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The ratio of 2.5 to 3.6R has not changed since my last posting in early September. Most 95%+ are the smaller motor. A quick check on used cars ('08-'09) showed ALL smaller motors which confirms that the resell value of the 3.6R will suffer in relative terms.
Still no posts on nav experience for 2009-2010 Legacy/Outback ?!
Would be a nice mid-cycle update for the Forester (2012).
If you ask some salespersons such a question they look at you like, now what would you want to know that for? It's a fairly roomy car and that might be a selling point to those who haul an occasional foursome around. Many of the cars and some SUVs today have smaller trunks that make them unusable for that function and that probably includes the Legacy.
Thanks for any info.
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2010.html#dimensions
I have a question:
Looking at the outback and MAYBE the Forrester but leaning towards the Outback (2010 2.5LTD). I may be getting rid of the car in 1.5-3 years though as I am in the US for that time, but possibly longer....
I am wondering how the resale value is or how they hold up in general in case I have to not keep it or leave for sure....
I am wavering between the outback, Rav4 and the Highlander (which I almost bought last week)...
Any advice...(objective..not cause you love your Outback..which seems like everyone does...:)
THanks!
While test driving the Outback, the car was in DRIVE MODE. My husband asked if you hit the stick for the Manual on the steering wheel while driving, what happens. The salesman said he didn't think anything..
Well, my husband did it and it went to Manual (Gear 3,4 etc) WITHOUT him being in the MANUAL GEAR MODE.
What is up with that...Wouldn't you think that you had to have it in MANUAL MODE AND NOT DRIVE for that to change>
Second...The mirrors really don;t fold in? I did not notice that..I will have to go back..and test again..
Thanks..
So Foresters are still selling more, but the gap has narrowed substantially. The new Outback is selling much better than I expected.
Resale - if you lease, the residuals on the Forester are a tad better, though both are very strong in the overall picture. For details, I would ask Car_Man, one of the Edmunds hosts, in the Lease Questions thread.
Next month they review the Legacy.
Bob
Basically you don't get the expected and industry-standard understeer, which does probably feel safer to an amateur, but takes the fun away from a more skilled driver.
I can live with that.
Bob
So this "flaw", or design characteristic, is very much intentional.
I'm happy so long as they have an Off button for those snowy days!
Cheers,
Matt
There is indeed an "OFF/ON" button to control the VDC system.
Second...The mirrors really don;t fold in? I did not notice that..I will have to go back..and test again..
You can use the steering paddles in Drive to manually blip the tranny for things like quick passing maneuvers, etc. -- it will return back to Drive about 5 seconds after the last time you pressed the paddle. I've tried this myself several times, and I'm sure it's mentioned in the manual somewhere.
The mirrors absolutely positively do NOT fold. They are painted in a way that makes them look like they have a pivot point, but they don't. This has been a common complaint on many message boards since it was unveiled in April. I expect they will add them back on in the mid-cycle refresh in 2 years as result of the complaints. It seems that most US-built mid-size family cars do not have folding mirrors, wheres imported cars (like the cheaper Forester) do so they can fit them tighter together on the freighters.
IIRC, when the Legacy was introduced in NY in April, it was officially touted by Subaru as a notable feature that it swallowed 4 golf bags. That's in the sedan! The Outback will easily do it without a problem. There's no shock towers back there -- just a big [almost] square expanse between the wheel wells.
So what feedback can owners of the Subaru CVT give me? Does it work properly? Any performance issues or failures?
This problem probably is another supporting evidence to explain why the big 3 are in trouble. I already sweared that I will NEVER buy Chrysler again as I got a lemon from them.
It's too early to judge but I think it's fair to predict Subaru's experience will mimick Nissan's, especially since the Outback is lighter than the Murano.
There is plenty of noise from the Subaru CVT that I noticed when test driving one; noise is not a good sign.
I'm not sure who supplied Ford, but they abandoned the CVT pretty quickly.
I just found it interesting that you see (TM) all over the place when each talks about it, yet they use the same name.
Thanks all for your responses, we plan to look more seriously at the 6 cyl. OB and keep researching the Subaru CVT.
That Ford CVT experience is hard to shake. Although I must say that Ford and the dealer took care of everything getting the car repaired. It was under warranty of course at only 15k miles. I also asked for an extended warranty which Ford agreed to provide on the transmission only. As I posted, that warranty expires 12/31/09!
I am shocked at some of the posts I have to add.
I loved the new interior space. I am 5'11 and always found all the subarus to be short in front seat room, exspecially in the pasenger seat. I never wanted to take long trips, I felt cramped, so I stopped buying them, only due to the comfort.
