2001 - 2006 Honda CR-Vs

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  • hondax2hondax2 Member Posts: 9
    ...keeping me entertained. The righteous passion here in the CRV post overwhelms me!

    As I mentioned way back last week, my wife and I chose between the Subaru and the CR-v just two weeks ago. The Subaru models (Forester and Outback) lost to the CR-v primarily on roominess and comfort. My wife loved the "school bus feel" of the driver's position in the CR-v. She says her field of vision seems larger and she feels less like potential tractor/trailer fodder. Bear in mind, she's moving from a minivan to a miniute, so her recent driving experiences definitely would have affected her perception.

    I liked both Subaru models and the Honda. I thought the Subarus handled exceptionally well. I'd be happy to own them all, but could only afford one new vehicle this month...
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    Hence my clearer description in my prior post ;-).

    BTW, I have checked out the videos of the CRVIX road trips and they're quite entertaining. Although some of your fellow CR-V owners seem to be doing just fine in the light off-road trails, I can see a few situations where a permanent AWD system and a limited rear slip differential (or even better, four wheel traction control + low range) would be extremely beneficial. No doubt this has been discussed a length amongst yourselves, especially since the top end CR-V in Japan has VSA.

    I noticed that because the front wheels need to slip before enough pressure builds up for the rear ones kick in, many times at low speeds they would get bogged down by an obstacle, with clouds of dust from the spinning wheels. To get over it, they would need to back up and take a run at the object to try to use their momentum to the advantage (risking a tire puncture). However, it's entertaining watching nontheless. :-).


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  • dudkadudka Member Posts: 451
    the recent issue of "car and driver" listed cr-v's grip as .79 g and they stated it is higher than eclipse's grip. armed with this, i drove my V to work this morning, slaloming in between the cars in moderate traffic. i can attest to the numbers, it DOES stick to the road. there were three of us doing the same thing this morning. a mitsubishi montero, ford explorer and my self in the "underpowered", "box on wheels" i know it was alittle bit on the crazy side, but i could easily maneuver the car at 80 miles an hour and perform sudden lane change at 90 miles per hour. there was some rear end sway, but it was almost immedeately eliminated, i am not sure whether 4WD kicked in or not, but i was fun to drive to work this morning. the montero and explorer soon became a small dot in my rear view mirror, and the only companion i had was a nissan 240 SE (latest model), who basicall followed me through every maneuver. of course i had to stop at a gas station, because i could literally watch the gas gauge slowly move to the "E" (i just noticed there is no red zone near "E" on my gas gauge)

    $20 a fill up, ouch (i noticed that expedition's bill was $45, that was at the pump before me), i used to do $12 a fill up in my civic. if i drive sensibly (no hard accelerations, let the transmition shift at 3000 rpm) i usually (in the month that i have owned the cr-v) get about 360 miles per fill up, that is with a/c on, some city traffic, some highway stop and go, and just highway driving at 70 mph. i used to get 35 mpg in the 99 civic with vtec, according to my calculations i get 24 mpg in the brand new cr-v. i know from the previous new honda experiences that the gas mileage usually increases after 10k, miles. looking forward to that.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    "I noticed that because the front wheels need to slip before enough pressure builds up for the rear ones kick in, many times at low speeds they would get bogged down by an obstacle, with clouds of dust from the spinning wheels. To get over it, they would need to back up and take a run at the object to try to use their momentum to the advantage (risking a tire puncture). However, it's entertaining watching nontheless. :-)."

    It must be a load of fun trying to get over a wet, moss-covered tree trunk, or up a rock-strewn, sandy river bed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Les: since you asked for other references, check out Car & Driver's April 1998 issue. They also preferred the permanent systems over the CR-V's (which rarely enough, malfunctioned).

    But here's the funny part - there IS a lawn mower forum! It's under SUVs, look for Your Mower or your SUV - which spends more time off-road. It's hilarious!

    The CR-V's reliability scores in Consumer Reports are enviable, fantastic even. But don't overlook the fact that the Forester also scores well. It also has a better overall rating and better customer satisfaction (as measured by CR). It also knocked the CR-V out of the top spot to win the JD Power APEAL award for 2000.

    -juice
  • tintin2tintin2 Member Posts: 7
    I am going to be replacing my 1986 Isuzu Trooper II. I like the CR- for its good gas mileage, reliability and size. I am worried however that the CR- may not be able to do the things I need it to do.
    I use the Trooper now to get me and my family to trail heads and to put-in and take-outs for canoe trips. Lots of dirt road use on good to fair roads. The put-ins and take-outs are a different story. These are usually steep, deeply rutted tracks that require me to put the trooper into 4WD to get out of.
    Power should not be an issue became the Trooper puts out only an anemic 99 HI and it works well enough even with two boats plus gear.
    Anyone out there putting their CR- to such use? Do you think the CR- is up to it or do I need to go to a more off road oriented SUV like the 4runner? Any imput apprecieated.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I guess we'll never agree on these two vehicles, will we?

