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Honda Odyssey Oil Consumption Problem
frustrated2009
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We've got a 2005 Honda Odyssey that's eating oil like there's no tomorrow. Where could the oil be going? :confuse: We have No indication where it might be going- no leaks, puddles, smoke etc. It was a gradual problem at first. Now, it's really become a problem and an inconvenience! The van finally broke down on Christmas eve. Check engine light was on and the van just wouldn't accelerate past 50 after gasing up while on a trip out of state. We had it towed to the nearest dealer who kept it for 3 weeks. They replaced gaskets, an O-ring, Fuel injector assy, catalytic converter, spark plugs etc. :sick: It's driveable now, but after two weeks we checked the oil level and it was two quarts low on oil since we took possession of it two weeks ago. Took it into the Honda dealer where we purchased it. They told me last year that it would take several days if not a week to diagnose the oil consumption problem. This was before the partial engine failure we experienced Christmas eve. Same day they called me and told me the van was ready for pick-up. They'd checked it out. Changed the oil. Couldn't find a thing. Bring it back in two weeks. HUH??? Ridiculous!!! :mad: Any suggestions? We're still covered by an extended warrantee for 20,000 more miles. Too bad the catalytic converter wasn't.
Diagnosis at engine failure: "Caused by Found 30 PSI in cylinder one. 130 in all others removed head and found exhaust valve burnt through." In English this means?? Thanks for your help in advance.
Diagnosis at engine failure: "Caused by Found 30 PSI in cylinder one. 130 in all others removed head and found exhaust valve burnt through." In English this means?? Thanks for your help in advance.
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For the past four months, the battery drained out without cause about 10 times including the morning of the car's seize. On each occasion, we jump started the car.
The night of the car's death, my wife moved the car from the parking lot which is on a level surface, to the street which has steep slope. Within minutes, the car stalled and didn't restart. We tried jumping again but this time it didn't start. It sounded liked it was out of gas. The gas meter read 1/2 full. (There are two documented complaints with Consumer Affairs about 08 Odyssey stalling on slopes.)
Next morning, we changed the battery as we did with our new 2004 Odyssey that had the same battery problem. The new battery solved the problem with the 2004. This time, the car didn't restart.
We towed the car to the nearest dealer, Colonial Honda of Glendale, that morning. In the afternoon, the rep called and said the engine was seized. He said the mechanic drained only 1 quart of oil from the engine. Because the smart warning system read over 5000 miles overdue in service, Honda denied warranty.
I asked the mechanic if it was normal for an engine to burn off all that oil in 10,000 miles, he said it was not. I called Honda Customer Care and discussed the situation. I told her I added 2 quarts of oil to the car when the warning light came on about a month ago and that it was odd that the mechanic drained only 1 quart of oil in the engine. The dipstick mark indicated sufficient oil and warning shut off. She put me on hold, then came back to tell me they won't honor the warranty because I added oil myself and not at the dealer.
Next day, I took the car to Norme Reeves Honda for a second opinion. They gave me the similar answer as Colonial. This time, the rep said the oil used in the Odyssey is natural oil rather than synthetic and can burn off all the oil in 10,000. I asked him why other cars don't burn oil that fast. He said 08 Odysseys have different engine and burns more oil.
Now the car has about 18,000 miles. It is 2008 Odyssey Touring and has a smart warning system that indicates that it's overdue for service. Since my first car as a kid, I serviced all my cars every 7500 to 10,000 miles. I just added oil if the indicator read low in between service. None ever seized or burned 4 quarts of oil in a month.
I am taking it in to the dealer tomorrow for the following issues:
1. passenger airbag alignment to the dash. there is a nice gap between the airbag and the rest of the outline of the dash. found a tech bulletin on this fix.
2. excessive engine knocking heard at idle. no tech bulletin that i could find.
3. torque converter lock out making downshifting very jerky when decellerating under 45mph.
Have not noticed the knocking, but either I am getting some weird torque out of the engine causing the engine to labor, or it's related to something weird with the oil consumption.
Good luck. Please let me know what you have found out about the oil consumption, as Honda says it's not excessive, yet out of all my previous Honda's, none used ANY oil.
The dealer also charged me for an oil change, as they claim "regular maintenance" is not a warranty item. I reluctantly paid them for the oil change, even though it's NOT regular maintenance.
