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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    As I said, let's get back to GM eh?

    Junior High was last year.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    "According to sources, General Motors Company will handle the recall on the consumer and dealership end, however Motors Liquidation is responsible for reimbursing General Motors Company for costs associated with the Vibe recall because it is the legal entity responsible for such liability.

    "Motors Liquidation has approached Toyota to cover the costs related to the Vibe recall because the defect is a result of Toyota’s engineering. Sources state that Toyota is balking at Motors Liquidation over the costs and that has Motors Liquidation pondering a lawsuit against Toyota over the issue."

    My comment is that the statement "the defect is a result of Toyota's engineering" is really telling.

    I'm not starting a discussion on the recall but I just want to point how who's paying for the Vibe. Old GM, which falls back to Toyota since Old GM doesn't have much money.

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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...my wife's knucklehead brother-in-law, (married to her oldest sister) has a Vibe and I haven't seen it move from her Mom's driveway in the past couple days. Here I thought he lost his job again, but it turns out he can't drive his car. Then again, it might be one of the Vibes built before those affected by the recall so the dummy is letting it sit for no reason. But then again, I could've been right the first time and he really is once-again unemployed. :confuse:
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Steve, speaking of GM, did the Lacrosse outsell the ES 350 last month???
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Someone probably has sales numbers broken down by model, but I haven't seen anything around here.

    Ok, Automobile says LaCrosse sales shot up an impressive 185 percent to 4246 vehicles. RTT News says sales of the Lexus ES350 was 2923 units, up 6.6% over January last year.

    January Whacks Toyota, But Sales Firm for Other Makers (AutoObserver)

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  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    I figured as much. W/ just 3 models and such a large jump in sales, you new it wouldn't be the Lucerne, and with gas prices what they are I doubt the Enclave would account for the large jump.

    Cool Beans :shades:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Ok, Automobile says LaCrosse sales shot up an impressive 185 percent to 4246 vehicles.

    That's pretty impressive, when you consider the economy still ain't so hot overall, and the new LaCrosse is a much more premium car than the older model was.

    I do like the LaCrosse, but I guess I'm enough of a throwback that I still prefer the Lucerne. While I'd hardly call the LaCrosse cramped, I just like the extra stretch-out room, and the 2000 Park Ave I recently bought has really been spoiling me there. I drove my '79 5th Ave one day last week, and after getting used to the Park Ave, even it felt a little tight!
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    -Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    edited February 2010
    New GM Silverado HD truck for 2011.

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    92% stiffer frame.

    This may be why I don't see Ridgelines and Tundras doing snow removal around these parts with a snow blade on front. They just not tough enough.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    there is a reason why for the last 20 years in this country, most Americans have had a Japanese car in their driveway and a American pick-up truck as their other vehicle

    you don't know how many streets in my neighborhood I've driven down seeing this combo of vehicles in people's driveways!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    edited February 2010
    Chicago Auto show

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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    This may be why I don't see Ridgelines and Tundras doing snow removal around these parts with a snow blade on front. They just not tough enough.

    I've seen S10 based Blazers with a blade on the front. LOL

    Anyway, considering nobody other than the detroit 3 makes 3/4 ton trucks, I don't think you'll see many plows on other trucks.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,728
    >S10 based Blazers with a blade

    Now that would be a death wish. I would think that would tear those up. They weren't built as a sturdy truck to begin with.

    I'll have to learn how to distinguish the 3/4 ton and lighter ones. I still believe I'm seeing some lighter ones being used for snow here. There have been a lot of lawn care services start up and many of them turned to snow for extra income. Some of those trucks don't look like the heavier ones. I can tell the Ford 350s.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    I just realized my neighbor on one side of me has an Accord and F-150 while my neighbor on the other side of me has a Maxima and Silverado!
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Now that would be a death wish. I would think that would tear those up. They weren't built as a sturdy truck to begin with.

    It's at a small car dealership close to my house. Looks like a beater truck that they use to plow a small lot.

    I'll have to learn how to distinguish the 3/4 ton and lighter ones. I still believe I'm seeing some lighter ones being used for snow here.

    No doubt you see 1/2 tons with snow plows, but anyone doing serious commercial snow removal should be using a 3/4 ton. A h/d plow weighs quite a bit and they are hard on the front suspension. Not to mention the stronger frame, suspension, differentials and transmissions in the 3/4 tons. They'll hold up to the abuse much better.

    Plowing a few residential driveways is not a big deal, but plowing the local mall is altogether different.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...for the really BIG jobs!

