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Other than that, it annoys me that Honda is exporting EX CR-V's with body-colored bumpers & door handles to North America, but only for Canada. Not only that, their EX get the body colored hard plastic spare cover, as well.
What's with the antenna? I thought it was going to be mounted European style (like in the back, on the roof, and very short), instead of the solid one shown in the article.
The Cruze looks like a Mountaneer to me, sort of.
Honda inventories were exceptionally low before, so now they are just a little lower than normal. I looked at some data from Automotive News. Don't expect 0% any time soon, not on the new CR-V or Odyssey, any how.
-juice
Steve
Juice - Most reports seem to indicate that there is little or no change in how it handles. I suspect that the extra size and different wheel position may change how it "feels", but the handling is supposed to be the same.
-juice
A Type S would have a have a whole lot more "juice" than 200 hp...
mini-suv set. While still maintaining good mpg.
Question
Why not leather in the EX-l 2002 crv or heated outside mirrors. Dose HONDA Corporation take advantage of American's Love of the Honda CRV and offer us less product for the same price they pay up north???????
Bob
The Pathfinder board is full of talk people can go buy Canadian Pathfinders about $4000 cheaper than State side. Identical equiped cars except speedo reads in kilometers. How can the car companies justify this and where are the comsumer advocates? We are paying more for everything, look at the drugs !
That would easily top 200hp, as the 2.0 liter engine in the RSX can make as much as 220 (type-R, Japan only). The problem is making that available at a lower rpm.
SE Model- what does Honda think it's doing? We would settle for black door handles and non-matching spare cover if they didn't produce it at all. But if we know Canada's going to get it, we should raise a stink about it. First they get the Acura EL, now this...
If that's the case, then they're paying for those extra things. I'm sure Americans would be willing to pay extra for those extra things, just as long as it's within reasonable boundaries.
Beyond that, Canada is just a more civilized place, I'm not sure that the Americans deserve equal treatment yet.
Miamicrv - Canada will remain a third world country until they can cook Italian food without using ketchup. ;-) ;-)
To sum-up- I would still pick the CRV over the aforementioned competition because it does almost everything well and offers the best COMPROMISE, if not the most groundbreaking function.
Yachtie
why stop at 2.4? add another .1 liter
That is probably the European thing. Honda could develop just one engine, and use it globally, without dropping it into a high tax bracket (by displacement) by using a 2.5 liter engine. This is my guess for the choice of 2.4 liter displacement for larger four cylinder engine by Toyota (Camry/Highlander) and Honda. But then, I wonder, why Honda opted for the lower end of the 2400 cc range. The actual displacement is only 2354 cc, while it could have been 2445 cc, and still a 2.4 liter engine, that is almost 0.1 liter!.
rsholland
an SUV that doesn't put out much power below 6000 rpm? That's what you'd get get with an S2000-powered CRV. Doesn't sound like a good fit to me.
S2000 engine actually puts more power than the CR-V engine at 6000 rpm (about 170 HP), the problem would however be...
- requires premium gasoline
- would work only with manual transmission (unless Honda decides to develop F1-style transmission)
- doesnot develop as much power at lower rpm, but since the engine would be high revving, the gearing will keep the engine speed up in the 'sweet zone' for S2000, and possibly discomfort zone for most CR-V buyers.
- and most importantly, the F20C is designed for RWD chassis! And it still doesn't use iVTEC which is supposed to be featured in every Honda engine by 2005.
Are these cylinders siamesed (sp?) as they were on the original CR-V?
Mainemanx - The new block does employ some fancy architecture, but I dunno if it's the same trick used on the current CR-V. The current 2.0L has external dimensions that are about the same size as the 1.6L.
Robertmx - Over in Europe, the CR-V uses the 2.0L engine from the Stream (154hp). I can't think of any other Civic-based model that would a 2.4L.
I recently bought a 2001 CRV LX but without
keyless entry. It costs an extra $350(?)from
the dealership. I've seen handa accessories.com
selling it for $66 (apparently, the receiver in
the car is factory-installed in all CRVs). All
you need is to buy the transmitter and program it.
Is this true? I wonder how one CRV will be uniquely unlocked by a generic transmitter. Thanks
for any help!! - Robert
roof rack, door bump guard, wheel locks and mud
guards. I hope I didn't do too bad, since the blue
was hard to find and we wanted that color. You think it was a fair deal?
Robert
The S2000 is rather tame until around 6000 rpm. From there to its 9000 rpm, is where its "sweet spot" is. I really think the S2000 engine in the CRV would be a big mistake. Give me the current 2.4L engine any day; much more usable power in every day kind of situations.
Bob
Would a Honda purchased in Canada still be covered under U.S. warranties? Hmmm I bet not.
Any other reasons NOT to pursue this?
http://www.canadianautoreview.com/crv-headlights.jpg
Or Americans can just add a lightbulb ? Plus maybe a controler ?
I think if American buys a car in Canada and brings it right out, he wouldn't have to pay Canadian taxes. But he will have to pay his state tax, title and liscense fees like he would buying local. Nissan Pathfinder board can answer your further buy Canadian questions.
I think you did good on the LX as far as I can make out. Regarding the keyless entry, $350 is too much. A friend of mine paid about $125 (installed) at dealership on his CRV.
