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  • dlh4dlh4 Member Posts: 26
    I'm not sure you actually saw an RDV in person or just saw one on the TV, but my wife and all of our friends who we have shown pictures to, like the looks of this SUV. It will be about 3 weeks till I get my RDV and I can't wait to show it off to my friends and co-workers. Also, just to show that the beauty of a vehicle is in the eye of the beholder, my friends who own a M320 have heard from several friends that they should be happy they are on the inside so they don't have to look at it while they drive. See you on the road, and take a goood long look.
  • boondocksboondocks Member Posts: 57
    Yes, it is indeed true that you have to buy the luxury package to get captains chairs. I have two in carseats, so I researched it quite a bit. Finally, I decided the versatility pakage was better for me, since I plan on having the RDV for a good many years to come, and the oldest would only be in a carseat for about one more year. In tearing apart a RDV with a salesman, we concluded that the captains chairs and the bench seat both latched into the same floor base. So if you are really set on captains chairs, grill your salesman on what he might be able to do for you. Maybe he can order a pair of captains chairs separately (this is purely conjecture here) or swap seats with another vehicle on the lot or something. Good luck!
  • 3ms3ms Member Posts: 14
    Thanks for the response on the captain's chairs! I'm assuming then that since you went with the versatility package, that you opted for the 2nd row bench instead of the captain's chairs. How is that working out with 2 carseats? Do you have to take one of the carseats out each time in order to fold that seat up for passengers to get to the third row?

    By the way, I've only seen 1 RDV on the road in my neck of the woods - and that was about a month ago. I guess they haven't caught on here yet....
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I think the RDV looks good, but has some awkward elements. So does the MDX and ML320. I was at Target today shopping for a kite for my daughter and as I was returning to my RDV, I saw two young women (20ish) staring at my car talking to each other. As I got closer, one of them asked me if it was my car. When I said it was, she smiled and told me she thought it looked very nice. The only other car I've ever owned that got unsolicited complements was my old Alfa Romeo!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Has anyone else noticed that after the mirror has tilted down when reversing, it doesn't return to the exact same position? It seems to stay aimed slightly down.

    Actually, it seems to me that, whenever I get in the car, the passenger mirror is always somewhere other than where I last set it.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I missed the internet WAY too much over the last few days. I think I might need to check myself into a treatment facility!

    Maybe there is an online support group for internet addicts?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Saw a few Rendezvous' on my trip down to Niagara Falls today. The one thing that strikes you about these vehicles is the height. They sure do stand tall! As for looks, I think they are a little quirky, but I generally like them a lot. Still no reason to take RDV off my shopping list for next year.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Hope you had a nice trip. The posse arrived just in the nick of time...we can always use a good back-up.

    I don't recall our mirrors doing as you indicated. My wife drives the car every day, but I only drive it once in a while. Next time she lets me drive it, I'll check it out.

    I abandoned Ekzur & The Aztecs (sounds like a band). Too much of a waste of time... They've probably had 250 posts since you've been gone. I had thrown a couple Bingo posts there in your absence.

    Hope you come off your internet withdrawals okay.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I think the support group is right here :-) Glad to have you back, and have fun catching up on the Lawnmower posts.

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I had a great trip, albeit unusual for me in that I never got adjusted to the time zone change (I ususally have no problem). I didn't fall asleep until 4:00 am every morning and slept until almost 11:00 am (eastern time) every day. As a result, I missed about half the conference (I didn't get my attendance certificate because I didn't attend enough classes...Boo hoo).

    I did manage to visit the Law Enforcement Memorial and the Holocaust Museum, two sites that I have not previously seen during past visits. They were both moving (especially the latter).
    Also for the first time, I used the metro system extensively, and am very impressed! It is the model of efficiency and practicality.

