Travel - How will you get there and how much will it cost? Only you can answer if it is worth it.
Registration - This and sales tax will be handled in your home state/county. The selling dealer should be able to arrange for you a temporary plate which will get you home. If not, your state's law will guide you. Some states allow you to use your existing plate for X days to allow you time to transfer the registration. If not, you should set up the registration in your home state before you go. In either of these cases, you take your plate with you.
Service - The local dealer may give preference to people who buy there but cannot deny you warranty service. What would people do when they move?? They can (and sounds like they will) make it miserable for you to get service done. But at least they are being honest and telling you upfront they will treat you poorly in the future.
For what it is worth, I initally disliked the looks of 02 CRV. However over time it has steadily become more attartive to me and now I like it a lot. The CRV is akin to a Julia Roberts whereby the Rav is akin to Brittney Spears. CRV has much more class and seriously the more I see it the better I like it.
Hannah10 - Too funny. I'd love to see their reactions to such a comment.
Altoon - So far we have limited data to work with, but I've seen 0-60 times of 8.4, 8.5, and 8.8. The first two were for a 5 speed, but I dunno which tranny was used for the 8.8 time. I've also seen 9.8 or 9.9 seconds for a 0-100 kmph (0-62 mph) in an Australian publication. Again, it's not clear which transmission was used in that test and it's hard to compare with the extra two miles per hours over an American test.
Wow! Any of those times are pretty amazing. In the Edmunds 2001 mini Suv comparison the best time turned in was for the Escape - 9.2. All but the Xterra were over 10. I would like to see an official comparison. It might put to rest all those complaints about the lack of a 6 cylinder.
The '02 V was not my first choice in the looks department, but Hannah10 is right. The look grows on you. When I compared the total package to all the other mini utes it started looking even better.
I am buying from an out-of-state dealer too. I was supposed to pick up my car last Saturday, but propose to this Saturday due to personal reason. The dealer is Mark Roberts in Okla. So far the experience is great. Like you, our local dealers here want MSRP. Buying at Mark Roberts saves me $1300. It is an 4.5hrs drive for me, so the decision is a no brainer. In your case, check to see whether you can get any references on buying out-of-state from that dealer. Share the name of that dealer here, maybe someone here can share his/her experience. Consider the following: Do you mind driving 16 hours back to back? Remember you need to find someone to drive with you too. Is the dealer close to an airport and would they arrange pick up from airport? Cost to fly out there? Check all airlines for bargain. Ditto to robr2, check with your locat title registration office. Do you have to buy the CR-V now? If you can wait several more months, dealers are more willing to negotiate then. Have you tried sending email to all dealers around your area(See earlier posts)? It is your call whether it is worth it or not. How do you pay for your car? Arrange financing ahead fo time and check for lowest rate locally and on internet (www.peoplefirst.com). That could save you a bundle too. Good luck on your car shopping.
The times in that Edmunds comparison are all a little bit high. For example, the Escape typically runs to 60 mph in the mid 8 second range. Probably just due to testing conditions or the guy they had driving. It happens with all the mags. This is why we try not to compare numbers from one test with another.
Overall, I'd *guess* that the 5 speed '02 CR-V will sprint to 60 mph in 8.5 to 9 seconds. The automatic will probably run in the 9 to 10 second range.
I suspect that the VUE may be the buggy to beat. I've been reading positive things about their V6. Mated to the 5 speed automatic it should be pretty quick. The only test I've read about placed it in the low 8's. Not too shabby for it's first time on the track. If they stick with the same platform, the next generation Forester should also be quite speedy.
I should point out that, although I follow this stuff pretty closely, I could care less about driving an SUV like a sportscar. I'd rather see decent mpg, low emissions, and the ability to haul a decent amount of cargo. I'm simply a veteran of the times when this thread was filled with, "the CR-V can't get out of its own way", postings.
The dealer nearest my home only has a standard shift CR-V to drive. My wife does not know how to drive a standard, so we have been waiting for an automatic to come in. Getting tired of waiting, we called a Honda dealer in York, PA. Here is the policy at that dealership: To test drive an automatic CR-V, you have to make a $500 deposit that gives you right of first refusal when it comes in. As long as demand exceeds supply, the only people who will test drive the CR-V will be the people who put down the deposit.
Has anyone ever heard of this before? I naively thought that dealers designated a vehicle as a demonstrator so that all interested parties could drive it _before_ putting down a deposit!
