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I'd say coast as much as possible, do not brake until the end, while obviously glancing at your rearview mirror. What Click and Clack were talking about is for manual transmissions -- use the brakes rather than downshifting for complete stops. Similarly, don't manually downshift an automatic for stops; select lower gears only for descending long, steep grades.
"..slide forward a bit.."
This latter mode is the one that causes you to think the brakes have been released slightly just prior to coming to a full stop if you happen to be lightly braking during coastdown.
With the current day use of 6(9) speed transaxles the fuel cut procedure is a lot more noticeable.
*** Catch 22 involved here requiring CAREFUL, "just so", downshifting, just enough to prevent the engine from stalling but not so much as to be a HAZARD due to engine compression brakiing.
6 cylinder vs 4..??
Not "normal", but definitely SOP.
Google for:
wwest abolition hesitation dfg
Any driver unique driving style/habits/types that are learned are ERASED each and every time you restart the engine.
What is SOP? :confuse:
I googled what you suggested and it looks like it's to a Lexus forum. I'm not sure what I'd be looking for there or what info I should see.
Mr. West is big on abbreviations: FE = fuel economy, WOT = wide open throttle.
wwest abolition hesitation -dfg
Yes, Lexus and Toyota share, mostly, the same transaxle designs therefore both have the 1-2 second downshift "re-acceleration" delay/hesitation. Design was changed in '98 in order to built a more robust transaxle for the RX300 and at the same time increase FE substantially. But the new design had an unforeseen flaw for which Toyota has not yet been able to overcome.
Can you please post some supporting documentation references. I'd like to read up on this concept, and have never read anything about what you have described, including the factory service manual. My 2007 exhibits none of those symptoms.
I'd like to read those engineering specs, or operational descriptions.
But I'm not sure the fuel cut technique goes back to '07, or maybe just not as extreme as today. Additionally the new 6(9) speed transaxles would undoubtedly make the fuel cut downshifting sequence a lot more noticeable.
Maybe you should expect 400,000 miles from the new one.
Oh, the 5,000 mile number is probably a concession to the dealer network, my 2001 996/911 C4 calls for a 15,000 miles interval with synthetic.
Will the use of synthetic oil during my oil changes get the maximum fuel economy out of my new 2010 Camry LE? I WANT to get the best and the maximum fuel economy out of my new 2010 Camry LE. I am looking to try to get an average of 30 to 31 MPG fuel economy on my Camry LE. I see that a lot of people do not get that type of mileage and that they get in the mid or upper 20's in MPG fuel economy in their new 2010 Camrys.
When I received my new 2010 Camry LE on the15th of December it came with a full tank of gas in it, but the needle on the gas guage was "exactly" on the "F" LINE.
Well, I just filled the tank in my brand new 2010 Camry LE for the 1st time today with regular 87 octane fuel and when I did the mileage per gallon calculation it showed that my Camry LE only got 18.17 MPG on its very first fill-up. I had exactly 4 gallons left in the tank before filling up the car with gas.
I went 264 miles and I put 14.53 gallons of gasoline in the tank (264 miles/14.53 Gallons = 18.17 MPG).
I have driven the car on the highway 2/3 of the time that I've owned it and I haven't gone over 65 and 68 MPH. I have also been varying my speed to below 60 MPH while on the highway. I have been driving the car "very gently".
WHY am I getting only 18 MPG on my very first fill-up? Does my new 2010 Camry LE need to be broken in more before I see decent gas mileage on it? Why am I getting such low gas mileage on my car? Does anybody here know? I live up here in the Northeast and I want to try to get 30 MPG fuel economy on my new Camry if I can. Will this be possible if I start using synthetic oil?
When I received my new 2010 Camry LE on the15th of December it came with a full tank of gas in it, but the needle on the gas guage was "exactly" on the "F" LINE.
Fuel gauges are weighted such that they will stay on FULL for the first 2-3 gallons to give the driver the perception of improved fuel economy. A "tank of gas" is a double click off at the pump to the next double click off refill (from the EPA testing methodology).
In any case, I would wait more than one tank of gas prior to getting concerned about the mileage. I would also check tire pressures to make sure they are at the manufacturer's recommended PSI.