It is good to see that others are starting to have the same problems. The dealer, as well as Honda North America both act as though I am the only one with this issue.
Also, from the previous posts, it sounds like replacing the engine may not be a good option either. Am I reading this wrong, or are the replacement engines a problem also?
Let's hope more people come forward on this issue. What a disappointment to spend over $30,000 for a vehicle that has this problem!
I am going to a different dealer now, maybe, just maybe, they will be of better help. The dealer I purchased the car from did not even know how to properly read the dipstick, as they "overfilled" it during the start of the test!
There's another thread on this same issue that I wrote previously, but for some reason, both discussions are not tied together. There were 2 guys that replied that really knew what they were talking about.
Just for what it's worth, login to your Honda Owners Link online. Read about when to change the oil, and it specifically says there's a special oil in it from the factory to help the engine brake in. If your dealer simply just "changed" the oil, did they put the special oil back in?
I was very picky when purchasing this van. I did not even look at Toyota. Bad move as you know. I am so disappointed with this issue that I wish everyone would come forward to begin a class-action lawsuit.
Let me know what happens. Maybe the others in Southern Florida (where it's cold now) could write about their experiences, too? If they received new engines, were they corrected this time?
Talk to you soon!
How do I check without bring it into the dealer for the oil consumption test? I've look at the dipstick and it is between the upper and lower mark.
I'm from NYC and it's freezing here.
Please check out the 2 threads frm odyclub. This look like a common problems.
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70485&highlight=oil
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57702&highlight=oil
I talked on the phone and it sounds like the same garbage as the first dealer gave me.I should have gone there first but the emmissions light came on and went 5 miles instead of 15 miles. I have not said who the dealers are yet, we'll see what happens
As far as the oil consumption test, you have to go to a Honda dealer. They will charge you for an oil change for some reason, which I don't agree with, but reluctantly paid.
You then drive 1,000 miles, and bring it back in to be "read" by the dealer. They document the oil loss, then fill it back, and you repeat the process for another 1,000 miles. Then, they have the oil consumption test completed.
Now, Honda acts as if the vehicle gets over 1,000 miles before requiring a quart of oil, you're within spec. So, at least for me, I am within spec, even though it's burning oil.
Not what I planned on when purchasing a vehicle over $30k!! And, it's unacceptable to me, regardless of what Honda claims.
I have not heard of any class action lawsuit, but from reading this continuing thread on Edmunds, it looks as though a major problem is erupting with Honda and this engine. Honda acts as if I am the only 1 with this problem, hence my posting on Edmunds!
If anyone does get to the bottom of what's going on with their van, please reply back. I am convinced there was an integral part either left out, or out of specification, during the manufacturing/design process. And, if many seem to have this problem, it will be an expensive fix for Honda and they will fight it I'm sure...
Let's unite in this fight!
PS ANYONE KNOW HOW LOW THE OIL SHOULD BE BEFORE THE WARNING LIGHTS GO ON? i HATE TO THINK THIS BUT I THINK WHEN IT IS EMPTY.
You keep referring to your vehicle as a truck. I am assuming you mean an Odyssey van, but not sure if you are or not.
I am thinking of taking to court individually, as that would be very costly to Honda. Also, any jury trial would favor our complaints, as our complaints are very genuine.
Be careful if you contact the BBB. I think (but am not sure) if you ask BBB for assistance and they agree to arbitration, you forfeit your right to going to court. Not sure on that though.
Finally, I am hopeful that we get enough people on this site that it starts getting Honda some press on this, and people running searches see our complaints popping up on the first screen.
From the oddy forum, many said it is the break in period that consume so much oil.
I have over 22,000 miles on this Honda Odyssey and the oil has been changed numerous times. This is the only time this has happened since I have owned this van.
My question of the hour is, at what point does the oil light come on? At what point does the engine light come on? I want to know what reasonable thinking person would expect any 6cyl. to burn this kind of oil all of a sudden with not one warning like coming on.
I am not a fool, and I may not be a mechanic, but I have spoken with quite of few of them. Frankly, they are shocked this van used this kind of oil and no warning indicators coming on.
I drive all of my vehicles with care, I never ever stomp on the gas ever, 90% is freeway driving. So to say how the van was broken in may be a point for some Honda Odyssey owners, but that does not fly with me.
Out of the my personal 10 new auto purchases, all of them were driven in excess of 100k some to 150k before I sold them or traded them in.