That is a good review. The performance numbers are interesting. I'm like you varmit - not looking for a sports car, but nearly every review has made a big deal out of the fact that the '02 CRV doesn't come in a 6 cylinder. Looks like Honda has managed to provide both performance and efficiency.
Sandhurst - I am waiting down here in Texas for a 5 speed and am told they are much harder to come by - go figure. You know a car is in short supply when they require a deposit for a test drive. Never heard of that.
Don't know the time but when I floor it off the lights I'm pushed firmly into the back of my seat (I have an automatic). I have to hold on to the steering wheel tightly when I do that because it does have a bit of torque steer. Why are 0-60 times so important? It's not a racing car! As far as I'm concerned this new engine has a tremendous amount of power and outperforms many V6's. That's what Honda is all about - engines. Their engines are smaller than the competition but Honda knows how to use every bit of power in there. The other guys don't.
Since new my '02 V has made a 'thunk' noise every time you apply the brakes for the first time...
Say, I come out of the garage, put the car in D, drive 150 feet and have to come to a stop before turning onto another street. As I'm braking there is the 'thunk' that seems to come from somewhere in the front of the car. This happens when braking and going forward, and sometimes when braking and backing up. Once I heard the 'thunk' it usually goes away until I have parked the car(P) again.
Has anybody experienced the same thing? Is this a characteristic of the car? Should I have the dealer inspected?
Edmunds just did a "First Drive" with the CR-V. They are very impressed with the vehicle. I believe their 0-60 time with a manual is mid 8 seconds. So most likely mid 9 with an automatic. They really enjoyed the engine calling it the model of refinement in the mini ute segment.
sandhurst: Yes that is odd that you need a $500 deposit esp. in that area. I know the dealership you are referring to. Does it happen to be on Route 74 (Queen St.) right by Route 83? My guess is they only have the one and they want to keep it on the lot as much as possible until someone wants to buy it. If you are really, really, really interested in purchasing one, then pony up the deposit and test drive it. or if you are in the Lancaster or Harrisburg (Faulkner on Paxton Street) areas, I know they have Honda dealerships. If you're not serious about buying a CR-V, then you'll have to wait. It sucks when a vehicle is popular and supply is low.
to isellhondas: But what is the definition of 'nice' Honda,and you can guarantee it will differ between seller and dealer. How much work really goes into those 'beat up' vehicles before selling,and will the dealer then discount that vehicle when he sells. I wouldn't think so. My guess is that most dealers want to win at both ends of the deal as much as they can. to spyponder: What I meant was that IMO,Honda will 'massage' their inventory and orders to always keep demand up. By not keeping an inventory even when they could have one,the illussion of high demand and "there are just none available" and "I can't keep them on my lot" will be there,thus always being able to charge full sticker. The only way the buyer wins is if the MFG. forces the dealers to take more vehicles even if they have not pre-sold them yet. This may happen in about a year with the CRV and maybe the ODY. BTW,the buyers of those used ODY's at full MSRP may be in for a rude awakening later when the market makes a 'correction' to their value,which is inevitable. This bubble will burst,the only unknown is when.
Sandhurst - I am no longer surprized by anything I read concerning dealerships. I have heard of dealers requiring a deposit before a test drive. When I test drove a Mitsu Eclypse, they asked me for one. They were in the middle of the sentence when I got up and headed for the door (I needed to get to the Audi dealership before it closed). They stopped me and I got my test drive, but I know that others have let customers walk.
Speaking of dealerships... Last night I got a call from one where I test drove the '02 CR-V. Very nice call, even though I don't like be harrassed. I told the salesperson that I'm waiting on the Honda Pilot. "The what?" I had to explain to her what the vehicle was. I directed her to the CR-V IX and to the Edmunds coverage of the auto show.
I now have two career choices in front of me; an internet sales manager at a dealership or the Honda Geek for the game show Beat the Geeks.
Rburnard - Yep, speed is about more than just engine displacement and power. It seems that Honda tends to get the same performance from their cars with 10% less displacement and 10% better fuel efficiency. Others manufacturers typically have a few cars that can do the same, but Honda seems to make it happen with just about all their cars.
We don't allow test drives on S-2000's for the obvious reasons. We do tell the serious buyers that they can buy it, drive it for an hour and bring it back if they don't like it.
So far, no returns.
