I test drove an Enclave this morning, to compare it with my RX350. Everyone raves about the smooth, quiet ride of the Enclave, and I have to agree, although compared to the RX350 the ride is a little floaty. And the drivetrain of the Enclave is refined, moreso than the RX350. The biggest problem I have with the Enclave is the front passenger seat. The bottom cushion is quite short, and the front needs to be tipped upward a bit. It reminds me of the front passenger seat of my 2004 Sienna, not a good thing. Come on, Buick; shouldn't "the finest luxury crossover ever" have an 8 way front passenger seat?
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    I'm not sure on the exact details of how it works, but, it does utilize the ABS system, and throttle control to prevent roll overs.

    Well, most if not all stability control systems utilize ABS and power management to keep the vehicles on the road. The big difference in the Volvo/Ford/Mazda/LR system is that it utilizes a gyroscopic sensor along with all the other steering, speed, wheel position, etc. sensors. That one special sensor enables the computer within to detect/predict a rollover and take the appropriate action to TRY (want to be very clear on that) to prevent a rollover.

    FWIW Volvo strapped live people in XC90s to demo the system a few years back. The drivers got up to speed and made emergency manuevers which would have rolled pretty much any SUV (hard left/right then turn hard the other way real fast). No roll. There was a video of it and the wheels barely left the ground during the second turn. It was pretty impressive. ;)
  • chaptertwochaptertwo Member Posts: 2
    Hi,
    I have just about made the decision to buy an Enclave. But I need some help understanding the options and which ones are for me. In particular, I haven't kept up very well with the developing technology. For example, I haven't ever used a navigation system of any kind.

    So, my questions are: do I need both the rear assist and the rear camera? What is the purpose of each, how do they work, when will I use them? Both the driver confidence and luxury package? What are the best elements of each and why do some people get both? Do I need the Navigation if I can use On-Star? I"ve followed some of the discussion about FWD vs. AWD, but still not sure. I live in Maryland and don't do much mountain driving and I try to avoid driving in snow, but sometimes it is unavoidable. Rain, of course, is also unavoidable at times. There aren't very many Enclaves around here, so I've only test driven the FWD.

    Anyway, all your advice will be much appreciated as I am quite a novice about buying cars. Thanks.
  • patrician01patrician01 Member Posts: 16
    This afternoon, I got my first up close, walk around view of the new 2008 Mazda CX 9.

    i think it looks like a d*ldo.

    gross.

    sorry, mazda fans......
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    From what I've heard, if you want the most luxury for your money, but aren't a big techy person, go with the high end CXL, but leave out pricey options like navigation and dvd if you don't have regular back seat passengers. You already get a lot with the CXL. I think with back up camera you can see what you're backing into thru a camera, as with the sensor there is beeping and flashing lights.

    In Maryland, you could get by fine with FWD and have better performance and pickup, but in MD you do get some snow.
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Well that was mature.

    But it does have a big nose.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    In Maryland, you could get by fine with FWD and have better performance and pickup, but in MD you do get some snow.

    AWD doesn't do anything to help you STOP in slick conditions. I think a lot of people overlook that. If you've gotten by with RWD or FWD before, a Buick FWD with Stability Control (Isn't it called Stabilitrak?) should suit you just fine.
  • kharriskharris Member Posts: 41
    Is it definite that Volvo/Ford/Mazda share the same stability control system? I know it seems logical because of the relationship between the three makes but is it true? For example, the Ford and the Mazda both have 6 speed automatic transmissions so if I didn't know better I would think they are using the same transmission, but in fact the Mazda uses a Japanese built Aisin model.

    Ken
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    I agree with Albook, go for the CXL and skip the options. They add on too much money for what you get. The CXL is a good deal even with no major options.

    The rear camera is a good idea, since rear visibility isn't the best in the Enclave when you are backing up, but you need the NAV for it. The rear assist is probably the best compromise, you won't see a picture but at least the lights will give you an indication when you close to an object.

    If you travel a lot, the NAV can be useful, but for the most part it'll likely go unused. You can buy a portable unit for 1/5 of the price. OnStar is good while free, but the monthly fees add up after the first year, especially if you want to use the navigation capabilities (you have to get yourself a Verizon cell phone).

    You don't need AWD in Maryland. FWD with stability control is fine.

    Also check out enclaveforum.net for more discussions (similar to the Acadia forum, but for Enclaves!)

