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  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    "Here's a few areas where the cheap Hyundai VC beats your Acadia:
    - expected resale values on Kelley Blue Book the Acadia lags behind the VC for both 07 and 08 models (thru 5 yrs). Not bad for people looking for a cheap ride as you call it.
    Warranty. Why doesn't GMC stand behind their product for longer than 3/36 for the bumper-to-bumper warranty? I get 5/60 which means $0 out of pocket for those last 2/24. Hope you bought an extended warranty on your Acadia? Based on reliability studies GMC and Hyundia rank about the same so you are as likely to have a problem as I am. I also get better powertrain and corrosion warranties."

    1. Expected. That's right. Kelly Blue Book has no valid numbers. Who cares what number will be by Kelly blue book. Try to sell or trade using this numbers.It's only for dealership, how to screw you more. No valid point on this.
    2. $0, if you will do all recommended maintenance right at dealer. So you will pay a lot money for schedule maintenance. So no valid point either.
    At the end if you will try to sell it, you will loose more money, just because it's Hyundai, not a GM or Honda or Toyota. I don't do any extended warranties. Never bought, never will. It's waist of money. Never pays off. It's applies for house appliances too. They covered, but ........ always BUT. Let's come back in four - five years here, and see who's right.
    In the end on this forum best CUV's are CX-9, VC, Outlander, TX; the worst one Acadia, Highlander, Pilot, MDX,RX..... Is it something wrong here? Oh, I guess cheaper is better. Good. But... nothing.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I don't try to insult anybody.
    My point is ok to pay 20-30 grand for Hyundai, but 40 grand plus for this car it's insane.


    It seems you are caught in a loop of insults. Do you not get it?

    We get it, you feel Hyundai is inferior, but deriding others for choosing it and saying how much they feel they would pay for it - IS AN INSULT. C'mon Vad, surely you understand this.

    I'm shocked, on this forum at beginning everyone like CX-9, and then the VC becomes better choice. How is in the world you can compare CX-9 to VC?

    I can't speak for others, but I'm not defending the vehicle or claiming it to be, as you say, "better choice." I'm defending the people who you insult over and over for choosing something because THEY FIND IT BETTER SUITED TO THEIR NEEDS than you do. GET OVER IT VAD, THE GM LAMBDA CUVs AREN'T THE BEST TO EVERYONE. Do you get it yet?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Take a deep breath ...

    Count to 10 ...

    Engage mouse scroll wheel ... ;)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    . $0, if you will do all recommended maintenance right at dealer
    Vad, you're wrong on this, sorry.

    I don't do any extended warranties. Never bought, never will. It's waist of money. Never pays off.
    sorry, wrong on this one too, because of your word choice "never" in that they "never pays off"

    Folks may just want to stop responding to Vad. If you read the comments, I think you'll realize there's something "odd" about them :surprise:

    Let's come back in four - five years here, and see who's right.
    on this you're right on, so why not just come back and give us a post then, I'm sure most folks can wait till then ;)
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    "I can't speak for others, but I'm not defending the vehicle or claiming it to be, as you say, "better choice." .I'm defending the people who you insult over and over for choosing something because THEY FIND IT BETTER SUITED TO THEIR NEEDS than you do."

    I think you're doing a trolling. You don't have any position, you're swinging between different cars. So, give me you're "better choice", that I can recored for future refernces.
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    The extended warranties in most case not working, it's even CR reported the way dealer makes money. Same about electronics CC or Best buy got huge profits from extended warranties.
    So, until 100K most cars don’t have problems in our days, after 100k it's used car. I've always keep car just over 100k, than trade or better sell it.
    "May be it needs for Ford TX?!"
    I had extended warranty for Explorer; dealer gave away for free, or may be left from previous owner. So for 5 years i never use it.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    I've always keep car just over 100k,

    How long do you think it will take you to put $100K on your Acadia? I guess you won't be in the market for another car until then.

    Actually, since you had a trouble-free Explorer for 5 years I'd think you'd get another Ford since you've had such good luck from them!
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    yes I do if Ford will have good model. Before Acadia came up and I had smaller family, I thought to buy Edge. I have test drove for whole day. it's good car. Only one problem needs little more power or better trans. settings. The trans and power ratio one of the biggest problem in domestics cars. They look underpower, compare to made in japan. The best ratio power in the Nissan cars.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    Maybe because Nissan is going for power and many of the domestics are trying for better MPG...depends on what you want. Do you need the power for towing, or do you just like the extra zip when you press the gas?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    However, the VC is not called "the Hyundai" but rather "the Veracruz" is their name of choice for it. It's like they are afraid to call it by the mfrs name.

