Freeber - Yes the 2.4 in the Highlander (HL) will probably be a bit more sluggish than the unit in the CR-V. The HL has more weight to pull and doesn't get the same mpg. The lack of a manual tranny will add to that. This is yet another reason why folks, like yourself, will opt for the CR-V over the 4 cyl HL. I'm currently driving a 146 hp '99 CR-V, and I expect that the acceleration of the 2.4 HL would be similar. For me, that's good enough. For the rest of the market, maybe not.
Sandhurst - There are many reasons to go with one vs the other. Even though the CR-V EX is currently selling at MSRP (or higher), it does have a number of standard features that are option$ on the HL. However, the HL gives you more vehicle than the CR-V. We could sit here and compare options for days. The trouble is, a perfectly outfitted 4 cyl HL is going to come close to the price of a 240hp Pilot in EX trim.
I need to carry dogs and people at the same time. What I really want is a CR-V with an even larger cargo space. Such a vehicle does not exist and probably should not. I've just got very specific requirements. (Too bad the Element doesn't have more cargo space.) So the HL and Pilot are the best compromises.
The 2.5 Outback is also a possibility. I like the mpg, 5 speed option, and price, but I don't think the cargo area is quite big enough. I still want to do some off-roading as well. IMHO, both the Soob and the HL will be weaker than the Pilot in that respect (not that the Pilot is a boulder-bashing bog beast).
I haven't started serious comparisons, yet. I still have at least a year before I place an order. Who knows what Nissan might bring over...
I have an 02 CRV but I had a 96 Subaru OB.I put 40k miles on it in two years.It had a 5 speed but it was slow.It developed a problem with the clutch cable and a plastic part on the brake pedal support broke. The most irritating part was the Subaru service was not open on Saturday.I hope my V doesn't develop problems at 40K miles.In the SOOBS defense it was very stable in a turn at speed.My V says "slow down".
Calling all '02 CR-V owners with a few thou on the speedo. Does your Honda have a click sound behind the dash when you take off or come to a full stop? I asked this question a few months ago. I really never received any yes's or no's. The dealer told me that it is the reverse lock out solenoid that would prevent us from accidently knocking the shift lever into reverse. I questioned this from the beginning since it did not do it at first. I would like to know if any other 2002 CR-V owners have experienced this sound. Please respond.
Say it aint so Varmint Is it safe to assume you've checked out the 2nd gen 'V and found the size inadequate for your needs? I just got back from a 3 day trip to the beach with GG Jr. and Mrs. GG and we had plenty of room for all our stuff. Granted, we don't have dogs, but we did bring back a pet Hermit Crab Oh, this is my first post here at Edmunds, hi everyone
Luv2motor - It's most likely the solenoid. The "issue" has been discussed several times and we've determined that it's not a "bug". It's just a nuisance. Some folks can hear it, other's cannot. I guess solenoids are inconsistent when it comes to clicking volume.
GatorGreg! - Nice to hear/read from you. Yeah, the new CR-V is a great vehicle, but it's just not big enough (for the hounds) behind the seats. They're just too lanky.
The Pilot was/is my first choice, but I'm not thrilled with getting 17-22mpg. It's much bigger than what I need on a daily basis, but just big enough for the semi-frequent trips where I need to take the dogs and two passengers in the rear seat. The 4 cyl HL fits in between. But, if it costs too much, I'll spend the same money and get the V6 Pilot.
Nice article Varmint! Just think though, with the 2nd gen 'V you could drive your hounds around town with the moonroof open, the rear windows rolled all the way down, and the hatch glass popped open for them to sniff some fumes and bark at pedestrians. With the Pilot, there's no moonroof, no seperately opening glass hatch, and if it's like my old 'X, the rear windows don't roll all the way down. So you'll be cooped up with them and smelling those lovely dog aromas the whole way
Also, don't forget that the 2nd gen 'V has the new fangled intelligent iVTEC, while the Pilot makes do with the old style presumalby "dumb" VTEC. Of course, it also has 240 hp
As for the HL, it's about as inspiring to look at as a block of muenster cheese.
Hi guys, it feels like my seat is beginning to slightly rock, and I am a small framed guy It feels like the seatback moves more than the seat, could this be normal, or is the movement more pronouced? Can someone describe what it feels like, so I can diagnose the problem? I scrolled thru 1000 posts and found the TSB # 02-017 and all the pertinant info...thanks varmint. Has there been any recent updates or other repairs to report? TIA
Gator - I guess ole Mikey left a permanent stain on the HL's reputation, huh?