    I'm very happy with Subaru. You mentioned that you have a '92 Subaru. I suggest you look at the new Subarus. They're light years better than what you have.

    I'm interested in the '02 CRV, to see what improvements have been made. I have no interest in the current CRV. As I said, I'm mainly lurking in your CRV neighborhood to get info on the new '02 model.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Do you ever need the low range of your Trooper? If so, I'd look elsewhere. Also the tires on your Trooper are probably better suited to deep-rutted off-road abuse than those of the CRV. Besides offering better traction, they'd most likely be more resistant to punctures.

    Bob
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    It would be more fun to do that in your jeep ;).
    OK, show of hands, who would be stupid enough to drive a CR-V over a moss covered log or up a sandy, rock strewn river bed. Just as I thought, the pizza delivery guy in the back.

    Tintin, see if you can borrow one and give it a try. They can do more than most will give them credit for but let's not go comparing them to jeeps by any means.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    I thought this was the SUV forum, not the minivan area.

    Isn't part of the U in SUV (part of the "S", too) about the ability to handle off road chores with ease?

    What happened?
  • tintin2tintin2 Member Posts: 7
    Generally put-in and take-out roads are short and nasty. The Trooper does have a low end, but I don't use it much. 4WD high generally gets it done. I do not off-road for fun. Just need a vehicle that will get to a few hard to reach areas. Lets face it, most SUVs never leave the pavement. Why pay for all that off-road ability if you never need it.
    I know the CR-V is not a hard core SUV, but it does have some off-road ability. Just need to know where the line is, and what all of you have been able to do with your CR-Vs.
    Thanks
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Tintin2 - Maybe with the manual tranny. The 5 speed has a very low 1st gear. It falls right between the Grand Vitara's Low 1 and standard 1st gears. (The 5 speed is also considerably faster on pavement than the auto.)

    What you're describing isn't all that tough, but the main obstacles would be: traction (good tires) and clearance (for deep ruts). The tires on the CR-V are pavement biased, so you may want to upgrade those. The clearance shoudn't be a problem. I wouldn't recommend towing through these conditions, though.

    Make sure you shop the Nissan Xterra and Jeep Liberty as well. Both are much more competant off-road, but may be overkill for your purposes.

    Beatfarmer - Ummm... Me. Coincidentally, I was a pizza guy through college. :-) I've been over mossy deadfall. I've tackled wet rocks, muddy slopes, and slimely-like-snot water holes (pardon the gross description, but that's the one that fits). I've been off-road on snowmobile trails with a 6" cover of fresh powder over packed snow and ice. And I've had the oportunity to use the ole starter-powered push over a few rocks. Thus far, the only time I've had trouble was when I was still inexperienced with the CR-V and forced RT4WD to kick in too hard while traversing the side of a wet gravel slope. When the rear wheels kicked in hard, they too lost grip and I slid sideways down the slope. It was only a few feet, but I was sufficiently freaked out. ;-)

    The CR-V is no mountain goat, but I've had lots of fun by taking it slow and being smart.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    Sounds like you are taking your CRV to the limit.

    Tires DO make a big difference. They can help with both clearance and traction.

    Trouble is, you need torque to drive bigger tires and clearance from rubbing; both of which the CRV is light on.

    Keep on truckin'!
  • tintin2tintin2 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks varmit, it sounds like the CR-V will work for my needs. Have you upgraded your tires for off-road use? If so what kind/size tires do you use?
    Thanks
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Even among Jeeps, more than 90% of owners never go off road. For most other makes, it's 99% or more.

    Automatics are actually easier off-road, though (and I'm a huge fan of true manuals).

    You could always get bigger, knobbier tires. Weren't there some photos with a CR-V wearing 225/70s? I imagine that could make it.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    without changing gearing, would work against performance. The vehicle would in effect be geared taller, which would hurt "pulling" performance.

    I'd be more inclined to stay with the same size, but with a true M&S tread. A tire with a "LT" (light truck) rating would probably be more resistant to punctures than a car tire; but that may be overkill, and probably wouldn't handle as well either.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's is a trade-off in many ways. 225s would give you an extra 0.6" of ground clearance, and gearing about 4.2% taller.

