I picked up my 02 Ex, auto, blue on Friday. I love it! The dealer was very nice when I picked it up, even gave me a full tank of gas (which should be standard). I purchased the front mud flaps, wheel locks and tonneau cover from HandA and they were a breeze to install. I'm a very happy camper!
And while they're at it, Honda should add heated side mirrors, optional leather seats, an autodimming mirror, digital compass, optional nav, power seats, a donut tire option, 16" wheels, a V6 option.... oh, and keep the MSRP below $23K. I hear you folks. Everybody wants something different, but, if Honda gives it to you, expect to pay for it. There are folks over in other threads who are complaining that the CR-V is too expensive. They don't want the standard equipment.
FWIW, the best selling model in 2000 was the non-ABS CR-V LX. That's probably true of other years, but I only recall 2000's data. A Honda spokesperson has stated that they will provide ABS on the LX models "if there is a demand for it". So get out your pen and paper and send them a letter.
I was wondering if anyone could share his/her CR-V purchasing experience in the Seattle area? I am especially interested in the salesperson's attitude. I walked into a Honda dealership near where I live the other day and heard one sales proclaimed loudly upon a potential customer out on the lot, who was seemingly having some problem with the car he was test driving: "I wouldn't help him. He's from Carpoint. He doesn't know how to buy a car." I walked right out and guess they won't get my business. :-) Also I am interested in how strong/soft they are on princing and what is the waiting period to get the car you like. Thanks in advance.
Developing a V6 engine small enough to fit in the CR-V's engine bay would cost an arm and a leg. Millions, easily.
ABS, on the other hand, comes right off the shelf, and making it standard may save costs via economies of scale and simplified assembly. Development costs are zero.
The point is just about everyone wants ABS. Heated mirrors and leather seats are for a small minority, but not ABS.
So I respectfully disagree. Honda could please (almost) everyone by making ABS standard.
I just ordered (about an hour ago) the rear Cargo Tray and Splash Guards for a 2002 CR-V from Handa-Accessories.com. I just re-checked my confirmation and I got what I wanted. When you click on "Interior" you get all the choices. Clicking on Cargo Mat gets you everything also. It just happens that the floor mats are the first thing that pops up because its alphabetized. Maybe your browser didn't load the whole page.
I never purchased from them before but folks on this forum pointed me in that direction. Seems they have happy customers. I don't expect any problems but I'm an optimist, until proven wrong.
My experience with them has been good. I only ordered from them once, but I received the package in a timely manner, and customer service responce is very fast.
I contacted Handa about roof racks earlier today, and while they have them at a pretty good price (about $175 US), they do not ship to the Great White North (nor Alaska or Hawaii, as it turns out), and they did not know of anyone in Canada in the same business. I also did a search for Honda accessories on the Web and came up empty. Do any Canadians out there know of an on-line Honda parts supplier in Canada?
I now understand how it works...actually I called the dealer and what I want is the cargo tray...buying it at handa is cheaper even when you add shipping and handling.
I don't know where I read it, but I guess I can buy all-season floor mats at Walmart or Kmart...dunno if spending $90 for those items is wise after making a 23K commitment.
Actually, I have the old floor mats from the '98 CR-V. Since I didn't get much for my trade, I decided not to give them to the dealer as an act of last-minute rebelion. Anybody want them?
I have Husky liners in my pick-up. They are not necessarily pretty but they do a great job. They have a pretty large lip on them. I'm not always good at kicking snow off my boots. These things will hold a gallon or more of water before any could possibly leak on the carpet. Expensive but worth it for me(www.huskyliners.com).
Another option is Catch-Alls. They are carpeted all seasons and have a pretty good lip too. You are right, though... for a lot less money Wal-Mart will have something that will work well (or K-Mart or Pep Boys, or Schucks, etc.).
I don't knwo if everyone wants ABS. there are plnety of people out there that would not justify $400 price tag on something you can do your self with a little self dicipline (tapping the brakes rather than "stomp and steer")
as far as getting part online, i spoke with people at HandA, but since they are in CA and I am in NY it would take a week to get the stuff delivered, i chose to order from http://www.hondapartsforyou.com/shipping.html and they are in Danbury CT. the free shipping took one day to get to my house. yes their prices include shipping already, or call it free shipping.
even though they say that they only ship in the us, on the bottom in the disclaimer they mention that if you need an item shipped outside of US to contact them.
no i don't work for them, i just like that they were nice and fast. the fog light switch they sent me was not for the 2001 cr-v, i called them up, they sent me the correct one with no fuss, and told me to keep the old one. i think it may be a fog light switch for the 2002 cr-v
I bet 90% of LX buyers would be willing to pay $400 for ABS.