The serious buyers never have a problem but this does tick the joyriders and wannabees off sometimes!
i have bought both of my new cars out of state, and the dealership always arranged for the registration in my home state. you will have to pay your local tax. this sucked, because where i bought the car the sales tax is 6% and my tax is 8.25%. never had a problem having my car serviced at any honda dealership. I usually get my maintenance done at one or two shops, depending whether i can make a weekend appointment, and have the warranty work done at one near work (only once in my 99 civic) never a quaestion asked. this is another revenue for the dealership, whether you pay for maintenance or have warranty work done (honda has to pay the dealer for the work performed, they are not doing it for free!!!) I have heard about depostis on S2000 test drives, it hink that way a dealer can weed out, like said before, joyriders and other non-commited customers.
Occasionally I go to a dealership to look at a vehicle even if I'm certain I won't be buying. If that's the case, I'll decline the salesperson's offer of a test drive, and say that I'm just looking. Only testdrives in the last few years were a Toyota Tundra and an MDX, but then decided to keep the '93 Camry instead.
At the dealerships I do visit, occasionally I meet a salesperson who is friendly and helpful without being pushy. (The two who come to mind both left their dealerships not long after I started talking with them). Some others are pushy, and know less about the vehicle than I do. Once in awhile, I am ignored completely. (Speaking of ignored, here's my worst dealer experience ever story: My wife and I were looking at the Mazda Tribute shortly after it came out. No interest in taking a test drive, just a quick stop on the way to Coors Field. There was one open on the lot, so we were checking out the interior, exterior, etc. A salesman came out, said "Excuse me" to get me out of the driver door as I was leaning in looking at something, and hung a "Sold" tag on the mirror. Not another word).
If you have a decent amount of traffic in your dealership, i.e., enough potential buyers so you're not waiting for the next one to drive up, how do you decide which prospect is most likely to be worth your time?
i drove to work this morning and was really speeding (90 and up) and weaving in and out of traffic alot. when stoped in the parking lot i had to get something out of the cargo area and i noticed very strong burnt oil smell, as if some oil was spille don th ehot exhaust pipe. i checked under the car and there was no leaks or drips. It only smelled in the back, nothing in the front. Is that the rear differential? i don't think it is supposed to smell like that. it is a 2001 cr-c se with only 13 000 miles. Any comments? p.s. someone on the 2002 board on www.hondasuv.com mentioned that as one of the big problems they had with their cr-v
Yes, you have the right location for the York, PA dealership that wants the $500 deposit to test drive a CR-V. We may well buy a CR-V in April or May, but we're not putting down a deposit for a test-drive now. Eventually there will be an automatic CR-V at our hometown dealer that my wife can drive without having to pay.
varmit - You have perceptively identified your career choices! It does seem that you know a great deal about Hondas. The question is how to make money from this.?
Knowing something about cars and selling them are two completely different animals. I think it would be more fiscally responsible for me to accept my status as a geek and run with it.
Steve: Highlander is also being considered, but a well equipped one will cost me $30k, and that's for 5 seats. That's pushing the price limit for what it offers. I can get an LL Bean Outback for several grand less.
The Pilot will seat 7, and it looks like it'll carry some cargo even with the 3rd seat in place. I'm sure the price will be over $30k with heated leather and a moonroof, though. Odyssey is close to $29k the way I'd want it, so Pilot should be about $2 grand more or so.
Honda and Subaru manage 0-60 times better than many of the V6s because they are light; fuel efficiency is a side bonus. Also, most V6 competitors do not offer a manual tranny.
This is the second time Edmunds mentioned 02V resembling some Japanese cartoon character. Anyone care to guess what it is...
Crvic...My 02 does that a lot when its cold , especially during the first 500 miles. I no longer notice it. Perhaps the new brake needs break in time. My 10 year old Toyota still does it from time to time (when cold). I think its just how disk brake works.
There might be a connection with the cold. I live in Wisconsin, so that might explain it. Now that you mention it the 'thunk' is mainly when it's cold out (10s-0)...
If you do a special order to avoid all the ussual Toyota options and costs, and are willing to wait the 4 months for it to get here, one can get a Highlander with AWD (FT 50-50 front rear split) and a V6 for around 26 to 27K, depending on what options you order. Only problem is....no option for a manual tranny, and no 3rd row seating.
jokes aside, it did not answer my question. besides there is nothing wrong with going 90, i was there with a company, a 325 bimmer and lexus is300. what are the chances of a cop picking me out of the midlle and not the bimmer infront or the lexy behind me. as far as sticking with posted speed limits, people can get shot for tieing up the traffic in rush hour. anything below 70 will get you beeped at, high beamed, hand gestured, and/or tailgated and cut off with mandatory brake slam in front of you. I hate to say it, but i have to play by the rules of the rush hour game. and people who stick with the speed limit shoud be driving between 10 am and 4 pm to let other people get to where they are going. i don;t want to start a new discussion, but speed limits in this country are ridiculous. if they government really wanted to save lives, they would have to start educating drivers and not imposing limits that are picked from the ceiling. speed does not kill, stupid people do. but anyway, what's up with the smell?
