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Pointing to decibel levels and saying a sound meter says it's quiet, so that overrules human perception of the sound levels is not a good argument.
I don't care what a sound meter from Car and Driver reads if it sounds loud to me.
Generally, people who complain about noise complain about either noise on full throttle or cruising down the highway.
It's certainly possible that the Sport has less sound insulation or is missing ANC anyway. It also has a dual exhaust that may not be as quiet as other Accords to give it a sportier exhaust note. Tires are not always the sole source of noise.
Also, if you want 16" base model wheels I am certain that someone would swap you for your 18 " alloys for free. Certain.
Also, I provided both references from two different tests.
Over the weekend, I was cleaning my sisters Prius V and one thing that stuck me was how unsubstantial the outside mirrors are although they do have power and I believe they are heated.
Of course a Prius is about lightness, so I'm sure that plays into it.
The Fusion has some really nice side mirrors that include turn signals, puddle lamps and a wide angle sub mirror built in, along with the power adjustment and heat.
I see that next year Intelligent Access is going to be available on the SE model.
Wanted to try a tank of premium gas, but won't be able to go through the whole tank before my trip to Michigan, about 1600 miles, mid next month.
Laminated windows in the Fusion are a good, low weight way to quell the outside noise, and since we have all been talking about road noise, I would be remiss in not mentioning to potential buyers and current owners that a quieter and more private cabin is only $200 away!
If the new Mazda 6 does in fact have the noisiest interior in its class, it's not really a surprise since they could think the noise keeps the driver more connected (they are the "Zoom, zoom" company). I actually prefer Mazda's approach of keeping the car lighter and more efficient, even if it's not Fusion or Malibu quiet. Not to say that they can't add more sound deadening, but I don't think any car in this class is without flaws.
Honda Accord, ridiculous 1 piece folding rear seat. Afterthought-looking center touch screen on EX-L models that has already needed a service campaign to fix issues. Minor CVT issues on 4 cylinder. Minor automatic transmission issues on V6.
Altima has some quality control issues and drivability complaints on 4 cylinder models.
Mazda 6 noisy, undersized nav screen and uses second rate TomTom maps and routing. Have to get nav if you want push start. No rear cam without nav.
Chevy Malibu very uncompetitive mpg for what it is even with e-Assist, small back seat, bad styling, no push start available. Quietness is all it seems to have going for it. Pricing not low enough to overlook shortcomings.
2013 Ford Fusion requires overpriced Titanium edition to get push start.
Camry super bland exterior, cluttered truck-like dashboard, cheap seats, hellish small overlap crash test results.
Subarus require top trim levels and even then you still have to spend thousands more on mandatory option packages to get push start.
Back up cam is on every model with AT.
What isn't an issue is that these are all great cars that are well-made and reliable. They do drive somewhat differently. So it's really a matter of how each car appeals to your driving style and the combination of features that matter most.
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Find another car with that much content for that price!!!! All I wish it had was a standard backup camera and a height adjust on the passenger seat.
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
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My engine blew up without warning. The Timing Belt broke. :sick:
The problem is that when I bought the vehicle I intentionally went to the Auto Parts store to purchase a timing belt set for my KIA. But the Auto Parts store could not sell me a Timing Belt set because the car had a Timing Chain.
Later I'm driving along and the engine blows up.
I rechecked the VIN and it does indicate a Timing Chain. But when the mechanic pulled the engine apart, it had an old broken timing Belt.
I suggest that ALL auto mechanics everywhere contact their KIA customers to have them bring in their vehicle for a quick check.
The 8th digit of the VIN number is a 6 for a timing Chain, and the left side of the motor looking in under the hood has a plastic cover that can be opened to see if there is a chain or belt for that engine.
If the VIN indicates a timing chain, and a belt is installed, then you can get class action suit information at:
http://kiaenginewrong.pbworks.com
So based upon all this, I have mixed feelings.
The car drives great and has otherwise been a good car. But that the VIN prevented me from getting the correct information I needed to do scheduled maintenance is a major issue.
If you have a KIA, any model, I suggest you or a mechanic visually sighting the timing chain before trusting that the engine has a chain instead of a belt. Don't let your mechanic talk you out of it, I did and now my engine is blown up. Vehicle data is usually reliable, but in this case KIA made a huge mistake by installing a cheaper engine without changing the VIN number accordingly.