Honda may lose a few buyers that don't want it, but I bet they lose even more that want ABS but cannot afford an EX model, and instead buy something else entirely.
I'm sure they have, and they figured that they could maximize profits by forcing most consumers to move up to an EX model when what they really wanted was an LX. ;-)
Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate. What the manufacturer wants and what the consumer wants are two different things.
I've done business with both H and A Accessories and Hondapartsforyou. Both provided good service. I've recommended H and A in the past because (in addition to good service) they've sponsored a number of our CR-V events with some very nice doorprizes. Yes, they bought my vote!
The point is just about everyone wants ABS.
There are a great many people refuse to drive cars with ABS. There are others who simply view it as an unnecessary gizmo that is great in some situations and causes problems in others. There's a good volume of research pointing out that it increases stopping distances in wet and snowy conditions. Then there are the people who simply don't want it enough to pay for it. Not everybody loves it.
Regardless, Honda tends to option their trim levels with more than the competition, but not enough to drive up the price. I'm sure they've made mistakes and underestimated the public desire for specific equipment, but the lack of ABS on the base model hasn't hurt sales.
If there's a problem, it's too much standard equipment on the EX model. This makes it more expensive for the buyer who wants ABS to move up to the model that has it.
I agree about the EX, but the result is a huge leap from LX to EX in terms of equipment and price, and I think a few (actually, a lot) of the shoppers are forced to stretch their budget to get a safety feature they want, and end up with extras they don't.
Hi gang. A lurker since November. I bought one of the last 2001 LX models in California (white, auto). I like getting the last production year of the model, since I keep my cars about 10 years, so I'm not worried about the trade-in differential.
Anyway, I wish the LX came with ABS. Almost went with an EX just because of that, but could not justify having to add AWD. That's jump in equipment (and future expenses) that I don't need for the driving I do. Most people don't need it. I'll bet most SUVs never see dirt. But ABS is a good safety feature that, like seatbelts, should be required on every car (IMHO, of course.)
Accessories: Have gotten several orders of goodies from HandA. They are fast and responsive. Even took back the manual floor mats that this bonehead ordered (rather than the automatic). Paid tax and shipping. It's worth it for the service they provide. They will get another order when I get my tax refund. Cheers. Safe Driving. --Brian
It certainly rubs me the wrong way that it's necessary to upgrade to an EX just to get ABS. However... I also think the EX is decently priced considering of all the standard features it has.
Remember, to match ABS, you would need four brake pedals. I guess you'd also have to be an arachnid. ;-)
I prefer the way the Odyssey is equipped, the LX has ABS and traction control standard. Also, consider that the dealer's invoice price is just $22.2k, so that is all that Honda gets for them (the rest is the dealer's).
I may end up with one of those, I just wish Honda would get a better warranty. Maybe when the 2003 Sienna comes out they'll have some competition, and that could happen.
I leased a black Accord EX 5-spd sedan from Honda of Bellevue. Avoid them at all costs. They wanted a $1,500+ mark-up because of the black paint and manual tranny. I told the salesman he was insulting. I stayed through the deal, since I had to report to work the following Monday and didn't have a car (never told him that). Anyway, I had my financial calculator so I could calculate the lease. He started with the "there are 4 boxes BS". Again, I told him he was insulting me. I told him what I'd offer for the car. It took over 4 hours to settle on that very price (remember- I needed a car)!!! They wanted full retail on a load of accessories but I told him to remove every one because I wasn't about to pay for stuff I didn't want. We settled for just above cost for a few mud guards, door guards, and wheelwell guards. Then the financing... the paper in front of me included terms (12k miles/year vs. requested 15k miles, among other MAJOR terms) I clearly objected earlier. At that point I stood up and said I'm walking. A calm, experienced salesman walked over to me and saved the day for the dealer (again- I needed the car). But... he told me they were losing money on my car so I would need to get all service done there! The nerve! The day I picked the car up, I snagged the dealer's maintenace schedule out of the glovebox and tossed it at the salesman, and made sure he understood they would never see me or any friends again. Folks at work have had similar experiences with them. Sorry for the long sotry, but it still annoys me. Weeks later... the jerky salesman kept calling me like he was my best friend, asking that I send all my friends to him to buy a car. You might want to ask people about Klein Honda in Everret and Lynwood Honda. Both received Honda's President Award (unlike Honda of Bellevue, Kirkland, Seattle, or Renton). With any luck, they're more professional. All the best!