    Oh yeah, I didn't see any RDV's during my trip.

    regards,

    Brian

    P.S. I will catch up on the lawnmower posts...they are great! As for the Aztek forum, it ran away from me...and it can keep running for all I care. I'm not going back.
  • boondocksboondocks Member Posts: 57
    I haven't purchased yet, it will probably be closer to the end of the year before I'm behind the wheel. But I am going to get the second row bench for the extra seat. My oldest is in a combo carseat/booster, and it is 10 times easier to install and uninstall than the regular carseat my youngest is in. Since the third row seat is probably only going to get occasional use, I think I can live with popping out his seat occasionally for a relatively short while. Within 6-12 months he's going to go to using the booster part of the seat, in which case it isn't even going to be "installed".


    Speaking of carseat installation, anyone know if the RDV is LATCH-ready? Apparently, by Sept of 2002, the lower anchorage part will be required in all cars, minivans, and light trucks.

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/childps/csr2001/flyer/latchFlyer.html

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    The RDV is LATCH ready. The anchors are already in place, although I have yet to find a car seat which uses the LATCH system. I've decided to stick with my current car seats instead of purchase a new one.

    Also, unlike my Accord which requires a metal clip to "lock" the shoulder/lap belt for a car seat, the RDV seat belts "lock" by themselves and restrain a car seat VERY securely.

    We have one front facing car seat and one booster seat in our middle row bench and there is still room for an adult to sit in between!
  • boondocksboondocks Member Posts: 57
    Glad to hear about the locking seat belts. On my current vehicle, the front seat belts lock across the lap belt (lock from the bottom), but in the rear seat they lock on the shoulder (from the top) which I have found to be almost useless in securing a carseat down firmly to the seat bench without that %^$&^$& locking clip. I have put my newborns in my front seat (no airbags in that ancient thing), and the seat was much easier to install with the lock-from-the-bottom type seat belt.

    I haven't heard of any carseats marketing themselves as LATCH-ready yet either.
  • hotcoffeehotcoffee Member Posts: 218
    I meant no offense with my design comments.

    I don't blame anyone for choosing a vehicle that suits family needs.

    Hey, I drive a car that A LOT of people think is DAWG U G L Y (an Xterra). But I love it. So don't take me too seriously.

    If I sketch up what I think would improve the RDV, you'll be the first to see it.

    Have fun drivin'
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    As fedlawman (back from his trip) and others will attest, there are certain things that would be nice if they were different w/ the RDV. But unfortunately we can't have everything exactly like we'd like it, much like you said for your X-terra.

    Anyway, all-in-all, it's a pretty good (Not fabulous) looking car w/ lots of nice attributes.

    btw, it was spiritman1 who made the suggestion for a sketch, which I think was a good idea; If you come up w/ something, we'd all love to see it. Thanks for dropping in on the RDV forum.
  • ra1der5ra1der5 Member Posts: 86
    Yup, still in lurk mode.

    We attended a "customer appreciation" night at our dealership. Dinner, sodas, cookies, and oh yea... info about our new purchase. I'd say maybe 70 people were there. They talked about service, new car road-side assistance, vehicle maintenance and safety. They blew off an airbag to show what we can expect in the event of a water landing. Overall, it was pretty informative. They washed our car and sent us on our way with a car polishing cloth. Our dealership now has 3 RDVs on the lot and they aren't moving very quickly.

    With 1,100 miles on the car we are averaging 22 mpg mixed city and hwy (calculated at the pump... not using the computer). Anyone else calculate mileage at the pump?

    Thanks to my son learning to throw, we have a broken part to replace. A mere $230 for a broken switch on the rear audio controls. We can't replace the $2 switch, we have to replace the whole control panel (or so I'm told... still looking into this). Oh well, once the Rangers call for a new pitcher, my son can pay for the damages through his earnings. In the mean while, I'm putting up a plexi-glass shield to protect myself and the car from future projectiles.

    Boondocks - I can confirm Fedlaw's comments about securing the child seat. Very easy and very secure (aside from the projectiles)! And the RDV is equiped with the child seat anchors.

    Fedlaw - "Addicted"? Waking up late? Missing meetings? All signs of a SERIOUS problem. In your field, this sounds like a reportable issue. ; )

    J325 - Hey! Training camp is here! We're comin' to get ya... we'll see the 49ers in a few weeks.