I always rember back in the early 90's my little imprenza outback saved me in a terrible stom in upstate ny. I was 3 hours from home and had no clue what the heck I was doing except i needed to find my hotel. Busses were ditched, cars stuck, semi;s over turned and cars at hauts all over the place. In panic I just kept driving trying to find my hotel. While other 4x4s were having some tough times (probally due to caareless driving) i just kept trucking my my suby.
Anyway it sure helped. So I am excited to get my new one after 10 years of not having one. Feel bad not buying amenrican but here my thoughts.
I love the cvt tranny I thought it was pretty quiet, peppy, smooth, even compared to an altima which I had for a rental(it had a cvt tranny too)
I test drove the new Equinox 4 banger and I thought the 4 cyl engine was very loud at start off and truthfully it felt to small for the size truck.
The room was fantastic for a subaru, outstanding. I thought as nice as a camary and I thought roomier than the malibu and higher seating.
That and the added leg room, and nice ride, and mpg for an awd totally sold me.
Reliabitiy I hope will be good but I am putting my trust in subaru. I don't usually keep them more than 3 but I am thinking and hoping subaru woudlnt put a bad tranny in and risk reputation.
Over all I thought it was the best thing out there compared to the competition and it has awd and a good one.
now I do think the new interior colors with exterior colors are poor selection. I wanted black but no dark interior, only tan, I refuse but I settled in on the dark grey so all is good.
I do think the should have satelite radio standard like gm, ford, and many others, and blue tooth should be easier to get and not so much.
that would be keeping with the times.
Over all I thought the size is fantastic compared to old. The new outback was nice also but did look a little long but it has better room which I think most will find more comfortable.
It was just more than I wanted to spend and well the legascy milleage impressed me so much I just stuck with that.
I could nto even think of getting the forester after sitting in these. the leg room alone and the cvt tranny feel and mpg, how could I do the forester (not that it isnt a great small suv)
I think subaru is going to see sales climb agian because of the noe milleage rating and more room in the cars. Now you can have a mid size sedan with awd good mpg and decent room for an affordable price.
I say nice job subaru (unless it breaks down on me
I like new things, its exciting and I am totally excited to be one of the first to hopefully prove this car good!!
Im also excited to get probally 27-28 combined after reading reviews.
How awesome.
I am coming out of a 2009 vibe awd which has been totally great, perfect running, was decent in snow, but it only got around 21 winter 24 summer and had a tiny gas tank (13)
Once agian a great car, but the legacy seems like sooooo much more car and I am going to get better mpg, amazing
thanks
ill update after a few thousand miles ps I did get it at invoice (you no the fake one they show everyone now) but i did good on the trade)
It took a lot of work though 7 dealers aound state, lots of internet work, etc etc
but i saved 3,400 buck from one dealer to another with trade value. 3,400 bucks and a 20 extra mile drive and wow, it is amazing the diffrence in dealers, etc.
so it pays to shop
CR got 24 mpg in the Outback.
MSNBC reported this for the AWD model: "We saw economy in that range, with 22-24 mpg around town and 26 mpg on the highway, fully loaded with a family of five and a weekend’s luggage. " MSNBC
Still not the 32mpg the EPA got, but I've yet to see anybody review a car and get close to the EPA numbers. I think "drive it like you stole it..." is how these cars are treated during a review.
I beat 26mpg with my 266hp minivan. At least theirs was AWD.
Edit: a bit of a fluff piece. No mention of how it handles, shifts, accelerates. It was a positive review but it's almost as if they wrote it before they drove it.
Lax
Is it just a fancy aux jack (are you still mashing buttons on the iPod)?
Or can you control the iPod from the steering wheel or head unit?
What aspects, specifically?
Is anything from the iPod displayed on the head unit?
Thanks,
tlc
Info, video, faq, user and installation manuals are available here:
http://www.subaru.com/engineering/electronics-audio/media-hub.html
tlc
I guess that shows us how subjective our seat of the pants perceptions are. While the actual track numbers are not that impressive (as reported by Edmunds & CR) apparently most people are satisfied if not positively enthused with the get up & go of their OB CVT combo.
I am itching to place my order for one -- I just need to see a report from someone who has towed 1,500 lbs or more & is satisfied with the way the CVT tows,
Please is there not someone out there Subaru-land able to tell us about their towing experience with the OB CVT???
I also don't get their marketing on the PZEV. If someone wants to be environmentally conscious, Subaru only lets you do it on the base model. Why didn't they just make the whole line PZEV and choose what options you will. THAT would show a commitment to the environment, but instead, because the PZEV costs them a bit more, they put it on the car that has no options.
I'm not happy with Subaru right now...I've got two months to figure out what to do and what to get next.
cdndriver
i understand being upset about the wagon being discontinued but if you need a wagon then get a forester or an outback
here int he states we can get the cvt engine on any legacy or outback unless you get the 6cly or turbo i think
go drive a new chevy equinox with thier 4 banger its nice roomy and when your done i bet youll come back to subaru
i did