Can anybody with a 2002 CRV (especially 4wd, 5speed manual) post what kind of mileage they are getting? Also please indicate whether it's 2wd/4wd or auto/manual transmission. Thanks in advance!
I paid about $23,300 before TTL including all the accesories. It's hard to tell how much below MSRP that is because the accessory prices differ at all dealers. Its slightly below MSRP, but not by much. I was happy that I got the color and accessories I wanted in time for Christmas and this was the best deal I could get. Other dealers wanted ridiculous prices for accessories. Buerkle was close to or below the Honda website prices.
We just purchased a color-matched spare tire cover for our 2000 LX (from H and A...best price we could find). Is there some trick to installing this thing? There were no installation instructions included, and we're having a tough time getting it completely over the tire (yes, we unzipped it). Do you remove the old soft cover first?
Check for hard spare tire installations under products at Hondasuv.com. There are a few listed that give some installation instructions. Here is a link to their main page:
H and A Accessories actually directs people (using a link) to the CR-V IX for installation instructions. They don't have it listed for the color-matched spare cover, but they do for the vinyl and black plastic model. According to Laurie, installation of that cover was a chore.
I'll assume that you got the cover that looks like this:
Yes, remove your old cover! This hard cover is designed to fit snugly on the stock tire (205/70/15). Besides, it would only be one more thing in the way when you need to change a flat anyway.
In case you haven't figured this out on your own, opening the tailgate first makes installing and removing tire covers much easier. So open the tailgate and remove your old cover.
1) Unzip the new cover and orient it so that the small drain hole in the shell is pointing down. 2) Place the cover against the spare tire and gently push on the cover with one hand while working the non-zippable band of vinyl around the bottom of the spare tire.
3) Once the cover fully caps the tire, step back and check that the cover is still oriented correctly. At this point, there's enough "give" in the cover to rotate it a little if necessary.
4) Close the zipper, and mate the Velcro patches to finish.
The snow is getting close to knee high today, but at least it's not Buffalo! Do any of you have comments on how the '02 CRV handles in the snow/ice? Would appreciate any comments.
My dealer is asking $1,250 to put leather in my 2002 EX. I have seen it and it is superior to anything Honda installs for factory leather in any of their car lines. Do you people feel it is worth it?? Do you think I will get anything extra back if I ever sell or trade in the vehicle?
I drove by a white 2002 CR-V this past Tuesday (Christmas). I didn't recognize that it was the 2002 model right away and was able to just take a quick glance. It was white with the body cladding...not sure if it was an LX or EX though.
Anyone else see one with the body cladding? Any preferences...with or without the cladding?
Here is more information for the ongoing discussion of CR-V safety features. I just found a very detailed Honda document setting forth the safety objectives for the 2002 CR-V. You will find this at the Honda Digital Newsroom. Choose CR-V, then Technical, then "2002 Honda CR-V -- Body." There are other detailed documents there too.
The following is a quote from the "CR-V -- Body" document:
"Safety Goals When the engineers and designers created the 2002 CR-V, one of their primary objectives was to obtain a 5-star NCAP rating for frontal impact - the highest rating possible. While the new 2002 CR-V has yet to be tested by the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA), Honda engineers expect it will meet these targets:
* 5-Star NCAP frontal impact rating for driver and passenger * 5-star SINCAP side impact rating for driver and passenger * "Good" IIHS rating for front offset impact * Rear Impact: Exceed all government requirements * Rollover: Exceed all government requirements * Flat and angled barrier: Exceed all government requirements."
Re: post 4636: I posted the CR-V safety goals before adding my comment...
These are very specific predictions by Honda. Although intended for marketing purposes, presumably the company would not be so dogmatic in making these assertions without having duplicated the crash tests in their own facility. Is Honda more specific in making these predictions than other companies, or are these predictions standard marketing now?