    Go Raiders!

    R5
  • boondocksboondocks Member Posts: 57
    Ok, even though I'm just about 100% sure that the RDV will be my next vehicle, every once in a while I waffle back to giving the '02 Mountaineer some consideration. I guess it's just because I've always had a truck or truck-like vehicle (except for the starving college student Ford Tempo 4cyl wimp-mobile year - shudder), and I like the "go anywhere" feeling, even if the farthest off-road I go is a well-beaten dirt path with a few dips. Then I go over to the Explorer/Mountaineer board, and while everyone seems pretty satisfied with their new purchases, they all mention this or that little noise or rattle or clunk, or some major or minor part they just replaced, or shattering glass (!). This on brand new vehicles. So, for the reality check part, are there ANY weird noises, or mechanical problems whatsoever (except that light in mmeehan's RDV) that anyone has experienced that maybe you haven't mentioned?
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    All's okay here. I even asked my wife if she noticed any wind/whistling noise on her 6 hour-each-way-trip to L.A. (She and kids vacationed while I worked; hardly seems fair). She said she didn't notice any at all.

    Are only complaint, which is quite minor, is that you have to slam the tailgate pretty hard so that it doesn't register as "tailgate ajar". However, there was at least one poster here, cwj or Tony B. who said they didn't have to slam their tailgate. BTW, where are you guys Tony and cwj; seems like you guys have been gone quite a while?

    Ra1der5: Nice to hear you're alive-and-well; sorry to hear about your son making a "strike-zone" out of the rear stereo controls. Hope you can find a reasonable fix for it. - - Look forward to the bay-to-bay game: hopefully the 9ers will be up to the task. Don't be such a lurker, get back to your normal postings!

    Go 9er's
    John B.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I'll agree with John. We find our RDV to be exceptionally solid feeling and noise/rattle free, even on bumpy roads! In fact, this is one of the traits that impressed us the most when we first test drove the RDV.

    The feel and quality of interior knobs and trim is very good. Tactile feel is very nice and the controls are of high quality (even GM's notorious left side all-in-one stalk feels just right).

    I don't have to slam the tail gate to close it, it feels the same as any minivan tail gate I've ever used.
  • tallmanswifetallmanswife Member Posts: 12
    Enjoying the notes... Looking seriously at RDV, MDX, even Highlander. Havent had chance to get into RDV yet -- anyone out there tall? My husband is 6'5", all legs (42 inch inseam). In regular cars his knees are up to his ears, poor guy. Currently driving 92 Previa because it fits him (and is a GREAT vehicle, still cruising at 150k miles). But we've move to top of long icy hill and need AWD now.
  • bonabillbonabill Member Posts: 7
    fedlawman-I've noticed the exact same thing with the side view mirror, doesn't return to the original position and it seems to have its own way where it ends up.

    tallmanswife-I'm 6'4" tall and the RDV is quite comfortable. The tilt mechanism on the steering wheel has a good range allowing for lots of room between the bottom of the steering wheel and the seat. Also the seat adjustment allows for a good amount of room for my legs, but I'm no 42" inseam that's for sure. That is a lot of leg!!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Good to know it's not my imagination.
  • 3ms3ms Member Posts: 14
    boondocks -if we do end up buying a RDV, it probably won't be until next year so we may be in the same situation with carseats.

    Regarding the LATCH system - the only carseat I have heard of is the Britax carseat. I believe it's the Britax Expressway version that has the LATCH system. Also, I've heard Century and Fischer Price (Safe Embrace II?) may have one as well.

    By the way, I saw my first RDV out in public and up close at a pizza place in southern Illinois. When we walked in to the restaurant, we tried to pick out who we thought the RDV owners were - we never did find out for sure though! Yes, I know, we need to get a life if we are "stalking" RDV owners on Saturday nights now! :-)
  • denis9denis9 Member Posts: 12
    Just took delivery of my RDV last Friday and I'm missing the owner's manual. I just want to make sure I get everything I'm supposed to. Is there also a separate book for on-star? What about a key tag? Is there also supposed to be a road assistance wallet size card? Any info is welcome.

