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Saturn VUE



  • juliansjulians Posts: 42
    My 2003 VUE is cheaper to insure than my wife's 1992 Toyota Corolla. Go figure.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I'm going in to my local Saturn dealer tomorrow for service on my '03 L300. I've just talked with a salesman about test driving an '04 AWD V6 VUE - loaded with leather, sunroof, etc. I'm hoping to take it home and show the wife, run an errand or two, then bring it back and pick up my car.

    Salesman, of course, wanted to talk deal. My question is this: I work for a company that allows me to buy as a GM Supplier -- the salesman told me the price would be a flat 4% over invoice. Where do I find invoice prices for Saturns? Edmunds does not have them -- all I see is "N/A" for base price and all options. I'd love to have some numbers figured out.

    Any thoughts?
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    Ifd you go to, they have the MSRP and invoice prices posted.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Nope ... shows me "N/A" for invoice price as well. I can configure the vehicle with the options I want, but no invoice price seems to be available.
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    Your salesperson is incorrect.

    The GM supplier price is 4.5% over GM Employee price + transportation which typically works out to about 300 over invoice. It used to be 4% over employee price, but recently was increased.

    If you want to know the approximate invoice price take the MSRP and subtract 1200 for a well equipped 04 V6 VUE.

    Also - I would be suprised if you could get the VUE at supplier price. My dealership is very open to supplier deals normally but on the 04 V6 we are not doing them because of inventory shortage.

    Finally - if you come in with your supplier paperwork (required for a supplier purchase) they will actually show you the invoice and how GM supplier price is calculated.

    Hope this helps.
  • zapcatzapcat Posts: 64
    I bought my 2003 V6 vue using GMS + 4% last march.
    I saved $840 off of the $22900 sticker price.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
      From your posts, I assume you work at a Saturn dealership. I realize that you sell your products for MSRP, however; I have heard that in order to make up for this, due to such competition with other brands, because of their large rebates, etc.; that Saturn dealerships sometimes give a higher trade-in allowance to entice the deal.????? The reason I ask is because I am in the market to purchase a 2004 Vue V6, FWD,within the next couple of months. I have already been given an $800.00 add-on {bonus incentive sent to me by GM card} to my GM card, which takes me from $1200.00 to $2000.00...and a $750.00 credit coupon good at Saturn dealers or $1000.00 at Chev. dealers.
      I saw that there was a $2000.00 incentive on the 2003 Vues' and I assume, that sooner or later there will be an incentive for the 2004's.
      I am attempting to "sell" my vehicle, however;
    if they in fact do offer a better would then pay me to trade rather than sell due to the state sales tax {6% in Brevard Co., Florida}.
      Any comments would be appreciated.
  • vuefor2vuefor2 Posts: 490
    I wish I could have got a GMS price, I paid list.


    I could see the 2004 V6 Vues not having much in the way of incentives. New engine and interior upgrades should be a big selling point.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    afk_x : Do you have any idea if Saturn will pick up the new 170hp 2.4L Ecotec for the VUE next year (2005)? I would probably go for a 4 banger if it produced a bit more power.

    vue42 : There might be a shortage of V6 motors, but I have a feeling GM could get more than 50K engines if the VUE is selling that well.
  • Anyone put a remote starter in their Vue yet. I'm looking at taking the plunge as winter is setting in here on the Prairies. First 20 Below zero tonight. I have a '01 SC1. Due to some problem intereferance with something on the SC1 Called a Factory BCM, I had to get a special frequency of remote starter put in. This intereferance caused the remote start to lock up after 20 seconds, when this BCM thing did its job, after shutting the vehicle ignition off. Apparently Newer chev cavaliers are prone to this too.
    Has anyone had similar experiences with the Vue or suffered limited range problems? Even with the new 433Mhz starter in the SC1 I can only get about one city block in the wide open out of it. I have seen other remote starters work at twice that distance.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Looks like '04 pricing info is up, but we still don't have invoice numbers. Looks like all the spec info is up too. (link)

    Steve, Host
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    Under the 04 they list the following cons:

    Bland interior, low-grade plastics, inconsistent build quality, noisy four-cylinder, vague steering.

    Seems like they are reviewing the old VUE and remembering what their 02 was like. Hey Edmunds - this is the 2004 model year!

    Bland interior - compared to what? Certainly not the competition in the price range.

    Low-grade plastics - see above.

    Inconsistant build quality - hmmm I have seen 5 times more VUES than all the editors at Edmunds combined. Where do they get the information that VUEs have "inconsistant build quality"? Hey back when they first starting building these things - they had a few teething issues. That was almost 2 years ago...

    Noisy 4 cyl - ok - agreed the 4 cyl is somewhat noisy when you are trying to win the stop light drag race. Then again - have these people ever been in an Escape at 80 MPH? Holy wind and road noise! The VUE 4 cyl is only ~somewhat~ noisy under hard acceleration, at 80 is as quiet or quieter than anything in the clss.