The trouble with the '02 CR-V is that the hounds won't lay down. There's not enough space. Swagger plops himself in the middle of the floor and Gabbie (the one with the really nice breath) stands in the back panting on the folks in the 2nd row. That and she falls all over the place trying to stand up while the car is moving. I have to attach their riding harnesses to the floor (in case of an accident) and the more she moves around, the more likely she is to get wrapped up in the cord. Dogs...
Maybe I'll get the Pilot with the RES option and get a bunch of Lassie movies on DVD.
FastEddie - So far, everyone has reported that the TSB fix resolved the rocking seat. It's too early to tell if the new parts won't wear out again. It shouldn't cost you anything, so I'd just take it to the shop and get it taken care of. There's nothing to lose.
....is a whole inch wider! Surely that's enough room for the 2 dogs to divy up between themselves!! I'm actually moving to a CR-V from a Blazer, so the reduction in cargo area was a big concern for me. I take 2 (only 2) hunting trips a year, and I need to get a dog crate, full hunting gear for 2 people and overnight gear packed in. It's going to be tight in the V, but I can't justify the increase in cost for 2 trips a year.
I have to admit, looking at the photos of the trails for the Mid-West CRV meeting makes me want to keep my Blazer too. But since I never used it for off-roading the first 4 years I had it, I probably am best off not starting now.
But really, if they can pack 10 people in this thing overseas I think you need to explain to your dogs just how good they have it here in the good old USA.
I know the CRV has lots off nooks and crannies but I like more storage.If you lower the tray between the seats would a minivan console fit? They have them at WalMart in all different sizes.Another idea is a storage compartment that sits on the passengers seat and is held by the seat belt.I am always throwing things on the seat and they go flying when I brake hard.The discussion of the Highlander reminded of what I like about it.The shifter is between the seats where it is easy to operate manually if desired. A 5 speed CRV is harder to find than $1 gas and so the next best thing would be a triptronic type between the seats.
Oh my, it seems my reputation preceeds me. Hello to GatorGreg and Varmint.
Guess who this is? or should I add a space before the "?".
Personally - I think the Highlander is a very graceful and sleek.
I am still trying to upgrade my wife's 2000 silver EX to a 2002 Blue EX. Of course - I am waiting for an AWD V6 2003 HL Ltd, or I may look at the Pilot. But I don't think I will go for the red turn signals.
You may get a kick out of this - just had my second rear ender in my white "Beluga" EX. Luckily, the darn tire on the rear gate saved my hide (again). I am amazed how tough the rear door is.
Nice "spy article" about that Pilot, varmint, but I'm sure there will be big markups at first. Ack! No moonroof? Just like the Ody, major bummer. When will they be in dealers?
We're going to take a close look at the Legacy GT wagon. It's an Outback minus the raised suspension and two-tone. It's a solid value, though, I can get one with a moonroof for about $21k, and that's well equipped. The cargo area isn't as tall, but the area is wide and deep. A friend of mine took one to a Friday at the Track event, and with the instructor behind the wheel they passed a Ferrari. It was a track in West Va, I forget the name.
Tom: service hours depend on your particular dealer. Many Soob dealers are open Saturday, of course.
I picked up my new Eternal Blue Pearl EX a couple of days ago and I am really loving it. I traded in my 1998 Silver EX. I think it is much more comfortable than the 1998 was, much better stock sound system, and a great improvement overall. I worked out a deal with my dealer and had the tires changed out to the Yokohama Avid Touring before I picked it up and I think there is a big improvement in the road noise from the one I test drove with the Bridgestones. I also got the fog lights installed (another very good deal) and the leather wrapped steering wheel. I still plan to buy the hard spare cover and the cargo tray. I'm considering wheel locks, but I'm really only concerned about losing the spare in places like airport parking lots. Any thoughts from the group?
I did want to ask if anyone knows the difference between the 98 and 02 models in the front to back length of the cargo area with the rear seats folded down. With the change in how they fold, I'm assuming there is some loss in length, but I didn't think to measure before I let my 98 go. It is not a big issue, I'm just curious.
I really enjoy reading all the posts. There is a lot of good information.
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Just drove the EX 5-speed, and only thought I heard a creaking, only barely, in 1st gear. Heard the particular noise only once while stopping and starting numerous times. Here's what the technician said: "Checked and lubed suspension parts R&R sway bar and lubed bushings sway bar was the source of the noise." He apologized for saying initially that he didn't think he could fix it. He said he'll change the bushings is the noise returns. FYI. Keeping my fingers crossed! Thanks for all you help!
