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Similarly, a guy I work with now used to have two Suburbans. The last one was I think an '86--"Big Red". It was a four-speed. He said when he ordered it, his dealer said, 'let me tack it on to an order I have for the Gas Company", thinking it might speed up his order since most Suburbans even then were loaded. He drove it for sixteen or seventeen years, in OH weather, before giving it up. Imidazo, he's from Grove City, OH. You know where that is I bet.
It just never went anywhere in this market.
Some people are just SO defensive, to the point of paranoia, whenever someone mentions something REMOTELY critical about GM...
I knew a guy in high school who had a barebones ~85 model - 2WD, power nothing, didn't even have a headliner. I think it was a retired public utility fleet vehicle.
Landcruiser sells big in the Middle East.
Granted this is a very limited market, and the demand is helped by the Feds, who seem to love the things, but it is niche that's pretty hard to fill unless you have a true medium-duty truck chassis to work with.
Without thinking too hard, I can say that I've seen the following errors of fact:
1) GM doesn't honor warranties prior to the bankruptcy (period).
2) Mustang has outsold Camaro in the Camaro's latest iteration.
Probably a year ago, I posted that I scanned a magazine review of the Sonata where it mentioned its four recalls. Sheesh, I was about accused of espionage! (actually, that I had fabricated the whole thing and someone actually went to the store, saw another issue of the mag and stopped just short of calling me a liar). Guess what? The mag got out online and it said "four recalls".
One poster is a regular Forrest Gump as far as personally seeing recalled GM vehicles, even recalls of under 4,000 cars, alongside the road burning, beating up nuns and puppies, or whatever...but never says anything about any other recalls.
One poster has said flatly, "The 'Buy 'Murican' crowd is racist".
I'm not sure you'd see so many of the same people, for so long, saying the same old negative things, repeatedly, on any of the Japanese, European, or Korean brand make forums.
I don't think you'll see posts to that level of sheer ridiculousness on the pro-GM side here.
I think I will, and I think I know who the author will be of the next one too. :shades:
I drive my fil's 95 Tahoe and it's intolerable to me. Way to slow, and the brakes and steering are horrendous. My expedition drives like a sport sedan in comparison. That Tahoe keeps on running, but it sounds and feels like it will fall apart at anytime. Plus like most GM products of that period the leather is ragged and everything electrical has a gremlin or two.
The '00 suburban I had felt completely warn out to me by 90k. It ran fine, but the rattles and electrical gremlins, and an overall feeling of cheapness turned me off.
But Ford just let the 4.6 and cv get out of date. I really liked the cv when it was introduced, but in the late 90's I had an opportunity to buy a 95 grand Marquis from an estate with low miles. I drove it around a bit and couldn't stand it. Didn't like how it drove at all.
I don't know if BMW's were in demand.
I'm going over next week for 12 days to visit him (and Oktoberfest, in Munchen) and I'll ask him if any of that is still going on there.
BTW, that one purchase by me probably supported more of GM than yours for 30 years. :P
Regards,
OW
That's what over 3 decades of piles of S--- can do to a disingenuous auto manufacturer.
BTW, the Cruze was born not of the USA, right? That's why it works well.
Regards,
OW
Wow.
Hold a grudge much?
BTW, October Motor Trend, for those who like to report what the enthusiast mags say, agrees with C&D--the ZL1 is a better car than the latest Mustang which costs even more.
Not bad for a car it was said here needed the regular Camaro rebates to sell before it was introduced.
You choose.
That's why the Asians win most of the awards and long term tests vs the USA-bretheren. They made better products over the long haul.
How can that be measured? You figure it out. You buy Chevy regardless. Have you ever cross shopped the competition? A BIG NO!
Regards,
OW
We all know that we have some GM can do no right posters. But we also know that loads of a single poster is all "yeah? But (insert Asian brand here) are worse!"
I've had enough in here. They will either live or die on product.
I would seriously ask...do these people post as regularly to forums of makes they enjoy, as they do here? I would think that that would be normal behavior...so I guess I have my answer already.
"Wow, Mazdas are great!"
"Yep"
"So when's the next one come out?"
"Wow this one is great too!"
Gets a little old. :shades:
Nope! Never had better service for $87K worth of vehicle when I stuck to GM. NEVER.
Simply Luvin' It!
Regards,
OW
No...just like you don't shop GM. I know what I like and have had solid, inexpensive experience with, in a Service Department I know and trust. Why would I change?
I would venture a guess that I have rented more cars, on a more regular basis over the years, than you. I'm always expecting an epiphany when I rent a (fill in the blank). I'm almost always left thinking, "What was all the hype about?".
I suspect careful reading and application of the Membership Agreement would classify some behaviors of repeated posting as "harassing" with repeated posting contratopical content to oppose the general intent of the titled topic, GM News, New Models and Market Share, when others post content consistent with same. Other methods could even come under "stalking" with the repeated negative postings as reaction to on topic postings.