    (I remember seing a note in this forum where someone got a French-Canadian manual, I would have taken it since I'm French-Canadian!!!)

    By the way, I still like my RDV although I find it makes a boomy sound every time I hit small bumps on the highway (lots of them in the province of Quebec!). My other car is a Grand Cherokee which does not suffer as much from the same bumps. I wonder if this has something to do with the Firestone tires on my RDV.

    Other than that, I really think the RDV is "all good". Some will say it's a bit underpowered. At 2$ a gallon, I think 185 HPs is an excellent compromize...

    Thanks
  • habitanthabitant Member Posts: 7
    Denis 9 Re Manual, I have one in french and one in English; I live in tne province ofQuebec.
    If I can be of some help let me know, I might be able to send one to you.Regards
  • denis9denis9 Member Posts: 12
    Thanks (merci) for the offer Habitant. The dealer told me he would have the book(s?) on Monday.

    I just wanted to be sure I'm not missing anything else.
  • queenbee2queenbee2 Member Posts: 4
    Just got back yesterday from a 1,800 mile-plus trip from N. New York to Chicago area with 3 kids--all in booster or car seats. Our RDV did a great job!

    Put the 6 & 7 year old girls in the 3rd seat and the 3 year old in the middle bench on the side. (Though I had to use a &*% clip. Obviously I didn't figure out the right way to get that belt to lock.) We then stacked suitcases on the seat next to him. This way everyone got his/her own cupholders (!) and "Personal space" (less opportunity for "Mommy, he/she's hitting me!).

    Getting the girls in and out of the third seat was interesting. Either lifted them through the tailgate opening and over the back of the seat. Or they climbed in stepping on their brother's car seat to get over the 2nd seat. They didn't seem to mind and I think they enjoyed the novelty of it. The lack of cargo space when the third seat is up is a bit of a challenge, but putting luggage on the middle seat worked out find.

    We averaged 22.7 mpg (using computer) on highway driving and didn't have any problem keeping up with traffic. The stereo system volume that goes up as the car goes faster was really nifty, noticed it when I slowed down to 25 mph on a highway interchange and the stereo suddently got softer. And the auto climate control was great as the temperature changed 20 degrees during one drive and we didn't have to do a bit of fiddling with the controls.

    The girls complained that the rear stereo speakers weren't working so we'll have that checked out when we take it in for its first LOF.

    My husband and I had fun setting/playing with the On-star system while cruising the interstate. VERY cool the way the stereo is turns off as soon as On-star is activated and that the incoming calls come in through ALL the stereo speakers--very clear sound. Also fun to get the weather as we drove along the road. The On-star people (the live ones, not the "recorded lady")were VERY solicitious. I don't think my husband had ever dealt with anybody who apparently cared so much about his welfare and happiness!

    In our neck of the woods, only two RDV have been sold, but both ours and the other one were sold pretty much sight unseen. The dealer won't get another one until September and he's unhappy 'cause this is SUV country (Severe winter weather.) I saw one in the Adirondack Park. And a couple while we were on vacation.

    We've definitely gotten favorable reactions to it. In the Chicago-area we were staying in a upscale suburban area (loaded with MB, Lexus, Jags, etc.). I came out of the store and there was a guy standing looking at my RDV. Told him about all the bells and whistles and he said that he was thinking about buying a MB, but that the RDV sounded good. (He'd seen it advertised on TV the night before.) Also, in Gary, IN we were stopped at a stop light, a guy honked at us, and asked if our car "was one of those new Buicks!" Kinda cool.

    One complaint--The lower part of the center console (where, I think, you're supposed to be able to put your purse)is not really accessible once you're in your seat. There's not enough room down by your legs to maneuver something in and out. It does work for storing CD and Kleenex though.

    Today I spent the day vacuuming out mucho debris (Pringles, Skittles, etc.) and it was really quite easy. The way the seats are configured, I could pretty much reach every nook and cranny to get out the gunk.