Freeber - Yeah, I know what you mean. It's hard for me to justify a midsize SUV when 90% of the time, it'll be a commuter car. Though, in my case, I'll need the extra space more than 2 times each year. We do 3-4 ski trips, 5-8 camping trips, and we frequently fill up the car and bring the hounds to family events and holidays.
When we only had the one dog, the CR-V was perfect. With two, it has become a challenge.
BTW, here's a tip for you. Depending on your cargo, there may be times when it's best to remove the picnic table. When we go backpacking, we leave the table at home. The rug caves into the wet/dry storage space and our gear rides lower in the cargo area. It makes it easier to see out the back window when you have backpacks taking up the entire space.
Cheryll - Congrats on the new CR-V! I'll take a tape measure to my '99 model and let you know about the cargo area. The '02 models have a very compact engine compartment, so it's possible that the entire length of the passenger compartment is longer. Therefore the cargo part could be the same despite changes to the seat folding operation.
Elisthorn - Good news. I'm glad it wasn't a transmission or ABS issue! This sounds like a much cheaper fix.
I am glad you guys have been able to get your dogs in the cargo area. My CR-V I have a hard time letting the dogs in there. Fear of getting it dirty. I have a bloodhound he is pretty big and and when he shakes his head he slobbers all over. I put my small dog back there once and she cried and eventually jumped over into the back seat then into the front. She is such a princess, less then shotgun isn't good enough for her.
Jeep makes a cargo divider specifically for pets. Has anyone installed one in the CR-V? I don't think honda offers the pet divider as an accessory, but I have found a universal one.
You can't bail on us now and get Highlander. What are we gonna do when Toyota drivers get you on their boards-you won't have any more time for us BTW, I thought your middle name was "Honda" for the longest time
Sway bar bushings are often a source of noise. You have metal sliding against rubber, which will squeek if it's not lubed. In fact, every time you have your tires rotated, spray a little lithium grease on the bushings, they should be easily visible with the wheels off.
I've installed a few myself, upgrade ones. If you thing rubber is bad, urethane is much worse.
varmint: join me tonight in car shopping and we'll ask for a bulk discount! :-)
The Legacy and Outback have a big surface area in the cargo bay. Sorry, Honda fans, the Subaru Crew is going to try to steal varmint away from you, too! :-O
I also traded a 98 for a 2002 and I love it! Anyways I am also curious about the overall length change on the 2002 when the seats are folded up. I really wish that Honda went one step further and allowed them to be removed. They look like they should be able to be pulled out once they are folded up, they look like suitcases. If they were removable it would make a huge difference of almost a foot in length!
If the seats in the V had been removable it would have been an absolute no-brainer to purchase it. I looked at the RAV-4 prior to looking at my V so I was quite amazed that the V seats don't come out. Then again, I had never removed the seats in a RAV before that night a decided (in typical guy fashion) that I was going to wing it and yank one out. 20 minutes later (and several ounces of sweat) I managed to get the seat back in. Amazed nobody tried to help me as I was in the middle of the dealership showroom. Of course I didn't read the directions and just started yanking on things. As it turns out when I took the seat out, the latching mechanism on one side closed. This allowed only one side to set back in the way it was supposed to. Yet again, I digress....
Maybe Honda couldn't find a decent way to make this easy and safe. I can imagine the accident lawsuits people would file blaming Honda for making it too hard to secure the seats back in.
I'll be looking for a way to remove them though...If I have a 5-6 day hunting trip, 2 hours unbolting and rebolting the seats is an easy investment.
Freeber: you are probably right about safety concerns, I suppose that is a major thing for Honda especially how conservative Honda america is. Maybe I can find a way to Jerry rig a safe and efficient way of removing the seats, I am not really sure if I want to venture down that road or not.
Has anyone ordered the tk6 tracker kit from Thule yet? I have all these bars and rack equipment from my previous crv and I am anxiously awaiting for this product so I can complete a rack system for my 2002. I have an 18 footer sea kayak that is awaiting a car ride to some big water! Anyways, I called a couple places today and one place said they will have it in a couple of days. I am skeptical because everywhere else I called said closer to three weeks for availability. What's the scoop???
I think an Acura version of the CRV would sell like crazy! Anyone else think this would be a good idea???