So just enjoy the car and you will see the mileage numbers increase in time.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
@dookie84: this will happen in the next century. Hopefully you still gonna be on earth to see this happening in America.
The US is one of the rare automobile market where oil change is done after 5000. Miles. The same cars as in Europe(Opel or European other name name for GM, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford, Mazda, Renault, Fiat, Toyota etc.). Every car has 1 years or 15.000 KM Standard on oil change; By now in Europe the selling point is "increased maintenance interval"(25.000 KM and more) and this is how car manufacturers are trying to reach out to new customers.
Now some people will justify the lower maintenance schedule here in the US with the gas quality (low quality + cheaper price) and some how those are related. But let me ask those this question: All those cars (Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford, Renault, Fiat, Toyota OK with exception {Toyota + Mazda} ) run also with premium gas as in oversee but once they are here in the US they'll all have to make oil maintenance by 5000 miles. Shame on ......
A nation that apparently invented cars. Hopefully Henry Ford is not seeing the first nation became the last.
An other example: Oversee, vacuum cleaners are really cheap (almost for free). If you go in any store and grab 1 you are 95 % sure about the quality and realiability. But here get out there and to try to find 1. The only cleaners that works are the Dyson ($400 and more) or Bissel ($200 or more). Don't even try to buy some think else because the lose of suction will happen after 3 minutes cleaning.
Same think with washers and dryers. In Europe very good quality washers, what they call here (High Efficient front loader) are available for the people and they start by 200 Euros and you can't go wrong with any other brand you choose. But here in the US try to buy a front loader you'll have to spend $1000 and more. really a shame.
In a century where every think is already invented (car, air planes, nuclear weapons, computers, travel to the moon and regarding this pretty soon vacation to the moon is ahead) a nation is still struggling to do basic stuffs (washing, cleaning)...... and they hope to be "the best" in competition with other nations where standards are already so high and well establish.
Just to come back with dookie84, Don't expect this to happen in the us market not now, not in the next century; car customers here are willing to pay for maintenance every 5000 miles or lower. Why you think or believe the car manufactures will change this? Maybe because they don't like money? or you think the dealerships will let they business go away.......
The future will tell us more .......
Unless most of your driving is on the highway, you won't be able to average 30 mpg overall. I would hope for something in the neighborhood of 26-28 mpg in mixed driving.
This must be true. Here's from a Toyota Service Manager:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Camry/message/15288
Toyota Customer Experience 1-800-331-4331
As you can see my last contact was at the beginning of October but it was not from a dealer or service tech, it was from Toyota. I would sure like to see any updates or bulletins that anyone has that is directly from Toyota. I am almost at 4,000 miles and it is about time for my first oil change. Still only getting 29-30 mpg with conservative driving. I hope I get better gas mileage after I put a few thousand more miles on the car, as others have suggested will happen.
Discussion Thread
Response (RBro) 10/06/2009 11:54 AM
Dear Mr. XXXl;
Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
We appreciate your interest in the Camry and we are sorry for any confusion generated by our office.
Our position regarding the oil directly conforms with what you have available in the Owner's Manual. Your vehicle, per our records, is a four-cylinder model. The four-cylinder is supplied from the factory with synthetic 0W-20 oil, and this is our primary recommendation. However, 5W-20 petroleum-based (conventional) oil may be used as well. The 5W-30 petroleum-based oil is recommended for the six-cylinder engine, which does not apply to your situation.
If we may be of further assistance, please contact us via email or by calling 800-331-4331. We are available from 5 AM to 6 PM, Pacific Time, Monday through Friday, and from 7 AM to 4 PM Saturday.
We have documented your comments at our National Headquarters.
Robert Browning
Toyota Customer Experience
Customer (XXX) 10/02/2009 02:23 PM
I am very disappointed in trying to get information from Toyota. After calling the toll free CA. number (800-331-4331) and local dealers I get various answers for the same question. Does Toyota have a number that I can call and talk to someone that honestly knows what they are talking about or do all representatives just read out of the manual?
I just bought an 2010 Camry LE. I almost declined because I could not get my questions answered.
