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  • dave_cldave_cl Member Posts: 54
    Thanks, Tim. I checked the website and also did a "Google".
    I found this:
     http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/hl/nokian.htm

    These tires look interesting, but I'm wondering about the "lack of precision" mentioned in the article. Have you noticed this, Tim?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,262
    What about a Mazda 3 five-door? Unless you have to have the 4WD..

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Steve: when I said at least 2 wheels, I meant one wheel from each axle. Not both wheels on a single axle.

    My points focus around the open differentials. Maybe to be clear we could say 2WD is actually 1 axle drive. 4WD would then be 2 axle drive.

    For each axle, though, if the differential is open, and it's slippery, one wheel will get all the power. You'll notice on wheel spinning and the other one standing still, doing nothing, getting no power.

    This is exactly what happened to Andries, he wrote "the back left wheel, and front right wheel were the only ones spinning".

    Traction control would be a cheap and easy fix, and actually it would manage both axles. I don't think any Compact SUV offers this, at least in this price class. Santa Fe has traction control but not on both axles.

    BMW X3 and Land Rover Freelander actually do, but they're in a different price class.

    Honda offers this in Japan, I believe. Bring it here, if CR-V had it I bet Andries' wife would not have gotten stuck!

    -juice
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    OK, I see what you meant. I have seen a lot of posts saying that the thing to do in this situation is to apply a little brake. The free spinning wheel will brake first, causing torque to go to the other wheel. Never been stuck this way myself, so I can't speak to if it works or not.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, feather the brakes. Or carry a little sand in the cargo area, for extra traction.

    I just picked up my kid from pre-school, and a Kia Spectra was stuck in the parking lot. The left front wheel was on ice and she could not move! One wheel spinning, one wheel drive!

    She eventually rocked out of there, but almost slid in to the car next to her.

    -juice
  • tsdevinetsdevine Member Posts: 2
    I only put about 150 miles on my CR-V before putting the Nokian tires on. I had read alot about the CR-V before I was able to get one. (I had to wait a month and a half to get a one with a manual transmission.) It seemed like many people hated the stock tires that come on the CR-V (the Bridgestone Dueler H/T's). I sort of decided that I was going to replace them as soon as I got the vehicle, so I could at least recoup some of the cost. (By selling the Duelers before there was any real wear on them.) I did a lot of research, and originally I was going to get a set of Bridgestone Turanza LS-T's (you can check them out at TireRack...but then I came across the Nokian WRs.

    Given that I only put about 150 miles on the stock Duelers, it's hard for me to compare. Still though, I think the WRs handle noticeably better than the Duelers on both dry and wet pavement. I didn't drive the Duelers in any snow, but I have no doubt that they'd outperform them on snow and ice as well.

    Would they handle as well as true summer tires on dry pavement?? Probably not, but I've been happy with the balanced performance I've gotten so far. And they don't seem near as squirly as the stock tires did when I'd corner on wet surfaces.

    If you think that they wouldn't be a good fit, you may want to look at the Bridgestone Turanza LS-T's as well, or maybe the new BF Goodrich Traction T/A's. Everything I've read about them have been positive, and they are both cheaper to boot. But I think you'd give up some snow/ice performance though.

    Sometimes I wish we could try tires like trying on a new pair of shoes....

    -Tim
  • sharona1973sharona1973 Member Posts: 11
    Aggie,

    That's a really good point. Thanks for the calculations! I think I'm just stuck on the CR-V since it's the car I've been wanting for quite a few years.

    Kyfdx,

    I actually looked at the Protege5 last year. I'm also interested in that car because the dealership in my town here is one of the most reputable. The Honda dealer is less than desirable. Wonder if the Mazda3 has better gas mileage? Probably. Actually, I need a car that will carry two kayaks and have enough room to go camping in. And no, I don't need AWD.
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    "Actually, I need a car that will carry two kayaks and have enough room to go camping in. And no, I don't need AWD."

    Later this summer the Mazda 6 Wagon is due to come out. That should suit your needs perfectly. If the sales on the sedan stay as stagnant as they are there should be some good incentives available on the whole line by then.

    The new Mazda 3(old protege 5 door) - 5 door probably has the passenger rrom you need but not the cargo capacity of camping gear you'll be carrying. If you don't have people in the back seat then you could fold the back seats down and have plenty of room.

