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http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109278/worst-made-cars-on-the-road?- mod=family-home
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I have a 2010 Highlander and I have not been notified about any recalls. Maybe because it was Made in Japan.
I called Toyota and gave them the VIN just to be certain.
Anyway, how about cleaning up the list? Accuracy is important.
John
Edmunds says "If your vehicle is on the Toyota recall list, locate your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and check with a Toyota dealer to see if your vehicle is affected."
Here's the official list from Toyota:
Recall Information
http://thesafetyrecord.safetyresearch.net/2010/04/12/toyota-sudden-acceleration-- the-story-unfolds/
During two weeks of Congressional hearings, U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood declared that he would be “getting into the weeds” on the electronic causes of sudden unintended acceleration. And, in late March, the agency announced that it was launching two new investigations. The National Academy of Sciences would be heading a 15-month inquiry into sudden unintended acceleration and automotive electronic vehicle controls. The study will focus on mechanical, human and electronic causes. The agency also launched a separate probe to specifically study sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles with help from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, to look at software, hardware, electronics and hazard analysis. A third investigation, conducted by the DOT’s Inspector General, will examine NHTSA’s past eight investigations to determine if they were properly conducted. The agency also has been consulting with outside electromagnetic interference experts from Great Britain, Keith Armstrong, whose specialty is EMI, and Antony Anderson, an electrical forensic engineer, on the possibility of EMI to Toyota’s electronic throttle system.
it does make you wonder if anyone thought of entering the additional weight or horsepower of the GX into the virtual stability control test program.
That was my point, the list is not accurate and it's at the top of every page. It does not say "Some 2010 Highlanders" as it should. How about cleaning it up to make it accurate?
Or doesn't accuracy matter?
beachfish
Toyota dealers are clueless about what is and is not being recalled. Better to have 2010 Highlander on the list and find out it is not one of the defective vehicles than the other way around. My Toyota dealer called me to bring in my 2007 Sequoia for the recall. I asked him what was being done. After 5 minutes of research he returned and said false alarm. He was wanting me to make an appointment to come in. 40 miles each way would have been wasted. Do you think he would have filled my tank for the trouble? Toyota customer service is near the bottom of the heap.
First off, a few caveats - I'm an Engineer, and have approached this in a typical engineering fashion. I'm not an automotive engineer, but I did do quit a bit of MechE studies and earn my living as a Software Engineer, and I've got a pretty good handle on both the mechanical and electrical diagnostics. In addition to the Prius, which my daughter drives, we've got a VW Bora, an Audi Q7 and a Porsche 996, and I'm constantly tinkering with all of our cars to find out what makes them tick and how to make them tick better.
On Saturday, 24 April 2010, my daughter was driving over Hwy 17 to Santa Cruz, CA when she rounded a corner and executed a panic brake due to completely stopped traffic. She was able to keep the car under control and avoid collision. ABS likely was engaged. It's likely that the Stroke Sensor failed at this point. One or more calipers continued to be engaged after she stopped stepping on the brake pedal. She drove another several miles in this state, and experienced brake fade when she tried to come to a stop at a traffic light. When she finally pressed fully on the brake pedal, secondary braking was engaged and the wheels locked. She fishtailed, but was able to maintain control of the vehicle and avoid collision. She immediately parked and called me. Vehicle was towed to nearest Toyota dealer. Diagnostics indicated a DTC C1247 Stroke Sensor Malfunction, but upon electrical reset all mechanical functions resumed normally.
Brake failures are pretty frightening, especially when it's your inexperienced teenage kid behind the wheel. However, I suspect that failures of this nature are fairly endemic to all regenerative braking systems. No extent of mechanical controls would be capable of balancing the engine and brakes, so you've got to trust these things to a computer. And I can guarantee you that all software has bugs, especially around edge conditions. It's simply impossible to test for everything, all you can do is document and learn from your field data.