    Off road tires are noisy, though, and don't last, but they'd surely grip better on tougher trails, if that's what you needed.

    The gearing would actually quiet the engine down a bit a higher speeds (since it would rev lower), but you would effectively lose leverage (i.e. torque).

    -juice
  • sluglineslugline Member Posts: 391
    . . . was that Honda saw a market niche for something that blended desireable traits of different kinds of other vehicles and delivered a great product to fill it. Not landing solidly in the "SUV" category probably did not cause anyone to lose any sleep.

    Personally, I think I could justify creating additional CR-V topics in the minivan and station wagon categories, but we'd get even more quizzical reactions there. :)
  • jac76jac76 Member Posts: 3
    I've been watching and learning from this board for a while now, and am in need of some advice. Currently, we are trying to decide between the CRV and Nissan Xterra. Here's the story: we will be driving cross country next March, moving to Seattle. Once we get to Seattle, we'll be living close to the city with frequent visits to the mountains. My feeling is that the X will be better for the road trip and any off-roading, but the CRV will be better in town, gets better gas mileage and let's face it, Hondas are the best (currently driving a '93 Civic DX coupe). There probably won't be a great deal of actually departing the pavement, but steep hills, winding paths, etc... Did I mention we have a 65 lb. dog? I've done the side by side comparison on this site, and each SUV has its good points, but one specific question I have is this: Is it better to have a v-6 for the road trip (one dealer said that it would be)? The X also has greater towing capacity (which will come in handy when we get that wave runner), a greater payload if I'm not mistaken and I find the driver and front passenger seats more comfortable. I know the choice depends on what features are more important, but I almost feel like we need two different cars. Any insight or information anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The newer, car-based SUVs were designed for the way most customers actually use them. That's OK, the CR-V led sales in the small segment (now the Escape does), and the RX300 has led the luxury segment. I guess we'll see if the Highlander can topple the Explorer, but the trend is towards car-based (sorry, squatch, but it's true).

    Julie: I strongly disagree with that dealer. The XTerra's V6 has good low-end torque, but it actually runs out of steam rather quickly, and performs poorly on the highway and at high speeds. The CR-V will pretty much keep up with one and yield better mileage.

    There is a supercharger option now, but it requires premium fuel so buy stock in Exxon if you get one to offset the highest fuel costs in this segment.

    More importantly, the XTerra is all truck. Drive one. Bouncy ride, major lean in turns, poor handling, and bad gas mileage. Very cool image, though.

    Wave runners are light. Get an aluminum trailer. In fact, you can rent a small utility trailer for the move if you have a hitch, just be aware of the 1000 pound towing limit.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Tintin2 - Nope, I run on the stock BFGs. I'm in agreement with Bob. More aggressive treads will do the trick. There's no need to upgrade the size.
    The best case scenario would be to buy the CR-V for daily use. Then go to E-bay and purchase a set of stock steel rims (people are always upgrading their rims, so the steel ones can be had pretty cheap). Now go out and buy some off-road tires for those rims. Switch 'em out when necessary.
    This probably seems a bit expensive and pesky, but compare it to the extra purchase cost of the Xterra or Liberty. Also factor in costs for repairs and extra gas. It's actually quite a bargain.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    But then you'd have two 15" sets.

    I say put aggressive 225/70s on the stock rims, and then Plus One to a 16" set with high performance tread (for pavement). Best of both worlds.

    Once in a while you'll find 16" alloy rims on sale for $75 or so at Discount Tire Direct, and that's about what you'd pay for steelies.

    -juice
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    the Highlander isn't going to topple the Explorer in terms of units sold. The 4-door Explorer, the 2-door Explorer Sport and the Explorer Sport Trac are all accounted for as "Explorer" models when the volume numbers are tallied up annually. This gives Ford the bragging rights to have the "#1 selling midsize SUV." Not only in the U.S., but in the world. Don't even bring in the Firestone problems because the new Explorers are still selling well despite the tire issues.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Jac76 - Sounds like the Tribscape might be a good compromise. It's got the V-6 of the Xterra along with the towing capacity, but it shares the car-like comfort of the CR-V. Only obvious downfalls are notorious quality/design problems and lower than promised mpg.

    I'll let the Xterra experts speak for their own.