    If Gas mileage is not as important. The Nissan Xterra is decent.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    "AWD is all wheel drive and it is all the time..."

    Not really. AWD is a marketing term. It means whatever the manufacturer says it means. Many folks have come up with their own reasons for preferring that AWD or 4WD be used for specific types of systems, but there is no industry concensus. In other words, any definition you see here was probably made up here.

    This is not to say that all systems are the same. The truth is far from it. But no one system or type of system can lay claim to the term "AWD".

    As long as we're on terminology, I was following a new Sienna on the highway the other day. I noted that the model designation on the back spelled out "Limited AWD", which doesn't make it sound very capable. =)

    King Varmint
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hee hee, they ought to re-think that badging.

    Did you know that the both hybrid versions (there are 2, FWD and AWD) are based on the regular FWD model, not the AWD one?

    The FWD hybrid adds an electric motor to the front axle of a FWD Highlander.

    The AWD hybrid adds two electric motors, one on each axle, to the FWD Highlander. But the gas engine only powers the front wheels, not the rears. There is no driveshaft going to the rear axle, it's bizarre.

    So there is yet another interpretation of the definition of the term AWD. It's gas/electric FWD plus electric RWD. At least they found a way around the center differential issue!

    -juice
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Rear wheel drive: 1 rear wheel spins
    Front wheel drive: 1 front wheel turns
    All wheel drive: 1 front and 1 rear wheel turns
    4 wheel drive: all 4 wheels turn
    RT4WD: 1 front wheel turns, 1 rear
                       wheel turns when needed

    Gas mileage wise, for the most part would rank:

    RWD or FWD then
    RT4WD then
    AWD then
    4WD

    Slipping, Gripping etc, for the most part would rank:

    4WD
    AWD
    RT4WD
    FWD
    RWD

    Have it essentially got it?
  • vman123vman123 Member Posts: 10
    Hello

    Im lookin at trading in my V for a Pilot. I have looking at other V's in my city, we have lots of them for the best color and I realize 9 out of 10 V drivers are females. I dont have a problem with this since I am secure about my preferences but I have decided on a Pilot. On Thursday I counted 10 CR-V and 9 out of 10 were female drivers, Friday I counted 10 and 8 out of 10 were females and 1 was an elderly gent, today I counted around 5 V's and all 5 were female drivers. This might be pointless but its obvious which sex the CR-V was designed for. I love my V but its time for something "Bigger" and better...
  • sluglineslugline Member Posts: 391
    Naw . . . I think that just proves that women can have good taste in cars too.
  • vman123vman123 Member Posts: 10
    Automatic preferred
    Honda is another manufacturer aware of the popularity of its CR-V with the fairer sex. According to Peter Schnoll, product planner for Honda Canada, “Soccer moms like its functionality, for example, and we’d never tamper with that. It could be because its platform was originally based on the Civic. Honda built the CR-V specifically with female buyers in mind.”

    Schnoll adds that males tend to prefer a manual transmission. The newest version of the CR-V will features more “aggressive” styling, hopefully to attract younger female buyers. Many women buy vehicles like the CR-V strictly for its user-friendliness and practicality. The fact that it has all-wheel-drive is often of secondary importance.

    Styling is tops
    OK, so what do women want? What are they looking for when it comes time to get a new set of wheels?

    There are exceptions to every rule, of course, and it’s extremely unwise to generalize about anything. But it’s safe to say that styling is probably at the top of the list, followed closely by reliability. Value for money is definitely in there, as is drivability and the fun-to-drive factor.

    Unlike men, women will also factor in cuteness. As well, an automatic transmission is generally preferred to a stick shift. And don’t forget size and shape. Fuel economy? Nice, but not at the top of the list. Power and handling? Irrelevant. Image? Hardly.

    The bottom line is that women want their cars to be pleasing to the eye, dependable, comfortable, easy to drive, well built, and useful which is exactly why women love the CR-V.

    Which doesn’t really get us anywhere, as all buyers, regardless of gender, desire those qualities.

