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We have had 2 GMC vehicles in the last 4 years. We traded in our '99 GMC Jimmy back in 2004 on a new Camry. It had 80k on it. After we'd spent about 3000 dollars fixing the front transaxle and CV joint problems, alternator, sagging door hinges, and electronic problems, we decided to get rid of it before it cost us anymore. At 55k, the Camry's only been back to the dealer for one minor "non-maintenance" repair.
We also traded our GMC Sierra last February. After 75k we'd replaced the alternator, power brake booster, windshield wiper motor (twice), water pump (twice), and temp sending unit (which never worked right). I'd almost forgot that back when I got my Sierra (which I'd ordered) I couldn't even pick it up from the dealer until they replaced the whole rear-end assembly. This was due to faulty welding on the rear axle shaft which made the brake drums scrape on the dust shield. It got shipped to the dealer that way. Anyway, I traded that in on our CX-9 last February, and after 10k, the CX-9 has only been back for one TSB for the front door checkers and routine maintenance.
Maybe GMC quality has improved since these vehicles were made, and there were many things on those vehicles which I actually liked, but I can't afford to keep giving them chances to get it right. I hope someday I'll be able to consider them when it's time for a new car again...
You can, I suppose. Just no need.
I'd just run regular through it.
Acadia 2007 98 trips per year from 95 customers.
you can't compare this data. This data absolutly useless.
Take a deep breath, and read more carefully: right at the top, it says "trips/year per 100 vehicles". So the data is already normalized for you out of 100 vehicles.
So for the CX-9, it's 54 trips per 100 vehicles, while for the Acadia, it's 98 trips per 100 vehicles. That's all you have to look at. The website has already factored in the # owners, etc, and uses a sample size that is large enough to be statistically significant.
So based on truedelta's results, odds are that if you own a 2007 Acadia, you'll be in the shop more often than if you owned the 2007 CX-9 (almost twice as likely being in the shop with the Acadia). Fortunately, the 2008 Acadia is faring much better, only 36 trips to the shop per 100 vehicles so far. That's great news, since it means GM has likely corrected a lot of the issues that plagued the 2007.
But look at the numbers. 95 customers have 98 problems. 27 have 54. That means that those who had problems on the CX-9 had 2, while those who had problems on the Acadia had around 1.
But all American vehicles aren't like that. Ford currently tops JD and CR's charts for reliability- but I guess you've already benefitted them.
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WOW, WOW.
If you can't take a joke, I'll back up.
You're right size is not everything. But if you want replace your minivan it's
better option. But if you re looking for everyday car (SUV) I will look at
Murano, X-3, RAV, CRV, Edge..........!!!!
I think Lexus, MDX, ML, X5 better choice as luxury SUVs, and then full
loaded Acadia or CX-9.
WOW, It's big change and boring. SUV for sedan? By the way 08' Camry has very bad reliability and CR not recommend it anymore. For same money you can buy VW passat. It's has more room and fun to drive 100%.
Enjoy your "zoom, zoom".
That's not correct; let me break it down further:
(1) If you look at the chart, 95 vehicles reported in for the Acadia, and 27 reported in for the CX-9. Agreed?
(2) The website does not list how many total trips were taken to the shop by these 95 or 27 vehicles. Rather, it lists the number of problems per 100 vehicles, in an attempt to make things easier to compare. So you can't say 27 vehicles have had 54 problems, since the 54 problems are based on 100 vehicles.
(4) So if the data is per 100 vehicles, and 27 vehicles reported in for the Mazda, it means the website multiplied 27 X 3.7 to normalize to 100 vehicles. So the number of problems for 27 vehicles is 54/3.7 = 14.6 (so about half a problem per vehicle). For the Acadia, doing the same math, 95 vehicles X 1.056 = 100 vehicles, so number of problems for 95 vehicles = 98/1.056 = 92.8. So almost 1 problem per vehicle.
(5) So the Mazdas are in the shop twice as less as the Acadias.
(6) Maybe the owner of truedelta should pipe in, if he reads this forum.
I don't know about this. I see there, they have data from CX-9 -27 cars and Acadia -98 cars reported. Also they have ridicules date of the 427 month for Acadia, so we know maximum can be only 24 month. Any ideas? and odometer 5398 for 98 vehicles which makes 56 miles per car. I think their data is out of control. Just read this reports, they make no sense. All i know from other Acadia forum,that GM CUV have some problems, which is normal. Also CX-9 has less problem because CX-7 took all hit.
