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http://www.fueleconomy.gov
Lots of useful information, including the following graphic:
With it's accompanying text:
Gas mileage decreases rapidly at speeds above 60 mph. Each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.10 per gallon for gas. Observing the speed limit is also safer.
Enjoy!
These cars aren't selling for invoice or below, like the civics are, unfortunately. But, I think they compare well with the competition, even if you compare MSRP on the CRV with the discount prices on the others.
Good luck!
The 21,700 price I quoted you was the selling price including destination charge (AT - Automatic Transmission). For the out-the-door price added 5% sales tax + title/registration fees which gave a grand total of almost exactly 23K. The invoice on a EX manual (including shipping) is ~$20,450. I don't know what sales tax is where you live, but assuming 5% and approximately $250 for tax/title then the out-the-door price if you paid invoice would be ~$21,700. Hence an out-the-door price of $22,500 means that you are paying the dealer about $800 (this estimate could be off by several hundred dollars depending on your actual sales tax rate and registration fees) over invoice. Given the high demand for these vehicles, and depending on where you live, this may be a good deal.
My father has had SAABs since the early nineties and I can assure you when you get up to 75 80 mph the mileage IS less then 60 to 65 mph. Look at your realtime mileage gauge next time you drive your SAAB.
If you know anything about aerodynamics, the faster you go the air drag grows exponentially. No way, can you get better mileage at 80 mph....
people are doing 80 +?There would be far fewer
accidents if people drove sanely.Maybe we need controls on cars to limit speed.Concern about
gas usage certainly is not slowing people down.
Streamlining does matter cause my wife's Acura TL
gets the same MPG as my CRV and is heavier and has more power.
The only response I have to a discussion of taxes (at least in a CR-V forum) is: "Be glad you don't get all the government you pay for."
How is a MPG graph centered around existing speed limit be possible without telling us which car with which engine and tramission, and loaded with how much weight?
Can you say "average"?
also...I totally disagree that the answer to all of our fuel consumption and accident problems is to reduce speed limits. That's like making kids wear giant shoes so they don't run with scissors and hurt themselves.
Well said, precisely, EXCELLENT observation! IMVHO
I agree that taller gearing at high speeds allows for better mileage. The drag force is exponential and once you get above 65 70 mph the curve becomes very steep and the magnitude of the drag far out weighs any kind of gearing. The SAABs for example are streamline, but they are not air plane wings...
My CR-V's best mileage was on a continuous 300 mile trip that didn't get over 50mph, got 34mpg.
That being said, I only drive 60 when when traffic necessitates it. I believe some states should raise their speed limits (like Oregon). Plenty of cars get good to decent mileage at 70-75mph, but maybe the Gas Guzzler Tax threshold should be raised to include more everyday SUVs and trucks. This might push the manufactures to improve overall efficiencies
Actually, it varies quadratically with speed and is not exponential.
tidester, host
Furthermore, this quadratic relationship, given its order of power and weights at each power, appears to be an exponential curve. Often exponential curves can be used to model certain quadratics with reasonable accuracy.
Here is a quadratic formula that is used to model drag. The green line is the current model and is much more accurate then the old linear model.
So the green line is the curve we are interested in.
Courtesy of Stanford Univeristy
I have a nissan altima (manual) that gets 29-32 mpg regardless of how I drive it. I've driven it all highway, all city, constant 55, constant 65, etc. It's very nice, but somewhat puzzling. The only time I got worse mileage was on a long trip at high highway speeds _fully_ loaded. It dropped to around 26mpg.
I definitely see more of an effect with the CRV, due to higher drag.
Vehicles are driven over identical driving patterns by professional drivers in controlled laboratory on a dynamometer.The city test is approximately 11 miles long and is a stop and go trip with an average speed of about 20 miles per hour (mph). The trip lasts 31 minutes and has 23 stops. About 18 percent of the time is spent idling (as in waiting for traffic lights). A short freeway driving segment is included in the test. The engine is initally started after being parked overnight.