I dunno, but I've always thought the Sante Fe looked like an angry Pikachu. ;-)
Les: I know, but the wife wants it relatively loaded. Her current car has leather, V6, ABS, and alloys, so match that and add AWD and VSC to the Highlander and you're basically hitting $30k.
In reality we're probably going to keep her car a little longer, at least until we can see the next Forester, and now the G35 has really sparked my interest. One rumor has the price staring at $27k, we'll see.
I have a 99 CRV which also made a strange noise after you first apply the brakes. I took it to the dealer and they simply cleaned and adjusted the pads and rotors....No more noise. However mine is 3 years old... If you have an '02 with relatively low miles, it shouldn't be making that noise. Warranty should cover???
My wife and I just picked up our 2002 LX 2 days ago. We drove it around all night. After parking it I immediately noticed a weird burning smell emanating from the back as I was unloading groceries. That was 2 days ago. Haven't noticed the smell since. Has 120 miles on it.
As for speeding, there is just something about Hondas from my experience: they just don't like to go slow. When we picked up the CRV my wife (usually a 9-mph-over driver) was darting in and out of traffic as she drove the CR-V home, doing 95+. I notice when I drive the CR-V that it definitely does not have a problem with power. Very peppy. It stops a little slower too. It wants to GO, that's for sure.
Oh, and a word to anyone even considering a VUE. I had a Saturn before my Civic. I loved it, up until 88k because that's when the engine blew. I'm friends with the head mechanic at one of the local dealerships where I live. When I told him about my Saturn he said, and I quote, "It's about time. Saturns are only made to last 80,000 miles." That was all I needed to hear to never even consider a Saturn again...
And I quote, "Speed doesn't kill, stupid people do."
I do not think an individual driving 90+MPH (while weaving in and out of traffic) is merely stupid, but rather someone with a death wish, who is dangerous!!!
ANYONE clocked at those speeds should have their keys, license and vehicle taken from them, in that order,on the spot!!!
Here's an "educational" tip. You are delusional if you think you or any other driver has control of his/her car at that speed, in the predictable and common event of road hazzards.
Hmmmm...he must be from the land of 50-60 chain reaction car pile ups. Gee I wonder how that happens?
Were you braking a lot while you were weaving in and out of traffic? Are you sure it smelled like burnt oil, and maybe not brake or clutch lining?
There are only two places where oil or grease are used in the rear end of a CR-V: the differential and the wheel bearings. If you're sure it's a burned oil smell and it's only coming from the rear, then it has to be one of these.
If your less sure about it being burnt oil, then you may want to check your brakes. If the smell is really heavy and you weren't hitting the brakes hard and/or often, one of your drum brakes could be sticking and causing friction. The clutch is also another possibility if you like to slip your clutch a little while shifting.
On another subject, you may want to blame the law-abiders less for your commuter woes and start looking more conspiculously at those who are speeding excessively and trying to kill those who don't.
Speed does kill. So do "stupid" drivers. Looks like your commuter area has wisely combined both.
Burning smell - Honda is using new materials in some of their emissions equipment. I think it's called "peroskovite" or something like that. I'll have to look it up and post later. It's supposed to be cheaper and run hotter than the usual materials. I've been trying to find out if it's used in the new CR-V. I believe it was introduced on the Honda Stream.
Juice - An angry Pikachu? I thought I was bad mispelling it "Satan Fe".
Tom Elliot of Amercain Honda has remarked that prices for the Pilot should run between 25-30K. The top model offering leather and DVD or NAV (not both). There's more info in the dedicated thread or at the CR-V IX.
Come on folks, there's a big difference between keeping up with the rush hour traffic flow, and driving 90+ mph, "darting in and out of traffic"..
Heck, in my neck of the woods, the freeways are so congested during rush hours that you are lucky if you can do the speed limit, never mind 90+. And in a CR-V, or just about any sport-utility vehicle, IMO, driving 90+ on any but the least congested freeway is plain foolish. Good luck if someone cuts you off and you have to make an emergency maneuver.