    With regard to the CR-V, you have these items to consider:
    A CR-V will easily handle a wave-runner. However, if you soon discover the joys of boating in a "real boat", the CR-V may not be enough to handle the toy that you upgrade to.
    I've never met a hill or trail that the CR-V cannot climb. It's just a matter of how many RPMs you are prepared to listen to while you do it. There have been times when I've had to downshift to 4th (my '99 EX is a blessed manual) and rev the engine to 4,000 rpms to maintain 50mph going up steep hills in the White Mountains. Can it do it? Sure, no problem. Is it quiet? Nope. Take a good test drive and see if it bothers you.
    Last bit. The CR-V seats are actually quite comfortable. You may find that sitting "bolt upright" is a great improvement. It just takes a few trips to get accustomed to.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Even with all the woes that the Explorer has endured this year, I see tons of new '02 Explorer 4-doors in my neck of the woods.

    Bob
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    TinTin2 - Someone just made this suggestion over at the CR-V Information Xchange. You can try contacting your dealer about getting a set of "take offs". When a customer upgrades their LX model by purchasing the alloys, the dealer ends up with an extra set of steel rims. According to the poster who has done this, they've recently been offered for $15 each. In the past, he's gotten them for as little as $2 each.

    Jac76 - I forgot to mention. I also have a 65lbs dog. She fits fine in the back. So does her 85lbs brother. Both are long legged greyhounds. Since you've been following this thread for a while, you probably know the rest...
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Juice - This is the CR-V IX article about the tires you mentioned. (With a pic for those who don't like reading) :-)


    image

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Nice tires. Too bad the wheel arches are too small for them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Those swampers are hilarious! I love it!

    Seriously, though, if you had a 2nd set of rims, you'd only need them for those trips. Plus you wouldn't have to go that extreme (those are far bigger than 225/70R15).

    -juice
  • tintin2tintin2 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks for the replies all. Varmit if you can do all the off road driving you do with the stock tires, I doubt I will need anyting more. In the picture you posted it looks like the tires are rubbing already! That does not look like a very viable alternative. Those big tires are also going to suck power away from an already marginal engine, as others have posted, and will kill the good gas milage that makes the CR-V so much more attractive then the other SUVs out there.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    I would think maybe 235/75R15 would be OK.

    A little smaller than the monster mudders (I did not know they made the "monster" mudders that small) shown.

    You could/should get a decent off road type tread for one set for off road and winter use, and maybe 225/70R15 in maybe a more "sporty/touring" tread pattern for sunny weather and highway use.
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I was picturing a bigger log ;p. I was just trying to rile up Sasquatch a bit.
  • jac76jac76 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the help, guys. Varmit, I'm not too worried about the noise the CRV makes, I can just turn the radio up, right ;) I'll check out info on the Tribute, but I'm pretty much scared of Ford...

    Juice, I've heard from many sources that the X is uncomfortable and handles poorly, but I didn't find that to be the case. Maybe we didn't drive it long enough, but we took some pretty hard, fast turns and didn't feel like we were going to roll over. To each his own, right?

    My gut is telling me that the CRV will probably be better in the long run, but I want to be really sure, you know? I'm sure other issues will arise in the car hunt, so I'll be sure to refer to your expertise.

    Thanks a million, and if you have any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

    rrrrrrrr! rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

    ;-)
  • tintin2tintin2 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks for the replies all. Varmit if you can do all the off road driving you do with the stock tires, I doubt I will need anyting more. In the picture you posted it looks like the tires are rubbing already! That does not look like a very viable alternative. Those big tires are also going to suck power away from an already marginal engine, as others have posted, and will kill the good gas milage that makes the CR-V so much more attractive then the other SUVs out there.
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    TinTin2 - Just be careful about when and how you take on the rough stuff. Most of my off-road trips are hardly "trips". In other words, I'm not too far from civilization, the nearest tow truck, or at least a bunch of guys with a pickup truck and the will to work for beer.

    Even if you do opt for off-road tires (the swampers are big-time OVERKILL), also buy a "come along" and a decent tow strap. Combined, they ought to cost you less than $50. One of the advantages of having a CR-V is the fact that it's rather light weight. While off-roading in the Allegheny National Forest, we had a newbie get stuck. Four of us grabbed the tow strap and hauled him back onto the road. Two of us could've done the job. With four on the pulling end of the strap, we almost toppled over. It moved so easily. :-)

    Beatfarmer - The SoCal group is going to the sequoia forests soon. Maybe you can find a nice big, mossy log in there. ;-)
  • llofgrenllofgren Member Posts: 129
    I read some extreme 4 wheeling mag the other day...in fact, I think it was "4 Wheelin'". They did a tire test on 10 different mud tires. They used a modified Jeep Wrangler for all the tests. They had a 100 ft stretch of muck that got to about 4 feet depth. They ran the car through with each set the same way then measured how far each set could take the Jeep before it got bogged down and had to be towed out with a tractor. The results ranged from 45 feet to 80 feet....except for one set. Super Swampers!!! They made it all the way through and did not need to be towed!. They (Super Swampers)had very high marks for "flotation."
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Somehow this CR-V looks naked without the Super Swampers...


    image


    I just love to pull this pic out every now and then. :-) Someone over at the CR-V IX just reminded me of it.