    Very interesting.

    In fact we're talking about Hyundai in this thread, if you want to hop over and share that tidbit:

    ateixeira, "Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?" #1141, 18 Jan 2008 10:38 am

    Hyundai wants to make Kia their value brand and move Hyundai upscale, but as good as the cars are, the memory of the name is still a handicap IMHO.

    It's simply hard to fathom that the company that used to make the Excel and Scoupe make the Veracruz. Night and day.

    Maybe they should launch a new brand?

    Bad timing, as we approach a likely recession. Remember right before the last one, Mazda yanked plans for their upscale division, what was it going to be called, Amati IIRC?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I think you're doing a trolling. You don't have any position, you're swinging between different cars. So, give me you're "better choice", that I can recored for future refernces.

    I refuse - there is no "better choice" overall. It will vary along with each person's likes and needs.

    I'm not supporting one car over another here, because to each his own best choice. It's a shame you don't (or refuse to) understand that important fact.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I think you're doing a trolling.

    This stops here. The next personal snipe by anyone gets a personal letter from me. :)

    tidester, host
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  • cason1cason1 Posts: 65
    For example it doesn’t have variable effort steering as option.

    For once you are right...it's not an option. It is standard. :P

    At least do a little research before you blast someone's choice.
  • cjsbcjsb Posts: 71
    I'm OK if vad doesn't like my car. I'll get over it. Eventually. :cry:

    You made a good choice with the Acadia vad. I think you should enjoy it. Just because I, or others, felt another vehicle was better than the Acadia for me/us, don't sweat it so much. I'm not sure what you are chasing. Are you looking for every member to agree that the Acadia is the best of the lot and end the discussion there?

    You've shared your feelings on the matter - abundantly. I (and the others) hear you. But it may be time to move past. I don't think any of the vehicles in this thread are bad choices. In fact I think they are all very good choices. I've driven pretty much all of them, some several times. We're fortunate we all have the resources to even consider them in our car purchase decision.

    I'll try and lead us in another, slightly more productive, positive direction...

    The CX9 SUCKS! :P
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    The CX9 SUCKS!

    I have to go against that. The CX-9 was a great example of breaking the mold. I like that they tried to bring sport CUV to the mainstream- and they were decently succesful (It doesn't look awesome, but they did a decent styling job.
  • cjsbcjsb Posts: 71
    Sorry. My poor attempt at levity I suppose. The CX9 does not suck. It's quite good in fact.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Remember right before the last one, Mazda yanked plans for their upscale division, what was it going to be called, Amati IIRC?

    That's correct. Remember, Mazda was in rough shape back then. Mazda did actually produce a luxury vehicle under the Amati name, but, since the brand never launched, they named it the Millenia. I still get people to this day looking for the Millenia, or the current Mazda equivalent, and the Mazda6 just dose not quite cut it.

    I think Mazda needs to perfect their brand quality and image before they can attempt a launch of a luxury line again. I'm actually surprised that Nissan succeeded with Infiniti, considering they were in dire straights when they launched Infiniti.
  • cason1cason1 Posts: 65
    I had a Millenia S. It was really a seriously under appreciated car. Very nice car to roll up big miles on trips in. Not the best handling car I've ever owned, but that wasn't really it's mission. The controls were very good and it was very reliable. On the down side, it depreciated like crazy I bought it used so I didn't get killed as bad as the first owner) and considering the size of the v-6, the gas mileage was pretty poor.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    What you just said it what I hear constantly. People loved it. Mazda never got a chance to refine it, and just kicked it to the curb after 2002. The only other car Mazda was going to place in the Amati name was the Eunos Cosmo, a 300hp rotary luxury vehicle with technology similar to i-drive from BMW, only 10 years earlier. The car was way ahead of its time.

    Back to crossovers!
  • ylzylz Posts: 45
    Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum but am about to purchase a 2008 Tribeca 5 Pas/Limited. Now I am really torn about getting the black exterior with beige interior or the diamond gray exterior with gray interior. I wanted black on black but obviously that's not possible. The beige interior is much nicer in person and I always wanted a black SUV. But people keep telling me to stay away from black cars cause they're so dam hard to keep clean. Has anyone that had a black car share some insight to this. Now the diamond gray color is also gorgeous on the outside. You guys let me know which one you like better. Thanks.
  • White is actually harder to keep clean than black is.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    White is actually harder to keep clean than black is

    White carpet. I'd say black leather is harder to keep clean.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    So the Explorer really does move to a unibody platform. In my oppinion, If the production vehhicle looks half as good in comparison to this as the Flex looks in comparison to the Fairlane concept, Ford's got a hit. And it can't be all about looks either. Ford has to include some of the features from the concept, like the turbo 4 and six.
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    we have a black/black limited FS and I'm not sure I would get black again despite it looking great when clean. It really does not take long for it to look dirty once washed. mine is parked on the street though and if you are garaging yours that might sway me to think about getting it. other than that if it's a day in/day out ride clean is going to be a challenge.

    in the end though get what you like as you are the one making the payments and looking at it everyday... good luck
  • I bought a black Impala for my granddaughter.