To me it's a toss-up between the Acadia and the Mazda. I like the way they look, and performance is almost equivalent, with the nod to the Mazda. The decision-making factor here is number of kids: we have 2, so I don't need the extra room of the Acadia. So the Mazda will do fine, although if I had 3 kids, I'l pick the Acadia over all the other CUVs out there (and yes, maybe I'd also consider a minivan, but the Acadia looks so much better!)
I don't do either. I've all my live VW/Audi product in my family and we all know VW/Audi is not perfect reliable car. But it drives like champ, I mean sport car.
I got Acadia, because we have big family, and it has a lot room, much quite inside.
Also it may look like some ...(can't say), but I'm trying to keep going american economy and save jobs for "Detroit" , even this car didn't assembled in Detroit. You know, what I meant. I've been looking for all 1.5 years to find good american car, that will serve my needs. The Acadia is one those cars.
Only the V6 Camry has reported issues. The 4 cyl Camry is still at the top of the list. CR is no longer recommending new models from Toyota because of this. Does this mean the Camry is unreliable? I don't think so. I'm sure Toyota will fix it, they always do.
Personally, I am not a fan of Toyota. They do build reliable vehicles, though.
The Mazda CX-7 and 9 do not have great visibility or great rear headroom. They were designed more for looks than practicality. I also didn't like the fact that they are 100% made in Japan - I prefer to try to buy American. (The Mazda6 is mostly North American content).
The vast majority of parts and the assembly of the Taurus X is US/Canada. I believe the engines are made in Ohio and the vehicles are assembled outside Chicago.
A person noted the second row bucket seats in many Taurus Xs. Many Taurus Xs come with a second row bench, at no additional cost, which provides seating for 7 instead of 6.
I don't know if I would totally agree with that. Yes, they were designed with appearance in mind, however, they are still very practical. Obviously, a traditional box SUV, like an Explorer, or even TX will have more room, and better visibility.
The hybrid and other 4 cylinder Camrys are still reliable and recommended by CR.
Note also that the U660E transmission has not made its way in to their unmentionable people movers. Those still use the U151E 5 speed transmissions.
albook: note that premium wasn't ever required. It was recommended for Toyota's 3.3l engines. The new 3.5l in Toyota models is tuned for regular fuel.
We had this debate in the RAV4 threads (that's a crossover so it's fair game) and someone actually whipped out a manual and read the page where Toyota specifically recommends only regular octane.
For some reason people make a big deal about that.
The truedelta site is interesting, I checked it out yesterday. I wonder if they have enough data when, for instance, they say the Toyota Yaris is completely defect-free. I kinda doubt that zero out of their sample size have ever had a single problem.
Someone's missing something, there's no way 32 2007 Yaris cars have not ever been to the shop, not one of them, ever.
I seriously doubt that.
Well, there is not much technology in the Yaris. It's as basic as you can get. I guess this means less to go wrong. I will agree that it's funny there have been absolutely no issues.
I reported my 2005 Mazda6 2.3 5-speed w/37K to Truedelta, and the only issue I have had was my air vents above the stereo system all broke. Other then that, it's been great.
Yarises (Yari? Yarii? Yaris?) are simple but still, out of 32 owners not a single one has had a problem?
I bet problems are just not being reported, or minor issues are being overlooked.
Even on test drives I tend to find 2-3 defects on any given vehicle, albeit minor. The Saturn Vue I tested had poor fit on the headliner in 4 different places.
Anyone own one? Come by in your Yaris and if I don't find a defect, I'll buy the beer. :shades:
I'm 20. Better make it root beer.
I haven't heard much about the new Saturn Vue, other than the fact that it weighs a ton. 2 tons, actually
Vad- you can't tell him what vehicle is better for him. And the Passat? Not only would it be more expensive, but what's special about it? I believe it rates average with CR and not good with JD.
Anyway, we're off topic.
Yeah, that Bose system really kicks... Egh, not so much. It makes my doors rattle when the volume is really high. What can I say, I hear my song and want everyone else to hear it too!!
The Bose systems on the CX's are far superior to that of my 6
I know you have done extensive research on this, but I'd say if you don't need sporty ride then get the Acadia. They are the same size- on the outside. And I feel the ride is better, though not as quick (and gas mileage is better). So you just get more on the inside. That's just hoew I'd do it.