    Still, without fear of favour, here is an unofficial top 10 list of so-called “chick” cars.
    Volkswagen Beetle. Just wait until the convertible version comes out.
    Volkswagen Cabrio. Every girl’s dream.
    Mazda Miata. Cute, fun to drive, and very dependable.
    Honda Civic. How popular is it? Honda ran out of stock mid-year.
    Pontiac Sunfire Coupe. Good value for money, stylish exterior.
    Honda CR-V. The fact that it has AWD is almost irrelevant.
    Ford Escape. Especially given the Explorer imbroglio.
    Toyota Echo. Inexplicably, some find this car cute.
  • tomk17tomk17 Member Posts: 135
    I just did the first oil change on my 04 EX this weekend heeding all of the advise previously listed here. Went smooth, but the old filter gasket stuck on filter mount as I expected. It came off easily but I can see people (even dealers) not checking this as it is somewhat blind. My advise it this: WHENEVER YOU BRING YOUR V IN FOR A CHANGE, CAUTION THEM TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE OLD FILTER GASKET IS REMOVED. MAKE A HUGE DEAL OUT OUT THIS, TELL THEM IT HAS CAUSED MAJOR PROBLEMS. In my opinion, leaking/spraying oil is probably the culprit to the fires we have heard about here. BTW, the new filters have the same gasket design that can come off the filter. Toyota for example, uses an O ring integrated into the filter metal housing so it can not come off. Honda should do the same.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Actually, 4WD with two open differentials will behave like AWD, i.e. one front and one rear wheel will spin.

    By my definition of 4WD, the only difference is that 4WD will lock the front and rear axle together. So applying that to your example, the two wheels that spin would spin at exactly the same speed.

    Women tend to be far more practical than men in their choice of vehicle.

    Having said that, Miata as a chick car is a common myth, but it's not true at all. Most Miata owners are middle aged men. Call it a mid-life crisis car if you wish, but 59% of owners are male.

    -juice
  • tcasboytcasboy Member Posts: 214
    "#11949 of 11974 Uh, RT4WD doesn't drive all 4 wheels? by stevedebi Jan 28, 2004 (3:48 pm)
    In my opinion, the CR-V is an AWD vehicle, because it can drive all 4 wheels if conditions warrant."

    stevedebi: I was just trying to explain the difference between AWD, fulltime 4WD, and part time 4WD. Your opinion on what something is doesn't make it AWD, that's all I was trying to point out. The CRV is PART TIME 4 Wheel Drive, no matter how you explain it. Sorry for any offense.
  • johnnyrfjohnnyrf Member Posts: 65
    Lookng to see how compatible the Thule ski boxes are with the Honda CR-V roof racks. Anybody have a recommendation on a roof box that will hold a bunch of skis plus?
  • glycinemaxglycinemax Member Posts: 74
    Not sure about skis but the Thule Evolution cargo box (via LL Bean) takes five minutes to install/remove and is rock solid on the Honda roof rack (HandA) on our '02 CR-V EX. Box has been great for road trips bewteen DFW and points in NM and CO. Yakima and Sears are the other brands commonly seen.
  • wsbcawsbca Member Posts: 1
    I found an old post that lists the 2nd generation cargo area depth with the seats tumbled as 56", which seems like it might accomodate bikes with the front wheels off. I'm interested in the usable height - can someone please post that measurement? Also, any comments on whether by removing the carpet and picnic table you can get more usable height, specifically for carrying bicycles with the front wheels off and the forks fixed into mounts? I think I need at least 41" vertical clearance with a level surface, so if the forks (or rear tires) could go into the table well, maybe a bit less would work. I don't mind taking the front wheels off at all but I don't really want to have to lower the seats (the bike seats, that is).

    Thanks for any details!
  • keaneckeanec Member Posts: 349
    Got a question for all with a 2003 CRV AWD.

    I have been getting what i think is terrible gas mileage. My dealer doesn't know if it is good or bad (suffice to say - not a good dealer). my last tank which was 70% slower highway driving was 328 km(203 miles) using 42.6litres (11.25US Gal.). That equates to 21 mpg canadian or 18 mpg american. I drive inthe north slow some roads are snow covered but we aren't doing much slipping.

    Is this good? Bad? ugly?

    an offhand note - so far at 5000 miles we have never got more than 425 km (260 miles) to a full tank (50-55 litres) of gas.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    She's still a bit green, give it time. Also, extreme cold temps makes mileage take a nose dive.

    -juice
  • vman123vman123 Member Posts: 10
    By the way I passed on the Pilot, it needed $5000 in fixes, Im still holding on to the V, it has given me years of hardcore pleasure for sure but its time to move on up to something with real offroad credentials.