    That's the color she asked for-----------now regrets the choice----too hard to keep it looking clean.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    And it can't be all about looks either. Ford has to include some of the features from the concept, like the turbo 4 and six.

    Take this with a grain of salt right now, but the info I've read on a Ford forum is that the next Explorer, which will be unibody, is slated for production in Summer 2009 as a 2010 model. Right about the same time a new Taurus is due on a new version of the D3 (Volvo XC90, S80, Taurus, Taurus X, etc) platform. It seems like the next Explorer might use that platform too. Should keep the price down and the safety up if nothing else.

    I can't see why they wouldn't use the EcoBoost I4 and V6 with the new unibody chassis. Towing will be limited by the chassis anyway so a V8 or a big V6 are unnecessary IMO. Looks like Ford will be telling everyone who needs to tow anything over 3500 or 4000 lbs to buy an F-150 or Expedition.

    The new blowns engines are said, by Ford, to increase fuel econ over the current Explorer's V6 and V8 by 20% and 30%. However they don't say which one increases by 20% or 30%. Given the 4.0L Cologne V6s age I'd guess it is the one that gets a 30% boost in fuel econ by being replaced with a more powerful blow I4. That would mean it goes from 13 city to 17 city and 19 highway to 25 highway.

    I'll be watching this one very closely. If they do it right then it might be worth waiting for. They need to get rid of the "bold" grille though IMO.
  • I've owned two black cars (not a Tribeca though). I have to agree that black is a tough color to keep clean. Any amount of dust, dirt, or salt stands out! In addition, in the summer time, a black car is super hot when it's been sitting in the sun.

    After my first black car, I told myself that I wouldn't get another. However, when I was purchased the second black car, it was the end of the model year so I pretty much had to take what the dealer had.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats in advance, I truly enjoyed test driving the Tribeca and the pearlescent paint colors on it are gorgeous. The black contrasts nicely with the chrome and when clean probably looks best.

    Having said that, black will keep you up at night. It can look dirty the day after you wash it, as any dust will show. Swirl marks from polishing will also show easily. And top it off with a very light colored beige interior which will show foot prints when your kids step in with muddy feet, and that's about the worst color combo from a practical stand point.

    It pains me to say that because I think the beige interior actually does look better, but why oh why did they choose such a light shade? How 'bout a mocha color or something?

    So gorgeous color combo, yes, but high maintenance.

    The diamond gray pearl coat is also sort of dark, but better than black for sure, and the dark gray interior won't look dirty the 2nd day you own it.
  • White is actually harder to keep clean than black is.

    Arrrg, I gotta quit posting so early in the morning (or was it late at night) :P

    I, of course, had that completely backwards (at least for cars).

    Lighter vehicles are actually easier to keep *looking* clean than darker vehicles.
  • >> but [CR] categorize the Outlander in the Forester's class, and the Subaru scores higher by their measures.

    I was not very familiar with Forester, but after looking at its specs I would say it’s quite miserably equipped vs. the Outlander. And don’t see where the Forester “sores higher”. Forester has none of these: Xenons, LED, 40 GB hard drive based Navigation, music server, FAST key, keyless start, rear view camera, parking sensors, premium stereo with 650-watt amplifier, DVD player, 6-speed auto transmission, sportronic stick shifter, paddle shifters, steering wheel stereo and cruise controls, triple mode AWD, 3rd row seat which includes front/side air bags, split 2nd row seat. In addition the Outlander comes with 5/10 warranty, free 5 year roadside assistance, V6 which is smoother vs. 4cyl turbo, using regular gasoline. The 2008 Outlander according to Consumer Reports also has the best predicted reliability in the small SUV class (along with Honda Element).
    .

    >> The just-released 2009 model has 8.9" of ground clearance and is as much as crossover as anything else in the class, if not more so.

    It’s not quite released yet. But even 2009 model is still under equipped, missing many of the features I listed above and available on 2007 Outlander.
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