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  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    3/4 ton pickups really aren't up to the task either, unless you're plowing 4 inches at 5 mph. You need a solid front axle on a medium-duty truck to do any real plowing.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    3/4 ton pickups really aren't up to the task either, unless you're plowing 4 inches at 5 mph. You need a solid front axle on a medium-duty truck to do any real plowing.

    True, you don't see road crews in 3/4 and 1 ton pickups.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Camaros are nice. Don't like the green and yellow versions though. Maybe black, red, silver.
  • xluxlu Member Posts: 457
    edited February 2010
    Steve, speaking of GM, did the Lacrosse outsell the ES 350 last month???

    Yes, here's the Jan 2010 sales:

    Buick LaCross: 4246
    Lexus ES: 2923
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    Back in high school, someone I worked with had a '69 Camaro in a green that looked similar to the one in that pic. I wonder if it's a re-issue of the same green?

    I thought it was way cool at the time, as this was around 1986-88, but her '69 Camaro really wasn't anything THAT special. Fairly basic hardtop coupe. 307 V-8, so I guess it just had the 2-speed automatic.

    One of her friends had a 1969 SS/RS Pace Car convertible, white with orange stripes, that he paid $5,000 for around 1987-88. Seemed like a lot of money at the time, but I imagine that car would be worth something today!
  • xluxlu Member Posts: 457
    edited February 2010
    In addition, Chevy Malibu outsold Toyota Camry in Jan 2010:

    Chevrolet Malibu: 16439
    Toyota Camry: 15792
  • xluxlu Member Posts: 457
    In Jan 2009, Chevy Equinox alone outsold Toyota RAV4; GMC Terrain brought additional sales:

    Chevrolet Equinox: 9513
    Toyota RAV4: 7894
    GMC Terrain: 4302
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Just think, after the early '70s "energy crisis" you couldn't give away a Plymouth Superbird Hemi. Now, these cars are selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Heck, back in the 1940s and early 1950s, today's coveted 1930s classics were just battered old junk worth $25-$75.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,654
    IIRC, Göring's custom 540K sold in some kind of surplus auction for something like $2200 around 1955 - the price of an average new car. I'd wager a Duesie, V16 Caddy etc was even cheaper then. We need to build a time machine...
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    And the only reason it sold for that much is because of the notoriety attached to it. I bet an ordinary 540K would've sold for less. I heard old guys talk about buying old Duesies and Cadillacs back then for ridiculously low prices even factoring inflation.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    edited February 2010
    We need to build a time machine...

    My mother paid a whopping $75 bucks for her first car, a 1957 Plymouth, that she bought when she was 16 in 1965. Now if only she had the foresight to hang onto that car, but how was she to know that one day she'd give birth to a son who would lust after Forward Look era Mopars? :P

    Funny thing is, Mom didn't really like that car. She said it was too big. And she has very little memory of it. All she remembers is that it was big, gray, and at one point someone slammed a door too hard and it shattered a window.

    I do find it amusing though, that my Mom thought a '57 Plymouth was too big, yet a year later bought a '66 Catalina convertible, which was probably about 10" longer.

    It's a shame she didn't hang onto that '66 Catalina, but after she met my Dad, he started driving it and tore the hell out of it. In 1972, my grandparents swapped cars, their '68 Impala 4-door hardtop for the Catalina, and they used the Catalina as a trade on their new '72 Impala.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My Dad had two really awesome cars he should've held onto: a 1955 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Starfire convertible and a 1965 Pontiac GTO convertible.
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    those are some sweet [non-permissible content removed] rides!! my Dad used to have a 1962 Corvette Convertible and 1968 GTO; when I found out he had those cars and got rid of them I almost had a heart attack; I'd give anything or pay anything to keep, maintain, and drive those cars today then the crappy computerized plastic BS that are sold as cars today!!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,654
    edited February 2010
    Sometime in the late 60s, my mother bought a white on red inetrior '61 Impala convertible...it was in mint condition according to her...I think she paid $700 for it. I'd pay that now, even adjusted for inflation :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,654
    Back at home, now in my mom's attic (I hope), I have a pile of "Cars and Parts" and "Hemmings" from the late 60s and early 70s. The prices in those are just insane, especially when it comes to 50s exotics. We're talking like $3000 gullwings and racing model Ferraris, and they were in nice condition.

    I think there was a time right after the war when depression era "classics" were almost worthless and custom bodied high end cars could be had for nothing.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Back in high school, someone I worked with had a '69 Camaro in a green that looked similar to the one in that pic. I wonder if it's a re-issue of the same green?