The highway is a 10 mile trip with an average speed of 48 mph. The vehicle is started "hot" and there is very little idling and no stops.
(any transcription typos are mine)
Well, sure, you can do that but there really is no need to use a more complicated and restricted exponential model when a much simpler algebraic one is correct. No need to reply - I see your point and I have nothing more to add.
tidester, host
And how do they measure wind resistance, then?
A while back one mag had a test with a Civic HX hatch IIRC, and they achieved better mileage in 3rd gear at very low speeds than in 5th at higher speeds. Aerodynamic drag was a greater factor than the gearing.
I don't recall the exact results, but fuel economy was amazing, way higher than EPA highway figures. And the Civic is not square.
-juice
Sounds like you have a good deductible.
Greetings from sunny Miami.
Hey jsdreher, I've got one in my CR-V - it's my favorite toy
More pics and info on my CR-V's dvd system can be found HERE
We've also got a portable (Memorex brand??) video tape player/tv set that fits on the tray table that we have taken along on trips. It just plugs into the power accessory plug in the dash. My son prefers the dvd screen because it sits up nice and high so he can see it from the back seat. The tv that sits on the tray table is partially blocked by armrests and it's hard for him to see as well.
On one trip she was so into the movie that she refused to get out of the car after we got home from a 7 hour trip!
Don't forget - headphones! You can listen to your music instead of Elmo on Sesame Street.
-juice
I did not find any arrow, so I am assuming that they are non-directional. This means that the Honda dealer is not rotating tires according to the owners manual. Has anybody been through this before? Is there really an arrow on the tires that I just cannot find? How do other people rotate their tires? Thanks.
Honda is simply stupid to put a small tank in. I am going to get rid of my V after this winter. I want something which can cruise 400 miles comfortably.
JM2C
It sounds like your needs are more suited to a car, not an SUV. Have you considered a Civic or Accord?
Even though the pace is slower, you may not have to stop so you'll complete the trip in the same amount of time or less.
Range could definitely be better, though. It's true for everything in the class.
The 4 cyl Accord has a bigger gas tank and though the engine it related, it's pulling less weight and a more aerodynamic body, so range will be way better.
-juice
The fuel econ of the CR-V is among the highest for any SUV. While I can understand that it is nice to have a long time between stops, short of going to a super econobox or diesel, very few vehicles are going to have 400 mile range...
-juice
-juice
So far we have 2 prices:
1. 21,700
2. 22,320
Let me say I am surprised at the 21,700 figure. There is only about a $1600 mark-up on a CRV according to published invoice prices. Which means they are now giving $1000 off the MSRP and making only $600 on a Vehicle in high demand. Or at least it was a few months ago. Is this consistent with what others have found?
BTW I will offer one item on a vehicle in high demand. We leased an Odyssey for the past 3 years (Excellent vehicle) The residual on my lease was about $13,500. At the end of the lease I sold it to the dealer for $17,500-result $4000 cash back- I could probably have retailed it myself for $18,500+ but then I would have owed sales tax on the 13,500. So it was a wash. It held it's value extraordanarily well. I imagine the CRV will also.
So to be clear, dealers are dealing and waiting periods are much shorter? Is that the basic consensus or does it all depend on where you live?
Honda probably gets a hold back of 2-3%, so they're making another $400-600 later on.
Odyssey is a rare case where demand still outstrips supply even years later. Ourisman Honda had a longer wait list for those than for the brand-new Pilot. Honda resale is very good, but Odyssey resale is phenomenal.
-juice
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I wouldn't expect the CRV holding it's value like the Odyssey though.
The first generation CRV held its value extremely well. I wouldn't be suprised if it held its value like the Oddyssey.
-juice
My mileage will drop off sharply above 70 mph. I take a bigger hit cruising at 75 and above than driving around town.
Had to be Caddyshack!
What did the Dali Lama say?