    All in all, we're very pleased.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    Denis9 - There is another booklet for the OnStar system and there should also be a key tag (with a number stamp for replacements). I don't think I recall getting a wallet card since the 800 number for OnStar is etched on all the windows (along with the VIN). The roadside assist 800 number is also printed on a sticker on the windows.
    BTW, I too have noticed a sort of "hollow booming" sound when driving over lane divider "bumps" on the highway. The tires may well be the culprit but personally, I think it has more to do with the large interior volume of the RDV.

    Queenbee - Great trip report! It sounds like your packaging solution worked very well. BTW, regarding the sound of the rear speakers; I believe that they are woofers only and are not designed to reproduce the 20Hz - 20KHz spectrum of a full-range speaker.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    That was a great post about a great trip. Wow 1800 miles! Sounds like you've learned how to adapt to the RDV space quite well.

    As for the rear row speakers: Someone here had said that the woofers are in the rear row, and hence the reason that the 3rd row can't hear everything. I guess all they're getting is base. ?? I don't now how we'd cure that. I believe Lance is an audiophile and could assist us all. One idea might be to route the headsets back to the 3rd row. (would require a lengthy cord though).

    If you get a chance, sign in at the Owners' forum. Slowly, but surely, the posts there are gaining activity. You might even beat Ra1der5 if you post soon.

    R5: sounds like you had a great time at the dealer party. I'm sure your kids enjoyed it too. Are you boycotting the owners' forum??
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    I was typing while you were replying to Queenbee. Pardon the redundacy. I think we're on the same page re: woofers.
  • jmfreshourjmfreshour Member Posts: 57
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Saw 5 Rendezvous' on my travels this weekend to the Kingston ON area and back to Toronto. You certainly can't miss them on the highway. The thing that still strikes me is the height. My test drive last month is still keeping me tuned to this board. Hopefully Buick has put some long term reliability into this truck. So far it looks good.

    BTW. Don't agree with that USA today review, but it's one guy's opinion so whatever.
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Article mentioned a few running changes in the works (rear gate latch, handle), anyone know when they're coming?

    Also, anyone tried to carry a couple bikes in the back without removing the front wheels?

    Wonder if Buick has any plans to drop the 3.8L in this, even better the supercharged version...
  • landerson3landerson3 Member Posts: 1
    Howdy all! We're in Northeastern Pennsylvania and have loved looking all all your posts and comments on the Rendezvous. We are seriously considering an RDV (having driven nearly everything else on the market for 2001/2002) since only it and the Aztek have the heads-up display my husband needs to help with his colorblind eyeballs
    While testing an RDV (way more than once ), it appeared that it is very difficult to see other vehicles while backing up. The rear window is very high, and the sensors did not always sound or blink as we approached a lower vehicle (making parallel parking "interesting"). Has anyone had a problem (boinked a car or bicycle) while trying to use the "parking assist"? I hadn't noticed the "failure to return to previous setting" of the tilt-down side mirror but maybe I wasn't paying attention.
    We are also considering the trailer towing package (not that we tow anything!) because of its extra cooling capabilities. However, it also comes with the auto leveling shocks. When we test drove a Bravada (for the third time!) we heard a hissing noise and a rapid "chit-chit-chit-chit-chit" while we were simply changing drivers on a semi-level parking lot. On the Bravada page they are talking about leaking levelers and cars that are lower in the morning than at night and so on.

    Does anyone have experience with the load leveler shock system on the RDV? Is it as noisy or come on regularly to compensate for shifting terrain?

    We think that we might go with the Sedona Bronze Mist with oak cloth/leather trim interior. Anyone have trouble keeping the light floor mats clean?

    Linda
  • bymclaughbymclaugh Member Posts: 103
    Howdy all,


    Been at bit busy in these parts lately, so I haven't had time to post much, but I have been checking in and reading when I had the chance. Now that things are finally calming down, I wanted to toss up a couple of posts.