Mainemanx:
I believe their 2.4 litre engine displacement has more to do with Honda's limitations on bore centers
May be, but I still believe the displacement choice has to do with tax bracket (same for Camry). But since this is a new generation of Honda engines, it would be possible for Honda to have 86 mm bore for some engines and greater for engines that they intend to go quite a bit undersquare (2.4 liter/I-4, 3.5 liter/V6). The 2.0 liter engine on which this powerplant is based has 86 mm bore, but the 2.4 liter does have it at 87 mm (and 99 mm stroke, that is 2 mm longer than the current 2254 cc in Accord).
Varmit:
Over in Europe, the CR-V uses the 2.0L engine from the Stream (154hp). I can't think of any other Civic-based model that would a 2.4L.
You’re right, but use of 2.4 liter engine being used on North American CRV could power a version of the European Accord (ES?), while CRV uses the Stream variation (as would lower trims of Accord).
Rsholland:
S2000 engine is called ‘tame’ at lower rpm because it doesn’t have the extra advantage over other 2.0 liter engines by itself. But it is still on the better side of what a typical engine of its size would do. It develops about 140-145 lb.-ft from 3000 to about 5500 rpm (which is about the same or greater than the peak torque of the engine CRV would get outside North America). But past 5500 rpm, the torque output jumps up, and gets going stronger where most other engines would go the other way, hence the feeling. The F20C could make for an interesting engine, just not practical for the purpose CRV serves. But the 2.4 liter engine does provide greater torque at about all rpm under 5500 rpm, and that makes sense.
Concerning the remote entry: The remotes are not programmable; you would be actually programming the CR-V's receiver. Whatever dealer (and the online places that sell Genuine Honda Parts are dealers too) sells you the remotes . . . be sure to get the detailed list of instructions from them.
Here's the basic idea: First, you will use your ignition key in a sequence that will put your vehicle in a special "listening" mode. Then you press buttons on each of the remotes you want to use (up to three I think), and the car will memorize their codes.
Just make sure no one else is around your car with a Honda remote when you do this.
like it had a timing chain.I could be wrong since
I have never seen Honda use them in car engines.
I have owned a number of Honda motorcycles and they used chain camdrives.I trust chains more than rubber belts.Maybe they are too noisy for car
applications.What do you think?
This came with roof rack,mudguard,door bumpguards and wheel locks...in hindsight, I
think for this week they have a $500 cashback
incentive so it may not have been that good
a deal...what do you think? Thanks! I wished
I saw this messageboard so I could have negotiated
down the options....
Robert
That's exactly my point. The "mission" of the CRV engine is much different than that of the S2000's engine, and therefore, is better suited to the task at hand.
Bob
Prices from handa-accessories.com (I'm rounding to nearest dollar): roof rack $206, mud guards $35, door edge guards $40, wheel locks $35. Subtract these from $19k and you're left with $18684 as the price of the car plus destination fee.
For a 2001 LX 4WD automatic, invoice price plus destination fee are $18,672 according to Kelley Blue Book . . . meaning robertr4 got his car at $12 over invoice. Not too bad at all for someone who wishes they had negotiated harder!
http://www.handa-ccessories.com/crv/crvkeyless.pdf
I have a 1997 CRV @ the time in 97 they didn't offer the keyless entry, but it is setup for it.
it took me 5 minutes to install.
I am keeping my 97 with 124,000 mile on it, and i intend to order a 2002 CRV EX as soon as they come out.
I'd like to see the base Accord with 160/162. That kind of power would make for a capable economy car. Still, Honda would be better off with an engine designed for the Accord; one with higher mpg and lower emissions.
What's the competition up to this week?
Ford just lost a lawsuit regarding some older ignition systems that could fail or cause the car to stall. Could it be the same problem that the Escape and Tribute owners are reporting?
The Freelander was just recalled for failing handbrakes (again, older models only).
The Saturn VUE will get a bigger brother (simply called the 318 internally) and that vehicle will use the Honda V-6s that GM has been purchasing. They are trying to crank out an extra 50hp from the Honda block. As I understand it this should be possible with less restrictive air intake. But watch out for a huge increase in sound and a decrease in fuel efficiency.
Unlike all the other Odysseys there, the middle and rear seats were not mentioned on the window sticker. So, apparently Honda also markets a version of the Odyssey for people not interested in middle or rear seats. Other than the lack of seats, it's identical to an LX trim model. What caught my eye was that it stickered a bit over $20K. Also, the rear area was fully carpeted and came with a huge rear carpet mat too.
Bob
2002 CRV and all new Honda engines, including the RSX and Civic Si have timing chain.
varmit:
The next generation Accord will, like any other Honda, have the engine spinning in the other direction. And the 2.4 liter I-4 will power the base Accords for sure. As far as mileage goes, Honda will probably introduce a new transmission for Accord (quite possibly a five speed automatic), and will definitely gear Accord a little taller than the CR-V to get (much) better gas mileage. I'm expecting Honda to improve upon existing gas mileage on both, I-4 and V6 models, by atleast 1 mpg at both ends.
rsholland:
I've seen an Odyssey with middle and rear seats removed at a dealership. It is probably the 'cargo' version.