[gets down off soap box]
Dudka, no idea what that burning smell might be. I remember an acrid smell from most of my cars when they were being broken in, but not later on. Did you get an oil/fluid change recently? Maybe they dripped some of the new or old fluids somewhere.
Satan Fe is funny, because "Fe" in Portuguese means "Faith". So you have Satan Faith!
On the Vue: take a close look anyway, but I was disappointed. The seats are spongy and materials are the cheapest you'll see on a sport/cute. The CR-V is roomier and more comfy.
Pilot for 25 to 30k? I sure hope so, but I won't hold my breath. Maybe that United Buying Service will come in handy after all.
Has anyone noticed the differences between the roofracks on '01 & '02 ? The '02 seems to have only cross-bars and no provision for rails v/s the '01 (hope I got that right!). Seems sortof rigid design. Does anyone have info. on alternatives for the '02 ?
I only noticed the burning smell the first afternoon after picking up the car. Figured it was some kind of coating burning off or just one of those 'first drive' smells. Haven't had it since--just that lovely new car aroma!
Peterclaver - The roof rails are standard on all '02s. It's not the prettiest design, but those black runners on the top of the car are the roof rails. The cross members attach directly to them.
well, let's see. i don't know if you knwo that, but honda engine is designed to be safely run at redline for hours on. so if i am driving 90 at 4000 -- 4500 rpm, the engine should not burn oil, when it is 2500 rpm away from the red line. and yes i have met the doctors you have mentioned. once when i ripped my deltoid, the doc told me i should not lift, duhhh. guess what, i am not seeing that doctor, a real doctor performed surgery and treatment to heal the rip. same applies to here. some people just feel like they should be controling other people's descisions. fresh example, on the way home, i am riding in the left lane minding my buisness keeping safe distance frorm the car in front of me. all over sudden this idiot from the middle lane desided that too many people were going too fast, moved over to the left lane and slowed down to the legal speed, I among with other drivers were ready to kill this guy, i flashed my beams at him, and all i get is his hand in the air. now, who is this guy to tell the rest of us how fast we should drive? if he wanted to do speed limit, there is the right lane. besides the unwritten rule of the road manners is that you do speed limit in the right lane, 10 over in the middle lane, and 20 over in the left lane. now, driving in the right lane you MOVE OVER at enterance ramps to allow people to get on the freeway. how hard is it to think about these things? most states have "keep to the right" laws, but unfortunately they are not enforced. our roads have the capability to support more cars than there are, only if people had brains in their heads. there would be no traffic jams, no accidents (people would not have to weave in and out to get around slow pokes), and you would not have to spend 2 hours to move 5 miles. thankfully, i am not the only one that thinks that, people at car and driver, road and track and motor trend all agree the speed limits have no other purpose other than to bring more money to the state.
I am buying from MarkRoberts too at $18,358. I guess I should not be suprised. I actually did send emails to the 2 local Honda Dealerships and I added $300.00 to MarkRoberts'quote as my offer. One replied and counter-offered $18,900 and the other just said they would not sell below MSRP. I have arranged the loan with peoplefirst.com too. 5.75%. Not bad. I was able to convince my wife to go with me to OK as a Vacation in March since we have never been to OK before. We will just rent a car and drive down there, spend a couple days in Tulsa and Bartlesville, then drive the CRV back. The 8-hour drive would be a good break-in period. I am already ordering accessories for it from the Honda-Accessories.com. It will be exciting.
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Travel - How will you get there and how much will it cost? Only you can answer if it is worth it.
Registration - This and sales tax will be handled in your home state/county. The selling dealer should be able to arrange for you a temporary plate which will get you home. If not, your state's law will guide you. Some states allow you to use your existing plate for X days to allow you time to transfer the registration. If not, you should set up the registration in your home state before you go. In either of these cases, you take your plate with you.
Service - The local dealer may give preference to people who buy there but cannot deny you warranty service. What would people do when they move?? They can (and sounds like they will) make it miserable for you to get service done. But at least they are being honest and telling you upfront they will treat you poorly in the future.
I always thought the CR-V was akin to Tom Hanks and the RAV to Johnny Depp.
But to each their own.
Altoon - So far we have limited data to work with, but I've seen 0-60 times of 8.4, 8.5, and 8.8. The first two were for a 5 speed, but I dunno which tranny was used for the 8.8 time. I've also seen 9.8 or 9.9 seconds for a 0-100 kmph (0-62 mph) in an Australian publication. Again, it's not clear which transmission was used in that test and it's hard to compare with the extra two miles per hours over an American test.
Anybody else seen other times?