    Make you you get a recent 2008 model. Previous models need a transmission software update, and have some other minor "quirks" that are being addressed.
  • gleunggleung Member Posts: 7
    We were checking out all these SUV including RX, MDX, Highlander, Outlook, etc. We thought the Highlander gets us the best value and features. So, we were planning to buy the brand new design 2008 Highlander.

    I was flipping through the Motor Trend magazine in my dentist office and stumbbled on the SUV of the year article. I was really surpise that Mazda CX-9 won. So I did lots of research on the web. My wife and I then went and test drove a few SUVs, including the Highlander and CX-9. We conclude that MT is right. CX-9 is a great car. CX-9 is roomier than the Highlander and has comparable mileage. Comparing the designs, the CX-9 makes the Highlander look like a 5 year old car.

    We just got my brand new 2008 CX-9 last night. Love it, Love it, Love it! We got the basic Sport AWD with moonroof and back up mirror. MSRP is almost $35k, but I got an incredible deal. I can't tell you how little I paid. But let me just say it is under
    invoice for sure. (You read right: under invoice price! NOT MSRP)
    And I also got 0% finance!

    My secret: I have a good friend who works at an internet sales/fleet manager in Menlo Park Mazda. He is a great honest guy and Mazda is having a fire sale. So usually at the end of the year, he can do a lot of magic to get the car and price you want. Anyway, if you are looking for a Mazda (be it a CX-9 or anything else) in San Francisco Bay Area, now you know where to go!

    Happy Holidays and Happy Shopping!!!
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    We conclude that MT is right. CX-9 is a great car. CX-9 is roomier than the Highlander and has comparable mileage. Comparing the designs, the CX-9 makes the Highlander look like a 5 year old car.

    I agree with it. It's better than Highlander, but not MDX or Acadia. It's total out range statement that CX-9 better MDX or Acadia. I can agree with the price range between MDX and CX-9.But if you’re comparing the same options, price, and driving experience it's all up to customers who are buying these cars. There are having absolutely different driving an experiences. The some people likes jugging, called sporty, style (CX-9), some likes quite, less feeling, called luxury, driving experience.
    I’m still disagree with TM, because if you drove these cars like they’re in the forest, off-road, I will agree CX-9 has most stiff driving experience.
    Congrat with the car.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    It's total out range statement that CX-9 better MDX or Acadia.

    I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but it seems like you feel that someone saying the CX-9 is better than the Acadia, is outrageous. That in itself is outrageous.
  • unixxusunixxus Member Posts: 97
    The CX-9 is definitely better than the Acadia ;) .
  • 99zoomr99zoomr Member Posts: 55
    No need to apologize! Most aerodynamic designs have a bullet-like shape. If that grosses you out, then I'd definitely recommend staying with one of the offerings that are shaped like the box that the d*ldo probably came in...

    sorry, "boxcar" fans...
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    You sound defensive about your purchase--actually, you've never said you bought an Acadia, but by your posts, it's obvious you did.

    The Acadia is a fine vehicle, there are no lows, but there are no highs. It accelerates okay. It handles okay. It's interior quality is okay (it does have its share of hard cheap plastics, but all these CUVs do). It is a vast improvement over the typical GM slop that's been produced over the last 10 years, that's for sure.

    The Acadia is more expensive than the CX-9 when equipped similarly, so that's one strike. The Acadia has also had tons of issues-door leaks, batteries dying, seats that rock back and forth, transmission, etc. etc. That's another strike (the CX-9 seems to have far less issues, and less time in the shop--check truedelta.com). The only reason why it doesn't have a third strike is the fact that it is a competent vehicle, and holds its own against the Highlander, Pilot, CX-9, etc.

    I'm still considering the Acadia, but didn't find it as quick and nimble as the Highlander, Veracruz, or CX-9. The only reason I'd consider it is for the extra roominess. If it had more HP or a V-8 in 2009, I'd probably jump on it...
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    The CX-9 is definitely better than the Acadia
    Any examples, please?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I will give some.

    Plastics quality, power-to-weight, handling, for starters.
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    The Acadia is more expensive than the CX-9 when equipped similarly, so that's one strike.
    Acadia start $29,990, where CX-9 $30,035, Full loaded GM-41,371 and Mazda 40, 152 that only 1,000 more, but Mazda doesn't have head up display option.

    The Acadia has also had tons of issues-door leaks, batteries dying, seats that rock back and forth, transmission, etc. etc.
    I don't have any of these issues. I'm not sure why someone have it. I don't have any issues with this car at all. I have done transmission update, but I don't feel difference after update. The trans. worked perfect before update, but dealer told me it will better fuel economy. OK?!
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    The Acadia is more expensive than the CX-9 when equipped similarly, so that's one strike.
    Acadia start $29,990, where CX-9 $30,035, Full loaded GM-41,371 and Mazda 40, 152 that only 1,000 more, but Mazda doesn't have head up display option.