I am happy that the CR-V seats are not removable. Where in the world am I suppose to put those things when I remove them?? I saw the salesman worked for 15mins trying to put those things back in when they were removed. That was one of the turn-offs for me.
Geenee - There are several aftermarket pet barriers that will fit the CR-V. I haven't looked into one as I convert from cargo to passenger configuration very frequently. Having the barrier up would be one more thing to remove/replace every time I do it.
FastEddie - I've already sent in an application to be the "Honda Geek" for the TV game show, "Beat the Geeks".
I've always been a fan of Toyota products. I just tend to like the Honda better when they compete head to head (better value, better engines, better utility, better packaging...). This applies even in the Pilot vs Highlander comparison. It's just that my need for a larger SUV doesn't include a 240hp V6. If Honda offered a 3.0 with better mpg, I wouldn't be looking at the HL.
Juice - How long will it take to get my "bulk" from Boston to DC?
I'll have to take another look at the Outback. My Uncle has one. Last I checked, the cargo floor still wasn't the right size/shape. You're right, I need the depth and width more than height. Greyhounds are tall, but not THAT tall. I'm sure height will not be a problem. I'm not sure that the HL will work either. That's one thing I still need to check on. The Pilot will work.
Back to the CR-V... Removeable seats would be a great feature, but then you'd have a section of cargo area (behind the front seats) without a floor. The rear footwell would be an empty hole.
Making seats completely removable would also complicate the hardware and increase cost$. It has to release easily, but also be strong enough to stay in place during an accident. That would be tough to do and still allow for the sliding mechanism.
Acura version of a CR-V? Yes, definitely, they should do it. It won't hurt MDX demand because there are wait lists for that. They'll just sell more CR-Vs to some of the folks in line that don't want to wait, but would probably buy another brand.
Make it like the Open Air.
varm: the Legacy/Outback doesn't have the rear struts intruding like in the Forester, so the surface area is much greater. So yeah, the shape would be useful for your pups.
Are we upset regarding the non re-movable back seats in the CR-v because you want more cargo room....or because you think you want to sleep back there.......
On the 2002 Cr-v if you push the front seats all the way forward, take out the headrest, the front seats will align perfectly with the back seats providing huge perfect cushioned area.......I have tried it before while the b-friend is driving and it is very comfy.....Try it.....it is great.
Geenee - It actually works better with the '96-'01 models. They have a mechanism in the rear seat cushion that allows it to fold completely flat.
As you can see in this pic of the '02 model, they don't fold as flat. :-( Still useful for a nap space. It's more like a lounge chair than the true bed.
TCO looks like a total clone of Intellichoice reports, but second opinions are always welcome. Ring up the numbers for the CR-V, and it comes out looking VERY competitively priced versus its competitors.
First, "howdy" to gatorgreg. Nice to cross paths with yet another familiar online identity. Welcome aboard, and don't forget to use the doormat to wipe off some of that mud you seem to never go without.
Gosh, usually I can't nitpick on Varmint's commentary, but I feel a need to point out that only those who went for '98-'01 EX or SE models got the fully reclining back seats. It provides a rare opportunity to display trim-level snobbery. Especially here in Houston, the Real-Time Front-Wheel-Drive CR-V Capital of the World(tm).
Hi I have my 2002 CR-V EX for 1 1/2 months now.So far I love the suv, But wanted to know if anyone had put any bumber guards on there CR-V yet.I want the stainless steel ones that cover the front headlights and the rear bumber.Where I live in queens there's alt.side parking so everyone plays bumbercars..
Ahem. Mea culpa on the LX's lack of a true bed. Sometimes, I forget about you little people. :-b
Ssoto - What you really need is a nice tough looking 2x4 nailed to the front bumper with spikes sticking out of it. Great for rush hour traffic and those nasty NY pedestrians, too. As for those sedate looking grill guards... I haven't seen any, yet. I'm sure Manik and Waag will have a few on the market soon.
Geenee - "Geeez varmit is there anything you don't know about these CR-V's."
I need a way to convince my wife that we need another one. Any suggestions?
ssoto to stop people from bumping your car while parking in NY ... watch out the window and they get close to your Beautiful CR-V press the panic button on the keyless entry.
When I picked up my CR-V, there were people looking at my CR-V, the dealer was so funny, he pushed the panic button and they moved away quickly.
varmit....just take your wife to the dealership...