    Vaugue steering - sounds like someone needs to go drive an 04. Its not incredibly sharp like the Rav4 but I wouldn't call it vaugue. Slightly vauge - somewhat vauge - sure - but vauge? No.

    I would really like to see an Edmunds mini-ute round up so the 04 VUE could dazzle the Edmunds reviewers with its power and smooth quiet ride. They won't even notice the "low grade plastics" and "inconsistant build quality".

    Edmunds says ...

    "informed car buyers would be wise to shop around before putting their money on the Saturn."

    I agree - go check out what they have to offer. It doesn't compare! Seriously - I haven't had a single customer come in and drive the 04 VUE and then go buy a competitor's vehicle.

    I cannot stress this enough. The 04 V6 VUE is fantastic and stands head and shoulders above the competition.

    I haven't even mentioned looks - since they are totally subjective - but the V6 VUE with the $300 optional 17" wheels (standard on AWD) and a spoiler - OOOOhhhh nice.

  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    "I have heard that ... Saturn dealerships sometimes give a higher trade-in allowance to entice the deal.?????"

    Every Saturn store is run differently. I can tell you that more than anything it depends what you are buying. Just like any other dealership Saturn stores are run via supply and demand. Try to buy a Toyota Prius close to invoice and see how you do. Try a Camry and you may get it UNDER invoice. My point? I think you will find that for the V6 VUE that your trade value will not be inflated. Still - if you feel the need - try to negotiate the figures they initially give you. It doesn't hurt to ask.

    "I saw that there was a $2000.00 incentive on the 2003 Vues' and I assume, that sooner or later there will be an incentive for the 2004's."

    Currently there ARE incentives on the 04 VUE - the 4 cyl has $750 + 0.0% or 1500. The 6 cyl has 3.9% or 1000. What the future will bring - I don't know.

    Hope this helps.
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    afk_x : Do you have any idea if Saturn will pick up the new 170hp 2.4L Ecotec for the VUE next year (2005)? I would probably go for a 4 banger if it produced a bit more power.

    I don't have any idea. My ~guess~ would be no they won't, since the VTI transmission is not rated to handle lots of tourque.

    My suggestion : go test drive the 3.5 Honda V6.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
      Thanks for the reply. I did not know about the $1000.00 rebate on the V6 Vue's. As for the trade-in part...I am attempting to sell my 2001 Escape on my own.
                         Thanks again,
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I like the 3.0 V6 so I'm sure I would like the 3.5. I just think I would likely save a couple of grand and get a 4 banger if they put the 2.4L Ecotec in next year. Who knows, maybe they will and dump the CVT?

    BTW. I disagree with Edmunds also. The VUE interior for 04 is much better. I suspect they have not even looked, they just reissued the old report.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    No offence but I never get the impression they care.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    If enough of y'all lump on them, they'll care :-)

    Threaten not to buy the book if they don't shape up!

    Steve, Host
  • I finally got around to pricing the 2004 vs the
    2003 I bought. My 2003 with Abs and alloy wheels
    and cd-cassette radio listed at $30,080 Canadian including freight and air conditioning tax.

    The equivalent 2004 lists at $30,190.For $100
    bucks more, the 2004 is a real deal with the larger engine and "better" interior.

    I guess increase in the Canadian dollar has paid
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    steve : Actually, you don't see Edmunds' books much up here which I always thought was odd. Very hard to buy though I have done so in the past.

    rocket : Price didn't really go up in the U.S. either. Has little to do with the FX rate.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I think the books are getting a bit more common down here - for a while there I didn't see them at the bookstores at all.

    Too bad we don't do Canadian pricing. Could sell a ton of books since y'all have to pay to get invoice pricing.

    Steve, Host
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Ya, we have to pay for it. Doesn't matter with Saturn though.

  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Thanks for the info. I was able to test drive an '04 AWD V6 on Friday (myh observations to be posted when I've got a few spare minutes here at work).

    Don't know where in the US you are, but my dealer had many (10? 12?) AWD V6's on the lot -- all colors. At least, I'm assuming they are the V6's because of the 5 spoke 17" wheels.

    Sticker price on the car I drove was $26K and change -- equipped almost exactly like we want it except for the lack of a sunroof. Dealer had added a few things, so "their" price was just north of $27K.

    When I bought my L300 a year ago, I filled out the GM Supplier stuff and gave it to the dealer a few days after the deal was made, so I never saw the invoice. We negotiated a deal that I thought was fair. This time, I'll have the paperwork completed beforehand.

    Thanks for the info on price and discounts --- now I'll have some idea of what to expect, price wise, when we decide to buy next spring.
  • "The VUE interior for 04 is much better. I suspect they have not even looked, they just reissued the old report."

    Hey dindak, what makes it much better? All I've been able to notice is a different steering wheel and some bezels around the i.p. gauges. Is there more?
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Main enhancements are.. "leather-wrapped three-spoke steering wheel, leather shift knob with chrome ring, light argent-finish interior trim plates and new seat fabric".