The break in period excuse sounds to me like another pass the buck, Honda is putting out so they can try to get out of their responsibility to fullfill their end of the, obviously vague and Cover Y. A. stance in their owners manual and their warranty and of course first and most important, on their product.
Believe me no one could be more shocked than I am at the #1 poor quality and #2 the outrageous disregard for the consumer, who I might add, has and is paying tens of thousands of dollars for their product.
I beg anyone to answer any of my questions that will make me understand how this possibly could have happened.
Just so everyone knows, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE THIS IS AND HAS HAPPENED TO.
I will keep watching for any reasonable answer I can get other than the obvious, HONDA HAS A HUGE PROBLEM THEY ARE NOT DEALING WITH IN AN HONEST MANNER.
I am 600 miles into the by the book Honda oil consumption test (requires 1000 mile) and it will be interesting as level has already dropped on stick
I will bet my next paycheck Honda will say it is normal but we still have the clickity engine noise since engine replacement at 7200 miles due to no oil and no oil light
Saw a Honda mech only bulletin about cam shaft area oil leak, and looking for more info on that.
If you are reading and have same issue MAKE A POST stop just reading and lets get this documented. If honest to Moses it is only 5 or 6 people in the US then why would Honda care, if it is 5 or 6 thousand well .. . . . Make a Post! even if just to say me too. Just saying. .
It is true if no one complains Honda will tell us to take a long walk on a short pier.
I checked with NHTSA.gov./, We need to get on this, I will file a complaint with NHTSA.gov. Honda, BBB and anyone else I can. On the gov,. site there is hundreds of complaints about brakes and doors and basically the same issues I happen to have beside THE ENGINE WITH NO OIL AND NO OIL LIGHT OR ENGINE LIGHT..
This would be a really good report for 60 Minuets or one like that. Big Corp. cheats the consumers.
People file your complaints, if you only file with Honda and BBB, it is not going to get out much. I own a small business and my time is tight, I haven't had a day off since 2002, when we started loosing business. I wonder if HONDA CUT BACK ON QUALITY SINCE BUSINESS WENT DOWN???. Personally I prefer to sleep at night and give more than 100% to my customers.
I am tempted to put a huge sign on my Odyssey, IF YOU OWN AN ODYSSEY CHECK YOUR OIL FOR NO OIL. I travel all over our city and suburbs, so it would be seen my hundreds of other poor Odyssey owners.
I can't wait to hear the next excuse from from Honda and or dealership as to why the oil light did not come on or the engine light. That is a safety issue if ever there was one, even if it did not cause an accident, if the engine seized, how about the extreme danger of just being broken down on a freeway. We have all heard the numerous stories of people getting hit and killed when they off on the side of the road.
I will keep checking and see if more people pick up on this forum, but anyone who has the time, and you find a different forum that gets a lot of attention, let me know.
Has anyone posted these problems on the Honda forum? I think there is more Honda reps., on this site than consumers, what do you think?
For all those listening, here is my story. I currnently own 3 Odysseys.
2000 w/ 245,000 miles (all original engine + trans) uses almost zero oil.
2005 w/ 80,000 miles (all original as well) uses almost zero oil.
2006 w/40,000 miles (PROBLEM)
Over the summer I purchased a used Odyssey with @ 26,000. Took it to the dealer
before buying for inspection...It checked out Ok.
Drove the car a few thousand miles on the oil that came with the car with
no incidents. After a few thousand miles on the oil that came with the car,
I changed the oil (I do my own oil changes) to a synthetic.
The car had no visiable oil leaks after the oil change.
I drove the car a few thousand miles, checked the oil to find that it was off of the stick!
I immediately added oil. It needed @ 2 quarts.
At somepoint shortly thereafter, the car developed a ticking sound in the engine at idle.
Car seemed to perform ok, but the ticking noise persisted and oil consumption became
huge after this point!
I took the car to an authorized Honda dealer.
Honda USA's solution is for me to pay 100% for a new engine.
There was no sign of any oil leakeage mentioned...
Did I check my oil weekly, NO. (Do I have to?)
Was I a fairly conscientious owner YES.
I'm the same person who drove my other two Odysseys to 320,000 miles with no issues.