Kazoo - You mean, like this stuff? In 2wd form, the CR-V handles rather well. The wide stance, long wheelbase, ground clearance make for predictable handling in the snow. Even when it gets deep.
Opt for the AWD model and it becomes even more capable. RT4WD is a fast-acting system that sends power to the rear wheels when it detects slippage. Its not as good as a full-time system that sends power to the rear wheels all the time, but, in real world driving, RT4WD is perfectly adequate. Drive it like a FWD and youll be fine. The few times that you need power at the rear wheels, itll be there.
Heres a quote from a Car and Driver comparison test done in the snow of Michigan in December, 2000:
We found the CR-V to be sure-footed, even in the deepest snow. It was stable through the deep tracks of others. Full power in the slippery sections was enough to break traction, causing the engine to soar in revs, yet we had good directional control. The tail never tried to pass the front.
Heres a story from the CR-V IX. Speaking of which... Chas is starting to organize another trip to the Allegheny National Forest. I may not be able to make it to this one, but I'll try. Last year's was a whole lotta fun and we all got to take some free stuff home with us. Well worth the 8-9 hour trip for me. Anyone in the PA area should give it some thought.
Sandhurst - I'm sure you've seen me post this before, but... Honda owns the largest indoor testing facility in the industry. They've already run the same tests that the IIHS and NHTSA base their findings on (plus a whole lot of other tests). Here's a good link that describes the facility. So far every claim that Honda has made (Ody, MDX, Civic) has been backed up. Each has earned the ratings that Honda predicted.
Oh well. The problem is not fixed yet. I don't know if I have posted this before or not but second dealer I went to told me that they found a defect in one of the front tires and replaced it under warranty. However, the vibration/shaking problem is still there. I'm getting really frustrated now. I have contacted the second dealer service shop for another appointment, and if things don't improve this time, I'm taking it to the Regional manager.
In the mean time, I'd like to ask the experts in this forum few questions.
1. Does 2001 CR-V have variable power streeing? I'm suspecting the noise from the engine compartment and the vibration/shaking of streering wheel are related.
2. Does anyone experience any noise other than tire noise from rear wheel area?
3. Is there an on-line service manual available for Honda cars? I know some other manufacturers have service manual available to public via websites.
The Honda dealer here in OH claims oil changes for the CR-V are recommended every 10K miles. Is this for real, or should an owner be more cautions and change it more often?
Honda says it "exceeds government requirements" in areas that do not have any government requirements. It's certified as a truck, which do not have to meet car bumper or rollover standards, so those statements quite literally mean nothing. Even the worst performers could make that claim.
Any how, more marketing excess.
Saw one at the DC Auto Show. Two actually, plus an S2000 you could get in (last year it was roped off) and a couple of Odysseys I looked at closely.
First the bad. The carpets are thin and cheap, the headliner is mouse fur, and the vinyl sun visors are JC Whitney quality. Mind you, Subaru and Toyota are guilty of the exact same offenses. In fact I think all three use the same supplier.
The textured plastic on the lower dash felt cheap to me. Shiny, hard, and hollow. The ergonomics took a bit of getting used to, but I like quirky stuff like the hand brake. The cloth on the seats is fine, but the vinyl is cheesy and cheap looking, remind me of a 1986 Excel's seats. I see what some of you guys mean by the tan interior.
Now the good. They cleaned the underside, with an exhaust tucked in neatly now. Doors are more solid, the steering wheels is aimed straight at the driver now, and space is abundant front and rear. Especialy rear. "Wow" sums it up. Best in class easily. Neat that they move forward and fold, too. Tie downs are useful, but get a cargo liner to protect the cheap carpeting.
5 speed stick felt a bit low, but easy to shift, and clutch felt nice and light. Auto shifter was neat. Dead pedal is poorly placed, in fact this is also true of the Odyssey. It should be up and against the firewall, not flat on the ground.
Styling is good. They had a blue one, indeed the best color for it. Looks tall and substantial. Deserves better tires and wheels, and boy is that a huge gaping hole in the wheel well. Two bars protrude through them, so it's not as easy to fix as I thought.
After a close back-to-back look, though, with a pair of Odysseys, I think we'll end up getting the van. But CR-V is very competitive within its class. There is still room for improvement, though.
>>>even gave me a full tank of gas (which should be standard).<<
It IS standard. I'm glad, because every Honda dealer I've purchased from in the past, gave me $5 worth. I've even complained it to Honda about this numerous times. Glad they listened.