1. What motor oil to use? Calling the above number I have gotten 3 different answers. 0W-20,5W-20 and 5w-30. Why did I call 3 times? Because my closest dealer uses 5w-30 unless 0W-20 is requested.Another dealer did not have 0W-20. Calling the 800-331-4331 number and one time I was told if I don't use 0W-20 it will void the warranty and then same person talked with someone else and told me that that was incorrect, manual was incorrect and oil cap was incorrect. Why can't Toyota get the info correct for all parties involved? On one call I told rep that there is a Toyota Camry Forum and you can see the confusion on the forum> http://www.camryforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5346 People at the 800-331-4331 number told me they would post a official notice on the forum. I waited a week and called back to ask why there was nothing posted and this time I was told that Toyota does not post on forums. Meanwhile we are just as confused. I certainly don't want to spend $8.00 per qt of oil if not necessary. Finance officer where I bought the car from ''Quality Toyota'' said to use 0W-20.
I need to be able to get competent answers for future questions and or problems. Everyone is still up in the air on the proper oil to use. a typical link on the subject> http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm
My complaint is not about the dealership. I want competent answers to the oil question and future questions. Note; On this Better Assist You Q/A there is no 2010 CHOICE SO I HAD LEFT IT BLANK AND HAD TO RESEND BECAUSE OF TIMEOUT!!!! GOOD GRIEF!!
Can you check, if your WIN starts with "J" ???? Thank you.
By the way, my Kentucky-built Camry assembled with 85% NA components has been completely perfect. The Kentucky assembly folks and the USA/Canadian parts manufactures did a great job!
I believe only 1% of Camrys are now sold with manual transmissions, and the SE model so equipped is a very rare bird, as mcdawgg noted.
By the way: I work for a major Tier 0.5 supplier (Magna) and I can tell you that the quality of the part build here (N/A) is different than the same parts manufactures in India or China. The material might be different (it might be questionable equivalent) and the expertise in building the parts/cars is different. Similar comparison can be made between N/A and Japan.
Mind you, I will buy it anyway. I really like it. Mainly the 6MT.
Here in Toronto, I could not find any SE 6MT on the several lots. (Thus I could not confirm the VIN).
Also, if you "did" find a brand new 2010 Camry SE that is 100% Japanese built you are very lucky. I was looking in the Toyota dealer's entire lot in order to find a 100% Japanese built Camry when I leased my 2010 Camry LE. I was unable to find any. The only Camry vehicles that I found were either built in Kentucky or in Indiana. I wish that I could have also found a 100% Japanese built Camry just like you did. I prefer the 100% Japanese built ones much more than the American built ones.
I have 2006 SE 5MT with 160K made in Japan.
I am just about to buy the 2010 SE 6MT.
The dealer could not answer and the 6MT car is not anywhere in Toronto.
I would prefer the Japanese build, but I sat in the 2010 SE automatic yesterday and it was fabulous!!!. So I will buy it even if it is not build in Japan. The car does not have a serious competition in its category. The dealer also told me, that this is the last year with the manual trany (not sure if he was just bluffing).
I have never heard this. Sounds like a dealer that wants to get a sale! I really like my base 2010 with the 6 speed manual. Nice car for the money. I can understand you wanting the SE though. It will be very tough to find. If you are lucky enough to find a dealer that has one, you may have to take a plane or train trip to the dealer's area, and then drive it back, or even try ordering one.
I used Edmund's search and found the closest dealer, which was 400 miles away. But, it was worth it! Please keep us up to date on your search and purchase.
Um... ok.
That's NOT true. Where you been boy? Are you misinformed? There are MANY vehicles that are competition with the Camry.
They Camry's competition are:
1. Mazda 6 Series
2. Honda Accord
3.Chevy Malibu
4. Ford Fusion
5. Hyundai Sonata
6. Acura TL
7. Dodge Avenger
8. Chrysler Sebring
9. Nissan Altima
10. Volkswagen Jetta
11. Volkswagen CC
12. Kia Optima
13. Mitsubishi Galant
14. Subaru Impreza
15. Subaru Legacy
Wake up boy! The Camry has a LOT of competition.
