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I'm a very happy camper!
FWIW, the best selling model in 2000 was the non-ABS CR-V LX. That's probably true of other years, but I only recall 2000's data. A Honda spokesperson has stated that they will provide ABS on the LX models "if there is a demand for it". So get out your pen and paper and send them a letter.
I was wondering if anyone could share his/her CR-V purchasing experience in the Seattle area? I am especially interested in the salesperson's attitude. I walked into a Honda dealership near where I live the other day and heard one sales proclaimed loudly upon a potential customer out on the lot, who was seemingly having some problem with the car he was test driving: "I wouldn't help him. He's from Carpoint. He doesn't know how to buy a car." I walked right out and guess they won't get my business. :-) Also I am interested in how strong/soft they are on princing and what is the waiting period to get the car you like. Thanks in advance.
Can anyone tell me if all season floor mats include a mat for the cargo area as well? Could someone share their experience with handa? Are they good?
Sorry to ask this, but I tried sending them an e-mail and calling their toll free # to no avail.
Appreciate your imput.
ABS, on the other hand, comes right off the shelf, and making it standard may save costs via economies of scale and simplified assembly. Development costs are zero.
The point is just about everyone wants ABS. Heated mirrors and leather seats are for a small minority, but not ABS.
So I respectfully disagree. Honda could please (almost) everyone by making ABS standard.
-juice
I never purchased from them before but folks on this forum pointed me in that direction. Seems they have happy customers. I don't expect any problems but I'm an optimist, until proven wrong.
I now understand how it works...actually I called the dealer and what I want is the cargo tray...buying it at handa is cheaper even when you add shipping and handling.
I don't know where I read it, but I guess I can buy all-season floor mats at Walmart or Kmart...dunno if spending $90 for those items is wise after making a 23K commitment.
Actually, I have the old floor mats from the '98 CR-V. Since I didn't get much for my trade, I decided not to give them to the dealer as an act of last-minute rebelion. Anybody want them?
Another option is Catch-Alls. They are carpeted all seasons and have a pretty good lip too. You are right, though... for a lot less money Wal-Mart will have something that will work well (or K-Mart or Pep Boys, or Schucks, etc.).
as far as getting part online, i spoke with people at HandA, but since they are in CA and I am in NY it would take a week to get the stuff delivered, i chose to order from http://www.hondapartsforyou.com/shipping.html and they are in Danbury CT. the free shipping took one day to get to my house. yes their prices include shipping already, or call it free shipping.
even though they say that they only ship in the us, on the bottom in the disclaimer they mention that if you need an item shipped outside of US to contact them.
no i don't work for them, i just like that they were nice and fast. the fog light switch they sent me was not for the 2001 cr-v, i called them up, they sent me the correct one with no fuss, and told me to keep the old one. i think it may be a fog light switch for the 2002 cr-v
Honda may lose a few buyers that don't want it, but I bet they lose even more that want ABS but cannot afford an EX model, and instead buy something else entirely.
-juice
Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate. What the manufacturer wants and what the consumer wants are two different things.
-juice
The point is just about everyone wants ABS.
There are a great many people refuse to drive cars with ABS. There are others who simply view it as an unnecessary gizmo that is great in some situations and causes problems in others. There's a good volume of research pointing out that it increases stopping distances in wet and snowy conditions. Then there are the people who simply don't want it enough to pay for it. Not everybody loves it.
Regardless, Honda tends to option their trim levels with more than the competition, but not enough to drive up the price. I'm sure they've made mistakes and underestimated the public desire for specific equipment, but the lack of ABS on the base model hasn't hurt sales.
If there's a problem, it's too much standard equipment on the EX model. This makes it more expensive for the buyer who wants ABS to move up to the model that has it.
Note that several people have brought this up.
-juice
I bought one of the last 2001 LX models in California (white, auto). I like getting the last production year of the model, since I keep my cars about 10 years, so I'm not worried about the trade-in differential.
Anyway, I wish the LX came with ABS. Almost went with an EX just because of that, but could not justify having to add AWD. That's jump in equipment (and future expenses) that I don't need for the driving I do. Most people don't need it. I'll bet most SUVs never see dirt. But ABS is a good safety feature that, like seatbelts, should be required on every car (IMHO, of course.)
Accessories: Have gotten several orders of goodies from HandA. They are fast and responsive. Even took back the manual floor mats that this bonehead ordered (rather than the automatic). Paid tax and shipping. It's worth it for the service they provide. They will get another order when I get my tax refund.