I still haven't pulled the trigger on the new V but I'm very close. Owned Accord LX-i 5-speed for 13 years and has over 206K miles. It's finally time for me.
I thought for sure I'd wanna 5-speed again, but after driving both I'm not so sure. The 5-speed revs higher in 5th than the Auto does in 4th. The auto very smooth, surprisingly peppy and it does have the armrest, which is a big to me on highway trips ;-). Has anyone got any opinions on the matter?
Juice - Just because our government may not require the CR-V to pass tests, does not mean that Honda cannot use them as goals. The CR-V is sold in numerous markets and has to meet the regs of all governments with little or no modification.
Upwego - Take it easy there, killer. As the hosts are fond of saying, "attack the issue, not the person".
Rph2 - I currently drive a '99 5speed. Generally, I prefer to go with a manual transmission on any small four cylinder, but having driven two '02 automatics, I wouldn't fuss over the difference. I had the same reaction to it's smooth operation and peppy performance. Personally, I don't care about the armrest, but the quieter ride is a benefit.
Today, the wife & I went to test drive the '02 CRV and two of the largest Honda dealers in Florida (Orlando) were both out of stock completely. The dealership said they are leaving about as fast as they get them. This means I will probably have to wait at least a year until the feverish demand settles down. I don't want a repeat of today - it was a waste of time. It was partly my fault though, as I should have called the dealer in advance.
In response to transmit. I have a 5 speed 4wd LX with side air and have been getting from 23 to 25 mpg on my first few fillups-the 25 was just about all highway the rest are mixed. does anyone know if my mpg will improve when the engine gets broken in and also how many miles that is? also thanks to whoever replied to my timing belt question a couple weeks ago-I found out the CRV has a timing chain which shouldn't ever have to be changed.
For all your contributions to this board. I have found your advice quite helpful.
My other concern with going with the Automatic is reliability. I simply don't know what Honda's record is on Automatic transmissions. I just know less can go wrong with a 5-speed as I still have the original clutch on my 89 LX-i. Is it reasonable to expect 200K miles on an automatic with minimal trouble?
I was very impressed with the CR-V as a whole, and am quite certain I will purchase one soon. I think I paid $16K for the LX-i about 13 years ago, and the 2002 CR-V EX auto, selling under $23K, has more power, more utility, and more features. If this one lasts for the same time period, my 5-year old son will learn to drive on it, which is a scary thought, I must say!
I just picked up my new EX 5 speed today. The only test drive vehicle that my dealership (Krenzen) had was an automatic. I thought the auto was quite good - smooth, peppy, with logical shift points. I settled on the 5 speed though mainly because I like manual transmissions. Although the auto was very good, the degree of control you get with the stick really makes the car fun to drive. I bought it without even trying it first, and am definitely not disappointed.
My wife drives a '93 Accord station wagon with an automatic. We have never had any problems with the tranny.
The manual recommends oil changes every 8000 miles if the car is usually driven in "severe" driving conditions. They include driving less than 5 miles per trip ( 10 miles in freezing temps), hot (over 90 F) conditions, extensive idling, long periods of stop and go, mountain driving, driving with a roof rack, or towing a trailer.
I have been lurking and learning from you all for a year. Thanks for the insight and inspiration.
Today I bought a Silver EX that was available on the lot at Horizon Honda in Roseburg Oregon for MSRP - $400. This dealership had sold another CR-V this morning to someone who drove 7 hours to get the car.
They are not jacking up the prices to $1000 over MSRP like the bigger city dealers (Portland).
I spoke to one prominent Portland dealership yesterday. They do not plan to lower the prices from $1000 over MSRP, as they think that the CR-V will be like the Odyssey (sp?) --in demand for a long time.
It was refreshing to find a dealer in the Northwest that would consider MSRP. I know that lots of you are getting better deals closer to invoice, but $400 less than MSRP sure seemed good to me.
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I'm a very happy camper!
FWIW, the best selling model in 2000 was the non-ABS CR-V LX. That's probably true of other years, but I only recall 2000's data. A Honda spokesperson has stated that they will provide ABS on the LX models "if there is a demand for it". So get out your pen and paper and send them a letter.
