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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Sure! You can find those 20 year-old Corollas and Sentras next to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. They all don't exist!
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    You don't believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny!!!!!! :surprise:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,022
    Sure! You can find those 20 year-old Corollas and Sentras next to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. They all don't exist!

    I actually saw a 20-something Honda this morning on my way in to work, but it was an Accord, not a Civic. It was parked behind a 30-something El Camino, and a couple houses down the street, in the driveway was a 40 year old Camaro SS. :P

    I'd say about the oldest Japanese car I still see around with any regularity is the '87-91 Camry, although I do see an occasional '83-86 Camry, too. With old Accords, it seems like the '94-97 are still all over the place, but the '90-93 seem to be getting scarce, and the '86-89 are a pretty rare sight.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    Come out west...all of those are still regular sights in my area.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...a 20 year-old Japanese car is a rare sight. Accidents and the climate killed them off a long time ago. I guess you could manage to keep an old Japanese car around that long if it hibernates every winter in a oil bath and you keep them off the Roosevelt Boulevard and Schuylkill Expressway where they can be easily killed by larger vehicles.
  • rockymtnhirockymtnhi Member Posts: 19
    The Astra is a nice car for money,but for the engine being under powered a 2.0 with the right gear ratio would be a hot seller.Also, have a sunroof option for 2dr.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    Since I'm going to be paying for all of the GM and Chrysler tranny repairs in the near future thanks to my tax money, I guess we'll all need to update our spreadsheets for the costs of owning our domestic vehicles to include maintenance/repair costs going into the US Federal tax funds.

    Since a lot of Americans like me will never buy another Big 3 vehicle as long as they shall live, you are going to have to go back to those repair cost spreadsheets for the US manufactured vehicle you did own in the past and start adding your share of the GM/Chrysler Social Warranty program.

    So even though I refuse to pay for replacement trannies and head gaskets due to BIG 3 junk, I'm going to be paying for them anyway?

    The US backing the warranties of GM and Chrysler is a PREMEDITATED PREPLANNED corrupt and sinister JOKE!
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Don't worry. You may only have to pay for any tranny failures in Mopar products. I have NEVER had a transmission, or any other serious drivetrain failure, in any of my GM cars.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,923
    Which is precisely why I'm outraged! Mopar goes with an unreasonable "lifetime" warranty when they can't even get a transmission to last 61,000 miles, let alone 45,000 for head gaskets. I think they knew all along the gov't would be left with the tab for the "lifetime" powertrain warranty (although they did provide a lot of exclusions and holes in the fine print; so I'm sure the gov't will be able to re-hire some EX AIG employees who are used to denying all legitimate and rightful claims and breaking contracts with mind-bogglingly lame excuses. AT least GM went with a REASONABLE 100,000 mile warranty which they knew they'd never have to honor thanks to the Gov't!

    What's funny is tnat AIG said they had to pay the bonuses because it was in the contracted language they had agreed to contractually, yet the whole AIG auto insurance business is designed to RENIG, deny, and decline covering their own contracts on a daily basis. They break their contracts and commit bad faith violations every day in the auto insurance business, but yet they can't break a bonus contract?? It just doesn't make sense!!!

    Or maybe it does, since Joe the Plumber might not have the funds and assets to SUE AIG and take them on in court when they do commit bad faith contract breaches (which they do every day I'm certain of it), but Mr. AIG CEO could pay for the DREAM TEAM of lawyers with just one AIG Bonus check to sue for that bonus!

    Legitimate perfectly worthy and justified claims get denied EVERY DAY of our lives by auto insurance companies just like AIG. The whole insurance industry is a big scam founded on the business principle of making contracts and then later finding ways to squeeze out of the obligations set forth.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    One thing, though - GM has been offering that 100K warranty for well before this current mess started. Chrysler's move is far more obvious and questionable.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I'll go you one better - I never had one warranty claim for any of the past 5 new GM cars we've owned. The one time I went back to the dealership for any unscheduled maintenance was for my 1989 Cadillac Brougham. They forgot to give me a wheel lock wrench.
  • spoomspoom Member Posts: 85
    boy, do I envy you. It took ten years for my butt to heal from my '97 GMC Jimmy ownership experience and now I'm not too sure about my 2007 Solstice GXP. At least 10 warranty issues with the two vehicles combined, plus a few recalls. Had maybe 3 warranty/recall events with the 5 Toyotas I have had. (All vehicles bought new, so I'm not talking about buying someone else's problems.) :sick:
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    Wait a sec Lem...when was the last time you bought a NEW GM? A lot of the time I see you talking about buying older models. ;) Kinda hard to have a warranty claim on a model that didn't have a warranty when you got it right?