I have driven @ 700,000 miles in my life and have never before damaged an engine
due to running low on oil. I check my oil at "reasonable" intervals and have never run
an engine low until this Odyssey with @ 30,000 miles.
I SURE DID LAST NIGHT AND TODAY, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
Looks like another ONE bit the dust. That is an engine to be accurate on a Honda Odyssey.
The new engine came out in 2005 the VCM on most if not all Odyssey Vans, would be my guess. they have made changes many time it will be interesting to see how much of a change in 07.08,09,10,
This problem has to go public or Honda and probably most other car makers will sit back on their fat you know what and watch the little guy buy new engines for their junk.
CHECK OUT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION---ODI RESUME ON THE 07-08 HONDA ODYSSEY FOR BRAKE PROBLEMS, 610 COMPLAINTS, 4 CRASHES/FIRES, 3 INJURY, AND FROM I SEE NO RECALL,.The gov. is investigating thank God, but I can see it will take a mandate from Heaven to have Honda do anything about this oil consumption loss until someone gets hurt or dies. Or more people complain to ALL SOURCES AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE.
This Honda is not too good for old folks, can you imagine an older woman checking her oil every 100 feet, now put that senior in a wheel chair and see how man or woman could check the oil like that.
Now how would the old folks be able to pay someone to do it for them, half of these elderly are skipping medications to save money.
PEOPLE REPORT YOUR PROBLEMS FROM THE HIGHEST ROOF TOP. to anyone who will hear, all the above mentioned avenues, BBB, Honda, Fed.Gov, try the local media and national media, only then will these crooks own up to what they are doing to the little guy.
My story is the same as yours I've driven hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of miles in my time and have never experienced this amount of oil consumption and neglect from the Corp. THAT IS RESPONISBLE.
WHAT I HATE THE MOST IS THE LIES, MIGHT I SUGGEST WE ALL AND I MEAN ALL TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST, WOULD THAT NOT BE A FUN THING TO WATCH, I AM MORE THAN WILLING HOW ABOUT YOU, HONDA.
No one has still come up with any answer to my question days ago. HOW LOW DOES THE OIL GET BEFORE WE ARE WARNED? ANYONE ANYONE FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THOSE RESPONSIBLE LESS THAN 1 QUART.
Carry on, keep up the posts, FOR SURE HONDA IS WATCHING THESE POSTS THEY WOULD BE FOOLS NOT TOO. DO THEY CARE??? WE SHALL SEE.
THIS IS NOW A RIGHT AND WRONG ISSUE, THIS IS DANGEROUS AND SERIOUS, I PRAY NO ONE IS HURT WITH A FROZEN ENGINE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, OR STUCK SOMEWHERE IN THE FROZEN TUNDRA WHEN IS IS 35 DEGREES BELOW ZERO WITH NO HEAT.
Yes, I am referring to an engine that got burned up on an 06 Odyssey at 30k miles.
Now my burned-up engine is not the VCM variety.
To my knowledge, the VCM's started in 2005 on the Touring and EX-L-Navigation
trim packages.
In addition, while this particular engine used way too much oil, I can say from
speaking with mechanics that the low oil warning lights do not come on until
there is a real problem. Essentially, by the time the warning light comes on,
you're in for a repair bill of some variety.
This is the case with not just Honda, but with other makes as well.
This is definitely unusual for this day and age. I haven't had a car that burned through this much oil since the 1980s.
I saw this forum and my heart sank. Five years of payments ahead of me, only to be feeding this beast oil on a regular basis. Ugh!
BE AWARE THEY ARE NOT THE DEALER WHO WANTED $500.00 TO SEE IF THERE WAS DAMAGE. With one quart left in the engine.
It was a wonderful experience, Buerkle Honda checked the engine thoroughly, assured me they could tell by their equipment if there was any damage, and said the vans engine was perfect. It does run very good, they fixed the other issues I had, like the door etc.. My warranty is valid, and I can purchase an extended warranty if I want that will cover everything.
I must say, when I brought it in, I expected I would have to battle to get my point across, however, it was just the opposite, the service guy couldn't have been more thoughtful and understanding so was the service manager. Obviously Honda does watch these forums, so if you have problems you must keep up the forums and go through the right contacts to get satisfaction.
I did not get an answer as to how low the oil can get before the oil pressure sign comes on, I still believe this issue is so serious not only with Honda but all auto makers, this has to be addressed.