Hit a Honda and Toyota dealer yesterday for our first few test drives, including a CR-V. It had Duelers on it, EX model, 5 speed, Silver. My wife liked it more than I did, but it's her car so it may be a contender. Some comments:
* engine is peppy. No need for a V6 in terms of power, though it can get loud. I could chirp the tires in 2nd gear. Definitely noticed torque steer. Felt RT4WD kicking in, too.
* ride is compliant, just a little noisy for my tastes. Handling is OK for what it is, just not sporty. Feels like regular FWD to me.
* interior space gets kudos. It's a limo. Huge back seat. Comfy, too. Some materials a bit entry-level, but it didn't bother my wife. Needs a dead pedal. Front leg room could be better, too.
* cargo space is tight with the seats back, though. We could not fit the stroller and still have room for a quick diaper change. Highlander and Legacy did have room for that. This is probably what varmint means by it being crowded for two dogs.
* she liked the shifter feel of the manual, but could not figure out the hand brake right away. I had to help, though I imagine she'd get used to that. Oddly, the Highlander took a while to figure out too (you have to step on the brake a 2nd time to release it). What happened to normalcy? ;-)
Overall a fun, smart package. Price is IMO a little high for the content level (no heated seats or leather, $22 grand) and the warranty is too short.
She passed on the Accord because she's seen sketches of the new model and doesn't want a lame duck. We also drove a Camry SE 5 speed (nice except clunky shifter) and a Highlander V6 (I loved it, she didn't, too big and "too nice" LOL).
Next on the list are the Altima and Maxima, and then comes the Legacy and a 2003 Forester it if arrives in time. I may put her in a WRX wagon just for kicks. It's too small for her but who knows?
That's hilarious, I actually thought about that. But she doesn't want to fuss with pulling it out and all that. Just plop the baby down and change her. The diaper bag goes on top of the stroller, plus it's more private than a table.
The sales man at the Toyota dealer tried to show her where the spare was, and all I could think was "AAA, duh, like she'll ever change a tire!". That guy was totally annoying, he kept telling her she should buy the Highlander even though she made it very clear that she didn't like it. Even after she drove the Camry he pointed to the HL. The only thing more annoying was his cologne.
Also, both sales men kept talking to me, and I kept telling them "her car, don't tell me, tell her".
We both prefer liftgates because they give you shelter from the rain. But we'll see, no car is perfect.
Michael: why couldn't the P5 be just a foot longer?
I like the Mazda 6 but it looks like the wagon and hatch only come out next year. Can't wait that long. We've already sold her 626.
Protoge is small, Tribute has too much Ford influence for my tastes. We drove an MPV but her eyes glazed over she was so bored. It's a fine van but if you want zoom zoom try my Miata.
Too bad the Element's not here yet. For a lower price, and with a lift gate, that would be a strong candidate for us.
Yes, but every big car she drives, she doesn't like. That includes the Highlander, Rendezvous, MPV, Sedona, etc. My cousin has an Odyssey and she didn't like that either.
Our choices may seem odd but she takes up these offers for freebies when you drive a certain vehicle.
Have my 2002 CR-V ex for about a week now. Very pleased about everything, it runs like a V6, have a roomy interior and gets a lot of looks from my fellow motorist. Got it $400 dollors over invoice. Installed most of options possible: 1. Body side cladding 2. Fog lights 3. Side step bars 4. roof rack 5. front mud guard all in all a nice looking MID SIZED Suv. total prize $26514 including everything with a extended warraty of 100,000 miles.
She's just like me, didn't like much anything I test drove. Ended with the newV. Its the best best compromise, got everything else beat in most catgory. I'm happy with my decision.
Saw the Element at Houston Auto show, not as nice as in pictures. Looks cheap and very odd. Not half as nice as a V.
Since you're checking out SUVs and wagons/cars, what about the Toyota Matrix? The cargo area might be big enough for a stroller and those diaper changes!
Scname, you know that display wasn't real, right? It was just the same plastic "Model X" mockup that's been making the rounds for a long time. The real Element (and Pilot) were just finished being shown off in New York.
Several years ago, I realized that Houston's auto show is a second-rate production. It's usually held in January, which conflicts with the ones in the top-tier show cities (NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago), where the automakers compete to make real news.
The result is that everything that is unveiled at the "Big Four" waits an entire year before trickling down to us. Bummer.
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Sandhurst - There are many reasons to go with one vs the other. Even though the CR-V EX is currently selling at MSRP (or higher), it does have a number of standard features that are option$ on the HL. However, the HL gives you more vehicle than the CR-V. We could sit here and compare options for days. The trouble is, a perfectly outfitted 4 cyl HL is going to come close to the price of a 240hp Pilot in EX trim.