    Today out of 6 CRV I noticed 6 were women, cant help but notice the gender after reading that article on how Honda designed this SUV for the female gender set, whatever they did, it worked.
  • bluemalibu2000bluemalibu2000 Member Posts: 25
    Does anyone know what the ground clearance is on the CR-V? I'm debating between the CR-V and a Pontiac Vibe, which has 8.1 inch clearance. I would thin the CR-V has more, but just because it is a taller & larger car.
  • theracoontheracoon Member Posts: 666
    According to the Honda website, the 2004 CR-V has a ground clearance of 8.1".

    :)
  • bluemalibu2000bluemalibu2000 Member Posts: 25
    That's surprising - would have thought the CR-V would have more than the Vibe. Thanks.
  • bluemalibu2000bluemalibu2000 Member Posts: 25
    I drove over to look at a CR-V LX version this evening. The wheels on it almost look ridiculous for the size of vehicle. Does Honda offer any options on the LX wheels?
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Honda doesn't offer much in the way of options. They have a "one size fits all" marketing department.

    You can, however, easily swap with a set of rims from the Element (16"). Most Honda wheels use the same bolt pattern. You just have to be certain you don't stray too far from the proper offset.
  • arizonajoearizonajoe Member Posts: 123
    Alloy wheels are standard on the EX. The LX has steel wheels and they are quite unattractive.

    Thirdly, Honda offers an optional dealer-installed wheel for the CR-V - it looks good and a set goes for approx. $800 not including installation. You can views these wheels on the Honda website - www.hondacars.com - in the CR-V section. Just click on the accessories link.

    In all cases the wheels are 15" - which is disproportionate and unbalanced looking, given the size of the vehicle.
  • geossgeoss Member Posts: 1
    Hi ,
    I live north of Montreal and mt biggest concern when driving to work each day is the build up slush, and heavier snow on the sides of the road....I'd appreciate if any of you snow country CR-V owners could comment about the vehicle(I would get the AWD and put on 4 snows) in the type of conditions I mentioned.
    Thanks
    George
  • bluemalibu2000bluemalibu2000 Member Posts: 25
    Thanks everyone for the information on the wheels. If I do get a CR-V, looks like it will have to be the LX because of the cost, steel wheels and all. Everyone can just laugh as I drive by.
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Wouldn't the speedometer, odometer etc need some sort of adjustment...I always wondered how folks could just jumpt to a larger size wheel...are there not issues with doing this.
  • fasteddie9fasteddie9 Member Posts: 63
    Need advice on a good autobody place that does very good work in the Orland Park, Il vicinity. Surrounding areas ok. If someone can recommend a quality shop, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Andreaplume - You can increase the size of the rims and get a tire that has a shorter sidewall. If done properly, the net change should be no more than 0-2%.

    The sidewall of a tire allows for a bit of flex in the tires. The less sidewall you have, the less flex. So going with a larger rim and lower profile tire can improve handling. The downsides to this arrangement are stiffer ride and greater rotational mass (slightly less acceleration, lower mpg, unsprung weight, etc.). I doubt anyone would find the differences significant with a set of 16" rims, but going to 17" or 18" might lead to problems.
  • motordavidmotordavid Member Posts: 39
    I also discovered that gasket really sticking after pulling the filter. Good opin you had as to that being a potential leak producer even when dlr does it.
    Suprised that Honda does Not use a filter w/rubber O ring in the CR-V filter, as they been using that O ring in their M'cycle oil filters for 20 years. Their M'cycle filters by the way, look like jewels,imo. Not so on this 2nd world car,lol! BR,md
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,262
    You can also use the 16" alloys from a Honda Pilot. They also fit perfectly, and are 6.5" wide vs. the 6" wide on the Element and stock CRV. The proper size to maintain stock outside circumfrence is 215/60-16.

    The bigger wheel basically makes it look better through an optical illusion. The total height of the wheel/tire combo is the same, and does not fill up the wheel well any more than the stock combo, but it looks like it does. Theoretically, it should provide better handling as well.

    regards,
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  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Anyone notice how BIG small SUVs have become with recent designs? The trend has been discussed here before. Offer up an opinion in this thread.

    renegaded "What makes a small SUV small?" Feb 8, 2004 5:53pm
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    Well the trend goes all the way up the food chain.

