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I guess what I meant to say or would like is to see the torque at a lower RPM. To have it arrive a little earlier without having to wring the engine. Though I know the Honda engines are revving engines, for once, I don't want to give passengers the impression that I'm driving like "a bat outta hell". :-P
is that they might change the "independent wishbone
suspension" to a "Mac Strut suspension" like in the
new civics. a bit of personal comfort level.
i've accepted that my crv has a PTTR feature (it's
not a bug!) ... 'coz when i drove I95 and the
car veers right, them "wake up strips" in the
road always got me back from snoring...
good safety feature... you avoid heading onto
incoming traffic
I guess the point I was trying to reinforce was the fact that the peak torque figure is okay. I'm not expecting 160+ ft.lbs from the new buggy. I think a whole lotta people will be dissapointed if they read that there's only a difference of 7-10 ft.lbs between the old and new engines. What they may not see if the fact that the curve is the important improvement.
regarding the increase in torque- the big rumor floating around is that the engine will be 160hp and 140lb-ft torque. I hope the torque rumor isn't true...140 seems a bit weak.
I'm guessing that Nissan will be bringing over their new X-Trail shortly-which may get their new 180 HP 2.5 engine (this rumored for the Aussie market, so if they get it, we probably will too).
So, with that in mind I'm hoping the new CRV will offer much improved HP and torque.
Bob
is it advisable to put the gear in Neutral while
in idle, then in Drive when light is green?
i'm just concerned about wear and tear on the
auto tranny.
i know that for manual trannys, your pressure
plate would have a reduced life if you were a
clutch driver.
kinda stupid question but i have been driving
manuals for over 10 years and it's my 1st time
to own an automatic tranny vehicle. i'm also
used to the fact that when a manual stalls, you
can use the "push n throttle" method to start
the car (n/a on autos)
i may be on the wrong thread but my car is a cr-v
I always step on the brakes when I'm at a red light.
The only time when I shift to park is when I'm waiting for a train to pass by at a railroad crossing, or when I'm in line at the fast food drive thru.
I've never shifted to neutral when the car's idle, but I don't see any harm that it could cause.
rsholland- The new Forester sounds really good. If they could give those of us who are image-conscious a Forester that doesn't look like a tall wagon, I would seriously consider buying it. Forget a lower center of gravity for superior handling, anyone who's foolish enough to swing an SUV as if it were a sports car deserves to have the thing flip over.
Reviews from the UK say that the X-trail is rather heavy and the 180hp really does it no good.
This reminds me of the TV Guide issue a few weeks ago that "scooped" everyone by printing the first shot of the new starship Enterprise for the fall UPN show of the same name.
I would think that a major auto mag or even USA Today would make more of an effort to get spy pics of the new CR-V. Makes you wonder if more people have an interest in seeing what a fictional starship looks like than the next generation of the most popular mini-SUV out there.
I agree varmit, Honda's getting annoying with all this hype over the CR-V. For their sake, it better live up to what they've been putting us through.
I've already seen spy pics of the new Chevy Tracker, and that won't come out for several months. Meanwhile the CR-V is due out in 2 months!
Are they trying to get rid of every single 2001 CR-V on the dealers' lots before bringing in the 2002?? We already know what it's going to look like, might as well let us see it in the flesh.
Very smart (non)marketing on their part. And it helps to clear out the old inventory with prospective buyers that do not know (or maybe do not care) that a re-do is very close to market. Again, smart company.
Sure, Chevy Tracker spy pix are available; Chevy probably released them. Unlike Honda, they need to beat the drum a bit.
It's just a bit frustrating for folks like us. Honda has always been good at hiding their new models, but they've been especially successful with the '02 CR-V. The teaser pics are almost a slap in the face, though. It's like they took pity on us and dangled a carrot out front. :-)
And no info on the new CR-V whatsoever...
Do you think Honda would really be upset (for losing sales) with your ordering an MDX instead of waiting for the CRV??? I think not......
The same goes for the redesigned Odyssey---the 2 bucket seats in the front that scoots together to form a bench, and the 'magic' disappearing 3rd row bench. Even after 3 years on the market, people are still paying MSRP and waiting on lists to buy one.
I agree, the RSX and Civic were both disappointments. Not big disappointments, but I think I speak for most when I say that we expected a little more from this company.
But I won't let those 2 examples rob away from the mystique of the new CR-V. Based alone on the rumors of the new engine and exterior design, I'm pretty sure the CR-V won't be a disappointment.
Plus, I don't know that Honda has announced any official time frame for the release (although a 2002 model generally should be available from any automaker by about September, October at the latest).
And I agree with varmit above; look at all the interest in the new model without Honda yet having to spend a nickel on marketing.
