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I am considering buying a FWD CR-V.
Any info is appreciated.
I am considering buying a FWD CR-V.
Any info is appreciated."
It only affects the AWD CRV. No problems with the FWD CRV.
Is it left or right? lol :confuse: Not that it makes any difference.
I BOUGHT EXTRA WARRANTY PROTECTION WHEN I BOUGHT THE CAR--100,000 MILES. THE DIFFER HOUSING IS COVERED BUT WILL THEY REPLACE IT AS A DEFECT?
You shouldn't have paid for the axle, it was probably covered under the extended warranty. It helps when consumers know what their rights are, and know the terms of their coverage, otherwise they are at the mercy of the service writer.
Yes it is a terrible concern if your car locks up on the highway, like mine did?!
There is a history to these threads on this site, you can always go back to review the old posts and get a feel for what's going on :lemon:
My thought is, if all cars were made completely perfect from the beginning there would be no need for repair shops, service departments at dealers, mechanics, etc. Nothings perfect, there's not a car out there that isn't going to have some kind of problem - defect, faulty weld, wiring, etc.
It's just not worth it to me to get all bent out of shape about a car- now if your child has cancer or your spouse has heart trouble or you lose your job unexpectedly, or your house is flooded, burned or robbed - you got problems.
1. My car locked up with NO warning. It was about 1 month old. No sound was made previous to the accident! I am quite aware of what the grinding sound is like. My car was brand new and that should NOT have happened.
2. I've had two flushes and polished brushings in my second differential, no the problem with Honda is not fixed and is a serious problem, for YEARS! Why is that OK with you, because all cars have problems? Why do they have to have problems, to support the repair shops. Which came first?
3. I have a nephew with leukemia, my mom has cancer, and my dad can't walk
4. My husband just lost part of his hand
5.It's worth it to me to stay alive and not get killed by a defective car.
6. You might not benefit from this particular forum, you are not contributing positively to this cause, you are wasting our time, please find another way to spend yours because the people here do not believe or appreciate your "stories."
Bye-bye Courtney89 :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
First, RTFM!!!!
Second, show the dealership what the manual says about the rear differential fluid replacements.
Third, since manual says one thing and the dealer says another, demand they do the fluid changes under warranty.
Problem solved.
P.S. Insist that they use the more expensive DPFII instead of the DPF.
About a month ago, started hearing a noise when turning the steering wheel hard to the left or right when entering or exiting parking spaces. Is this the rear differential problem that's being discussed here?
If so, do you think they'll cover it under warranty?
There seems to be two bodies of thought here: 1) the rear differential requires more service than the owner's manual says. Get used to it. 2) Honda should have corrected this old design defect long ago and is on the hook to pay for fluid changes forever.
Can you change Honda dealers? With every brand, there are good dealers and there are bad ones. And the bad ones are stinkers. Good luck.
It would only apply if the dealer refused warranty coverage on the differential because you put in a new radio, or something, IMHO.
A lot of this going back and forth could have been avoided if the Owner knew what the Owner's Manual stated and presented that to the dealer before the service has been performed. If the dealer argued against the Owner's Manual suggestion, then under the act, it should have been performed for free. I doubt it works that way "post factum."
Take it as a lesson learned and in the future know your manual from cover to cover so that you can sucessfully argue with the service advisors. They know that people don't read, or don't retain the information from the manual, and can twist the "facts" whichever way they want to suit their business needs.
I bet you that the dealer submitted claim to Honda for warranty work on your differential, ON TOP of charging you $90!
I've writing to Honda personally to ask for a new car
At least I'm asking that they change out my rear diff or I'd gladly join a class action against them as they know they created a defective part that can potentially lock up as you are driving at freeway speeds with your family :sick:
End result: there is a problem, Honda of America denies it, some dealers are unaware, and some dealers are aware. So, call around to find one that knows what they are talking about. Don't let them talk you into just changing the fluid to last another 10K miles.
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At least I'm asking that they change out my rear diff or I'd gladly join a class action against them as they know they created a defective part that can potentially lock up as you are driving at freeway speeds with your family
While you are at it, sue them for requiring you to change the engine oil, filters, brake and power steering fluids, brakes and tires.
Oh, wait, it is called wear and tear. Since when a differential fluid a lifetime item?