    Have you noticed how most mid-size SUVs are becoming closer and closer to full size. Then the Full Size SUVs they are starting to feel more like the 18 wheeler they seem be using as a design standard.

    Soon there will be a new segment Compact SUV.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think we'll eventually have 4 size segments: small, medium, large, and XL.

    -juice
  • low_ball_88low_ball_88 Member Posts: 171
    Just purchased a used 99 crv-lx. Went to Alldata to check for recalls and TSBs on this particular year/model. The previous owner said that he never received any recall notices in the mail. But in Alldata, there were two recalls. 1) Ignition switch replacemnt; 2) Main wire harness. I was wondering if it is listed here in Alldata, does it mean that all 99 CRV-LX should have this done?

    Also, does anyone know if there is an anti-theft code for the 99 crv-lx radio. I would like to add a cd changer and if i disconnect the battery the radio does not work until a code is entered.

    Finally, any other major concerns that I should look for even though I searched through this tread to look for comments/concerns and did not come up with too many negatives.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Aggie - Yes, it does extend up the food chain. It's an evolutionary process. I started the discussion with mini-suvs because that is where the differences seem most obvious. In this class, evolution has happened almost overnight.

    Low_ball - Well, it's a little late to ask for concerns now! =)

    When a vehicle has recall work performed, they make note of the VIN. Any local dealer should be able to tell you if the work has been performed on that particular vehicle.

    I know that my '99 EX has a theft code for the radio. I assume that the LX uses the same sort of code. That should be supplied with the owner's manual, but you're lucky if they supply that with used vehicles. Again, I'd check to see if the local dealer can look it up for you.
  • low_ball_88low_ball_88 Member Posts: 171
    Thanks for the info. I will check with the dealer and will have the recall work done immediately.

    As for the radio anti-theft code, where in the owner's manual is it located? I know that my Acura had it on a card with a sticker on it containing a 5 or 6 digit code.

    Thanks
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Member Posts: 934
    Is the CRV available with the side cladding already installed. I looked at the installation instructions and it required removing door panels and the such. I fear a high installation fee as well as the fact that the peices will not go back properly and I'd have rattles. Funny thing is most others SUVs have the cladding. Look at the picture on Honda's site...I think it really gives the CRV a more complete SUV-like look.
  • tomsr1tomsr1 Member Posts: 130
    1. The rear windows need a separate lockout
       so that the power windows in the rear area
       can be disabled but not the front.Why?
       My two grandkids love to play with the
       buttons, and my 4 year old managed to get
       her fingers caught in the up window.

    2.The automatic door lock needs to have a way
      to choose whether or not you want it.
      
    I think cars are getting too complicated and us
    with brains are being insulted by the attempt to idiot proof cars.At least we don't have a voice telling us "Your door is ajar" anymore.Remember
    the most dangerous part of a car is the loose
    nut behind the wheel.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    Did your dealer install an aftermarket alarm? The standard power locks will only lock automatically if you unlock the door via FOB and then fail to open a door within about 30 seconds (at least on my 2003 EX, that is).

    "Remember the most dangerous part of a car is the loose nut behind the wheel."

    Wow, I thought there had been a recall for that problem...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Andre: you sure the door panels have to come off?

    My Forester has the stuff standard, but I added fender flares myself. It basically fastened with two-sided tape on the upper half and then a few bolts just inside the fender, out of view.

    Perhaps the CR-V's are the same way? I don't see why the panels would have to come off to mount cladding on the outside of the car.

    Any how, they've saved me from a door ding or two, or twelve. I love 'em.

    -juice
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,262
    The side cladding is only available as an accessory from the dealer. From what I've heard it is pretty simple..Installation probably won't run over $100. They will quote you a price with installation included, if you are worried about hidden charges. I have friends with the cladding, and no problems, although I chose not to get it.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    BTW I took photos of mine if you wanted to see them just for reference. Of course I realize the CR-V's are different but they likely employ some of the same basic ideas.

    -juice
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    The instructions for the cladding required the removal of all 4 door panels, to unscrew the existing molding. Then they also use glue for attachment.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well never mind, then, that sounds substantially different from what I did. I think I'd let the dealer handle something like that. You lose one of those retaining pins and you'll hear rattles for life.

    -juice
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