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Now, some 1500 miles later I am beginning to feel the pressure on the accelerator
Did Honda add tactile feedback to the Drive-by-Wire system? Because in a drive-by-wre in the 05, there is absolutley no physical connection between the accelerator and the throttle.
I know the system was modified in 2007 to relocate the accelerator sensor (read Potentiometer) to the pedal, as opposed to having a cable from the pedal run to the firewall where the sensor is located.
So, did they really add tactile feedback?
That is an interesting point though I'm clueless on how to answer
BTW my CRV SE is an 06 (and as I've mentioned before my 20th Honda since 1977 and the first one to be problematic, though I do love the way the car handles--and with these new Yokohama Avid TRZ tires--even better
Do you think the Rear Diff problem can manifest itself into the problem I described--it's a bit like a transmission issue
t
I didn't know you had 06, you have the same drive by wire as the 05. There is no direct connection between the thorttle and the pedal.
Rear differential problem is usually limited to goran or moan you described earlier.
The easiest would be to replace the automatic transmission fluid (if you have auto) and see if it solves the issues you are having.
Logic being, if your style of driving necessitate DPF replacement, ATF replacement is probably not a bad idea.
I have an MT version and replaced DPF and MTF at the same time this summer. Even though I was not having any issues with either. I just thought that 15,000 miles is probably too much stress for the DPF and MTF the way I drive.
It is much cheaper to keep replacing fluids more often than having the differential or the tranny rebuilt. I am sure you have noticed over the previous 20 Hondas that they are very sensitive to fluids.
If the fluid replacement does not solve the problem you are having, escalate the issue with Honda. If the dealer is not cooperative, involve Honda corporate. This way, if there is an issue later on, after the warranty has expired, there is a record of your earlier attempts to have this solved before warranty expired, which will result in the issue being in-warranty.
I agree with you about fluid change outs, in fact I change my oil every 3000. I'm beginning to think that my accelerator problem is "all in my mind" as my vehicle felt perfectly normal this morning...I'll know for sure when we drive to our house in the Catskills this weekend.
I just hit 36k so I'll replace trans fluid this weekend--maybe even rear diff again as well since I know Honda did not fill and replace three times--Can you advise about that "extra ounce" of Dual Pump fluid I hear about?
I do appreciate all your counsel
BTW I said 20 Hondas (I think this is my 15th since I included a few Acuras in that number--they do count as Hondas!)
t
I agree with you about fluid change outs, in fact I change my oil every 3000. I'm beginning to think that my accelerator problem is "all in my mind" as my vehicle felt perfectly normal this morning...I'll know for sure when we drive to our house in the Catskills this weekend.
I just hit 36k so I'll replace trans fluid this weekend--maybe even rear diff again as well since I know Honda did not fill and replace three times--Can you advise about that "extra ounce" of Dual Pump fluid I hear about?
I do appreciate all your counsel
BTW I said 20 Hondas (I think this is my 15th since I included a few Acuras in that number--they do count as Hondas!)
t
Yes, Acuras are Hondas. They are only Acura in the US, the rest of the world still gets them as Honda.
I don't know what the "extra ounce" of dual pump fluid is. I know there is a reformulated version that dealers just got, but I have not seen it myself, yet.
Have you checked the Honda SUV forum? There is a meet in New England coming up towards the end of this month. You should come and mingle with other Honda SUV owners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-EEEOkwjFA
t
My 2007 CR-v AWD had the grinding noise/vibration when backing up and turning the wheel at 3000 miles and I took it to the dealer and they replace the rear differential assembly and fluid. Now i am at 16,000 Miles and the grinding noise has come back again. Not sure what I need to do now.
I don't think anyone said that Honda is an error-free manufacturer. Everyone makes mistakes. Honda just makes fewer. It just happen that you got the one with the mistakes.
You should have left the car at the dealer and asked for a loaner. Once your 30 days were up (or whatever the Lemon Law stipulation is in your state) you would have a clear cut case of Lemon vehicle, and Honda would have to purchase it back from you.
Good luck.
Here is CA the law says 30 days out of service. From what he says the car is drivable.
If his transaxle fails Honda will have to replace that as well...
Thanks
I WOULD EXPECT BY NOW THAT MOST HONDA DEALERS ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT I STILL SEE THAT SOME DEALERS ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THE DEFECT BY RINSING IT WITH MORE DIFF FLUID. I REALIZE THAT THIS FLAW SEEMS TO ONLY EFFECT FIRST PRODUCTION RUN 2007 CRVs. IT APPEARS THAT THE MANUFACTURER OF THE DIFF CLUTCH FOR HONDA MADE A BATCH OF BAD ONES. THE ERROR WAS DISCOVERED BEFORE THE SECOND PRODUCTION RUN OF THE VEHICLE AND NO LONGER PLAGUES CURRENT PRODUCTION MODELS.
I LOVE THIS VEHICLE. IT DRIVES AND PERFORMS BETTER THAN ANY VEHICLE IN IT'S CLASS AND ARGUABLY BETTER THAN MANY VEHICLES THAT COST THOUSANDS MORE. GAS MILEAGE IS PHENOMENAL, IT ACCELERATES WELL, HANDLES WELL AND IS VERY COMFORTABLE AND WELL APPOINTED. I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THIS DIFF PROBLEM FIXED. ONCE DONE, IT'LL BE PERFECT. THOUGH I'VE EXPERIENCED A FEW PROBLEMS, I WOULD STILL HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS VEHICLE. MY COMMENT IN AN EARLIER POST " I THOUGHT I BOUGHT A HONDA, NOT A FORD OR CHEVY" WAS SIMPLY SARCASM. THIS HONDA WILL UNDOUBTEDLY OUTLAST FOUR OF THOSE VEHICLES COMBINED.