We may begin to see a reversal of the FWD manual tranny downward spiral due to VW's new technique wherein the engine will be automatically up-revved should the driver inadvertently downshift too far. "Too far" thereby resulting in wheelslip, loss of traction, due to engine compression braking and raising the potential for loss of directional control.
1987 - 1991 Gen 2
1992 - 1996 Gen 3
1997 - 2001 Gen 4
2002 - 2006, (2005 engine/tran enhance) Gen 5
2007 - ?, (2010 engine/tran enhance) Gen 6
Standard disclaimer.......past results may not accurately predict future performance.
That's NOT true. Where you been boy? Are you misinformed? There are MANY vehicles that are competition with the Camry.
They Camry's competition are:
1. Mazda 6 Series -> Not bad (I must admit), about the same price, there is a reason why the sales of Camry is 400,000/year, while Mazda6 about 80,000/y
2. Honda Accord -> the 2010 only the base LX has MT 5 speed, steel wheels about the same price as SE with all extras. To get on the SE level, you have to spend extra $2,500, then you still do no have the sport suspension (and other things). Consider that Camry does not have timing belt - saves cost on maintenance (has timing chain).
3.Chevy Malibu -> no MT, I do not like any GM at all
4. Ford Fusion -> I do not like FORD, but I have to admit that they are on the right track
5. Hyundai Sonata -> safe money buying, loose money selling, too small, too cheap
6. Acura TL -> not bad, but starts about $16,000 more than CAMRY, it is dressed-up Accord, manual tranny starts at $50,000 dollars (I can by to SE for the price)
7. Dodge Avenger -> biggest piece of crap, too small
8. Chrysler Sebring - brother of Avenger
9. Nissan Altima -> cheap interior, when equipped with similar package as the SE, the price is about 1,500 more than Camry, no 17" wheels
10. Volkswagen Jetta -> my second car right now, too small, too expensive to buy, to maintain and to insure, I am getting rid of it
11. Volkswagen CC - same as above, only 4 seats ( I need 5)
12. Kia Optima -> Chinese crap (Korean car build with Chinese parts).
13. Mitsubishi Galant -> ugly, 4speed auto, no manual tranny, sales - fingers of one hand (for a reason)
14. Subaru Impreza -> not bad, but not in the same class as Camry, WRX STI is just great, too expensive to buy and to insure
15. Subaru Legacy -> the 2010 model is much better than the previous version, about $2,000 more to buy, expensive to insure
Here is the prove that there is no serious competition for Camry SE 6MT. Limping behind are Mazda 6, Accord, Fusion, Altima and then NOBODY....
Oh please, not that again. Manual trannies are in a steep decline because hardly anyone wants to row their own gears anymore (I am a rare exception). It isn't worth it for the manufacturers to go through the emissions certification procedure to sell a tiny number manual tranny vehicles, except for sports cars, small cars, and bare bones pickups. I'm pleasantly surprised that Toyota still offers one in the 4-cylinder Camry.
This isn't the midsize sedans comparison forum anyway. Feel free to take this "info" there; I'm sure plenty of folks would love to discuss it with you.
I was wondering what the heck that square plug was on my Camry!!!
It looks so weird and out of place on the bumper, and couldn't figure out why it is there!
Great info, thanks for the post!
(And yup, my Camry is from Japan, its a 2010 LE V6)
North America 1 - 5
1A-10 United States
2A-20 Canada
3A-3W Mexico
4A-40 United States
5A-50 United States
Asia J - R
JA-J0 Japan
KL-KR Korea (South)
LA-L0 China
MA-ME India
Europe S - Z
SA-SM Great Britain
SN-ST Germany
SU-SZ Poland
TA-TH Switzerland
TJ-TP Czech Republic
TR-TV Hungary
TW-T1 Portugal
U5-U7 Slovakia
VA-VE Austria
VF-VR France
VS-VW Spain
WA-W0 Germany
YS-YW Sweden
ZA-ZR Italy
But YES, the vehicles that require 0w20 oil will be going to 10000 mi or 12 mo OCI's. I'd expect the official announcement soon after the beginning of the year.
dookie84 is right.