That being said, I would certainly hope that these situations have been heeded and improved by Toyota. I'm reading stuff here that's five years old, which what appear to be ample field reports. Toyota needs to step up to the plate and take immediate action on this stuff, and stop dismissing it as Edmunds/GM propoganda.
Thanks for the info.
And where are all of the wrecks that were predicted? Are folks just not reporting them? BWAAHAHAHA. After the first few dubious reports were exposed the stories began drying up.
i would like to buy 2011 camry LE. please can anyone in this forum throw some light on what toyota did to fix the issues it had in earlier models. personally i like toyota cars but i am skeptical about the whole recall issue.
thank u
sandy
there are plenty more. let me know if you want me to post them.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Toyota has been guilty of ignoring, denying, stonewalling, etc., most of the major problems that have occured in their cars over the last several years. Type in Toyota V6 VVTi Oil Line Scandal on Google to read about another can of worms.
By the way, I own a 2007 Avalon with the replaced metal VVTi oil line and no other issues to date. Probably the best car I have ever owned!
It's shorter, and there's a little "backswing" under there I guess to prevent floor mats getting hooked on it?
See below for the pics
Here is a pic of my pedal BEFORE the mod:
And AFTER the mod:
So it's shorter, and there's a little "backswing" under there I guess to prevent floor mats getting hooked on it?
Huh? Did you even look at the link you posted? I asked why the onslaught of problems has more or less dried up and you post a link to a NOVEMBER crash?
"The November crash of a speeding Toyota Highlander in New Hampshire killed a Harvard professor, his wife and mother, and another motorist."
Try again if you like, but my point is valid. Out of the millions of recalled Toyotas on the road, there doesn't appear to be very many problems at all; especially considering all of the hand wringing and wailing and the way the stories were popping up everytime somebody wrecked a Toyota.
John
" May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp., the world’s largest carmaker, rose the most in more than two weeks in Tokyo trading after forecasting profit will increase this fiscal year on recovering U.S. sales.
Toyota gained 2.7 percent, the most since April 26, to close at 3,590 yen. Net income may rise 48 percent to 310 billion yen ($3.3 billion) in the period ending March 31, the company said in a statement after the market closed yesterday.
“I see this estimate as a minimum,” said Mamoru Kato, a Nagoya, Japan-based analyst at Tokai Tokyo Research Center with a “neutral” rating on Toyota’s shares. The company’s profit from China is growing, and it estimated domestic sales “conservatively,” he said.
Toyota’s sales in North America, its biggest market, may climb 1.5 percent this fiscal year to 2.13 million vehicles, the Toyota City, Japan-based company said in the statement. The carmaker’s U.S. sales rose 24 percent in April as incentives buoyed demand for Corolla cars and Prius hybrids, easing the impact of recalls of about 8 million vehicles worldwide for defects linked to unintended acceleration.
The company posted net income of 112 billion yen for the fourth quarter ended March 31, compared with a loss of 766 billion yen a year earlier. Toyota was projected to post a 48.3 billion yen profit, based on the average of four analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Sales rose 49 percent to 5.28 trillion yen.
The carmaker’s U.S. sales dropped 20 percent in 2009 as industrywide deliveries slumped 21 percent to 10.4 million, the lowest level since 1982. Toyota boosted sales in the nation 41 percent in March, the final month of the company’s fiscal year, after adding discounts across its lineup.
Toyota estimated sales in Japan, its second-biggest market, will drop 11 percent this fiscal year to 1.92 million, while deliveries in other Asian countries will rise 11 percent to 1.09 million.
For your own info, stop at the neighborhood garage, not a dealership, and ask the mechanics. Also, resale value of used models is a great indicator, i.e., the free market telling you what they're worth.
Toyota could have said that,nes pas?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
never thought I would buy this "final" replacement, But I got a used, (2008) but loaded Subaru wagon...I mean like 23,000 very lightly used (even decent quality and still with what is left of its warranty.