  • sasquatch_2000sasquatch_2000 Member Posts: 800
    a moon unit probe type of thing.

    Anyone remember "Space 1999"?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Scared of Ford? Why? It's just a couple of wheels falling off! ;-)

    If you're comfortable with the CR-V, that's what counts. We're all shaped differently, after all.

    My suggestion, if you are hesitant, is to try the alternatives. Test drive a RAV4, Forester, Santa Fe, and Tribute. Then drive the CR-V again. If you still like it, you'll always know it was the best available at the time of your purchase, and have no regrets.

    squatch: and here I though you'd like that one!

    -juice
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I don't think I'll make that meet.


    I was thinking you meant something like this


    image


    That's my friend Jim and his "toy". You should see it now with the bigger tires.


    Space 1999, now you are dating yourself.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Bigger? Boy, that thing must go roar-roar-roar on the highway.

    -juice
  • varmitvarmit Member Posts: 1,125
    Beatfarmer - I did. ;-)

    Actually, I would need a rock placed at the very bottom to help with the approach angle, but otherwise I could make it that far up the rock with my CR-V. Basically, you just need to get the front end clear, then push it up the wall with your rear tires. Any farther would require divine intervention or the generous application of high explosives.

    Sasquatch - I was thinking of a terrible movie from the late 70's called "Delta Force" or something like that. It featured a bunch of suped up motor bikes and sand rails with guns and plastic armor stapled onto them.

    I can understand why you wouldn't like the Super G.U.T.S. CR-V, though. Manly vehicles are supposed to have exposed rust spots and big dents. :-)
  • vonnyvoncevonnyvonce Member Posts: 129
    Reviewed the ongoing debate over AWD (Subaru style) with Honda's RT AWD. Got me thinking would it be possible to rig the V's AWD to a 50-50 lockup as what can be done with the Escape. The Escape functions like the V but can be set to stay 50-50. This might help with the V's need to react not anticipate. Any ideas????
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I've been beat up too much on this topic over here, and don't want to incite another riot. %+{

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I bet that Jeep went up and at angle, then straightened it out. It's approach angle is not THAT good.

    If you rigged the CR-V to go 50/50, my concern would be that the system is not designed to be engaged full time, and it could overheat.

    The Forester is 50/50 all the time, so the center viscous coupling only needs to act when there is slippage, hence it's not heating up all the time.

    The Escape and Tribute use a Ford tranny, basically the same CD4E unit used in the Mazda 626 4 cylinder and Ford Contour. It's a poorly designed unit that has failed in so many 626s that it's become a punch line (do not take my word for it, please read the 626 topic).

    Two funny things - first, the 5 speed 626s and the V6's automatic are Mazda units, and they are perfectly reliable. Only the Ford unit is problematic.

    Second, the Tribute and Escape are much heavier and have engines with far more torque. Imagine asking a tranny that is struggling to handle its current load an extra 500 pounds and 73 lb-ft of torque.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You cannot go 50/50 on dry pavement. There is no center differential on the CR-V, so you would have some pretty nasty binding. The tires could scrub off part of the difference, but in a sharp turn things would get really ugly.

    The Forester has an center diffy, so it can operate full time.

    -juice
  • beatfarmerbeatfarmer Member Posts: 244
    I interpreted vonny's post to read could you rig a CR-V to have a lock feature like the Escabute. Not, could you make a full time lock ala Soob. It that case you don't need to worry about a center diff. But could it be done? It you had a spare RT4WD unit to mess around with and a good amount of knowledge, sure. (don't forget money)

    Knowing my friend, he probabally landed there!
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    ....but I'm here to announce the new Honda CRV Owners club now available on Edmunds.com Owner's Club board. Please stop by and introduce yourself in Meet the Members and let me know how I can help build your club.

    I have linked this discussion into that folder, but it will always reside here in SUVs.

    Looking forward to meeting everyone!

    KarenS
    Host
    Owner's Clubs
  • dudkadudka Member Posts: 451
    i didn't have a chance to look at the schematics of the RT4WD used in the cr-v, but from what i understand it is activated when there is a wheel spin in the front, that builds up the pressure and engages the rear wheels. wouldn't it be possible to just hook up an electric oil pump to the differential and artificially build the pressure, thus engaging the rear wheels?
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