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Personally, I've been through 3 (yes, I'm loyal or a masochist, whatever) of the inline sixes. The first was the 258 in my 89, then two 4.0's. While they do hold together, you must remember the original 232 it was based on is basically a tractor motor. It was never designed to run quiet at high rpm's on the highway, or be economical. I think the 3.8 will be a positive thing (...awaits thunderclap...). I use this Jeep much differently than my others, and most of it is, unfortunately, on pavement. More quiet, better stereo, better ride would be great.
While I wanted these items last year, I wasn't willing to give up "Jeepness", so I stayed with a Jeep rather than an Xterra. I admit, the lack of four doors is a pain when you have kids. The 15 mpg is hard to justify when you don't work for Exxon.
A new Jeep in 07 that's this good, with a possible electric disconnect for the sway bar from the factory! Well, they might just get my business again right away. Wouldn't it be great to go wheeling with a group of Wranglers, Xterra's, and FJ's? Just a thought.
Drewmeister:
If Xterra's and FJ's went wheelin', they would have to have some Wranglers along. Otherwise, who would pull them out?
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The biggest thing they've added that I'll look at is the seat height adjustment. I'm hoping that they've also gone more "middle of the road" for their seats - the Unlimited's seats are built for bigger people and aren't as comfortable for me as the '98 is. I've stayed with using a cushion when I drive, because the back fits better when I'm an inch or too higher, something that getting seat risers wouldn't address (and besides, my other half prefers the Unlimited's seats).
The show was fun, it always is. We didn't spend much time looking at the exotic cars - too many people by that time. I was disappointed the new Jeep wasn't there, but was interested to see how much competition there is now for the Wrangler - for quite some time there wasn't much except for the H1, which is in a class of its own. I have never liked the H2, but think that the H3 is cute. I'd seriously consider it, but it is still out of my price range.
One of the things I noticed about the Xterra - it's rated about the same or worse for gas mileage than the Wrangler. It's very nice, but I still prefer the Wrangler.
Karl on Cars
and
Jeep Wrangler a "Smash" in Detroit (Inside Line)
Steve, Host
Well, there goes a little breakover angle, but probably not a whole lot for just two inches additional wheelbase.
Maybe 5-6" wider which shows up in the hip and shoulder room specs.
Now THAT could be a problem for some of the places I go. I can just barely squeeze through certain spots as it is now. How much of that is wider track, and how much is just overall vehicle width? The wider track could actually help me in some spots. Heck, it might even tempt me to get back into Buttpucker Gulch.
You can see from the picture below that a little wider track would be beneficial in Buttpucker Gulch. The second picture shows how slight the margin for error is. If you could see the drivers side, you would be able to tell that I could not take a line any farther to the passenger side, or else I would have slipped down into the gully on the drivers side. I believe BP Gulch won that day, and that right rear tire did slip down into the gully. So, I SHOULD have been just a hair further to the passenger side, maybe one inch. That's how close you cut it going through BP Gulch.
This is also a good place to demonstrate the need for a nice, slow crawl speed. You HAVE to go extremely slow, but you don't want to have to be in and out with the clutch all the time. This would be a place where a Rubicon would shine, with its 4:1 transfer case low range ratio vs. a standard Wrangler transfer case low range ratio of 2.72:1. Tire size and differential gearing come into play here too. The combination of high rear end gearing (numerically lower ratio) and oversize tires makes the crawl speed way too fast. That's why I so strongly recommend the 3.73 gearing over the 3.07 gearing. In this respect, the Rubicon has the additional advantage of 4.10 gearing in the differentials.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Can't wait until the NY Auto show. Get a nice close up of it.
http://media.freep.com/autoshow/2006/07jeepWrangler/index.htm
-Dan
-Dan
Still not letting him get dirty, thats a no no. I know im breaking your heart TOM.
Keep Jeepin
Bama tazz
Roll tide! :shades:
Here's a spec sheet for the 2007 from Jeep.com
http://www.jeep.com/07wrangler/features/full-specifications.pdf
-Dan
http://www.jeep.com/07wrangler/features/full-specifications.pdf
Now that makes interesting reading!
Everyone, there's also a 2007 Wrangler Replacement discussion that has some more recent links posted.
Steve, Host
Boy, why did you disappear on us for so long? Everyone doing alright?
Good to hear from you, Terry. Hope you'll be sticking around.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Steve - thanks for posting the links. I loved the way Jeep introduced it. The only thing I wish is that they'd have it at the LA Auto show - I always have to wait until it comes out (on the other hand, we get to be the first to see such things as any new Lambourgini or Ferrari or other sports cars).
As I understand it, the doors are still removable thanks to a quick-disconnect harness socket at each door. I bet those suckers will be heavy, though...