This is easy for a mechanic or even yourself to do in less than 5 minutes. The cover comes loose with a couple of bolts. Don't let anything accidentally slip into the timing belt housing.
We deal with current mid size sedans here.
This is the incorrect forum for class action suits, but if there is a problem with a specific vehicle please post that information.
Sounds like it was not bought new, so someone could have put in a non original engine.
Personally, I don't the suit going anywhere, but good luck.
I am concidering the Accord EX-L or the Mazda 6 touring. There is a big price difference on the two though. I am looking at about invoice less military rebate on the Mazda 6 (about 23100) vs the Honda EX-L 4 cyl (about 28295 including military rebate). The Honda is asking pretty much retail but is offering me 13500 for my impreza which KBB for 10500.
I like both cars. The honda does not offer black leather on the white exterior while the Mazda does. I like the 60/40 split rear seat on the mazda. Which leaves me choosing a The Honda dealer is only up the street from me while the Mazda is about a 35 minute drive. I know the the Honda has alot of safety features the Mazda does not (or you have to pay extra for) such as radar type cruise control, lane departure.
The EX-L Accord is the top of the line trim level for a 4 cylinder. That is why the price is much higher.
You can compare the Accord Sport, and that gets you 18" rims plus dual exhaust. It includes the backup camera of course, but not the second lower screen. It stickers at around $23 to $26, and is more of an apples-to apples comparison to the Mazda 6 Touring with the leatherette.
Now, are you going for an auto trans? Because the Accord has a CVT, but the Mazda has a conventional 6 speed automatic.
I would drive both, and I don't mean around the block. I mean take them both home for an extended test drive. That will help you break your deadlock on choosing I believe.
Good luck!
They are creating a cash down payment of $3000. so, your deal is as follows:
2013 Honda Accord EX-L
$28,295 (after military discount)
13,500 (for your trade
- 10,500 (you owe)
= 3000 down payment
$28295
-3000
=25,295
+ doc prep, tags, taxes,
A bank will only lend so much on a car. the max is 125% of dealer invoice (or NADA book value if the car is used). So, they give you $3000 more than your trade is worth to create a down payment so the bank will buy the deal with favorable terms.
The dealer also will want a $250 "doc prep" fee, $50 for tags, and don't forget the taxes. The $25 payment discrepancy is due to those fees.
This is only 1 scenario based on info you provided. If you are upside down on your trade they could be trying to pay it off so they can put you in a new car....and that is why you pay MSRP. Banks do NOT like being upside down on a deal any more than you do.
28795
599 dealer fee
50 misc tag fees
960 approximate ad valor tax (No sales tax we call it ad valor tax in Georgia)
=30404
13500 Trade
8500 owe
=5000 equity
1500 down
500 military
=2000
30404-7000=23404 financed @1.9x60mo = $409 month
Dealer said it would be $425 a month. The dealer must be trying to work in something else? Maybe some paint and interior protectant?
I may concider a Altima 2.5 SL. I like the Bose stereo, Xenon headlights, and remote start all for less than the Accord. But no lane watch.
Look over the contract, and make sure all the number jive. Enjoy your new car. I am outta here!
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BTW, were you already familiar with our new Title Ad Valorem Tax (TAVT, in lieu of Sales Tax)? Since I bought my CX-9 in 2012, I had the option to 'opt in' to the TAVT when it went into effect in March of this year. The 6% Sales Tax I paid when I bought the CX-9 was applied toward the 6.5% TAVT, so I had to pay about $80 to get in the program. And the awesome part is no more Ad Valorem Tax to pay each year with my tag (the so-called "Birthday Tax"). If I keep my CX-9 for 5yrs, it will save me over $2k compared to the previous way we were taxed!
I get it that it is a nice feature to have.
Heated seats I can kind of see because they seem to relax your muscles a little.
Do you also have a mid size sedan?
BTW, My family is from Buffalo! It is gorgeous up there on the Canadian side!
I loved going up to Buffalo to visit, then across the Peace Bridge at Fort Erie and taking Niagara Parkway to the falls. I asked my wife to marry me at Niagara on the Lake!!!
Anyway, if you were going to buy a mid size sedan by this fall (so the Mazda Diesel will be available as a choice), which one would you buy?