I need to carry dogs and people at the same time. What I really want is a CR-V with an even larger cargo space. Such a vehicle does not exist and probably should not. I've just got very specific requirements. (Too bad the Element doesn't have more cargo space.) So the HL and Pilot are the best compromises.
The 2.5 Outback is also a possibility. I like the mpg, 5 speed option, and price, but I don't think the cargo area is quite big enough. I still want to do some off-roading as well. IMHO, both the Soob and the HL will be weaker than the Pilot in that respect (not that the Pilot is a boulder-bashing bog beast).
I haven't started serious comparisons, yet. I still have at least a year before I place an order. Who knows what Nissan might bring over...
40k miles on it in two years.It had a 5 speed
but it was slow.It developed a problem with
the clutch cable and a plastic part on the
brake pedal support broke. The most irritating
part was the Subaru service was not open on
Saturday.I hope my V doesn't develop problems
at 40K miles.In the SOOBS defense it was very
stable in a turn at speed.My V says "slow down".
Please respond.
GatorGreg! - Nice to hear/read from you. Yeah, the new CR-V is a great vehicle, but it's just not big enough (for the hounds) behind the seats. They're just too lanky.
The Pilot was/is my first choice, but I'm not thrilled with getting 17-22mpg. It's much bigger than what I need on a daily basis, but just big enough for the semi-frequent trips where I need to take the dogs and two passengers in the rear seat. The 4 cyl HL fits in between. But, if it costs too much, I'll spend the same money and get the V6 Pilot.
BTW, have you seen the latest Spy article?
The ideal scenario would be a Pilot for family trips and a Civic... no wait!!!... an S2000 as a commuter car. Yeah, keep dreaming, Varmint...
Also, don't forget that the 2nd gen 'V has the new fangled intelligent iVTEC, while the Pilot makes do with the old style presumalby "dumb" VTEC. Of course, it also has 240 hp
As for the HL, it's about as inspiring to look at as a block of muenster cheese.
The trouble with the '02 CR-V is that the hounds won't lay down. There's not enough space. Swagger plops himself in the middle of the floor and Gabbie (the one with the really nice breath) stands in the back panting on the folks in the 2nd row. That and she falls all over the place trying to stand up while the car is moving. I have to attach their riding harnesses to the floor (in case of an accident) and the more she moves around, the more likely she is to get wrapped up in the cord. Dogs...
Maybe I'll get the Pilot with the RES option and get a bunch of Lassie movies on DVD.
FastEddie - So far, everyone has reported that the TSB fix resolved the rocking seat. It's too early to tell if the new parts won't wear out again. It shouldn't cost you anything, so I'd just take it to the shop and get it taken care of. There's nothing to lose.
I have to admit, looking at the photos of the trails for the Mid-West CRV meeting makes me want to keep my Blazer too. But since I never used it for off-roading the first 4 years I had it, I probably am best off not starting now.
But really, if they can pack 10 people in this thing overseas I think you need to explain to your dogs just how good they have it here in the good old USA.
but I like more storage.If you lower the tray
between the seats would a minivan console fit?
They have them at WalMart in all different
sizes.Another idea is a storage compartment that
sits on the passengers seat and is held by the seat belt.I am always throwing things on the seat
and they go flying when I brake hard.The discussion of the Highlander reminded of what
I like about it.The shifter is between the seats
where it is easy to operate manually if desired.
A 5 speed CRV is harder to find than $1 gas and
so the next best thing would be a triptronic type
between the seats.
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Approximately 0.5%, 1%, and 1.5% increase respectively ... how much for the 2003 CR-V?
What with no changes, they'll want to keep the price down to compete with the Mazda/Tribute ... I would expect less than 1% What say you?
Hello to GatorGreg and Varmint.
Guess who this is? or should I add a space before the "?".
Personally - I think the Highlander is a very graceful and sleek.
I am still trying to upgrade my wife's 2000 silver EX to a 2002 Blue EX.
Of course - I am waiting for an AWD V6 2003 HL Ltd, or I may look at the Pilot. But I don't think I will go for the red turn signals.
You may get a kick out of this - just had my second rear ender in my white "Beluga" EX. Luckily, the darn tire on the rear gate saved my hide (again). I am amazed how tough the rear door is.
Everybody Loves Raymond.