    The Acadia has also had tons of issues-door leaks, batteries dying, seats that rock back and forth, transmission, etc. etc.
    I don't have any of these issues. I'm not sure why someone have it. I don't have any issues with this car at all. I have done transmission update, but I don't feel difference after update. The trans. worked perfect before update, but dealer told me it will better fuel economy. OK?!

    I'm still considering the Acadia, but didn't find it as quick and nimble as the Highlander, Veracruz, or CX-9.

    By the CX-9 faster on 1/4 mile, but it's just less than .1 sec. do you feel it? Is it Formula 1?
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    The Acadia is more expensive than the CX-9 when equipped similarly, so that's one strike.

    Acadia start $29,990, where CX-9 $30,035, Full loaded GM-41,371 and Mazda 40, 152 that only 1,000 more, but Mazda doesn't have head up display option.

    The Acadia has also had tons of issues-door leaks, batteries dying, seats that rock back and forth, transmission, etc. etc.

    I don't have any of these issues. I'm not sure why someone have it. I don't have any issues with this car at all. I have done transmission update, but I don't feel difference after update. The trans. worked perfect before update, but dealer told me it will better fuel economy. OK?!

    I'm still considering the Acadia, but didn't find it as quick and nimble as the Highlander, Veracruz, or CX-9.

    By the CX-9 faster on 1/4 mile, but it's just less than .1 sec. do you feel it? Is it Formula 1?
  • 99zoomr99zoomr Member Posts: 55
    I don't believe anyone should buy a car just because it's "car of the year". Buy the car that works best for what you want and need, and yes, even because you like the way it looks and makes you feel when you're driving it. Every car in this discussion has pluses and minuses, and a half inch here or there shouldn't be the deciding factor in why you buy it. I have a CX-9. Is it perfect? Heck no! For me, the armrest about an inch is too high, the A-pillars are wide and hard to see around compared to other cars, the steering seems too heavy at certain speeds, the volume nob is farther away than I'd like, and I bonked my head on the durn hatch a few times until I finally got in the habit of ducking. However, it's great for hauling the stuff around I need to haul, I like the firm handling and sporty ride (most of the time), the price was reasonable for what I got (in my opinion), I like the body style and most of the interior appointments, I actually think it's fun to drive for such a big vehicle,and the most important thing of all, my wife and my daughter like it!! :)
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Is it definite that Volvo/Ford/Mazda share the same stability control system?

    Most definitely yes. It first appeared in a Volvo but has trickled down to vehcles for "the common man" since then.

    For example, the Ford and the Mazda both have 6 speed automatic transmissions so if I didn't know better I would think they are using the same transmission, but in fact the Mazda uses a Japanese built Aisin model.

    Actually Ford was using Aisin and Jatco 5 and 6 speed trannies before they co-developed the current unit with GM. '07 was the first year they used the new 6-speed and it is now used in almost all their SUVs and CUVs. The 6-speed tranny in the Fusion and some other cars is still the Aisin or Jatco unit though IIRC.

    Mazda sticking with the Aisin tranny is probaly a location of assembly issue. Most Mazdas are still built in Japan so it probably makes more sense for them to use a tranny sourced from that country. The new Ford 6-speed is only made in the U.S. AFAIK. Kind of like how the engine block for the CX-9 is built here but the rest is tacked on in Japan after the block arrives there. Much more efficient and cost effective.
  • unixxusunixxus Member Posts: 97
    The engine block for the 2008 CX-9 is cast in Japan. The engine is 100% sourced in Japan. It was the 3.5 V6 engine that was assembled in Ohio and shipped to Japan to be installed in the 2007 CX-9. Mazda using the Aisin tranny is not due to location but rather by choice. I am sure that the yet to be released 2009 Mazda6 will continue to use the Aisin transmissions even though the car will be manufactured in the US.
  • nxs138nxs138 Member Posts: 481
    I'm glad you don't have the issues listed on the many threads on Acadiaforum. That's one of the reasons I haven't bought an Acadia yet: owners spend a lot of time in the shop, even though they might be small things. This would be my wife's car, and she sees how often my Audi ends up in the shop and the last thing she wants is an unreliable car.