    First off, read the USA today review and can't say I agree with it. I agree with some of the items mentioned, but to me the reviewer really seemed to be a "Glass is Half Empty" kinda guy, and the little things that bugged him seemed to overwhelm everything else. If you'd like to read a different opinion, try here:


    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=3921&sid=181&n=157


    There was also a more positive review from the NY Times posted on the internal GM network today (titled "A Glorified Van or a Grand Slam?") however, you can't get to it on the NY Times site without a user ID, and I don't think its kosher for me to repost it here in its entirety, but I could summarize it if people are interested.


    In other RDV news, is it just me or is there some good interest in this vehicle out there. So far we've had 4 surveys related to this vehicle, 3 by mail and 1 by phone. We've gotten the typical survey about "how was your buying experience?" to the J.D. Power intial quality survey. Pretty interesting, and pretty unusual for me as I've never gotten this many surveys on a vehicle before. And to be honest, I haven't had much of anything bad to say about it. Mostly just the doors not unlocking all of the time when you pull the key from the IGN. That and the ocassional "booming" noise I hear when driving. Other than that, our opinion has been very positive. Has anyone else been getting a lot of surveys on the RDV?


    Great to hear all those real world RDV exploits too! Keep em coming!


    BY

  • bymclaughbymclaugh Member Posts: 103
    Fedlawman, now that you mention it, the mirrors do seem to act a bit off. We don't use the reverse tilt down feature, however, my wife and I are quite different in height so when I drive it and the presets all go to Driver 2, the driver's side mirror always seems a tad bit off. I've re-adjusted it a couple of times, and re-saved the settings, but it always seems just a tad off. I wasn't sure if it was just me, or if it was the RDV, but after reading your post, I'm beginning to think it might be the RDV. Well, file that under "Things that make you go Hmmm..."

    BY
  • bymclaughbymclaugh Member Posts: 103
    OK, so we got the RDV in early May, and now it's about three months later and we've got 6,000 miles on it. That would be fine other than we leased it and need to average 15,000 miles a year. Doing the math so far, we're headed for over 20k this year alone. Which means we have to cut back on driving it for a while. Which means we probably can't take it on our vacation next month, even though I really want to. D'oh! Oh well, at least there's no kiddies in the picture (yet) so we really don't need the extra space the RDV offers over the Bonneville, but it's still a great vehicle for long road trips, IMHO.

    OK, just venting, back to normal business...

    BY
  • ustravelerustraveler Member Posts: 3
    This is my first-ever message board experience, but I thought it was time to join in. (I've been reading them since May so I'm getting the idea but I sure don't know many of these acronyms!) I have a Sedona Bronze CXL w/luxury and trailer packages, sunroof and 6Disc CD. I like my RDV but am not as enthusiastic as many here.

    I too have the problem with the pass. side mirror not returning to the correct position after it tilts down and am going to disable it, at least until I get it looked at. I also was disappointed that I didn't get the tire pressure monitor (I don't even know if they're making it yet; Buick was very frustrating to try and get any answers from before I bought it). And my car was delivered w/no compressor hose for the tow package (but the dealer has ordered it). I also don't like that the only way to adjust the vent louvers open/close is to change their direction; why is there not a separate open/close lever like on most vehicles?

    However, my major source of frustration that I have not seen addressed here could be a possible major problem for many I think -- and I'm guessing others just aren't aware of it yet. I asked my dealer to go over how to handle changing the tire if I got a flat, and we both then discovered in reading the owner's manual that (at least if you don't have the 3rd row seat) that you need an extension for the wrench to unscrew and release the compact spare (due to the "cargo management system" preventing the wrench from turning freely). The manual shows the extension in the diagram, and tells you where you should find it in the RDV (it's not there nor a place for it). We finally figured out there's a slot for it on the right side of the same compartment where you unscrew the spare (but no extension still). Finally, to make a long story short, I've learned after numerous conversations w/the dealer and various people @ Buick, they haven't yet made this part, but do have a vendor "lined up" even though they can still give me no date as to when I can expect it.