I have never owned a Subaru before, but it actually had some character left!!!! It actually felt tight and felt like a "new car" AGAIN (a 4 banger as well) This thing was really TIGHT. 170 hp,normal transmission, standard single disk, power everything, but none of the new "contraptions that could go wrong.
The deal was done in 30 minutes, and I actually found Nothing on the "Do bill", NO extra layers of sales and managers, etc and it even had brand new new titr
After much soul searching and all the letters back and forth from Toyota, I just decided to dump it! THIS IS BY NO MEANS A COMPLETE DUMP ON THE COROLLA BUT RATHER A PERSON WHO HAS JUST HAD ENOUGH OF THE BAD COMMUNICATION BESIDES THE PROBLEMS ALREADY GONE INTO DEPTH HERE.
Mind you, I had none of the sticky pedal, floormat issues and then"other accelerator and terrible steering problems where a good stiff wind would just about knock you over stuff.
Woke up with "the final straw" and took the 09 XLE out for what was to be its last ride under my ownership....Flame me if you will but here it comes.......I bought a USED (2008...light mileage) regular automatic, but loaded Subaru Outback!!! :shades:
NO dents, noises, salesmen waiting for me etc....like the good ole days!!! :surprise: :surprise: :surprise:
Final words....I will finally have an AWD again FINALLY!!!! And an ole fashioned (if you will) Boxer 170 hp engine..It actually frlt like a car again!....and It is paid for too!
I EVEN KNOW HOW TO PUT A GAS PEDAL, AND FLOOR MATS ETC....1ST WEEK OF THE MONTH, car with lots of recalls etc etc,,,,wish me well PLEASE!!!!!...Good luck to you all!
now that toyota has jumped all in on the incentive train, future resale values may not be what they have been in the past.
Done.
Over.
Never comin' back.
For me. No Toyota 'Auto Haiku' at this time is even required to parlay those thoughts, car-freaks.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
How many independent car leasing and rental companies are now going to take a bath when those leases end or the reantal companies want rid themselves of yesterday's stock..?
Anyone own stock in Toyota's leasing arm..?
I do not think Toyota is doomed by any stretch!!!!, and I never even had looked at a Subaru (I live where I need 4 wheel drive too!) The more I read recently and the more I studied...This has always been a Toyota town, and like many others, I bought based mostly on word of mouth, sheer numbers of Toys, and what appeared to be good fitment and great mileage( I do not panic easily at my age, but $4 per gal gas wituh the thought of $7 looming even more.!!!! (I was and am am WRONG!)
it seemed like the Outback was for me. Subaru has been around forever, and seem to concentrate more on refinement of their current models, than on making them fancy and putting less into the engineering. (AND THEY MAKE EM MORE $$ AS WELL!!!)
I always had an AWD or 4x4 until a couple of years ago when the panic of $4+ gas set in! lets just say that I am not a youngster anymore and style does not interest me anymore....I am after reliability more bang for the buck, and of course, I learned my lesson this past year without having AWD (Bad winter here too!).
The "stigma" of buying a couple of years old, but with low miles, has long since departed this buyer! :sick: hell, a 2 yr old Outback with less than 24k miles is just getting btoken in IMHO: LOL
Not any more. I will never ever take a serious look at a Toyota product again. I don't trust them, I wouldn't want to eat Taco Salad with them and I wouldn't want to talk automobiles with them.
Toyota engineers are not car enthusiasts like Mitsubishi engineers. Don't believe me? Look at the Lancer GTS I own, look at any year EVO and tell me with a straight face that those Mitsubishi engineers didn't have fun designing that superior product to Toyota.
Toyota is doomed. Just like the LA Lakers in the NBA playoffs this year. Gone.
Done. Over with. Distress sale. Fire sale. Over.
Out.