    It would appear that, statistically, Acadia owners will end up in the repair shop more often than the CX-9 owners. Check out the 2007 results on Truedelta.com, and compare that to the CX-9, for example. That's why I'm waiting a few more months to let GM fix most of the major problems. Of course by then, the new Honda Pilot might be released and I may change my mind again!
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    Understandable. But all these ratings not always true. I tell you I had two american cars before these one, and first -Mercury was bad(transmission), second explorer haven't problems at all. Sometimes people break their cars, electronic and ect because they don't how to operate or use it. You have to follow instruction, change oil, not forgetting to turn off all external electronic in the car for the night, push one button at the time when adjusting a seat. I used to work as aircraft tech and I tell I have seen so many broken seats and cabin equipment by passengers and crew.
  • live2skilive2ski Member Posts: 25
    Hi All -

    I've been lurking for a while and I thought I would join in the fun. I just bought my 08 CX-9 Touring a few days ago. Thanks to everyone for all the advice/comments posted as it has been valuable in making my decision. I'll put the pricing and specs on the appropriate pricing forum.

    The lease was up on my 04 Pilot and I did not want purchase it knowing the 09 would be redone (I was hoping on an 08 remodel). The pilot was great and met most of my needs at the time. But with the addition of another child (#2), more space was needed as well as new technology. I'm sure the 09 Pilot will be great (esp with the adv of seeing the competition), but I could not wait that long. So we decided to see what was out there and this lead me to narrowing my choices to the Highlander, Acadia and CX-9.

    The Highlander was average and felt too 'rental-car-ish'. It's hard to describe, but interior felt sterile, steering felt loose and the breaks were soft. I did like the 3" LCD screen for car info and backup camera. The captains chairs were also a hit with the wife and kids.

    The Acadia was a nice surprise. Loved the space, the captains chairs and HUD. the ride was also very respectable. It probably fit the needs of our family the best. But, the biggest factor against it was the 'american car reliability' image. Now, before I get slammed, I admit, my bias is unsubstantiated and and only from perception, not experience. My biggest reliability concern was from year 7+ and 100k miles down the road. I tend to keep cars 10-15 years. I'm sure the Acadia would have performed well for the first 5 years, but I did not want to chance larger maintenance issues down the road. It seems even initial problems are lopsided compared to the Toyota or Mazda.

    On to the Mazda CX-9. The handling of the car was so much better/sporter than either of the other CUVs. Definite Zoom Zoom! The interior is very nicely done, ergonomic and had a personality. I would have liked captains chairs, but that probably is not possible with the roofline. The space is slightly smaller than the GMC, but it is still miles ahead of the Pilot (esp with the 3rd row down). The backup camera is also very helpful. After only having the car a few days, I'm still learning all the buttons and features. I love the remote start and keyless entry. This is my first nav system, so it works for me - I have nothing to compare it to.

    Overall, I'm happy with my purchase. I'll add my 2 cents when appropriate and continue to enjoy this forum.

    .
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Thanks for the thorough and up-front post (admitting biases lends to your actual credibility since you actually own up to it! When it comes down to it, we're all biased). Welcome to the forums. :)
  • vad1819vad1819 Member Posts: 309
    Congrat.
    The only Q: How do you know the reliability of the CX-9 will be better down in the road (after 100k)?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, the mazda had very poor reliability for all previous years.(car after 100k). Madza was rated by CR as avoid used car. You can't predict reliability for many years ahead. In most cases cars had most problems at begining their production, it will better as a used car.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    The engine block for the 2008 CX-9 is cast in Japan. The engine is 100% sourced in Japan. It was the 3.5 V6 engine that was assembled in Ohio and shipped to Japan to be installed in the 2007 CX-9.

    Thanks for clearing that up. I assumed the same process was in place for the D37 too.

    Mazda using the Aisin tranny is not due to location but rather by choice.

    I think it's a little of both. Besides, they can CHOOSE to use it because it is made where the vehicle is made, no? :P

    I am sure that the yet to be released 2009 Mazda6 will continue to use the Aisin transmissions even though the car will be manufactured in the US.

    That's no big shocker seeing that many mfrs use Aisin trannies in U.S. built vehicles which makes the cost of using them easier to swallow. Shipping small amounts of U.S. built GM and Ford trannies overseas is a waste of money OTOH.