I was wondering if anyone could share his/her CR-V purchasing experience in the Seattle area? I am especially interested in the salesperson's attitude. I walked into a Honda dealership near where I live the other day and heard one sales proclaimed loudly upon a potential customer out on the lot, who was seemingly having some problem with the car he was test driving: "I wouldn't help him. He's from Carpoint. He doesn't know how to buy a car." I walked right out and guess they won't get my business. :-) Also I am interested in how strong/soft they are on princing and what is the waiting period to get the car you like. Thanks in advance.
Can anyone tell me if all season floor mats include a mat for the cargo area as well? Could someone share their experience with handa? Are they good?
Sorry to ask this, but I tried sending them an e-mail and calling their toll free # to no avail.
Appreciate your imput.
ABS, on the other hand, comes right off the shelf, and making it standard may save costs via economies of scale and simplified assembly. Development costs are zero.
The point is just about everyone wants ABS. Heated mirrors and leather seats are for a small minority, but not ABS.
So I respectfully disagree. Honda could please (almost) everyone by making ABS standard.
-juice
I never purchased from them before but folks on this forum pointed me in that direction. Seems they have happy customers. I don't expect any problems but I'm an optimist, until proven wrong.
I now understand how it works...actually I called the dealer and what I want is the cargo tray...buying it at handa is cheaper even when you add shipping and handling.
I don't know where I read it, but I guess I can buy all-season floor mats at Walmart or Kmart...dunno if spending $90 for those items is wise after making a 23K commitment.
Actually, I have the old floor mats from the '98 CR-V. Since I didn't get much for my trade, I decided not to give them to the dealer as an act of last-minute rebelion. Anybody want them?
Another option is Catch-Alls. They are carpeted all seasons and have a pretty good lip too. You are right, though... for a lot less money Wal-Mart will have something that will work well (or K-Mart or Pep Boys, or Schucks, etc.).
as far as getting part online, i spoke with people at HandA, but since they are in CA and I am in NY it would take a week to get the stuff delivered, i chose to order from http://www.hondapartsforyou.com/shipping.html and they are in Danbury CT. the free shipping took one day to get to my house. yes their prices include shipping already, or call it free shipping.
even though they say that they only ship in the us, on the bottom in the disclaimer they mention that if you need an item shipped outside of US to contact them.
no i don't work for them, i just like that they were nice and fast. the fog light switch they sent me was not for the 2001 cr-v, i called them up, they sent me the correct one with no fuss, and told me to keep the old one. i think it may be a fog light switch for the 2002 cr-v
Honda may lose a few buyers that don't want it, but I bet they lose even more that want ABS but cannot afford an EX model, and instead buy something else entirely.
-juice
Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate. What the manufacturer wants and what the consumer wants are two different things.
-juice
The point is just about everyone wants ABS.
There are a great many people refuse to drive cars with ABS. There are others who simply view it as an unnecessary gizmo that is great in some situations and causes problems in others. There's a good volume of research pointing out that it increases stopping distances in wet and snowy conditions. Then there are the people who simply don't want it enough to pay for it. Not everybody loves it.
Regardless, Honda tends to option their trim levels with more than the competition, but not enough to drive up the price. I'm sure they've made mistakes and underestimated the public desire for specific equipment, but the lack of ABS on the base model hasn't hurt sales.
If there's a problem, it's too much standard equipment on the EX model. This makes it more expensive for the buyer who wants ABS to move up to the model that has it.
Note that several people have brought this up.
-juice
I bought one of the last 2001 LX models in California (white, auto). I like getting the last production year of the model, since I keep my cars about 10 years, so I'm not worried about the trade-in differential.
Anyway, I wish the LX came with ABS. Almost went with an EX just because of that, but could not justify having to add AWD. That's jump in equipment (and future expenses) that I don't need for the driving I do. Most people don't need it. I'll bet most SUVs never see dirt. But ABS is a good safety feature that, like seatbelts, should be required on every car (IMHO, of course.)
Accessories: Have gotten several orders of goodies from HandA. They are fast and responsive. Even took back the manual floor mats that this bonehead ordered (rather than the automatic). Paid tax and shipping. It's worth it for the service they provide. They will get another order when I get my tax refund.
Cheers. Safe Driving.
--Brian
I prefer the way the Odyssey is equipped, the LX has ABS and traction control standard. Also, consider that the dealer's invoice price is just $22.2k, so that is all that Honda gets for them (the rest is the dealer's).