...we do not tolerate Members' harassing, threatening or embarrassing other Members, including harassment or denigration based on age, ... or the stalking other Members ("cyberstalking"). You agree not to engage in this behavior.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But the overall performance of the zl1 is impressive.
Regards,
OW
GM sure has done a great job to make America look weak. Failure can do that to a company.
Regards,
OW
Agreed. GM-catch up continues. Let's see if they can make it. :confuse:
Regards,
OW
When one is evaluating cars, one cannot do it in isolation. If you really want to talk about GM and its cars, you have to do so as compared to others. When it comes to the Malibu, I'd suggest checking out the Altima. Boring drive for a Nissan (thought to be expected for the segment), but the engine has gobs of torque and the front seats are the most perfect balance between comfort and support that many will ever experience. Oh, and when you adjust the front seat for a 6 footer the rear has tons of legroom...enough for a 6 footer.
That's one example of what the new Malibu is competing against.
"Yep"
"So when's the next one come out?"
"Wow this one is great too!"
Gets a little old.
Regards,
OW
ROTFLMAO!!
Looks like your balance has gone up in smoke. You's rather fight than switch!
Regards,
OW
I haven't driven a current civic, but the previous version. Honestly I wasn't blown away buy it. Though Honda manuals are always very good. I just don't know if I can get used to a small 4cyl car again. I've been driving v8 suvs for to long. I like the ruggedness. Can't remember the last time I worried about a curb, pot hole or going over railroad tracks to fast. I think my next vehicle will be an f150, ram, or silverado depending on the redesign. I'll try to wait until it's available.
(Imidazol97, I think that's a bit of a stretch.
Remember the scene in Jim Carrey's "The Mask" where he's driving across a bridge I think, and in the span of about 30 seconds, his car breaks down, and falls apart to where he's left holding a steering wheel on a seat and the rest of the car is on the ground.
I always thought that might happen to my Big 3 product toward the end of its life (between miles 55K and 65K).
That's one of the reasons you'll never see me in a Chrysler again.
One of the things that irked me the most, a huge pet peeve of mine was that Chrysler was making a lot of money off my ownership of their vehicle. Sure, while under warranty only the dealer was making out like a bandit, but after the warranty expired, the longer I kept the car, the more and more MOPAR replacement parts I had to purchase to make the car run again and again and again.
The idea of giving Chrysler a profit on every stinking replacement part killed me!!!!!! One of the big reasons I vowed never to give them any more money; don't want them to have an opportunity to make money in this way from me again. They figured out how to make money from me anyway (steal my tax money from corrupt politicians), but I'll be damned if they get it willingly.
Grudges are easily released when a manufacturer issues a full refund for the full purchase price. I might consider a Chrysler if they did that.
That is what an honest and honorable company would do.
It's 2013 already?
Even Pep Boys recently refunded me 1/4 of my tire mounting costs about a year after the initial installation. I wrote a bad review the other day on Tire Rack because recently it was discovered they mounted one of my tires backwards (with the INSIDE FACE facing Outward). The review mentioned that I had Continental tires. Apparently, Continental Tires called Pep Boys regarding the negative review of their installation, and said something to the owner in the effect of "DO SOMETHING about this, and fix it!"
So the owner called me and asked me what I thought would resolve or fix the situation fairly. I said since 25% of the installation was faulty a 1/4 refund would be a good start.
Since 100% of the Neon was faulty, I think a 100% refund would be a good Start Chrysler! Anyone listening?
I remember when people crash into me, I'm very insistent on a "equivalent" rental car from other people's insurance companies.
I don't want to be reduced to a 100 HP piece of crap when I have a 200+ HP V6 Accord or turbo 4 Audi.
I remember telling Enterprise, it should at least have a V6 as a starting point to match the caliber of vehicle my '03 Accord Coupe V6 was. They gave me a LeSabre
When my Audi was in the body shop to have the rear bumper fixed, I got a Nissan Murano V6 (that was much better). Still, in each case, my own vehicle was still far superior to the one I received despite my insistence that the insurance company shouldn't be able to get away with a rental replacement that doesn't "match" the "loss of use."
All these rentals were for accidents that were not my fault. Since my Audi doesn't break down, I haven't had any rentals lately, not since free maintenance ended at the dealership. I did get a VW GTI loaner once, it did have a "light" on in the dash, but it wasn't a red light, and it didn't require a tow truck or breakdown. I just attributed it to VW not having the same QA/QC as Audi.
My current mechanic loans me his Chevy 2500HD truck with Audi/VW stickers and big pictures of motorsport Audi's on the tailgate when I get service. It hasn't broken down either; maybe it's the stickers and advertising!