We're going to take a close look at the Legacy GT wagon. It's an Outback minus the raised suspension and two-tone. It's a solid value, though, I can get one with a moonroof for about $21k, and that's well equipped. The cargo area isn't as tall, but the area is wide and deep. A friend of mine took one to a Friday at the Track event, and with the instructor behind the wheel they passed a Ferrari. It was a track in West Va, I forget the name.
Tom: service hours depend on your particular dealer. Many Soob dealers are open Saturday, of course.
gator: I like muenster! ;-)
-juice
I did want to ask if anyone knows the difference between the 98 and 02 models in the front to back length of the cargo area with the rear seats folded down. With the change in how they fold, I'm assuming there is some loss in length, but I didn't think to measure before I let my 98 go. It is not a big issue, I'm just curious.
I really enjoy reading all the posts. There is a lot of good information.
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When we only had the one dog, the CR-V was perfect. With two, it has become a challenge.
BTW, here's a tip for you. Depending on your cargo, there may be times when it's best to remove the picnic table. When we go backpacking, we leave the table at home. The rug caves into the wet/dry storage space and our gear rides lower in the cargo area. It makes it easier to see out the back window when you have backpacks taking up the entire space.
Elisthorn - Good news. I'm glad it wasn't a transmission or ABS issue! This sounds like a much cheaper fix.
Jeep makes a cargo divider specifically for pets. Has anyone installed one in the CR-V? I don't think honda offers the pet divider as an accessory, but I have found a universal one.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=65487&BQ=
I've installed a few myself, upgrade ones. If you thing rubber is bad, urethane is much worse.
varmint: join me tonight in car shopping and we'll ask for a bulk discount! :-)
The Legacy and Outback have a big surface area in the cargo bay. Sorry, Honda fans, the Subaru Crew is going to try to steal varmint away from you, too! :-O
-juice
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Maybe Honda couldn't find a decent way to make this easy and safe. I can imagine the accident lawsuits people would file blaming Honda for making it too hard to secure the seats back in.
I'll be looking for a way to remove them though...If I have a 5-6 day hunting trip, 2 hours unbolting and rebolting the seats is an easy investment.
Has anyone ordered the tk6 tracker kit from Thule yet? I have all these bars and rack equipment from my previous crv and I am anxiously awaiting for this product so I can complete a rack system for my 2002. I have an 18 footer sea kayak that is awaiting a car ride to some big water! Anyways, I called a couple places today and one place said they will have it in a couple of days. I am skeptical because everywhere else I called said closer to three weeks for availability. What's the scoop???
I think an Acura version of the CRV would sell like crazy! Anyone else think this would be a good idea???
FastEddie - I've already sent in an application to be the "Honda Geek" for the TV game show, "Beat the Geeks".
I've always been a fan of Toyota products. I just tend to like the Honda better when they compete head to head (better value, better engines, better utility, better packaging...). This applies even in the Pilot vs Highlander comparison. It's just that my need for a larger SUV doesn't include a 240hp V6. If Honda offered a 3.0 with better mpg, I wouldn't be looking at the HL.
Juice - How long will it take to get my "bulk" from Boston to DC?
I'll have to take another look at the Outback. My Uncle has one. Last I checked, the cargo floor still wasn't the right size/shape. You're right, I need the depth and width more than height. Greyhounds are tall, but not THAT tall. I'm sure height will not be a problem. I'm not sure that the HL will work either. That's one thing I still need to check on. The Pilot will work.
Back to the CR-V... Removeable seats would be a great feature, but then you'd have a section of cargo area (behind the front seats) without a floor. The rear footwell would be an empty hole.
Making seats completely removable would also complicate the hardware and increase cost$. It has to release easily, but also be strong enough to stay in place during an accident. That would be tough to do and still allow for the sliding mechanism.
Acura version of a CR-V? Yes, definitely, they should do it. It won't hurt MDX demand because there are wait lists for that. They'll just sell more CR-Vs to some of the folks in line that don't want to wait, but would probably buy another brand.
Make it like the Open Air.
varm: the Legacy/Outback doesn't have the rear struts intruding like in the Forester, so the surface area is much greater. So yeah, the shape would be useful for your pups.
2003 Forester are arriving in dealers, FYI.
-juice
On the 2002 Cr-v if you push the front seats all the way forward, take out the headrest, the front seats will align perfectly with the back seats providing huge perfect cushioned area.......I have tried it before while the b-friend is driving and it is very comfy.....Try it.....it is great.