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS That's what I'm talkin' about
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Here is another case where a toyota went berserk and guess what folks, putting the gear into NEUTRAL DID NOTHING ! Wow ! Thats absolutely SCARY ! Worse than playing Russian Roulette ! :
Read this article :
http://www.lohud.com/article/20100422/NEWS02/4220418/1018
Quote "....I was making a left turn, going 10 mph, and all of a sudden the car just accelerated. We hit one of the dividers, became airborne and landed on top of two cars," Rocco Doino said this morning. He said he had no control of the car. The rpm's "jumped" all the way up, way over the two to three you see in normal driving, he said. Throwing the car into neutral did nothing, he said.
"You can't imagine the sound of the motor going so fast," his wife, 74, said. " unquote.
Pay attention to the words " throwing the car into neutral DID NOTHING ".
I really suspect its a toyota electronic matter, where like our computers, when it hangs or misbehaved, pressing anything on the keyboard have no effect at all. The car, or toyota electronic to be more precise, have TAKEN OVER.
If that is the case, the driver has only a few options left, all of which are dangerous :
1. Crash into anything that will stop the car. A building, a tree, whatever.
2. Hollywood style, open the door and jump out quickly. Try this when you are in a freeway.
3. Any other safe options ?
Remember, power is DANGEROUS WITHOUT CONTROL.
Allow me to rephrase General Patton's words " Your duty is not to die for toyota but to make sure the other SOB die for his stupidity ! "
From now on, people who get heavy injuries or die because of berserk toyotas have only themselves to BLAME ! They know the risk and they decided to take it.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME !
From that article toyota-lexus dealer places the blame on the dumb, old driver who is too feeble to drive. Why did he sell them a toyota in December if being 70 makes one too old? The dealership has a legal weakness there based on the owner's/salesman's own statement.
Apparently toyota still is blaming the drivers:
"You have an elderly driver who may have been distracted or startled and accidentally stepped on the wrong pedal. When that happens, the car takes off, the driver believes he's on the brake so he presses harder, and it's all over in a matter of seconds," Hoyt said. "Now I'm not accusing this man of anything and this couple certainly has our sympathy, but it sounds like many other cases we have investigated in the past."
This is what toyota did with the sludge problem. For years after they agreed to do repairs on their bad engines, others were still blaming the owners for not doing the right things and changing the oil sooner than toyota's own service recommendations. They would blame anything that they thought someone else couldn't disprove.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I did take a bit of bashing in the checkbook but expected it, as I would in trading any other 2 yr old car! (A bit more since the furor has not died down)
Some observations though. The Subaru (had 23,500 miles when I bought it, and is the mid trim level vs the Toyota's "XLE-upper" trim level), not to mention the added weight and AWD feel. The Corolla DEFINITELY had a much Looser road feel , probably somewhat due to the EPS on the Toyota's (wonder if the Subaru has EPS but I doubt it) and overall tightness somewhat due to the heavier feel BUT, the Outback definitely felt better overall and had a much more solid feel.
One thing that is a real standout though is the quality of the interior parts and materials that Subaru uses. The Toyota had a much more "hardness" to its plastic interior than the Outback had, and overall the Subaru's fit and finish (even after 2+ years). The Subaru had an "older" feel to it...that is reminiscent of cars built 5yrs+ ago.
I have heard that the outback is great in the snow...we will see next winter! I will say that the stability control/trac in the Toyota did make it feel pretty good for a 2 WD compact (The Subaru does not have Stability control/trac, although I think the AWD will more than make up for it! (LOL).
In parting, the Subaru had a higher center of gravity which was noticeable! I hope you will wish me well and I will not be a Toyota basher....ever. Cars are just being built cheaper these days and IMHO have way to much electronics in them!. Will hang arounf the forum for a while as some of my family members and friends have Toyotas
I did the shimmy recall fix, did not like the "feel", and had an entirely new pedal installed (it looked identical to the old one ). I would have had a fit if they did that to mine! Toyota does not seem to have learned a thing and maybe that is all they could do? Geez!
The "new" pedal is definitely a CTS and my GUESS is that the only difference is that the factory installed the shim...not the dealer.
THAT NEW SHAPE IS REALLY p%^&$ poor looking IMHO!