    I'm very disappointed in my dealer's and Buick's failure to address this problem, especially since no one seemed aware of it or that concerned about it until I kept pressing the matter. And based on my experience, I still wouldn't know I needed this vital part until I was stranded! I thought I should alert others so they're aware of it also (or does anyone else know something I don't or already have this extension?!) Has anyone had to use the spare yet? I've been waiting a month already and this has unfortunately really soured me on my new Buick (I've driven mainly Oldsmobiles before this but felt the new Bravada was too big, had no rear parking assist and the cupholders were useless).

    Check it our for yourselves before you have the need to see if you're also in the same situation (and please let me know what response you get!). Also, my dealer told me there was no "knock out plug" for the keys, just a code -- is this right?

    Finally (sorry this is so long), I just want to say how much I've enjoyed learning from everyone's posts here -- it seems like a nice group of intelligent people who like to help out others, and also have a good sense of humor! Thanks for all of your comments!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    You don't need a wrench extension to change a flat tire. All you need is a cell phone!

    Seriously though...you're right, I don't think anyone has even bothered to look and see what's in there (I know I haven't). BTW, since the key has a chip in it for the security system, the code is all you need because Home Depot can't cut you a new one, you have to go to the dealer for a new one.

    BTW, welcome to the group. I think you'll find that we are all really pleased with our RDV's. Even though the road to ownership was a little bumpy, it was actually a pretty fun ride!
  • spiritman1spiritman1 Member Posts: 57
    I ordered my RDV 5 weeks ago and have heard nothing.....I checked last week and the dealer said he knew nothing....I called again Friday and he said he would try to find out something and get back to me early this week. Does anyone know how to best ask for information or how the dealer can track the building of my RDV?
    thanks
    Spiritman
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    I know the RDV was marketed as 2002 from the start, however...

    I wonder if there will be a "2002.5" model that would coincide with plant changeover to the 2002 Aztek? If there are to be any second-year/ running changes to RDV that might be the time they come.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    I read USA Today review. All-in-all, things that he says are accurate. He fails, however, to mention, as the reviewer in the review shared by bym, the excellent versatile cargo space. Also the fold-down-flat 3rd row comfort & versatility is not brought out. And yes, while he encourages a van, many people, my wife included, consider them out-of-style. It's amazing what style trends will do: consider the poor station wagon.

    The review bym shared w/ us is obviously much more positive, but he leaves out some of the negatives. btw, thanks Brian for sharing that add'l review.

    The one annoyance to me (I've mentioned before) is that the tailgate has to be slammed so hard to get it to close properly. Who knows, in time GM may have a fix for it.

    Landerson3: You're correct in saying one cannot see below the rear tailgate window for parking. After we get close using the side mirrors and initial rear window view, my wife and I use and depend on the "rear-park-assist", which so far has worked 100% of the time. We think its not only a cool feature, but an essential given the rear window configuration.

    In regards to "rear-park-assist", the manual says, the sonar will not work above tailgate height. Does anyone know what this means? I'm assuming above the top of tailgate (i.e., near roor area).
  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    I was catching up on all the posts and was all ready to jump in here comment there but time marches on and others have handled things very well indeed (Sniff, not needed anymore).

    However, two or three questions seem to be more or less ongoing, so here's the view from the heartland.

    Fed - My mirrors are rock steady as they go from position to position.

    Booming - Not that I've noticed, in fact Gamera has been the quietest most solid domestic I've purchased.

    Wind deflector - There's a built in wind deflector that flips up when the sun roof retracts. I'd never have noticed it if I hadn't absent mindedly reached up to grab the front rim of the opening one day while tooling down the road.

    Tailgate slam - BYM, I've noticed that Gamera's tailgate is getting easier to close over time. Either the lock is loosening up, or my muscle memory is getting more used to the slam.

    Back up sonar - Mine has worked without flaw, but you've got to keep your speed way down, otherwise it can't read distance accurately and shuts down. Maybe that's the problem.

    Nice to see the board carrying on so well.

    CWJ
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    What it probably means it that it cannot detect anything above the bottom edge of the tailgate, or above the bumper. It's mainly limited to the sensors' height and below that (to an extent).
  • ra1der5ra1der5 Member Posts: 86
    We noticed what we thought were phantom signals from the Back-up Park Assist. When we asked about it, I was told that each sonar pod emits signals in the shape of a cone (duh) and will pick up objects to the left/right of the vehicle if it's within about three feet.

