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Everybody will believe what they want and can have some statistic to support their assertion.
Yes, it has happened many times. If you have proof that maintenance was done, and it is an obvious defect, Honda will work with you. Honda customers know what "good will" repair means. That's how they keep customers coming back.
for those who don't know, honda cars were accused of misreading milage. and, even though the varations in actual mileage vs. odometer milage were less than the margin of error set by the government, honda willingly, without being forced, extened all waranties and made restitutions to people who leased and had to pay milage charges.
They were sued. I think they had a pretty good reason to give the money back don't you?
Why must everyone spin Honda's actions into being "for the greater good"? They are a company in business to make money, not save the world. :sick:
FYI, Nissan was sued for the same thing, and has chosen to fight it in court.
and read some of my posts. though I have nothing against honda, I am by no means a honda homer. I prefer nissan myself, but don't mind giving honda props where its due.
You don't seem to understand. :confuse: Honda sees "Good Will" repairs as an investment, in Repeat Customers. When you loose customers, you loose sales down the road. You can tell which companies didn't see it as an investment 10 years ago. The same ones who are loosing money now.
Out of court settlements are made all the time, particularly dubious claims for injuries resulting from car accidents. If an insurance company can "buy out" of a claim for $2,000 rather than spend a minimum of $1500 fighting a case they could lose, they'll 'buy out" most every time.
I'm not in the market for a truck, and if I was, I'd get a Tundra. Still amazed at how silent and smooth my Honda Accord V6 runs - effortless power. :shades:
yes, but trucks out sell cars, have since the 90's. and toyota could one day seriously cut into them, but they have a loooooong way to go. The new tundra is nice, but it doesn't even come close to what a F-350 can do. there is a huge gap between what a ford truck and a toyota truck can do.
ford could very easily survive as a truck company. hell, they practicly are now.
and both toyota and nissan scrubbed their plans for Heavy duty/super duty versions of the tundra and titan.
Dropping the clutch isn't as hard on the clutch as riding it, but its harder on the rest of the drive-train and suspension components. Shock loading every gear and shaft in the system isn't particularly helpful. Just watch amateur drag night (racing, not cross-dressing) and watch for the broken drive shafts and transmissions and suspension components.
You can use machinery, just try to have some respect for it and be mindful of what you are asking it to do.
One day all Ford will be is just selling 250/350s and Econovans to businesses, not consumers. :lemon:
Mullaly should have stayed at Boeing - their stock is through the roof and they are kicking Airbus like crazy. Ford's got no Dreamliner either... and even Jag's on the chopping block.
Yes!@ Thanks, finally a good statement.. I can live with that. The Fusion didn't meet your needs, nor what you were looking for. I can say the same for the Accord or Camry, which is why I chose the Fusion.
I agree, Honda/Toyota owners I believe let a little more go because of the quality reputation. Ford/GM are under one heck of a microscope. One little rattle.. and wammo!@ The vehicle is junk, or lacks refinement... :shades:
I guess you didn't hear that they've got 20 confirmed camshaft failures on the Tundra 5.7L truck engines. They knew about it in FEBRUARY yet chose to continue selling them.
Can we stop discussing who's better and just focus on the cars themselves?
The Legacy is the most useful car overall in this class. It has AWD, long cargo area, optional turbo. The only problem with it, is the cabin is a bit cramped for my tastes.
Mazda to me is to small as a family sedan. In my area a lot of kids drive them, probably because they can be had for a song.
to each his own
Great stuff.
I did notice that the Altima now has one consumer review and received all 10s and 9s. Obviously that is one happy and satisfied owner. However, one review does not a consensus make.
Hey, I've said all along that Fusion was on my short list, but I just like the Accord better for personal reasons. I've maintained that it was/is a competitor.
I went out on the local cycling club bike ride this morning, and noticed 4 or 5 new Fusions way out there in the country (aka Ford Land). In one driveway, next to the big Ford truck, was one of the new Fusions. At the end of the driveway was an 03-05 Accord, with "For Sale" signs on it. Fusion is winning some buyers away!
Who was it that put the trailer hitch on? Jd? I've been thinking about doing that myself.
have no idea why. Perhaps one of the mods can answer this?
when I'm not trying to tone down all the Fusion blog, that would be what I am ,a very satisfied purchaser of 3 Altimas and a Maxima, 2 older 4 bangers and an 03 3.5 (the Maxima had a 3.0). It is from Nissan that my personal bias towards great engines/drivetrains comes.
Really like the new Altima but admit to finding the new CVT a little disconcerting. It is strange though that with as many as they sell, that we don't see some 'blog' on this car as well. It is certainly something that is 'blogable'. Don't know what the sales stats are in my area (Texas), but down here I seem to see more of them than Camcords! And yes, CR does have the new Altima tied for top spot in the fiercely competitive midsize sedan segment with the older Accord, but that may change with the new Accord due out in a few months. We'll see...
As for the blogs, don't know about them, but the enthusiast sites are pretty active.
The 08 has me pretty excited too, especially hearing what they may do to bump up the power. I just hope they don't make it too big and make it feel too bloated and boat-ish. Right now, passenger space is perfectly adequate if just a bit snug, but the handling and balance is great for a passenger car. I spent 20 minutes riding in the back seat of a friend's mazda6, and I was perfectly comfortable with plenty of legroom and headroom. But I get the sense that with all the other cars in this class getting bigger, the dye has been cast for the 6 to maybe be a bit less sleek like it is now, and be a bit more muscular in the next gen.
I notice in Atlanta that Nissan are pretty abundant as well, but so are Hondas and Toyotas.
In South Carolina. Toyota in particular rules.
Accord, Sonata, Altima, Fusion/Milan, Mazda6, G6, Optima, Aura.
I'm in NC too, but Sonata third behind Camry & Accord? I'd put the Altima and the Fulan ahead of the Sonata. Then the rest. I see minimal Mazda 6s and Optimas.
Fusions and Milans are not commonplace at all. Which, as the owner of a 2007 SEL AWD Fusion, is kind of nice. The Fusion's bold, distinctive looks still stands out in a crowded field. It is nice to have a great car that is different from the "herd."
Going by that they should have replaced our driver's power window track 3 months after the warranty expired ($400+ out of our pocket), the shocks at 30k miles, the muffler at 35k miles, the clunking spring in the right rear (they never did "reproduce" that one to fix it) and several other electrical and poorly crafted items in our '96 Civic. But alas, they didn't. Maybe Civic owners aren't important enough for their "good will"? The brake pads kept wearing out about every 12k miles no matter what kind we put on too. I understand that that's not necessarily their fault though.
h, and the catalytic converter's heat shields both rusted off not long after the warranty wore off (the years came long before the miles) and their advise to us was "not to park in grass or dry leaves". I should have done just that and let the thing burn to the ground.
I'd still buy another Honda, but I'll never put them up on a pedestal like the media and other folks do.
I think in major cities you'll see quite a bit of Sonatas and even Altimas and Camrys because they sell so many to fleets. Here the new Camry dominates...period.
Sad state of affairs really.
The Fusion's bold, distinctive looks still stands out in a crowded field.
The old Camry was bland and boring. The new Camry is a lot more bold and distinctive, and IMO, front ugly. The Fusion is back ugly to me - rice-a-roni lights and plain exhaust tips on the ones I seem to see (only the SEL has chrome tips). And the redesigned Altima has taken bold and distinctive to a whole new level.