As you can see in this pic of the '02 model, they don't fold as flat. :-( Still useful for a nap space. It's more like a lounge chair than the true bed.
Gosh, usually I can't nitpick on Varmint's commentary, but I feel a need to point out that only those who went for '98-'01 EX or SE models got the fully reclining back seats. It provides a rare opportunity to display trim-level snobbery. Especially here in Houston, the Real-Time Front-Wheel-Drive CR-V Capital of the World(tm).
Geeez varmit is there anything you don't know about these CR-V's.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/honda/crv/exawd4drsuv24l4cyl4a/tco.html?id=lin0006&zip=02048
Give the other guys a chance will you!
Ahem. Mea culpa on the LX's lack of a true bed. Sometimes, I forget about you little people. :-b
Ssoto - What you really need is a nice tough looking 2x4 nailed to the front bumper with spikes sticking out of it. Great for rush hour traffic and those nasty NY pedestrians, too.
Geenee - "Geeez varmit is there anything you don't know about these CR-V's."
I need a way to convince my wife that we need another one. Any suggestions?
When I picked up my CR-V, there were people looking at my CR-V, the dealer was so funny, he pushed the panic button and they moved away quickly.
varmit....just take your wife to the dealership...
* engine is peppy. No need for a V6 in terms of power, though it can get loud. I could chirp the tires in 2nd gear. Definitely noticed torque steer. Felt RT4WD kicking in, too.
* ride is compliant, just a little noisy for my tastes. Handling is OK for what it is, just not sporty. Feels like regular FWD to me.
* interior space gets kudos. It's a limo. Huge back seat. Comfy, too. Some materials a bit entry-level, but it didn't bother my wife. Needs a dead pedal. Front leg room could be better, too.
* cargo space is tight with the seats back, though. We could not fit the stroller and still have room for a quick diaper change. Highlander and Legacy did have room for that. This is probably what varmint means by it being crowded for two dogs.
* she liked the shifter feel of the manual, but could not figure out the hand brake right away. I had to help, though I imagine she'd get used to that. Oddly, the Highlander took a while to figure out too (you have to step on the brake a 2nd time to release it). What happened to normalcy? ;-)
Overall a fun, smart package. Price is IMO a little high for the content level (no heated seats or leather, $22 grand) and the warranty is too short.
She passed on the Accord because she's seen sketches of the new model and doesn't want a lame duck. We also drove a Camry SE 5 speed (nice except clunky shifter) and a Highlander V6 (I loved it, she didn't, too big and "too nice" LOL).
Next on the list are the Altima and Maxima, and then comes the Legacy and a 2003 Forester it if arrives in time. I may put her in a WRX wagon just for kicks. It's too small for her but who knows?
-juice
The sales man at the Toyota dealer tried to show her where the spare was, and all I could think was "AAA, duh, like she'll ever change a tire!". That guy was totally annoying, he kept telling her she should buy the Highlander even though she made it very clear that she didn't like it. Even after she drove the Camry he pointed to the HL. The only thing more annoying was his cologne.
Also, both sales men kept talking to me, and I kept telling them "her car, don't tell me, tell her".
We both prefer liftgates because they give you shelter from the rain. But we'll see, no car is perfect.
Michael: why couldn't the P5 be just a foot longer?
-juice
Good luck with your search Juice!
Protoge is small, Tribute has too much Ford influence for my tastes. We drove an MPV but her eyes glazed over she was so bored. It's a fine van but if you want zoom zoom try my Miata.
Too bad the Element's not here yet. For a lower price, and with a lift gate, that would be a strong candidate for us.
-juice
Our choices may seem odd but she takes up these offers for freebies when you drive a certain vehicle.
-juice
1. Body side cladding
2. Fog lights
3. Side step bars
4. roof rack
5. front mud guard
all in all a nice looking MID SIZED Suv.
total prize $26514 including everything with a extended warraty of 100,000 miles.
Saw the Element at Houston Auto show, not as nice as in pictures. Looks cheap and very odd. Not half as nice as a V.
Matrix may be diaper-capable :-) but the wife found it quite ugly. The Protoge5 was cute but too small.
Besides, if she's willing to downsize it'll be a WRX wagon, no contest.
-juice
Several years ago, I realized that Houston's auto show is a second-rate production. It's usually held in January, which conflicts with the ones in the top-tier show cities (NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago), where the automakers compete to make real news.
The result is that everything that is unveiled at the "Big Four" waits an entire year before trickling down to us. Bummer.