I may end up with one of those, I just wish Honda would get a better warranty. Maybe when the 2003 Sienna comes out they'll have some competition, and that could happen.
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Find the products link in the upper right hand corner "wheel of links."
Yes, remove your old cover! This hard cover is designed to fit snugly on the stock tire (205/70/15). Besides, it would only be one more thing in the way when you need to change a flat anyway.
In case you haven't figured this out on your own, opening the tailgate first makes installing and removing tire covers much easier. So open the tailgate and remove your old cover.
1) Unzip the new cover and orient it so that the small drain hole in the shell is pointing down. 2) Place the cover against the spare tire and gently push on the cover with one hand while working the non-zippable band of vinyl around the bottom of the spare tire.
3) Once the cover fully caps the tire, step back and check that the cover is still oriented correctly. At this point, there's enough "give" in the cover to rotate it a little if necessary.
4) Close the zipper, and mate the Velcro patches to finish.
Let us know if this helps!
Anyone else see one with the body cladding? Any preferences...with or without the cladding?
The following is a quote from the "CR-V -- Body" document:
"Safety Goals
When the engineers and designers created the 2002 CR-V, one of their primary objectives was to obtain a 5-star NCAP rating for frontal impact - the highest rating possible. While the new 2002 CR-V has yet to be tested by the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA), Honda engineers expect it will meet these targets:
* 5-Star NCAP frontal impact rating for driver and passenger
* 5-star SINCAP side impact rating for driver and passenger
* "Good" IIHS rating for front offset impact
* Rear Impact: Exceed all government requirements
* Rollover: Exceed all government requirements
* Flat and angled barrier: Exceed all government requirements."
These are very specific predictions by Honda. Although intended for marketing purposes, presumably the company would not be so dogmatic in making these assertions without having duplicated the crash tests in their own facility. Is Honda more specific in making these predictions than other companies, or are these predictions standard marketing now?
Bob
Opt for the AWD model and it becomes even more capable. RT4WD is a fast-acting system that sends power to the rear wheels when it detects slippage. Its not as good as a full-time system that sends power to the rear wheels all the time, but, in real world driving, RT4WD is perfectly adequate. Drive it like a FWD and youll be fine. The few times that you need power at the rear wheels, itll be there.
Heres a quote from a Car and Driver comparison test done in the snow of Michigan in December, 2000:
We found the CR-V to be sure-footed, even in the deepest snow. It was stable through the deep tracks of others. Full power in the slippery sections was enough to break traction, causing the engine to soar in revs, yet we had good directional control. The tail never tried to pass the front.
Heres a story from the CR-V IX. Speaking of which... Chas is starting to organize another trip to the Allegheny National Forest. I may not be able to make it to this one, but I'll try. Last year's was a whole lotta fun and we all got to take some free stuff home with us. Well worth the 8-9 hour trip for me. Anyone in the PA area should give it some thought.
Sandhurst - I'm sure you've seen me post this before, but... Honda owns the largest indoor testing facility in the industry. They've already run the same tests that the IIHS and NHTSA base their findings on (plus a whole lot of other tests). Here's a good link that describes the facility. So far every claim that Honda has made (Ody, MDX, Civic) has been backed up. Each has earned the ratings that Honda predicted.
-juice
Oh well. The problem is not fixed yet. I don't know if I have posted this before or not but second dealer I went to told me that they found a defect in one of the front tires and replaced it under warranty. However, the vibration/shaking problem is still there. I'm getting really frustrated now. I have contacted the second dealer service shop for another appointment, and if things don't improve this time, I'm taking it to the Regional manager.
In the mean time, I'd like to ask the experts in this forum few questions.
1. Does 2001 CR-V have variable power streeing? I'm suspecting the noise from the engine compartment and the vibration/shaking of streering wheel are related.
2. Does anyone experience any noise other than tire noise from rear wheel area?
3. Is there an on-line service manual available for Honda cars? I know some other manufacturers have service manual available to public via websites.
Later,
Any how, more marketing excess.
Saw one at the DC Auto Show. Two actually, plus an S2000 you could get in (last year it was roped off) and a couple of Odysseys I looked at closely.
First the bad. The carpets are thin and cheap, the headliner is mouse fur, and the vinyl sun visors are JC Whitney quality. Mind you, Subaru and Toyota are guilty of the exact same offenses. In fact I think all three use the same supplier.