Cheers. Safe Driving.
--Brian
I prefer the way the Odyssey is equipped, the LX has ABS and traction control standard. Also, consider that the dealer's invoice price is just $22.2k, so that is all that Honda gets for them (the rest is the dealer's).
I may end up with one of those, I just wish Honda would get a better warranty. Maybe when the 2003 Sienna comes out they'll have some competition, and that could happen.
-juice
-juice
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http://www.hondasuv.com/
Find the products link in the upper right hand corner "wheel of links."
Yes, remove your old cover! This hard cover is designed to fit snugly on the stock tire (205/70/15). Besides, it would only be one more thing in the way when you need to change a flat anyway.
In case you haven't figured this out on your own, opening the tailgate first makes installing and removing tire covers much easier. So open the tailgate and remove your old cover.
1) Unzip the new cover and orient it so that the small drain hole in the shell is pointing down. 2) Place the cover against the spare tire and gently push on the cover with one hand while working the non-zippable band of vinyl around the bottom of the spare tire.
3) Once the cover fully caps the tire, step back and check that the cover is still oriented correctly. At this point, there's enough "give" in the cover to rotate it a little if necessary.
4) Close the zipper, and mate the Velcro patches to finish.
Let us know if this helps!
Anyone else see one with the body cladding? Any preferences...with or without the cladding?
The following is a quote from the "CR-V -- Body" document:
"Safety Goals
When the engineers and designers created the 2002 CR-V, one of their primary objectives was to obtain a 5-star NCAP rating for frontal impact - the highest rating possible. While the new 2002 CR-V has yet to be tested by the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA), Honda engineers expect it will meet these targets:
* 5-Star NCAP frontal impact rating for driver and passenger
* 5-star SINCAP side impact rating for driver and passenger
* "Good" IIHS rating for front offset impact
* Rear Impact: Exceed all government requirements
* Rollover: Exceed all government requirements
* Flat and angled barrier: Exceed all government requirements."
These are very specific predictions by Honda. Although intended for marketing purposes, presumably the company would not be so dogmatic in making these assertions without having duplicated the crash tests in their own facility. Is Honda more specific in making these predictions than other companies, or are these predictions standard marketing now?
Bob
Opt for the AWD model and it becomes even more capable. RT4WD is a fast-acting system that sends power to the rear wheels when it detects slippage. Its not as good as a full-time system that sends power to the rear wheels all the time, but, in real world driving, RT4WD is perfectly adequate. Drive it like a FWD and youll be fine. The few times that you need power at the rear wheels, itll be there.
Heres a quote from a Car and Driver comparison test done in the snow of Michigan in December, 2000:
We found the CR-V to be sure-footed, even in the deepest snow. It was stable through the deep tracks of others. Full power in the slippery sections was enough to break traction, causing the engine to soar in revs, yet we had good directional control. The tail never tried to pass the front.
Heres a story from the CR-V IX. Speaking of which... Chas is starting to organize another trip to the Allegheny National Forest. I may not be able to make it to this one, but I'll try. Last year's was a whole lotta fun and we all got to take some free stuff home with us. Well worth the 8-9 hour trip for me. Anyone in the PA area should give it some thought.
Sandhurst - I'm sure you've seen me post this before, but... Honda owns the largest indoor testing facility in the industry. They've already run the same tests that the IIHS and NHTSA base their findings on (plus a whole lot of other tests). Here's a good link that describes the facility. So far every claim that Honda has made (Ody, MDX, Civic) has been backed up. Each has earned the ratings that Honda predicted.
-juice
Oh well. The problem is not fixed yet. I don't know if I have posted this before or not but second dealer I went to told me that they found a defect in one of the front tires and replaced it under warranty. However, the vibration/shaking problem is still there. I'm getting really frustrated now. I have contacted the second dealer service shop for another appointment, and if things don't improve this time, I'm taking it to the Regional manager.
In the mean time, I'd like to ask the experts in this forum few questions.
1. Does 2001 CR-V have variable power streeing? I'm suspecting the noise from the engine compartment and the vibration/shaking of streering wheel are related.
2. Does anyone experience any noise other than tire noise from rear wheel area?
3. Is there an on-line service manual available for Honda cars? I know some other manufacturers have service manual available to public via websites.
Later,
Any how, more marketing excess.
Saw one at the DC Auto Show. Two actually, plus an S2000 you could get in (last year it was roped off) and a couple of Odysseys I looked at closely.
