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99% of the time even a 1L Atkinson cycle engine would probably be excessive.
"..US population.."
Yes, certain segments of the US population, the "red-neck" segment (Hi Bob, Merry Christmas) for sure, will never be willing, unless forced, to give up their V8's.
But the FUTURE has now arrived, the re-education of the US population has already begun, by Cadillac, yet.
No more V8 engines in Cadillac's future....
And it appears that future Cadillacs will NOT be patently UNSAFE FWD or even F/AWD.
Good-o, Kudoes, to Cadillac.
And I HATE having to CHAMPION Cadillac....But give them their due, I must.
Now if they would just QUICKLY adopt their new DFI V6 to the "truckster" I might even go back on my lifelong promise to myself that I would NEVER own a Cadillac.
But before I switch horses I'll have to wait and see how Lexus has implemented the AWD system in the upcoming 2010 RX3X0. R/AWD and their DFI V6 and I'll remain in their corner.
No pics of it yet. Rebates on the current 09 model Camry are at an all time high of $1500 in the Seattle area. We have about 50 of them on the ground and hopefully can sell them all before the 2010 comes out. Week after CHristmas is usually a very busy week for buyers so we expect to move a lot of Camry's during that period. Also, we have had days and days of snow with a lot of wrecked and totaled cars so people will be needing to replace their current ones.
Interior and Exterior of the Hybrid version says it will have more "dramatic" changes to differentiate it between the gas version.
And thats it....production starts in March 09
For best, more optimal FE the engine/transaxke ECU keeps the engine right on the cusp, or closely nearby, of just barely having enough torque for current speed and roadbed conditions. Downshift results at even the very slightest pertubation in the roadbed and then an upshift afterwards.
Hope the new I4 will have less vibration and "drone" than the current 2.4. Although, the current engine has been pretty bullet-proof over the years.
Trying to figure out if Jan 5 is the last opportunity to snag an LE with $1000 rebate or 0% financing. Thanks for any help.
http://www.carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=16385&page=5
http://wot.motortrend.com/6415201/auto-news/toyota-gives-camry-a-minor-makeover-- - for-2010/index.html
There is a new spruce mica, which I believe is a green. There is a sandy beach metallic, which is a darker version of the current desert sand mica.
This site also shows the colors: http://www.toyotareference.com/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/13/refreshed-2010-toyota-camry-to-start-at-21-11- 5/
What is this discussion about? Toyota Camry, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Future Vehicle, Automotive News, Sedan
I saw the 2010 Camry. It doesn't look all that different to me and while the new I-4 may have a bit more power, the mileage is only 1 mpg better. I'd probably go for the 09 and take the big savings right now.
No, it remains a patently unsafe FWD vehicle.
Thats hysterical.
Anybody out there been able to do a good interior comparison of old v. new?
Thats hysterical.
Based on what criteria I myself wonder. AFAIC the Camry handles well, I dont have any issues with it and where the "patently unsafe" comment came from is beyond me. The Prius OTOH does have a few flaws that I deamed unsafe, poor traction control that shut down the motor, very bad when trying to accelerate into traffic and there happens to be some gravel or sand on the road, not very happy when that happened. Over 23000 miles in the Camry, and not once do I have a complaint on its handling. It is what it is, a family sedan, if you want a sports car, get a frikin sports car.
I hoping that the unspecified changes include an honest center console, not the retarded tray that's there (which is really a step back from gen 5 - I own a 2002 V6 SE), and maybe do away from the cheapo plastic pocket on the back of the front seats, among other things.
Not much to ask, but you are right, people are biting on the tasty 2009 deals out there, so no reason for many to buy the 2010.
I, on the other hand, already plotting for deals that will enavitably come around for the 2010 models. I avoided the first 2 years on purpose after my sour experience with the 2002. Solid mechanically (120k on it now), but the hardware/brakes/sunroof problems sucked. Always have to give them 2-3 years to work out the issues, always.
When my wife was up for a car in 2007, I had no choice but to go for the last year of the previous gen Accord. Being the last year production, it has 20k miles on it and not a single issue. The deal was tasty and I punished Toyota for the experience on the 2002 Camry.
Before any of you Malibu\Taurus fanboys out there decide to gang-up and comment on what I said or toyota's "slipping quality": Put your money where your mouth is - go and buy yourself a Malibu/Taurus, and when you got 120k miles on it, come back and report, please.
I have no complaints about the backlit trim - strange they are changing it. I may be buying a 2010 or 2011, so I'm curious.
I hope I am not openning this thread for a flame war, I just wanted to pre-empt the Malibu/Taurus/Fusion fanboys boasting about mileage this and feature that when they never owned the thing.
I know I'd take understeer any day. Front wheels lose traction, the natural tendency is to immediately ease up on the gas. Result: car slows down, weight transfers to the front, and traction (and steering control) regained. With oversteer, you have to be very quick with the steering wheel to keep the rear end from coming around!
There is a good, SOLID, foundation for dethrottling the engine of a FWD or F/awd the very instant wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed conditions is detected.
Many of today's RWD and R/awd vehicles also have TC, Traction Control, but the design parameters often differ in that while the moderate braking of a spinning of slipping wheel will still be virtually INSTANTANEOUS, the engine dethrottling will often be delayed. The dethrottling delay will sometimes be for multiple seconds and in some cases only a few hundred milliseconds.
Why...??
With loss of traction, wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed traction conditions on a RWD or R/awd the driver still has the ability to maintain directional control. Not so with FWD or F/awd, therefore the design engineers must do their utmost to prevent an extended period of loss of traction on one of these vehicles.
So I stand by my statement, while FWD & F/awd vehicles are being made less unsafe via the specific TCS implementation they remain patently UNSAFE. ons.
Most learned or experienced 4WD and 4X4 drivers are well aware that it is patently UNSAFE to drive, even on a low traction surface, above dead slow with the front drive engaged. Regretably there is no FWD or F/awd with automatic transaxle vehicle wherein the front drive can be disengaged, nor even QUICKLY disengaged(***) when conditions warrant.
*** Of course you could, as the AAA recommends, quickly shift the transaxle into neutral to alleviate the potential from loss of control due to engine compression braking.
I disagree with you though that today's FWD cars are inherently unsafe compared to their RWD peers. If this were even marginally true, where is the evidence -- wouldn't we have seen an increase in deaths/injuries on the roads over the past 30 years when FWD became far more popular among cars?
But this really isn't the place to be discussing this...supposed to be talking about the 2010 Camry.
No, developments and inventions like airbags, ABS, VSC, F/awd and now especially TCS have helped to keep all that in check.
Now that you've had your say on this subject in this forum like you have in every forum you participate in ... let it go. We've heard this same rant over and over and over and over and over and ..... in every FWD vehicle that comes along.
We understand your pov. Not that many agree with it but we understand where you stand.
Next subject.