    Remember though, the Mustang is rumored to get the D37 and a Ford 6-speed tranny in '09 for it's base powertrain. Since it and the 6 are built on the same assembly line at the same time every single day, don't be shocked if the U.S. 6 gets the same powertrain. I'm not saying that will happen, but it makes sense you have to admit.
  • live2skilive2ski Member Posts: 25
    I can't - only hope. While I feel the Acadia is definitely headed in the right direction, I was not able to make that leap to a GMC. I've had good luck with Japanese cars (built in US) in the past. Previous cars include a 91 Acura Integra with 195k miles, 97 Subaru Outback with 136k & 04 Honda Pilot with 42k (lease). Just considering and enjoying the Acadia was a big step in my mind :) Maybe in 5 years when I'm ready for another car, I can buy a GMC (or other big 3) car with confidence.
  • dsfindlaydsfindlay Member Posts: 9
    I went to a Mazda dealership and sat in the 2nd row and back row of the CX-9, and thought I was in some kind of holding cell at Guantanamo Bay. Tight, cramped, dark and unpleasant.

    I did the same thing in the Acadia...and it felt like I was sitting in a livingroom...even in the third row.

    The Acadia was also a nicer drive (sorry) and felt more solid and masculine. It was a no-brainer. Oh, and GMC's repair record has been better than Mazda's, fyi.
  • live2skilive2ski Member Posts: 25
    You can't predict reliability for many years ahead. In most cases cars had most problems at begining their production, it will better as a used car.

    I disagree with this statement. when you buy a used car, how do you know all the problems have been fixed? even if corrected, that makes it a better car than one which has not needed any maintenance? At what point are the initial flaws worked out of the car - 1 month, 1 year or 5 years? My 91 Integra was sold with 196k miles and no maintenance other than oil, tires and scheduled maint. It still drove as well 15 years later as it did day 1.

    Initial reliability shows that engineering and testing were thought out and was built correctly. Sure, parts break over time and need to be replaced, but transmission issues or door seal problems should not be a common issue right away.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Oh, and GMC's repair record has been better than Mazda's, fyi.
    Based on what?
  • unixxusunixxus Member Posts: 97
    You are right, they will not use the same powertrain, I predict that the Mazda6 will get the 3.7 engine while the Ford Mustang gets the 3.5 as a base engine, and a 'Twin Force' 3.5 version as an option. Ford has stated that the 3.7 will be unique to Lincoln among Ford, Lincoln and Mercury. I guess we will have to wait to find out. :)
  • live2skilive2ski Member Posts: 25
    I agree the Acadia has more room and better access to the 3rd row (with the captains chairs). This was a big concern when choosing the CX-9. But no one in my family is over 6' so the space seemed fine for average trips (under 1 hour).

    As I said before, the maint was a matter of perception. All the people I know who have Big 3 cars/trucks say how much they are in the shop. I've had good luck with non-US cars, so that's where my comfort level is. My Mom has a 04 Mazda - so far her only trouble has been the radio.
  • 99zoomr99zoomr Member Posts: 55
    I agree regarding the third row, but I sat in the second row seat with my daughter to watch a movie during a few longer trips and thought it was very comfortable. We have the light tan interior, so maybe that gives it a less claustrophobic feel. I'll also admit that my primary concern when it came to seating was more towards driver comfort, since that's where I spend most of my time... :)

    Although we've owned 5 Mazda products since 1978, and have put over 100k on all but one, I was also a little concerned about how a "new" model would do in the reliability department when we bought ours last February. So far with almost 10k, our has been trouble free, but time (and miles) will tell...
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
    The big difference in the Volvo/Ford/Mazda/LR system is that it utilizes a gyroscopic sensor along with all the other steering, speed, wheel position, etc. sensors

    I knew that, I stated that in my previous post. I just don't know the technical info on how it works. I know what it is and what it does, what the system utilizes, just not how it does it.
  • dsfindlaydsfindlay Member Posts: 9
    Oh, and GMC's repair record has been better than Mazda's, fyi.
    Based on what?


    J.D. Power's 2007 Dependability Study:

    Rank: GMC 19, Mazda 33

    J.D. Power's 2007 Initial Quality:

    Rank: GMC 18, Mazda 34
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Ah, JD Power. It's off topic, so I'll just say I respectfully disagree with most of JD Powers' findings.

    I don't really have much of an opinion about GMC or Mazda as far as reliability, I was just curious of your sources, since CR seems to counteract that. The Colorado and Envoy were pretty dismal as far as long-term reliability went, I believe.
  • dsfindlaydsfindlay Member Posts: 9
    In the interest of full disclosure, I agree though...I'm not a slavish follower of these things either. I think, at the end of the day, a car is like a pair of shoes or favorite pair of jeans. If it fits you, and it speaks to you...it's right for you. :)
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