You can extend the differential change intervals by using more expensive DPFII.
Good luck with the law suit. Just remember not to put a hot cup of coffee in between your legs. That laws suit won't fly again.
If I bought a new 07 CRV and had that noise problem once or twice a year, I wouldn't be happy about it either.
I was shopping for a 2008 and considering a 4WD. I ended up buying a 2WD partly to avoid having to deal with this issue, partly because I live in an area with no snow and 2WD gets slightly better gas mileage. While doing my research, I called Honda America to ask if the problem was addressed in the 2008 models. The person I was speaking to put me on hold for quite a while to talk to the appropriate persons in the technical department. He said the fix for the 2008 model was that they developed an upgraded fluid that resists rust of the rear differential when moisture gets into the system. He admitted that the proof will be in the pudding, so to speak. He said that in their tests, it's been shown to work, but that they realize until the cars get a year or two old, they won't know how well it works in the real world. He actually told me the name of the fluid, but I'm sorry I didn't write it down.
I would assume the service departments are using this new fluid on all years.
Well, lots of things are possible. Maybe the cars will start spontaneously driving on two wheels. Or they could launch into space, or catch fire (oops, that one did happen).
Seriously, I have not heard of any incidents of the transmission locking up on the highway with AWD CR-V.
So far, I have had the rear brake pads and rotors replaced already. Today, I was told the rear differential is broken and needed to be replaced. In addition, I was suggested to replace the battery as well. What a car!
As in 2,700 miles? . . . . after 6 years? That's 38 miles per month! Is this an example of "use it or lose it"?
Seriously, Honda ought to take care of the differential (whether 2700 or 27,000 miles). After 6 years, you're due for a new battery. Good luck.
Thanks.
I stand by my post, and I think I will enjoy my right to continue watching this (and other) CR-V forums. I am wondering why you think this does not pertain to me?
I would be interested in the details of your "lock up event".
If you don't drive the vehicle often then the lube drains off of the exposed gears/hardware and combined with moisture can cause corrosion. Toyota recommended in the Tacoma Owners Manual that 4WD models be driven for at least one mile once a month in 4WD mode during the summer or when ever the 4WD system wasn't engaged frequently to keep all the parts moist and happy..
Pay for the fix on a 9 year old car?
Seems to me, --and I’ve posted my fair share on this thread concerning my own 06 rear diff problems-- that Honda has really dodged the “responsibility bullet” on this rear diff issue. To be fair, there are no real horror stories --that one highway lockup was an anomaly--but there is a systemic problem with the all-wheel versions of all three generations of the CRV.
From the shoddy recommendations in the service manual to the ad-hoc manner in which dealers either admit Honda’s culpability and change the Dual pump fluid at no charge or try to worm their way out of performing the service for free, the entire affair is decidedly Un-Honda. (and I’ve owned only Hondas since 1977)
Why there has not been an all out recall --Honda slides by on the safety issue not being there- why the TSB’s are swept under the rug as it were, those questions are ones that need to be addressed, but it seems that no one in the automotive press (not even Consumer Reports) has never mentioned the reoccurring rear diff issue.
Other message boards/websites do address the problem
http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/t472/
http://free-auto-repair-advice.blogspot.com/2007/09/honda-crv-moan-from-rear-dif- ferential.html
http://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/t1249/
Maybe Honda should fire the marketing person with no engineering background who suggested the manual listed intervals without consulting with engineers.
Seems like your dealer is doing the best that they can considering Honda's rear diff design is the real culprit here.
My 06 is also the thirstiest Honda I've ever driven I'd say 25 is the absolute best MPG I've ever tallied, but on the average it's in the lower 20's.
I do like the CRV , though I would not buy another, a bit too Civicy for me.
As for the rear diff fluid, after my moan and groan at 30 and the dealer replaced the fluid and burnished the clutch (no charge) I had my mechanic do another fluid change at 40K (just to be on the safe side) He charged me $85 and followed Honda's exact TSB instructions.
Please post Honda's reply to your letter
Cheers
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You wrote:
"...... a check engine light sooner if actual driving conditions warrant checking the rear diff. sooner!!! "
I'm not sure if I understand how driving conditions plus the check engine light plus the rear diff are tied together. Can anyone explain that?