The textured plastic on the lower dash felt cheap to me. Shiny, hard, and hollow. The ergonomics took a bit of getting used to, but I like quirky stuff like the hand brake. The cloth on the seats is fine, but the vinyl is cheesy and cheap looking, remind me of a 1986 Excel's seats. I see what some of you guys mean by the tan interior.
Now the good. They cleaned the underside, with an exhaust tucked in neatly now. Doors are more solid, the steering wheels is aimed straight at the driver now, and space is abundant front and rear. Especialy rear. "Wow" sums it up. Best in class easily. Neat that they move forward and fold, too. Tie downs are useful, but get a cargo liner to protect the cheap carpeting.
5 speed stick felt a bit low, but easy to shift, and clutch felt nice and light. Auto shifter was neat. Dead pedal is poorly placed, in fact this is also true of the Odyssey. It should be up and against the firewall, not flat on the ground.
Styling is good. They had a blue one, indeed the best color for it. Looks tall and substantial. Deserves better tires and wheels, and boy is that a huge gaping hole in the wheel well. Two bars protrude through them, so it's not as easy to fix as I thought.
After a close back-to-back look, though, with a pair of Odysseys, I think we'll end up getting the van. But CR-V is very competitive within its class. There is still room for improvement, though.
-juice
It IS standard. I'm glad, because every Honda dealer I've purchased from in the past, gave me $5 worth. I've even complained it to Honda about this numerous times. Glad they listened.
I thought for sure I'd wanna 5-speed again, but after driving both I'm not so sure. The 5-speed revs higher in 5th than the Auto does in 4th. The auto very smooth, surprisingly peppy and it does have the armrest, which is a big to me on highway trips ;-). Has anyone got any opinions on the matter?
Upwego - Take it easy there, killer. As the hosts are fond of saying, "attack the issue, not the person".
Rph2 - I currently drive a '99 5speed. Generally, I prefer to go with a manual transmission on any small four cylinder, but having driven two '02 automatics, I wouldn't fuss over the difference. I had the same reaction to it's smooth operation and peppy performance. Personally, I don't care about the armrest, but the quieter ride is a benefit.
Oh... They take regular 87 octane.
Bob
I purchased a 2001 CRV LX back in June of this year. Is anti-freeze already in the car? If not, what brand and quantity would you recommend?
thanks,
George
My other concern with going with the Automatic is reliability. I simply don't know what Honda's record is on Automatic transmissions. I just know less can go wrong with a 5-speed as I still have the original clutch on my 89 LX-i. Is it reasonable to expect 200K miles on an automatic with minimal trouble?
I was very impressed with the CR-V as a whole, and am quite certain I will purchase one soon. I think I paid $16K for the LX-i about 13 years ago, and the 2002 CR-V EX auto, selling under $23K, has more power, more utility, and more features. If this one lasts for the same time period, my 5-year old son will learn to drive on it, which is a scary thought, I must say!
I just picked up my new EX 5 speed today. The only test drive vehicle that my dealership (Krenzen) had was an automatic. I thought the auto was quite good - smooth, peppy, with logical shift points. I settled on the 5 speed though mainly because I like manual transmissions. Although the auto was very good, the degree of control you get with the stick really makes the car fun to drive. I bought it without even trying it first, and am definitely not disappointed.
My wife drives a '93 Accord station wagon with an automatic. We have never had any problems with the tranny.
The manual recommends oil changes every 8000 miles if the car is usually driven in "severe" driving conditions. They include driving less than 5 miles per trip ( 10 miles in freezing temps), hot (over 90 F) conditions, extensive idling, long periods of stop and go, mountain driving, driving with a roof rack, or towing a trailer.
Happy shopping!
Today I bought a Silver EX that was available on the lot at Horizon Honda in Roseburg Oregon for MSRP - $400. This dealership had sold another CR-V this morning to someone who drove 7 hours to get the car.
They are not jacking up the prices to $1000 over MSRP like the bigger city dealers (Portland).
I spoke to one prominent Portland dealership yesterday. They do not plan to lower the prices from $1000 over MSRP, as they think that the CR-V will be like the Odyssey (sp?) --in demand for a long time.
It was refreshing to find a dealer in the Northwest that would consider MSRP. I know that lots of you are getting better deals closer to invoice, but $400 less than MSRP sure seemed good to me.