    The park assist does not provide a reading if something is on the ground within a foot of the rear bumber, however it will pick up a reading within 3 to 4 feet.

    Finally, I have had the same experience as CWJ. If you back-up too quickly, the system will give you a audio signal. Usually it's not a problem, but it's really obnoxious while your trying to and keep up with traffic on the freeway.

    Raiders are in camp!

    R5

    P.S. A friend, who is a service manager at the local chevy dealership, is saving me $100 on the rear audio controls that my wonderful son broke.
  • queenbee2queenbee2 Member Posts: 4
    Thought I'd update everyone on what I found out at the dealership. It was a simple case of having pushed the wrong button. If the power for the 2nd row headsets is "on", the then third row speakers are turned off so that that part of the REV isn't overwhelmed with sound. We must have had the power switch on even though the kids weren't using the headsets. 3 kids and 2 headsets is a recipe for disaster so they don't even know that they are an option at this point(!). The dealer turned the power off and viola the 3rd row speakers were working. Simple case of operator error!

    Also was showing off the REV to some friends, and he showed me how the 2nd row seats tilt all the way forward. Until last week, we were only flipping the seat backs down and having the kids scramble over them to get to the 3rd row. You learn something new everyday.
  • queenbee2queenbee2 Member Posts: 4
    Dindak--We went through Toronto to and from Chicago, IL. Both times we simply gritted our teeth and took 401. (Though our rural-born kids are fascinated by the 12/14 lanes of highway. That's a lot of concrete. I was born and raised in LA and even there I'd never seen anything quite like it!) I saw the signs for the 407 Expressway. Is it a viable option and do you recommend it? Heading south we had forgotten our Candian $ so we wouldn't have been able to pay the toll anyway. But coming home we could have tried it. Do you have any idea how much it costs to travel the entire length? And is it worth taking since it doesn't yet hook up with the 401 at the northeastern end?

    USA Review--I understand where this guy is coming from on the souped up minivan angle. But some people don't want a mini-van OR a REAL SUV. We as a family needed more room for long family car trips (NY to Florida in the winter, for instance). However we're too cheap to buy a new car ourselves so my husband leases them for 3 years through his law firm and then we buy them at the end of the lease if the price is right. So the RDV is really my husband's car (and he drives about 20,000 miles a year for work). The RDV looks sufficiently lawyerly and macho (the whole SUV-thing)now, but will make a great mom-mobile for me in 3 years (the mini-van thing).

    Currently, I drive his old Nissan Altima that we bought at the end of the lease. It works find for puttering around town (no real soccer mom duties in rural America) and then we have the RDV when we need to take a more lenghty trip. Pure SUVs really weren't an option (I looked briefly at the GMC Tahoe and Denali) because they were simply too much truck. We don't tow anything and since my husband drives so much for work the poor gas mileage of a big SUV would have been very costly--both monetarily and for the environment. So the RDV seemed like a good compromise.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Queenbee2: that was great info. on the 3rd row sound system. Who would have thought of that? Thanks for sharing...

    r5: Are you saying that you're backing up at great speeds down the freeway?? I sure hope its not Hwy 17 (One of most dangereous in Bay Area; goes by r5's community). Thanks for your insights on Rear-park-assist. btw, did you say the Raiders were going camping?

    ustraveler: Like you, I found out that the extender wrench was not in the car, although it is illustrated in the manual. Also, you have to be a contortionist to get the jack out from and into the rear compartment. It's a real tight squeeze. Of course, If you do as fedlawman suggests, all you need to do is make a call to road service of push the OnStar button.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Has anyone had any trouble w/ their service dept./mechanic trying to install the trailer hitch. I had a mechanic attempt to install it today, however he had problems w/ certain bolts/plates spinning around during the installation. I have to get this installed by Saturday as we're headed to Yosemite for a week w/4 bikes.
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