At least JD ensures that only owners of the said vehicle get a survey and they only get one to boot. Web-based surveys have little value in my book for these reasons. It still blows my mind that there are people out there that think Wikipeda is the gospel truth. Yikes! Know your sources. Always look at more than one source. If JD, CR and respected websites such as this one all point to the same conclusion, then it is probably true. If they differ, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Any share your experience driving on snow cars like Acadia, CX-9, Highlander ...........
When you register your vehicle at Truedelta, you have to enter your VIN and license plate number. Claims are cross referenced with the DMV to ensure accuracy. Questionable claims are stricken from their survey.
Even easier if you could get a PI to do it. A good one can get you names, addresses and VIN#s for every CX-9 in the state.
Even easier if you could get a PI to do it. A good one can get you names, addresses and VIN#s for every CX-9 in the state. "
I think you're watching too many spy movies. :P
Think about what you said. Do you realize how much work that is? How about this: You see your neighbor gets a new vehicle. Check their mail until you see a survey from JD Powers, fill it out being totally negative, or positive, and send it in. Or, how about this: Subscribe to CR, and say you own cars you really don't and bash or praise them. See how silly that sounds?
The only true way to see a perfect survey, is if service departments were required to submit their work / repair orders directly to some source, and then that source compiled the data and gave results.
I registered with Truedelta myself, and I don't think they are the most totally flawless, but, I do find their way methods quite useful and so far they seem to be accurate.
Unless chuckhoy is Bond....James Bond or Jack Bauer
I agree, it's far too much work to follow someone home and steal their mail in order to fake a survey: the best and easiest way to fudge a reliability survey would be to find out their IP address so you can infiltrate their computer, set up a keystroke program so you can get their passwords for truedelta or CR, then log in yourself using their identity and enter a whole bunch of negative reviews. That way, you can do it in the safety and comfort of your own home!
See how ingenious I am?!
Too bad they never listened to me...
Yes, all those things could be done to skew a survey, and are in fact done all the time by large corporations to skew consumer data. This has been proven. Undoubtedly some members of CarSpace are posting as part of their job for the purposes of professional spin. Still, they can't block me from saying here or on
Truedelta or JD or CR that I had problems with my ABS or transmission, and when many others do the same, there is a trend one can recognize.
My rule? Use all the safety and reliability sources available as well as general discussions like these forums. No sources should be considered gospel and adhered to rigidly ....not even the gospel!
And others hearing your music is only good in your neighborhood. Not everyone evrywhere wants to hear Country Folk!
source: http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gm- news/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=41791
CX-9 sales numbers: November: 2,870 YTD: 22,501
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20071203.LAM117&show_article=1
Nope.
All it means is that more people on your block are likely to be seen in the same car as you.
GM sold about 264,000 vehicles in November (in the US), YTD = 3.5 million
Mazda sold about 20,500 (in the US), YTD = 271,000
So less people buy Mazdas. In fact, for every one Mazda vehicle sold, there are about 12 GM vehicles sold.
So, using that logic, for every 1 CX-9 there should be 12 Acadias sold. So, 2,870 CX-9s sold in November should equal 34,440 Acadias. But only 6395 Acadias were sold, meaning that the CX-9 must be extremely popular!
I gave you real numbers, you give me some speculations of numbers. It's real numbers and another confirm that GM more flexible in sales than Mazda. It's one of reason I got better deal in GM. I even got better deal on Nissan and Toyota than Mazda. They're so proud that some magazine called the CUV of the year, and they thought people will buy because of this. Nope, not the case. Well they will have award, GM will have sales.
I'm not proving anything. I just gave you facts and numbers. I'm sharing my opinion. Thanks God it's a free country. God Bless America.
My numbers were just as real as yours, but I wanted to demonstrate how easy it is to twist any numbers to make a point. In my case, you could argue that the Acadias should be selling a lot more, since GM sells so many more vehicles than Mazda. Acadia sales were only 2.4% of total GM sales in November, while CX-9 sales were 14% of Mazda sales. That's a huge number for Mazda.
That's a little mixed up. You say its facts and numbers, but also your opinion. Sounds like, based on that, that your opinion is more sales = better vehicle.
By the way, my response to your posts are opinions too