    Also added are sound-deadening materials to make the interior quieter though I have not tested one yet.

    I think it looks much better.
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    The interior is nicer looking, nicer feeling, and signifigantly quieter.

    Laugh if you want but the closest thing I could compare it to is the used RX300 Lexus we had a couple months ago. The VUE is much faster of course...
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664

    is it still:

    full plastic door panels, inside

    no grab handles
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Can't remember, I only looked in the windows and mostly at the dash and center stack.
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    As promised, here is my review of the 2004 Saturn VUE AWD V6. I was able to drive one about 50+ miles while my other Saturn (a 2003 L300) was in for service.

    The car I drove was silver with the gray leather interior. Along with the leather, it also had the 6-CD changer, the side curtain airbags, power seats and the floor mats as options. Sticker price was, as I mentioned, $26,xxx. There was a dealer added sticker (pinstripes and a couple of other things that I don’t remember) that bumped the asking price to over $27,000.

    First impressions were good. The 17” 5-spoke alloy wheels fill out the wheel wells much better than the 16” wheels from last year. Plus, I like the plain spoke pattern – for some reason, the pattern of the 16” wheels turned me off. The rear hatch has been redesigned slightly for ’04. The lift handle is now matte black with a large “SATURN” engraved into it … much more noticeable than the ’03s. Other than that, I didn’t see any major differences with the ’03 … very clean looking, IMO.

    The silver of the vehicle I drove (it was actually the sales manager’s demo) is a fairly neutral color – the dealer had lots of AWD V6’s on the lot in all colors. The bright blue and the green appealed to me. I’m not real keen on white or black, while the orange was just odd. Since the new vehicle (whatever it turns out to be) is to be the wife’s daily driver, I won’t have much say in what color she gets, but she is partial to the green and, surprisingly, the silver. The bright blue has an outside chance, as she currently drives a VW New Beetle in the Blue Mica color.

    Opening the door gave me the first opportunity to see the new for ’04 interior. I had sat in an ’03 once or twice and was less than impressed – a fairly generic Saturn interior greeted me. The ’04 was a (slightly) different story. The redesigned gauges were quite handsome – I really liked the chrome bezel around each dial, though the cream of the background was a bit too yellow for my liking. Still and all, a definite improvement over last year. The rest of the interior seemed the same as before … the same weird positioning of the power window switches (after a year with my L300, I still find myself looking for them on the driver’s door), a similar (though not exactly the same) stereo controls. One other item I found odd was that the power mirror controls and the rheostat (which controls the brightness of the dashboard and interior lights) were also on the center console, just under the center vents. There are no controls on the dashboard on either side of the steering wheel. That would certainly take some getting used to.

    The seat was pretty much adjusted for me, so I’m guessing that the sales manager who drives it daily is about my height (5’ 11”). The captain chairs with the separate armrests are a nice touch, but unfortunately my girth prevented me from using the one on my seat as it was intended.

    The engine starts up and settles into a nice, quiet idle. But, man, exercise your right foot and prepare to be amazed! That 250-hp, Honda sourced V6 just powers that VUE like you would not believe! The transmission seems to be optimized for the torque and power peaks that the engine provides. It’s hard not to stick your foot into it as you zip away from every signal and stop sign. I would imagine that it kills the gas mileage, however..

    The ride is nice and compliant, as well, with enough cornering stick to make the off ramps fun. It rides like a larger vehicle – smooth tracking on the highway, with a firm, but not overly stiff, ride on surface streets.

    In our house, the standard of comfort the wife and I use is “Could we see ourselves taking this vehicle to Las Vegas?” (Las Vegas is 775 miles from us on mostly empty interstate highways). For me, at least, the jury is still out. The seat, while power operated, seems to be a bit short on seat cushion length for me. Other than that, I had no problems getting comfortable. If I used the cruise control liberally, then I can see doing a 12 hour stint without too much fatigue.

    I was quite impressed with the amount of room in the rear seat. Even though our kids are teenagers and rarely ride with us, we do sometimes have folks back there, and it’s nice to know that there is enough room for legs, feet, arms and shoulders. Can’t imagine three people back there – it just doesn’t seem wide enough. Two, though, could be comfortable for a several hour trip.

    The area behind the rear seats is certainly not as large as in our 2002 Explorer, but for a small “cute-ute” SUV, it’s not too bad. I really like the contraption that unfolds from the floor that allows groceries to be corralled without having stuff roll all about.

    The wife liked it quite a bit, especially the amount of power. She definitely likes vehicles that can “get out of their own way” and the VUE certainly fits that description.

    Is a VUE in our future? Hard to say. The lease on our Explorer is not up until next April, so we have plenty of time to think about what we want. The Subaru Forester XT is something that we both would like to drive (though the wife is not as keen on the looks – too much “station wagon” in her words). If we want to blow the budget, the VW Touraeg has caught her eye, as has the Infiniti FX35. But, if first impressions are anything to go by, the VUE seems to be a strong contender, at least this early in the game.
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