The '02 V was not my first choice in the looks department, but Hannah10 is right. The look grows on you. When I compared the total package to all the other mini utes it started looking even better.
Like you, our local dealers here want MSRP. Buying at Mark Roberts saves me $1300. It is an 4.5hrs drive for me, so the decision is a no brainer. In your case, check to see whether you can get any references on buying out-of-state from that dealer. Share the name of that dealer here, maybe someone here can share his/her experience. Consider the following:
Do you mind driving 16 hours back to back? Remember you need to find someone to drive with you too. Is the dealer close to an airport and would they arrange pick up from airport? Cost to fly out there? Check all airlines for bargain. Ditto to robr2, check with your locat title registration office. Do you have to buy the CR-V now? If you can wait several more months, dealers are more willing to negotiate then. Have you tried sending email to all dealers around your area(See earlier posts)? It is your call whether it is worth it or not.
How do you pay for your car? Arrange financing ahead fo time and check for lowest rate locally and on internet (www.peoplefirst.com). That could save you a bundle too.
Good luck on your car shopping.
Overall, I'd *guess* that the 5 speed '02 CR-V will sprint to 60 mph in 8.5 to 9 seconds. The automatic will probably run in the 9 to 10 second range.
I suspect that the VUE may be the buggy to beat. I've been reading positive things about their V6. Mated to the 5 speed automatic it should be pretty quick. The only test I've read about placed it in the low 8's. Not too shabby for it's first time on the track. If they stick with the same platform, the next generation Forester should also be quite speedy.
I should point out that, although I follow this stuff pretty closely, I could care less about driving an SUV like a sportscar. I'd rather see decent mpg, low emissions, and the ability to haul a decent amount of cargo. I'm simply a veteran of the times when this thread was filled with, "the CR-V can't get out of its own way", postings.
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Has anyone ever heard of this before? I naively thought that dealers designated a vehicle as a demonstrator so that all interested parties could drive it _before_ putting down a deposit!
Bob in PA
Sandhurst - I am waiting down here in Texas for a 5 speed and am told they are much harder to come by - go figure. You know a car is in short supply when they require a deposit for a test drive. Never heard of that.
Why are 0-60 times so important? It's not a racing car!
As far as I'm concerned this new engine has a tremendous amount of power and outperforms many V6's.
That's what Honda is all about - engines. Their engines are smaller than the competition but Honda knows how to use every bit of power in there. The other guys don't.
Say, I come out of the garage, put the car in D, drive 150 feet and have to come to a stop before turning onto another street. As I'm braking there is the 'thunk' that seems to come from somewhere in the front of the car. This happens when braking and going forward, and sometimes when braking and backing up. Once I heard the 'thunk' it usually goes away until I have parked the car(P) again.
Has anybody experienced the same thing? Is this a characteristic of the car? Should I have the dealer inspected?
Appreciate your comments.
CR-Vic
sandhurst: Yes that is odd that you need a $500 deposit esp. in that area. I know the dealership you are referring to. Does it happen to be on Route 74 (Queen St.) right by Route 83? My guess is they only have the one and they want to keep it on the lot as much as possible until someone wants to buy it. If you are really, really, really interested in purchasing one, then pony up the deposit and test drive it. or if you are in the Lancaster or Harrisburg (Faulkner on Paxton Street) areas, I know they have Honda dealerships. If you're not serious about buying a CR-V, then you'll have to wait. It sucks when a vehicle is popular and supply is low.
Its just north of Hagerstown on I-81
to spyponder: What I meant was that IMO,Honda will 'massage' their inventory and orders to always keep demand up. By not keeping an inventory even when they could have one,the illussion of high demand and "there are just none available" and "I can't keep them on my lot" will be there,thus always being able to charge full sticker. The only way the buyer wins is if the MFG. forces the dealers to take more vehicles even if they have not pre-sold them yet. This may happen in about a year with the CRV and maybe the ODY.
BTW,the buyers of those used ODY's at full MSRP may be in for a rude awakening later when the market makes a 'correction' to their value,which is inevitable. This bubble will burst,the only unknown is when.
Speaking of dealerships... Last night I got a call from one where I test drove the '02 CR-V. Very nice call, even though I don't like be harrassed. I told the salesperson that I'm waiting on the Honda Pilot. "The what?" I had to explain to her what the vehicle was. I directed her to the CR-V IX and to the Edmunds coverage of the auto show.
I now have two career choices in front of me; an internet sales manager at a dealership or the Honda Geek for the game show Beat the Geeks.