    Seriously, how many new GMs (or GMs close enough to new to have warranty) have you bought? I want to get an idea of the sample size here.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    You are the Chosen One of GM because every GM I've had had a warranty or recall issue. The 2003 Yukon Denali had many warranty issues, as you already know. The only GM that did not have one issue is my Mom's 2001 BPA. Perfect car so far.

    Regards,
    OW
  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738
    Near as I can tell, 2001-2002 was when the quality took a noticeable jump. My mother's LeSabre has been in the shop a couple of times in 8 years, but it's always common items like a water pump or engine mounts or whatnot. It has almost 100K on it now and is a tank the other 99% of the time. And the bloated, fat thing gets almost 30mpg... (bit jealous...)
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Yep, it's been the best GM in our family history, which was predominantly GM from the '50's. Just got tired of the problems. Went with BMW and now Honda.

    Ditto on the BPA gas mileage which Lemko can attest.

    I will check out GM again when it has been thoroughly cleansed in a couple of years.

    Regards,
    OW
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Bought a new Cadillac DTS Performance two Novembers ago.

    Other new GM cars:

    2005 Buick Lacrosse CXL - purchased new March 2005
    2002 Cadillac Seville STS - purchased new January 2002
    2001 Chevrolet Impala - purchased new March 2001
    1994 Cadillac Sedan DeVille - purchased new November 1993
    1989 Cadillac Brougham - purchased new January 1989
    1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic - purchased new December 1987
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The 3.8 V-6 in the Buick is very fuel-efficient whether it's a 1988 Park Avenue or a 2005 LaCrosse.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    That's a good healthy sampling of new GMs. I count six new purchases...

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    >common items like a water pump

    Water pumps are relatively rare as repair items in my opinion. I wonder if the coolant wasn't changed every 36000 and helped it fail. The last water pump I had fail on my GM cars (all new purchases for the record before someone asks) was on a 1980 Cutlass. It started leaking around the seal.

    >bloated, fat thing

    That H car is related to the STS. Mine has many of the same option packages as the STS of 03 before it was discontinued in 04 (as a FWD).

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    Seven. With zero warranty claims. The odds of that are right up there with Detroit winning the next Super Bowl. He much have a magic charm or something, since he's the ONLY person I know of who hasn't had a single warranty issue with a GM vehicle.
  • sellaturcicasellaturcica Member Posts: 145
    Are we 60 days from the effective end of the UAW? When the companies go into receivership, will they not be eviscerated? Will Ford not get the same deal that the bankrupt 2 get?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Member Posts: 2,743
    Recall that Ford already made a deal with the UAW...the reason GM and Chrysler are in trouble is because they haven't.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I did not think the Ford deal with the UAW was all that great. Unless they just phase out all their USA plants and build most of their vehicles in Mexico and Canada.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    I think Ford will do whatever they can to make as many cars in Mexico. Isn't the new Fusion being made there?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I believe the Fusion and Fusion Hybrid are built in Mexico and Brazil.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    I would be shocked if the Fiesta and new Focus are built in the US.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Fiesta will be built in Hermosillo, Mexico. It has already been announced. And Focus already is, isn't it?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Mmmm, great city for steaks, and the place with the giant flour tortillas and grilled green onions (Xochimilco) is wonderful. It was about a decade ago that I was there and I still remember the meal well. Dang, I wish Edmunds would send me down there for the initial production run.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    :sick:

    -Rocky
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    STOP IT! You are making me hungry. That is the best thing about illegal immigration. We have a great Mexican restaurant on EVERY corner.

    I think that GM has factories all over Mexico. It is a no brainer for most companies. Cheaper labor and a good workforce. It should make Rocky happy as they are all Union shops with paid health care. Not sure about the environmental side of it. Though that new Ford factory in Brazil was much more advanced than any factory in the USA. I would say it is the Only chance the D3 have of survival.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    He may have cut off his Internet to save money. Or is moving to a more prosperous state. He may have just gotten tired of US blasting GM :sick:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Maybe he's running GM.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Good point on the Mexican restaurants. They are becoming the new pizza joints - you won't be able to travel a mile without hitting a good one.

    Of course the other good side of all the illegal immigration is that you'll soon have Mexicans complaining about all the jobs being sent to Mexico and making it harder to find work north of the border...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think you are already seeing a lot of them headed home. Jobs here have dried up and they can live cheaper in Mexico than they can here. The smart ones have a pocket full of money to last a while back in Mexico.