First the bad. The carpets are thin and cheap, the headliner is mouse fur, and the vinyl sun visors are JC Whitney quality. Mind you, Subaru and Toyota are guilty of the exact same offenses. In fact I think all three use the same supplier.
The textured plastic on the lower dash felt cheap to me. Shiny, hard, and hollow. The ergonomics took a bit of getting used to, but I like quirky stuff like the hand brake. The cloth on the seats is fine, but the vinyl is cheesy and cheap looking, remind me of a 1986 Excel's seats. I see what some of you guys mean by the tan interior.
Now the good. They cleaned the underside, with an exhaust tucked in neatly now. Doors are more solid, the steering wheels is aimed straight at the driver now, and space is abundant front and rear. Especialy rear. "Wow" sums it up. Best in class easily. Neat that they move forward and fold, too. Tie downs are useful, but get a cargo liner to protect the cheap carpeting.
5 speed stick felt a bit low, but easy to shift, and clutch felt nice and light. Auto shifter was neat. Dead pedal is poorly placed, in fact this is also true of the Odyssey. It should be up and against the firewall, not flat on the ground.
Styling is good. They had a blue one, indeed the best color for it. Looks tall and substantial. Deserves better tires and wheels, and boy is that a huge gaping hole in the wheel well. Two bars protrude through them, so it's not as easy to fix as I thought.
After a close back-to-back look, though, with a pair of Odysseys, I think we'll end up getting the van. But CR-V is very competitive within its class. There is still room for improvement, though.
-juice
It IS standard. I'm glad, because every Honda dealer I've purchased from in the past, gave me $5 worth. I've even complained it to Honda about this numerous times. Glad they listened.
I thought for sure I'd wanna 5-speed again, but after driving both I'm not so sure. The 5-speed revs higher in 5th than the Auto does in 4th. The auto very smooth, surprisingly peppy and it does have the armrest, which is a big to me on highway trips ;-). Has anyone got any opinions on the matter?
Upwego - Take it easy there, killer. As the hosts are fond of saying, "attack the issue, not the person".
Rph2 - I currently drive a '99 5speed. Generally, I prefer to go with a manual transmission on any small four cylinder, but having driven two '02 automatics, I wouldn't fuss over the difference. I had the same reaction to it's smooth operation and peppy performance. Personally, I don't care about the armrest, but the quieter ride is a benefit.
Oh... They take regular 87 octane.
Bob
I purchased a 2001 CRV LX back in June of this year. Is anti-freeze already in the car? If not, what brand and quantity would you recommend?
thanks,
George
My other concern with going with the Automatic is reliability. I simply don't know what Honda's record is on Automatic transmissions. I just know less can go wrong with a 5-speed as I still have the original clutch on my 89 LX-i. Is it reasonable to expect 200K miles on an automatic with minimal trouble?
I was very impressed with the CR-V as a whole, and am quite certain I will purchase one soon. I think I paid $16K for the LX-i about 13 years ago, and the 2002 CR-V EX auto, selling under $23K, has more power, more utility, and more features. If this one lasts for the same time period, my 5-year old son will learn to drive on it, which is a scary thought, I must say!
I just picked up my new EX 5 speed today. The only test drive vehicle that my dealership (Krenzen) had was an automatic. I thought the auto was quite good - smooth, peppy, with logical shift points. I settled on the 5 speed though mainly because I like manual transmissions. Although the auto was very good, the degree of control you get with the stick really makes the car fun to drive. I bought it without even trying it first, and am definitely not disappointed.
My wife drives a '93 Accord station wagon with an automatic. We have never had any problems with the tranny.
The manual recommends oil changes every 8000 miles if the car is usually driven in "severe" driving conditions. They include driving less than 5 miles per trip ( 10 miles in freezing temps), hot (over 90 F) conditions, extensive idling, long periods of stop and go, mountain driving, driving with a roof rack, or towing a trailer.
Happy shopping!
Today I bought a Silver EX that was available on the lot at Horizon Honda in Roseburg Oregon for MSRP - $400. This dealership had sold another CR-V this morning to someone who drove 7 hours to get the car.
They are not jacking up the prices to $1000 over MSRP like the bigger city dealers (Portland).
I spoke to one prominent Portland dealership yesterday. They do not plan to lower the prices from $1000 over MSRP, as they think that the CR-V will be like the Odyssey (sp?) --in demand for a long time.
It was refreshing to find a dealer in the Northwest that would consider MSRP. I know that lots of you are getting better deals closer to invoice, but $400 less than MSRP sure seemed good to me.