    I never liked greens on Camaros, Firebirds. Now, there was a dark green that Steve McQueen had on his 67-68 Mustang fastback in Bullitt. Think that that was about the best color for those fastbacks. And, the bad guys in Bullitt had toughest color on Dodge Charger, black. Was sinister, but had wimpy wheels/tires. McQueen had proper wheels/tires.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    I think that 9500 figure came awful close to the CR-V as well.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    And, the bad guys in Bullitt had toughest color on Dodge Charger, black. Was sinister, but had wimpy wheels/tires. McQueen had proper wheels/tires.

    Yeah, they had to do that, to make the cars more evenly matched. That Charger was pretty much bone stock, but the Mustang had to be built up considerably to match its performance.

    I thought the green on my coworker's old Camaro looked okay. According to this 1969 Chevy paint chart, it was the Rally Green Poly

    I don't think that color would look good on a full-sized car or a more workaday-type sedan, but I think on something like a Camaro, or maybe a Chevelle hardtop, it would look decent. Personally, I like the more silvery greens though, or the darker emerald or forest-type greens.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Yes, CR-V sold 9,672. Very strong for the Chevy!

    So, add the Terrain sales and it bests CR-V sales in January.

    Nice!

    Regards,
    OW
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Yeah, but those '30s classics would have been 15-20 years old and thoroughly clapped out by then. Cars back then just didn't hold up to steady use. Buying a cheap Caddy then was basically the equivalent of buying a miled-up '90s V12 MB or BMW these days.
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    yeah over on the Toyota mend forum I have those figures posted for last months sales; I think the CR-V just beat out the Equinox by a few dozen units; that saying something for GM! the Equinox has come along way since its debut!
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Oh we plow all our big car lots at the dealership with a 3/4 or 1 ton. Usually dodges as we have a dodge dealership and they all have solid axles. They do fine and we are plowing a lot more then 4 inches. True if you are going to be plowing actually roads then you need something heavier duty but just drive ways a 3/4 ton is fine and half ton would probably work if you were careful.

    My boss used to plow driveways on the side when he had his shop and he usually did it in a Ranger, Tacoma or Bronco II.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,109
    used to come around and plow our driveways with an old Willys Jeep! He had a Chevy 350 under the hood. I did a little plowing of the unconventional type last weekend with my '85 Silverado. That consisted of getting it out on the road after I dug it out, and bashing out some of the snowbanks around the entrance to the driveway, mailbox, etc. Kinda fun, until I tried backing down my driveway and accidentally went off and into the snow piled high on the side, and got stuck. :blush:
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Darker forest green ok. Looks good on last gen and current gen Mustang Bullitt offerings. Don't know about a Camaro. Medium/dark green was a popular color on 67/68 Firebirds. Had a red 68 Firebird 400 and never in my life was I stopped as much by cops, mostly nonsense stuff. Never had a red car since. Something about red sporty, sports cars and cops.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Nice!!!! :shades: Did you here about the guy in Florida, who crashed his Tundra into the showroom claiming his accelerator was stuck??? :blush: True Story!!!! My dad being the smart [non-permissible content removed] he is pulls off to the side of the road whenever he see's a Toyota, yelling Watch Out it's one of those Toyota's along with a few curse words saying how the driver is going to kill someone!!! :P

    -Rocky
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    I hope your just kidding about what your Dad does? if not, that is a pretty stupid thing to do, he'll cause an accident at some point!

    you guys must take hours to get to our destinations if your do that for every Toyota, considering the millions upon millions of them on the road, you must have to constantly pull over ;)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    edited February 2010
    I hope your just kidding about what your Dad does? if not, that is a pretty stupid thing to do, he'll cause an accident at some point!

    Dad lives in a very small town where there isn't hardly any traffic and hardly goes anywhere. ;) If we caused a accident involving one well we could say the brake pedal wasn't working on the yota!!!! :P

    you guys must take hours to get to our destinations if your do that for every Toyota, considering the millions upon millions of them on the road, you must have to constantly pull over

    Not as common in Michigan (Thank-God) as other parts of the country!!!! :D

    -Rocky
  • smarty666smarty666 Member Posts: 1,503
    lol!!! :P :)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    :P

    -Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I wonder how well one of those old WWII-style Dodge Power Wagons would've done snow-plowing duties?
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think quite well. Weren't they initially developed for the military?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    They pretty much were the WWII Dodge military truck with a few of the details rearranged:
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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    edited February 2010
    Did GM, making anything like that back in the day, lemko???

    -Rocky
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