Those who live where they have winter, and think they know what cold is, really don't have a clue unless they have lived the extremes. Even those who live in and around the Great Lakes, Toronto/ Niagara/ Buffalo etc are usually a full 20¼+ warmer than just 3 to 5 hours north. So 0¼ in Toronto...a really cold night...is easily -20 to -25 0¼ in North Bay. And believe me, the car interior does not warm up in only 5 minutes. Even cars with known good heaters, can take 20 to 25 min to warm enough that you only then consider unzipping your coat. With many commutes, this is long after you have already arrived at work.
As another example, if you have ever ridden a bike (motorcycle) in the spring or fall, when the temp is a relatively balmy 40¼ and holding onto the bars with your best and warmest gloves...after only 20 minutes, you'll be planning to install a pair of grip heaters as one of your must do projects.
Think snowmobiles if bikes aren't your thing...ya...heated grips work..
Believe me, there's a place in the world for heated steering wheels. If you are young and vibrant (with great blood circulation still in your extremities) or if you live where you think cold is 10¼ then you probably can't really relate. So don't order a heated wheel.
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I realize others may feel differently.
'17 Chevy Volt Premiere
Here is an excerpt from the National Weather Service about that fateful storm the day before we left:
DURING THE MORNING, THE TEMPERATURE ROSE RAPIDLY FROM FIVE DEGREES AT
MIDNIGHT TO 26 DEGREES AT 11 AM. AT 11:35 AM, THE FRONT PASSED THROUGH
THE BUFFALO AIRPORT. IN A SHORT TIME, THE VISIBILITY DROPPED FROM 3/4
MILE TO ZERO AND THE WIND SHIFTED AND INCREASED TO SOUTHWEST AT 29
MPH WITH GUSTS TO 49 MPH. THE TEMPERATURE FELL 26 DEGREES TO ZERO IN
JUST OVER FOUR HOURS. THE BLIZZARD REACHED ITS WORST SEVERITY DURING
THE LATE AFTERNOON AS WINDS AT THE BUFFALO AIRPORT AVERAGED 46 MPH
AND GUSTED TO 69 MPH. GUSTS OF 75 MPH WERE RECORDED AT THE NIAGARA
FALLS AIRPORT. WIND CHILLS REACHED FIFTY TO SIXTY DEGREES BELOW ZERO.
THOUSANDS WERE STRANDED IN OFFICE BUILDINGS, SCHOOLS, POLICE
STATIONS, FIRE HALLS, AND FACTORIES. CARS WERE STALLED EVERYWHERE AND
ROADS BECAME IMPASSABLE. WHEN A FIRE BROKE OUT ON WHITNEY PLACE, FIRE
FIGHTING EQUIPMENT WAS UNABLE TO GET THROUGH. SIX HOMES WERE
COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND FIFTY PEOPLE WERE LEFT HOMELESS. NEARLY ALL
TRANSPORTATION IN AND OUT OF BUFFALO STOPPED.
It isn't just the cold that gets you Gimmee! Also, I bet you had to walk to school 10 miles uphill, both directions! Lol.
haha, actually it was 1 mile each way.. (1/4 mi of it a substantial hill)...'course that was only one of the ways, lol
Ahh childhood...back in the good 'ol days were you had to watch where you stepped for fear of big black plops with berry seeds in it..
And skitters the size of hummin' birds...ok, that last one was an exaggeration
edit- btw, I remember that blizzard too. I had forgotten the year, but that puts me in TO at the time delivering mail by foot. I remember simply not being able to get up to one of the doors of a house for snow...exhausted..was about 7 at night and was delivering in the dark...and said that's it I had enough. Tried to take the undelivered mail back to the PO but it was close so took it home and delivered it next work day. Got in shyte for that...not suppose to take it home..They have lock boxes that you use for dropping or picking up new route mail while enroute...problem was, I couldn't FIND it! I knew where it was supposed to be though..
Ya, that was a big storm...last one anywhere near (not as bad tho) the severity up here was back in 95 or 96? Got over 3' of snow in less than about 6 or 7 hours..
my mid-sized sedan just looked like a rolling hump of snow under it..
Anyone have any snow stories with mid size sedans? (trying to get back on topic). Has anyone purchased a new sedan withing the last week?
So, what is it that makes winter tires tick?
and they really do work.
No, not like the old 1960s Big chunky block snow tires.
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