This could happen to anyone, I did not get an answer to where all my oil went 3 1/2 quarts in 3,800 miles. The dealer told me to come in when I wanted and they would check it. I would recommend everyone to do that, so it is on the record.
I don't know if this was a once in lifetime deal, I had the oil changed many times before with no problems or if it is something else, All I know is Honda must have addressed the oil loss mystery because I was taken care of like I was royalty.
I still think the oil pressure issue should be addressed to all auto makers, it is stupid for them to design and build an expensive auto and not give the consumer a way to be warned if something is going wrong.
In my case it worked out, I guess the squeaky wheel does get oiled. I am in small business so I have learned in the past 40 years to squeak a lot or these big companies will walk all over you.
Keep up the work and I will keep watching my van and I am praying this van will be all I thought it would be when I purchased it.
NOW THAT I KNOW THE POWER OF FORUMS, I NEED TO GET ON THESE ROTTEN CREDIT CARD COMPANIES AND BANKS WHO ARE RIPPING US ALL A NEW NOSE. THERE USED TO BE A SAYING IN THE 70'S "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" GUESS WHAT ALL, THERE IS POWER IN THE PEOPLE, WE JUST CAN'T SIT BACK AND WATCH FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL, WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES BECAUSE THE MEGA GIANTS ARE ALL ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE. THEY SEEM TO FORGET WHERE THEIR MONEY IS COMING FROM AND WHO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR. WE SIGN THE CHECKS, WE NEED TO REMIND ALL THESE BIG BUSINESSES WHO THEY WORK FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Livermore Ca Honda told me it is normal when a vehicle blew out blue smoke and that it is within spec if the vehicle burns 1 quart per 1k miles. If I knew about this stupid rule, I wouldn't shell out $34k for my vehicle. The lack of concerns about my complaints just really make me distrust Honda.
I owned over 5 hondas and acuras in my life. My Acura CL-S burns no oil after 5k miles. The engine has over 100k miles on the odometer.
I'll probably trade in my vehicle after the warrantee is over and may be try the new Toyota Sienna. I am sure they will fix their quality issues by then.
Keep up the posting and do the work and we can just hope Honda takes care of their customers. I will be posting more now that I see this thing is still burning oil, I do not have black smoke however, it must be divine the oil just vanishes. Sorry about your bad luck join the club,
Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you....
Please take these (and any) forums with many grains of salt, and understand that they are NOT a representative sample of all buyers.
If you are buying a TV, you can DEFINITELY find someone on the World Wide Web who either (1) hates the TV and thinks its picture sux or (2) had their TV crap out on them.
Does that mean that all TVs will have that problem?
Please go read the threads on Toyota Sienna and you will also be scared if you read enough.......and then read the threads for other cars.
Read enough threads, and you will be walking........because there are gripes about EVERYTHING!
Thus far I really like it. I'll be taking it on a road trip soon so we'll see what I think after that.
I think the Internet is great for researching things - I do it to a fault. I prob saved $1000+ just from reading these boards! But sometimes its bad, because you haven't even driven it yet but you're getting scared away from a message board.
Take the info seriously for research purposes, but I think the biggest mistake on these boards is extrapolating too much.....someone literally said on here they believed that ALL Odysseys had failed transmissions! Doesn't pass the sniff test I'm afraid.....
Go drive it. If you like the way it drives, and you like the functionality of the interior (we did a lot), and you get a good deal, just buy the thing. If you're really freaked out after reading message boards, then
wastespend $750 on an extended warranty.The good thing about minivans, if that's what you're needing, is there are really only TWO choices......Sienna or Odyssey. So either you read the boards and decide that you might have a problem with either (cause hey, someone else did!) or you just get what you want/need and enjoy it. If you are unlucky, then you deal with it thru warranty. Life is full of risks - don't deprive yourself of the TOP RATED minivan for several years running because a few vocal posters came to a board to tell everyone the sky is falling.
Also, most people don't come here to brag about what they have, they come to complain about it. If all the people with problem free vans were to post here you wouldn't be able to find the bad posts.
I have a 2008 Odyssey EX that i've driven from Florida to Canada and have yet to need anything but oil changes.
But then for another part of the trip, it was pretty hushed.