    I would not be surprised to see all the manufacturing end up down in Mexico for he Domestics. If GM would concentrate on the little bit they have that is good they might survive. They are making money where they do not have the past sins to pay for.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I make my own flour tortillas, but I can't get them plate size nor thin enough to read the paper through like they can down in Hermosillo. One of these years I'll make one big enough to flop over a Fiesta though. :shades:

    Greta Goes Inside the GM Plant (Fox)

    "VAN SUSTEREN: Inside the plant, what struck me is that you could practically eat off the floor. It was so spectacularly clean.

    It was so -- people were working hard. They loved and were enjoying their work. They are excited about the cars. They love the Buick. They bragged about the fact that Buick beat out the Lexus for some reliability award recently."
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    >Inside the plant, what struck me is that you could practically eat off the floor.

    Wasn't someone recently putting down UAW because their plants were so dirty compared to the foreign brands' plants?

    Clean was what I saw when I was at the Moraine manufacturing a couple winters back. I had to remove all rings so I couldn't scratch a vehicle accidentally.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    >I make my own flour tortillas

    I just realized while reading all this talk about Mexican food, my wife just served me a breakfast burrito with scrambled eggs and sausage (Bob Evans, Ohio) in a flour tortilla. Coincidence.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    2008:
    400,000+ Camry sales.
    300,000+ Accord sales.
    Only 178,000 Malibu sales.

    With sales now down 30% or more,
    That leaves about 700,000 sales for these 3 in 2009
    Will the Malibu fall to zero and the Camry and Accord just lose their '+'?
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    YTD 2009
    67,199 Camry
    55,279 Accord
    35,600 Malibu

    Projection for 2009
    270,000 Camry
    221,000 Accord
    142,000 Malibu

    As a percentage, the Malibu actually is going to gain about 2.2% on these guys at the current projected rate.

    Regards,
    OW
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    635,000 total projected for 2009. A third of a million sales gone. Malibu projected to lose 36,000 out of that third of a million lost sales between the 3.

    If GM loses $1500 per Malibu, then their losses are falling to $213M for Malibus. A savings of $54M for GM.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Yep, smaller company, could be profitable. You need to sell to the market. It is down 50% from the peak.

    Simple. Keep downsizing. Change truck focus.

    Regards,
    OW
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    how 'bout eliminating pick-em-up truck production altogether? If I get one more flat tire in my '08 Lancer GTS from some hick spilling parts, nails and whatever other kind of slop they have in their pickup bed, I'm gonna scream! :mad:

    There's enough prideful dorks in pickup trucks all over this country, eliminate 'em now! Survive on what's already been built. If I were to buy a pickup now, I'd look for a '64 Ford. In fact, I saw one here in the SE Arizona hicksticks up for sale the other day by the side 'a da road.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    MSRP for a base Vibe MT with air and a power package is $18,630 (16,100 with no options).

    TMV with destination for the AC and power package is ~$17,000 with the current $500 incentive money on the hood.

    The local dealer is listing 3 base models, one with power and I think AC for $12,800. I can't believe any car would come to Boise without AC (~$800 option) and they all had AC when we went to the lot last November. It gets to 105 here in the summer so you have to have it.

    That price probably excludes destination, but it's still about $3,000 below TMV. $2,000 worse case if the AC isn't on the sticker.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Great Article Steve. Fixed News, gave GM a good review!!! My cousin George works at that plant. :)

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Yes imidazol97 a few posters said that UAW workers have no pride and are dirty scumbags. :sick:

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Are you saying he's Fritz Henderson, imidazol97? :confuse:

    -Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,671
    Do ya think?

    Naaaah. I just checked the bio on Fritz. Doesn't seem to fit things 62 said.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Unless he is really Wagoner, Lutz, or LaNeve???? :P

    -Rocky
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    local dealer by me has new Cobalt for 11,900 but they had malibu for 14,900 recently and there were 2 catches. add dest charge, and turn in a less than 2 yr old GM lease. It was all spelled out in the tiny print on the tv ad. I still almost was interested but the $1060 for the bsm and floormats was too much. tested the waters on the internet more recently in march and got about the same price as in January. they say dlr invoice is 21715 on the LS. TMV says 21529 is what others are paying. still with 2750 rebate, one dealer called me to offer another 500 off invoice. 18279 was total with dest incl. It had the bsm and mats. one way to tell that they are good cars is that there is only one used 2008 for sale in 100 mile radius and it has 28k miles on it.

    seems strange that today they advertised a new malibu for 177 a month. probably a lease. seems to contradict the stuff I read on here about GM not wanting to lease cars because of the high depreciation.
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