Hey ease up on the CAPS LOCK... it is considered shouting.
There is a breather hole than expands and contracts this is not a sealed unit. The contamination is spread from the front to the back differential when the propeller shaft kicks on that why so many clutches are faulty. Cleaning the system and refilling with new fluid only keeps the noise and binding down. They recommend fluid changed every 12k-15k miles. The entire system need replaced! There is such a thing as a courtesy warranty that the Honda Zone Mgr. can approve ask about it!
I am so disappointed with my Cr-v it only gets 23 mpg on HWY. I bought it because of the low maintainence..What a joke! Along with the Class action suit over the excessive mileage,Honda owes us good service! Keep after your Dealer,or contact Honda Zone Ofc.
I wonder if the Honda's shipped from Japan sat on a dock or Barge in water for long period of time,my Bridgestone tires are wearing too fast maybe the saltwater caused all the rust and contamination.. Continental tires for me next time around!
Good luck, be nice to your Dealer or take it to several Dealerships to make a paper trail. Trust me I worked for a Honda Dealer years ago and Honda always stands behind their product,but not always the Dealers. Thats why Honda sends out service Questionnaires to check on their Dealers!
Thanks!
Good Luck MNF
She told me it would be $75 for the differential and $95 for the service. What a scam.. I paid for the extended warranty. I almost feel like they saw a chick come in with a skirt and heels and said "oh yeah, she won't know"
But I got on the horn when I left there because something just seemed "off"
SO glad you guys confirmed my theory. I'm off to wage war on my local dealership.. LOL
:mad:
Immediately got on this site to check and see if others were having same problem.
I had the same problem with my 2006 CR-V, the shudder in tight turns. They knew exactly what was wrong.
Honda put out a Service Bulletin #07-024 with instructions to replace the rear differential fluid and burnish the rear differential clutches.
I had this done today during my 30K mile scheduled service. They used Honda Dual Pump Fluid II. They said something about the original fluid was contaminated out of the factory or something like that.
That is local dealers treating it as non-warranty. The TSB clearly states that it should be done under warranty, and under consideration for goodwill warranty for people outside of warranty coverage.
The 2006 and up come with 60,000 mile drivetrain warranty, and AWD is drivetrain.
This is most certainly a Warranty item. Afterall, isn't that what a powertrain warranty is supposed to cover ?
Two months later the typical grinding sound occurred from the differential and the dealership changed the oil and burnished the clutches. All covered under my extended warranty.
Two month after that the grinding sound was back AND a vibrating steering wheel when I hit my brakes. The differential was the problem again and the vibrating was the rotors, they were resurfaced. All under the extended warranty.
Now the service department is telling me that the next time I'm in for a differential problem I have to pay for it myself!I am making an appointment tomorrow with the manager of the dealership to discuss my options. Does anyone have an opinion on what I should say, ask for, expect from him???
I went in to talk to the salesmen about it. Of course they've "never heard of this problem." One told me that it is a fluke. I told him it's all over the internet, since 2001 at least. Shouldn't this a recall item?? :sick: :lemon:
All covered under my extended warranty. ....
All under the extended warranty. ...
Am I missing something? Why wasn't it covered by the bumper to bumper warranty?
I mentioned that this problem is on car sites since 2001 and he denied the reliability of the internet resources...ok he's a dedicated Honda man... .
I asked him what the recommendation of the regular maintenance was for changing the fluid in the differential. He gave me a lecture on how he can't answer my question because I didn't call him before I showed up to let him do his research on my problem. My husband set up the appointment and already told him the problem, that's why he had the 07-024 on his desk, or was that just a coincidence?? He said the service repair documents aren't public info, if they were "then people would start diagnosing and thinking up problems for their cars." not an exact quote, but close because it went with a story.
He did have a service employee in the meeting with us, that was obviously to help HIM with understanding some of the mechanic issues. That's fine, but he didn't answer my question.
This was a good first meeting, I'll see him again I'm sure. He said that the dealership will contact Honda corporate if there's a repeated problem with a car. He couldn't tell me how many times constitutes a problem, "but certainly if you bring it in again there is a problem." I'm at 26K, one new entire differential and two subsequent visits for fluid changes. Sounds like a problem at this point.
He said the service department may have already contacted Honda Corporate about my car, yeah right...then again he can't answer my question because I didn't give him time to do the research.
Do you recommend that I ask him to start the process (whatever that is) or wait until the problem happens again? I don't know what Honda would do for me... :confuse:
I have a little bit over 38K miles on my 2004 EX. So I'm just outside of the warranty. What a drag. Is anyone having any luck taking the car to the dealer and getting them to fix the problem, even outside of the warranty? Seems like if it is a problem with so many of the vehicles, they should be fixing it for free (sort of like a recall).
Part of me would rather avoid the hassle of having to fight with the dealership over it, though, and just have the shop fix it. I guess it depends on how much this whole mess is going to cost me.
Apparently it's the fluid that breaks down with the heat. A Honda serviceman told me that. They'll hear the sound and then find metal shavings in the fluid. Is the changing of the fluid on the list for the 30K maintenance schedule or any of the other schedules? They might use that as a way to have you pay for it.
Changing the fluid and burnishing the rear clutches is all they should do. The sound is the only warning sign to have it done. Changing the fluid is easier for them then changing the oil. They might charge for the diagnosis too.
Let's us know how it turned out and how much you paid. We all may be in your situation some day! Best of everything, be strong!
thanks for sharing!
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-024.PDF
That worked for me, but if you still have trouble, let me know here or by email and I'll email it to you.
From reading these posts, it sounds like a design error allowing the diff fluid to get contaminated from outside water. I doubt if it would take too much rocket science to get a proper fix for this. Is there an after-market solution?
Thanks!