Rburnard - Yep, speed is about more than just engine displacement and power. It seems that Honda tends to get the same performance from their cars with 10% less displacement and 10% better fuel efficiency. Others manufacturers typically have a few cars that can do the same, but Honda seems to make it happen with just about all their cars.
We don't allow test drives on S-2000's for the obvious reasons. We do tell the serious buyers that they can buy it, drive it for an hour and bring it back if they don't like it.
So far, no returns.
The serious buyers never have a problem but this does tick the joyriders and wannabees off sometimes!
But I don't understand this with a CRV?
I have heard about depostis on S2000 test drives, it hink that way a dealer can weed out, like said before, joyriders and other non-commited customers.
At the dealerships I do visit, occasionally I meet a salesperson who is friendly and helpful without being pushy. (The two who come to mind both left their dealerships not long after I started talking with them). Some others are pushy, and know less about the vehicle than I do. Once in awhile, I am ignored completely. (Speaking of ignored, here's my worst dealer experience ever story: My wife and I were looking at the Mazda Tribute shortly after it came out. No interest in taking a test drive, just a quick stop on the way to Coors Field. There was one open on the lot, so we were checking out the interior, exterior, etc. A salesman came out, said "Excuse me" to get me out of the driver door as I was leaning in looking at something, and hung a "Sold" tag on the mirror. Not another word).
If you have a decent amount of traffic in your dealership, i.e., enough potential buyers so you're not waiting for the next one to drive up, how do you decide which prospect is most likely to be worth your time?
Any comments?
p.s. someone on the 2002 board on www.hondasuv.com mentioned that as one of the big problems they had with their cr-v
varmit - You have perceptively identified your career choices! It does seem that you know a great deal about Hondas. The question is how to make money from this.?
The Pilot will seat 7, and it looks like it'll carry some cargo even with the 3rd seat in place. I'm sure the price will be over $30k with heated leather and a moonroof, though. Odyssey is close to $29k the way I'd want it, so Pilot should be about $2 grand more or so.
Honda and Subaru manage 0-60 times better than many of the V6s because they are light; fuel efficiency is a side bonus. Also, most V6 competitors do not offer a manual tranny.
"no returns" on the S2000, LOL!
-juice
Crvic...My 02 does that a lot when its cold , especially during the first 500 miles. I no longer notice it. Perhaps the new brake needs break in time. My 10 year old Toyota still does it from time to time (when cold). I think its just how disk brake works.
i drove to work this morning and was really speeding (90 and up) and weaving in and out of traffic alot.
I recommend leaving earlier for work and sticking closer to the posted speed limits.
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as far as sticking with posted speed limits, people can get shot for tieing up the traffic in rush hour. anything below 70 will get you beeped at, high beamed, hand gestured, and/or tailgated and cut off with mandatory brake slam in front of you. I hate to say it, but i have to play by the rules of the rush hour game. and people who stick with the speed limit shoud be driving between 10 am and 4 pm to let other people get to where they are going.
i don;t want to start a new discussion, but speed limits in this country are ridiculous. if they government really wanted to save lives, they would have to start educating drivers and not imposing limits that are picked from the ceiling. speed does not kill, stupid people do.
but anyway, what's up with the smell?
Les: I know, but the wife wants it relatively loaded. Her current car has leather, V6, ABS, and alloys, so match that and add AWD and VSC to the Highlander and you're basically hitting $30k.
In reality we're probably going to keep her car a little longer, at least until we can see the next Forester, and now the G35 has really sparked my interest. One rumor has the price staring at $27k, we'll see.
-juice
I have a 99 CRV which also made a strange noise after you first apply the brakes. I took it to the dealer and they simply cleaned and adjusted the pads and rotors....No more noise. However mine is 3 years old... If you have an '02 with relatively low miles, it shouldn't be making that noise. Warranty should cover???
As for speeding, there is just something about Hondas from my experience: they just don't like to go slow. When we picked up the CRV my wife (usually a 9-mph-over driver) was darting in and out of traffic as she drove the CR-V home, doing 95+. I notice when I drive the CR-V that it definitely does not have a problem with power. Very peppy. It stops a little slower too. It wants to GO, that's for sure.
Oh, and a word to anyone even considering a VUE. I had a Saturn before my Civic. I loved it, up until 88k because that's when the engine blew. I'm friends with the head mechanic at one of the local dealerships where I live. When I told him about my Saturn he said, and I quote, "It's about time. Saturns are only made to last 80,000 miles." That was all I needed to hear to never even consider a Saturn again...