I think it has something to do with the external wind.....if its blowing in a crosswind then perhaps the noise is greater, but if its calmer outside then not so much. In neither case was it enough for me to start a thread on here called "I HATE HONDAS THEY ARE SO NOISY IN TERMS OF WIND!" I just thought it was interesting, and if memory serves, I've seen this effect in my other vehicles too.....
I traded in a 2003 Odyssey with 120k trouble free miles to purchase my new one. I should have stayed with what I had.
I passed on the information to the dealer about the design flaw in the cam on the 2010 that was on this forum, I'm sure that hit the garbage. I guess because all the dealers say that anyone can write anything on the internet forums. I agree, except it is happening to my Honda, when I first found out about my oil use, I searched the internet for similar problems and came across Edmunds forum. I was surprised to see others with the same problem, so I sincerely doubt Ford or GM wrote it up especially since we all have the same problem with the same engine.
I wonder if Honda can spell TOYOTA, if they let this go on and on like Toyota we will see an American public go back to American made automobiles. Now the question of the hour is, have the US auto makers learned a lesson about quality?
My next question is did Honda write into Edmunds with the excuse some TV's are bad and some TV's are good? I was in the electronics business and I have to say some brands were 99% always good and some brands were not. I can also go along with a occasional lemon, but not the problems we are having that is a design flaw that has to be addressed.
So what now people, do we just sit back and throw thousands and thousands of dollars down the tube when our engines blow after the warranty? Or do we add oil every 3 miles?
How many of you have registered a complaint with Federal Government, the Better Business Bureau and Honda Corp.? I thought my oil use was a one time fluke but I was wrong. I have to get to addressing these people too. Good luck to all keep writing
2009 EX-L w/RES, 20k miles, 2 oil changes... not an oil eating monster. We traded in our 2003 EX-L w/RES that went 80k... just regular maintenance on that one too.
LOVE the Odyssey!
The troubling part about this site are for the unfortunate ones that have this oil eating problem, and Honda's refusal to correct it.
I am now at 13,000 miles, and still burning oil. I am somewhat resigned to the fact that this is "how it is", but it's still unacceptable.
So, to all those that love their Odyssey's, and are not having this problem, that's great.
The ones having this issue are trying to band together, get Honda to realize they have an issue, and step up and get it handled.
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A08-080.PDF
Wake up and smell the coffee happy Honda owner, can't you use common sense and see our dear friends at Honda are NOT TAKING CARE AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR OTHER HONDA OWNERS, MAYBE YOU ARE NEXT. Then what will you do??? Maybe it will not be oil maybe it will, let me think brakes for example. How many years do think people have been dying and yes going to jail because Toyota did not address the brake problem years ago. Well, there is a man in Minnesota who has been in jail 3 years facing 5 years more, WHY YOU ASK, BECAUSE HIS TOYOTA BRAKES WOULD NOT STOP and he hit a car and 3 people were killed. Did Toyota know about their brake problems when this poor man was on trial? I bet they did and as usual denied it was their problem. Maybe us oil burner folks will be on the road side with a blown engine and we get killed by an oncoming car. The issue is, for these giant companies to follow through with their corporate responsibility and stand behind the product they charged tens of thousands of dollars for.
We are not talking a bad TV, we are talking about a design flaw in a very expensive and dangerous automobile. I take issue with the comparison of a good TV and a bad TV, that is not even close to the serious issue of a automobile being defective. I also take issue with people who minimize the serious problems others are having and Honda wants to blame us for their junk burning oil like our engines have 80,000 miles on them. We are talking about new vans with few miles that burn oil like a high performance race car. This is crazy, I think the Honda employees who wrote on this forum should be ashamed of themselves, and I hope this doesn't happen to them. These corporations, insurance companies, banks etc. need to man up and have moral responsibility and ethical responsibility.
Does anyone know where to call to file with the regulator?
I'm Glad/sad to see that this issue is just not restricted to our Odyssey, but many others.
I've worked for Honda in Sales for just under 2 years. I've sold many odysseys and this is not usual for any of these vans. Our 2006 Touring R&N PAX ran perfectly!
(1)no oil usage---
(2) no weird/harsh shifting from under 45 or driving over washboard feeling
(3) no rattling coming from the top corner of the driver's window.....
(4) no spongy brake pedal either.
(5) No oil low light
All I can say is that right now I'm very unhappy with this van. My wife is the main driver of this Van and I fear for her and my two baby's safety with this van...