(On another topic . . . I'm organizing an Owners Meet in Galveston on October 6. I will refer any follow-up messages to the Events discussion under CR-V Owner's Clubs)
The Insight and S2K are probably the best examples of "pushing the envelope", but Honda has been busy doing other things as well. With the demise of the Prelude and the redesign of the CR-V, every Honda product line will be rated LEV or better. The new i-VTEC engines provide more low end torque while, at the same time, providing better emmisions, better mpg, and a smaller more compact block. Also, crash protection has jumped considerably. The Civic is a good example. Look at the average-at-best results for the previous Civic and compare it to the best in class ratings for the new one. Every car since the CR-V has earned 5 star crash ratings from the NHTSA. The IIHS scores are improving as well.
Those are the type of changes that Honda has been making. While these may not set the enthusiast world on fire, I think that they have been making strides in more important directions.
Other notes:
1) Wheels & tires look bigger
2) Rear area behind second seat definitely larger
3) Vehicle is wider by about 3-5 inches
4) Vehicle is taller by about 1-2 inches
5) vehicle is longer by about 6 inches
6) Roof rack is intergrated onto roof design
7) The caption under the photo says Honda will begin sales in the US on Nov 15, 2001, also the caption confirms a larger 4 cylindar engine but does not specify HP.
My assessment of the new CRV's dimensions, are only an educated guess, as there is no human visible in photo to guage real dimensions.
Please note: I'm making a distinction between superior value/interior design, which Honda always provides, and the visual appeal of vehicles like the Passat(when it appeared in '97) or the 2001 RAV, or the Honda JDM Fit subcompact. I have zero interest in buying another CR-V, if it means the same tired old styling with minor changes, although there will be improvements in emissions, crash protection etc.
You can tell your neighbor that you're actually doing Ford/Chevy a favor by supporting efficient markets and buying the more competitive vehicle. Car companies compete and operate on a global scale these days. "Buying American" is a very outdated and narrow view.
Remember, buying your Honda supports Honda jobs in the US. It also ups the ante for other American companies to provide more competitive products.
Ken
In reference to the posting by Varmit- this is definitely the new CRV, disappointing as it may be. I have been reading Automotive News for 15 years, and have seen many spy shots published. They have never published any photos that did not turn out to be accurate. They are the Bible of the Automotive industry, and virtually all Auto Execs and Dealership owners read it weekly. No, Varmit, this is not the picture of a disguised CRV, it is barely disguised. You can clearly see the obvious new styling, wheels, and overall appearance. My experience in reading Auto publications for over 40 years tells me that disguised prototypes usually appear in photos in publications at least 6-12 months before product launch. This photo is only 2 1/2 months from product launch. Which brings me to another point- the OFFICIAL CRV intro date is Nov 15, but usual industry practice tells me that 2002 CRV's will start arriving at dealers the 3rd or 4th week in October.
I dunno how much HTML you know, so this is how the linking works...
Copy the URL of the pic (I simply right click on the image, select "properties" and copy the address).
Then create an image tag (this is the HTML part). The tag looks like this:
[img src="url"]
Only in place of using the square brackets, you'd use the angle brackets < > The tag I used for the above pic looks like this (except for the brackets).
[img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~bingsc/temp/2002_crv.jpg"]
This looks like the best pic we've seen so far, but that doesn't mean it's the production model. For all we know, this vehicle was built last year to test the new suspension and engine.
Furthermore, I like the styling (except for the roof rack). It's just that it looks more like the current model than even I was expecting.
The Racoon posted some information about the trailer it's towing. According to his research, the trailer alone should be about 1,500+lbs with a capacity that would almost double that. Thanks Racoon.
My guess is that we'll see some more of these over the next few weeks, until it bows at an auto show in September.
As far as the styling goes...Eh, not exactly thrilling, but then again it ain't the S2000. We'll see what happens with the production model.
Bob
Ps- Anyone see a tire off the back window? Hmm, I can't make one out.
I think this is definitely the final product. The headlights look identical to the ones on the picture posted by varmit. If you look closely, there is a thin veil of some sort that's covering the upper half to make it look as if it were a current CR-V.
Those wheels are too small...I hope we get bigger wheels as an option. It looks like a Honda Escape.
Don't ask me how, but I can definitely tell that it's bigger than the current model. And look...there's barely a bumper protruding from the back. So much for improved crash test scores...
Here is more proof about the accuracy of the photo: I have owned a number of Honda products thru the years, and I always have noticed the similarity of design in all their products. I currently own an Acura MDX and some of the same design cues are apparent in the photo. For example, door handles. These appear to be the same design as the MDX- a single rectangular pull-type handle. The dashboard shape visible thru the window includes a hump in the middle of the dashboard- just like my MDX. This "hump" allows the center A/C vents and radio area to be raised slightly for better accessability and ease of use.
The lack of body disguising tricks are further proof that this is a production mule. The trailer towing numbers are only a guess and could be way off- a picture is worth a thousand guesses.
I was at the 2000 Detroit auto show where the MDX prototype was shown, and you're right it was about 7/8 scale and not totally true to the eventual production version. But, the actual photos and specs were fully revealed by June & July of 2000, and the vehicle arrived, and I took delivery in October 2000.