I do not think an individual driving 90+MPH (while weaving in and out of traffic) is merely stupid, but rather someone with a death wish, who is dangerous!!!
ANYONE clocked at those speeds should have their keys, license and vehicle taken from them, in that order,on the spot!!!
Here's an "educational" tip. You are delusional if you think you or any other driver has control of his/her car at that speed, in the predictable and common event of road hazzards.
Hmmmm...he must be from the land of 50-60 chain reaction car pile ups. Gee I wonder how that happens?
Were you braking a lot while you were weaving in and out of traffic? Are you sure it smelled like burnt oil, and maybe not brake or clutch lining?
There are only two places where oil or grease are used in the rear end of a CR-V: the differential and the wheel bearings. If you're sure it's a burned oil smell and it's only coming from the rear, then it has to be one of these.
If your less sure about it being burnt oil, then you may want to check your brakes. If the smell is really heavy and you weren't hitting the brakes hard and/or often, one of your drum brakes could be sticking and causing friction. The clutch is also another possibility if you like to slip your clutch a little while shifting.
On another subject, you may want to blame the law-abiders less for your commuter woes and start looking more conspiculously at those who are speeding excessively and trying to kill those who don't.
Speed does kill. So do "stupid" drivers. Looks like your commuter area has wisely combined both.
Ty
Juice - An angry Pikachu? I thought I was bad mispelling it "Satan Fe".
Tom Elliot of Amercain Honda has remarked that prices for the Pilot should run between 25-30K. The top model offering leather and DVD or NAV (not both). There's more info in the dedicated thread or at the CR-V IX.
Heck, in my neck of the woods, the freeways are so congested during rush hours that you are lucky if you can do the speed limit, never mind 90+. And in a CR-V, or just about any sport-utility vehicle, IMO, driving 90+ on any but the least congested freeway is plain foolish. Good luck if someone cuts you off and you have to make an emergency maneuver.
[gets down off soap box]
Dudka, no idea what that burning smell might be. I remember an acrid smell from most of my cars when they were being broken in, but not later on. Did you get an oil/fluid change recently? Maybe they dripped some of the new or old fluids somewhere.
On the Vue: take a close look anyway, but I was disappointed. The seats are spongy and materials are the cheapest you'll see on a sport/cute. The CR-V is roomier and more comfy.
Pilot for 25 to 30k? I sure hope so, but I won't hold my breath. Maybe that United Buying Service will come in handy after all.
-juice
E.Blue CRV LX 2wd - 1000+ miles
Peterclaver - The roof rails are standard on all '02s. It's not the prettiest design, but those black runners on the top of the car are the roof rails. The cross members attach directly to them.
Doctor: Don't do that, then.
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Driver: I get a smell of burnt oil when I go 90 mph in my CR-V.
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some people just feel like they should be controling other people's descisions. fresh example, on the way home, i am riding in the left lane minding my buisness keeping safe distance frorm the car in front of me. all over sudden this idiot from the middle lane desided that too many people were going too fast, moved over to the left lane and slowed down to the legal speed, I among with other drivers were ready to kill this guy, i flashed my beams at him, and all i get is his hand in the air. now, who is this guy to tell the rest of us how fast we should drive? if he wanted to do speed limit, there is the right lane. besides the unwritten rule of the road manners is that you do speed limit in the right lane, 10 over in the middle lane, and 20 over in the left lane. now, driving in the right lane you MOVE OVER at enterance ramps to allow people to get on the freeway. how hard is it to think about these things? most states have "keep to the right" laws, but unfortunately they are not enforced. our roads have the capability to support more cars than there are, only if people had brains in their heads. there would be no traffic jams, no accidents (people would not have to weave in and out to get around slow pokes), and you would not have to spend 2 hours to move 5 miles. thankfully, i am not the only one that thinks that, people at car and driver, road and track and motor trend all agree the speed limits have no other purpose other than to bring more money to the state.
Edmunds.com does not allow the promotion of illegal conduct, so I trust you aren't condoning speeding, just want the legal limits to be upped?
Any CR-V stories, anyone?
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I have arranged the loan with peoplefirst.com too. 5.75%. Not bad.
I was able to convince my wife to go with me to OK as a Vacation in March since we have never been to OK before. We will just rent a car and drive down there, spend a couple days in Tulsa and Bartlesville, then drive the CRV back. The 8-hour drive would be a good break-in period.
I am already ordering accessories for it from the Honda-Accessories.com. It will be exciting.