The Honda Dealerships has been pushing me off not really explaining why the van is consuming soo much oil.
The shortly before time to take the van in for it's second oil change the van had a check engine light. The report was that the VCM reported low oil pressure and when the engine was drained there was only 1 quart left.... this was at 10k....
We are on the 5th oil change (just over 21k), each time there is no oil registering on the dipstick and the engine has used almost all of the oil but 1 quart or just above that. between the 4th and the 5th, the van only went 1844 miles and the dipstick's reading was well below the crosshatching, so I brought it in.
The Dealership was stumped, They took it back to their head tech immediately and they kept it for about an hour and then the service writer came and got me and told me that they'd pay for a rental car... I say, well tell me the truth, whats happening? he reply's well we don't know, the van is definitely burning oil, we've put in a call to Honda's tech line and wont know what to try untill tomorrow.
I'm glad that they finally admitted there is a fault in the van.
He called me the next day saying that they pulled the plugs and found no signs of burning there, and they redid the oil change with special "honda" bottled oil. and told me to bring it back in 500 miles. Well I did bring it back and there was no usage so far, they say that well it may just need more mileage to start showing the usage. I agreed.
My concern is that for the first 20k of mileage on this van, it has been running on a very low amount of oil. I'm concerned that this issue will get worse as the van gets higher mileage AND I'll be paying for a new engine out of my own pocket! This is unacceptable!!
I called American Honda and the lady there was very nice and noted everything, and she advised me to call the State Attorney office and follow up with them on the situation.
I called the State Attorney's office Lemon division and I spoke with William, I gave him the story and his reply was, well after going 4000 miles or so and using about 4 quarts, is , well, slow oil usage... I stopped him right there and told him, Sir, with all due respect, this is not a 2 cycle Mower! this is a brand new Odyssey Van, there is no instructions that say add oil when you add gas!... he agreed.... he told me to fill out the lemon sheet in the back of the lemon booklet we got when we purchased the van and register mail it to American Honda....
well thats where I am now with the van..... I want a new Odyssey or I want Honda to buy it back!! no compromise.
I'll keep you guys updated on what happens.
Oh yeah.... I forgot to mention the incessant rattling noise by my left ear coming from the van's driver side window.. but dont worry it only happens between 45 and 60mph.. oh wait.. thats the most common speeds the van travels!! UGH!
The dealership "cannot replicate" BS i can replicate everytime 100%
The transmission shifts strange under 45ish it sometimes "bucks" or either gives us the feeling of driving over a washboard clay road..
The brakes are spongy but they do stop....
I'm very frustrated and worried about this odyssey..
Please call Honda and your Attorney General and complain.. Please keep in touch
Now Toyota and Honda seem to lie/hide from us brake and acceleration issues and there are potential engine oil problems.
I know VAG V6 are know to gobble oil like crazy but my Saab 900 turbo used absolutely NO oil with 10k changes even at 140K miles.
I tell ya, a reasonable used Venture is looking like a good prospect right now, nice looking van and at least I expect it to break down at some point :P
I had to call up Honda to get the address to send in the registered mail. When I got hold of someone, he asked for the VIN and said that only the title of oil consumption was there.. I'm like, are there no notes? he said absolutely none! ((angry face))
I told him I spoke with Mary for at least 30 mins and she said she had noted everything. He told me, maybe she forgot to press save.... bs!!!
Anyhow he asked me to restate the issues so that he could type in notes. When i told him what was happening He immediately had an answer for me... suspicious
I think he read the notes and claimed that she did not save them only to rebuttal the lemon claim...
He told me that 1 Quart per thousand is fine ..... i then told him about Honda's Maintenance Minder system and when each warning would come on, etc.. If the van has 4.7 Quarts of oil , But the minder shows up around 4500 to 5500 or even higher depending on driving, Does that mean the van's crankcase should be bone dry? negative .7 quarts or so ?
I then asked him, why is there no low oil light??!!! shouldn't there be a warning so i don't inadvertently ruin my motor?
No where in the manual, OR the Honda Training I received tells the consumer to add oil when you fill up the gas.... This is not a 2 stroke lawnmower, nor a Mazda Rx7!!!
anyhow i sent of the paperwork friday and i'll find out in the next 10 days or so.... or so they say..
My odyssey sits right now with a little over a quart down and 1000 miles since last oil change....
~myodyeatsoil