I keep waiting for one of y'all to tell Karl that it's a JEEP, not a car. :-)
Steve, Host
Probably told you this before, but I love the way that Jeep looks. I used to work for a Dodge dealer next to the Jeep dealership, (where I bought my first 89) and I always hated the "postals"...they used to order a bunch in plain red and plain white, no carpet, no rear seat, 4-cyl and stick, tiny wheels and tires as well, and no air. In OKLAHOMA. Soft top. I guess it was the OU student packages. They were cheap (12k$?). In looking at yours, I sometimes think I should have gone with white again. My XJ was an ex-security jeep, and I swear they painted it with appliance white. I could go right through brush (not that I would... :P ) and it never left a scratch on it. My dad had the "olive"-ish green on his, and it scratched from five feet away. And, all the black accessories looked great on white paint. I know Jeeps aren't about looks, but I just think yours is well-done. Just a basic bumper and winch (been seeing a bunch of huge bull-bars lately). Tires big enough without having to have 35's just to wheel.
tidester, host
Thanks for the compliments on Thelma Jane. You caused her to blush.
Yep, she is set up real well, I think. She has enough mods to be pretty darn capable on the trails, but she is still very much street-worthy.
I don't think I will ever want to go with more lift or bigger tires. I might replace the current 2" Procomp lift with a 2" OME lift, which can give close to 3" of actual lift, but I wouldn't go up any on tire size.
Now you just can't have a Jeep and not spend money on it, of course, so I will be looking at on board air as my next mod, most likely. Another possibility is Rhino-lining the floorboard and cargo area. See, there are some really good ways to spend money on your Jeep without making it more off-road capable.
One very important thing to consider in building up your Jeep is just how capable you really want it to be, considering where you will be wheelin' it. If you live near some really extreme wheelin' areas, then you would probably build your Jeep to the hilt. But, if you are like me and can only go places that have moderate wheelin' terrain, then you don't want to overdo it on the Jeep and take the challenge out of your wheelin'. A lot of the fun obstacles that I run now would be boring with 35" tires or bigger. Also, I can go places now that a taller Jeep would not be able to go.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The biggest difference will be noticed by those with a manual transmission. The torque multiplication effect of a torque converter will negate the low rpm torque difference between the I6 and the V6.
I've not yet seen mention of which transmission and t/c will be used, except that a manual will be available for export on the diesel only, as will the diesel engine itself.........shame!
Change is inevitable and I think they could have done a lot worse styling wise. However, I'd question the advisability of mounting the fog lights in the front bumper, and to me the new hardtop gives it the appearance of a Honda Element.
I was thinking about the power window option for my Rubicon. Door locks, too.
Would you mind sharing what you did and where from? I figure it will take a day or so for me to do the installation, but since I have another DD, no problem.
Thanks.
Art...
The wrangler V6 is from the Pacifica/Minivan family....3.8
liter....pushrods and all.
Chief
Chief
ps....some of my best friends are pushrods
There's video of the new Wrangler and the breaking the glass window photos are fun too.
Steve, Host
So, do you think the low RPM torque of that 3.8 V-6 will be comparable to that of the good old 4.0 L inline 6? I sure hope so.
I am somewhat reassured by the pushrods, too. I associate overhead cams with high revving little engines. For wheelin' a guy wants lots of power at idle RPM.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
While it's always nice to be the first on the block, try to remember that huge improvements, both in build quality and design, come after they've been building them for eighteen months or so.
Also, diesel for export only? What a horrible decision. I would think a diesel Rubicon capable of getting mid-twenties would be an untouchable segment-buster. About the only thing most of us are unhappy with was mileage to begin with. I hope that's not true...
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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/barnz_69/jeep2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/barnz_69/jeep4.jpg
It looks like you were trying to post pictures that are hosted on photobucket.com, right?
Just get the URL from photobucket for the picture you want to post. Under your picture there should be URL, TAG, and IMG. Highlight and copy the contents of the URL box.
Then just click on "Img" in the tool bar here in Edmunds, paste the URL, then hit "close all."
See if that works for ya.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Nevertheless, someone can help me (feel free!)so in the future I won't have too much, if any trouble.
Well, there she is. Still nameless...any ideas?
Ryan
Steve, Host
How do my fellow jeep enthusiasts like 'er?
Ryan
She looks great! That all black color scheme looks awesome. I think you did the right thing by going with the blackwalls out.
Nice lookin' rig, Ryan.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Yeah, I'm glad I went with the blackwalls out. However, if I had YOUR jeep, I'd def. go whitewall out. I think it matches Thelma perfectly.
To me the 07 wrangler looks great, I noticed they got the idea of the tweeter speakers on the dash that would help the sound quality alot. I notices they have regular door handles on the outside.
I thin the sleek new look will do welll. Anyone know when they will be available to sell?
I agree with the earlier post, About waiting till the 08' model to get all the kinks out.
I will try to get pic of TAZZ up soon.
Keep Jeepin'
Roll Tide
Bama :shades:
Thanks, I was just going by the interesting but rather limited information on Jeep.com.
EDIT: Much more detailed information now available here: JeepNewsNow.com.
Thanks