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My Wrangler is too clean at the moment - I took it to Vegas this weekend for an investment seminar instead of the trails. Came back on Monday so didn't even have the excuse of bad traffic to get out into the desert...
ccladrew - I have a hard top, which I love, so I don't know anything about soft tops.
Just barely enough.
For what it's worth, if anyone needs to replace Jeep seats, I hear that the Ford Mustang seats are an exact match for bolt holes, so that opens up possibilities with aftermarket and junkyard finds.
I've been contemplating buying a 2002 or 2003 wrangler sport. Does anyone know of changes for 2003? I read a couple of months (can't remember publication) ago that the I-6 may be replaced with a V6. Can anyone verify or discredit this? Any input will be helpful and appreciated......thanks
opinions wanted.....green or patriot blue w/camel interior?
I am an on again, off again lurker on the Wrangler list, but just had to chime in, because I spin, knit and weave! My travelling wheel fits nicely in the back of Harley Jane - I just strap the legs to the hooks on the floor so the wheel doesn't fall over. The wheel is much happier now that it doesn't have to rattle around in the trunk of a car!
Here's the details on the Jeep -
Name: Harley Jane
Date of Birth: December 15, 2000
Model Year: 2001
Model: Sahara
Color: White
I love my Jeep - I smile every time I drive her!
Now I just have to move where there are mountainy trails to play on!
Steve
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I hate it when our buddies just disappear like that.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Seriously, I hope you find a solution. It would be a shame for someone not to be able to enjoy having a Jeep. Good luck.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
You never know how a car might fit.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/futurecars/articles/44810/page019.html
I think you'll be alright at 6-5 (and definitely the tilt steering wheel), but the only way to know for sure is to take one of those suckers out for a drive!
My husband is only 6' and he has no problem with either leg room or head room. However, the back seat is barely big enough for me - he doesn't even try to get back there...
Thanks for all of the advice over the past 2 weeks. I went to the dealer last night and took the plunge. Here are the details for my new baby.
Name - Simmone
Birth 3/13/02
2002 Sport
Black w/ black soft top
30" Canyon Tires
Dana Rear Axle
3.73 Ratio
Trac Lok Differential
AC
Side Steps
CD and 7 speakers
MSRP 23290
I traded my Camry for this and was able to get a very good deal.
The blue book of the Toyota was 9700- I was able to get 11000 for that, and Simmone at 200 over invoice. It took some arguing and patience, but I got the deal and drove it home last night!
I can't wait for the summer to come so I can pull the top down.
Thanks again for the advice!
By the way- 6'5" and it fits fine.
Sounds like a fantastic deal! (And a great Jeep)
Have fun and share the joy with us by posting here and telling us how you are enjoying your early days with the Jeep.
Once again, congrats!
Your profile says you live in Illinois. I am in Ky., so if you live in southern Illinois, we may not be too far from each other. We might be able to get together at Turkey Bay on Ky Lake for some "wheelin'."
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I'm having a hard time - I would really like the Rubicon, but haven't ever felt a need for lockers, etc. And I'm not sure having 2 Wranglers is the most practical idea for us, but I sure would like that Rubicon...
Im still here ....
Been busy...working alot..trying to spend more time with kids too...
hope ya'll havent forgot about me...
only update on tazz..got the door windows tinted..
looks GOOD now..
Mark congrats on the jeep!!
keep jeepin
BT
By the way, it looks like we might have some winter after all - it snowed last night! Hopefully more snow tomorrow! Hooray - an excuse to drive the Wrangler!
I'd prefer to buy an automatic because most of my weekly driving is in traffic around Nashville. I expect to drive on the interstate only on weekends.
Considering that I-40 and I-65 have become so congested that I will only get to drive above 70 when traffic clears, is an automatic a reasonable choice?
How many rpm is the engine turning at 70-80 mph?
I've owned two Wranglers before; a red, soft top with 4.0L and 5-speed and a green hardtop Sahara, also 4.0L, 5-speed. The 5-speed was great for the open road and for the few times that I went off-road, but shifting gets old in rush hour traffic through downtown Nashville.
Any advice?
Thanks!
I think it would be OK to get up to 60 or 70 MPH for short periods after the first 100 miles. After 500 miles, you ought to be able to just drive it however you want to. That's about the way I broke in my Thelma Jane, and she is also a 4.0 with 5 speed. It seems to have worked fine with her.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Oh, and I hugged Simmone last night...
Sorry it's been so long since I've been here, but with work, school and all I've been pretty busy.
Ok, here is my problem. I STILL have my 95 Firebird and have spent almost $1000 in repairs. My intuition tells me that something almost as expensive may be in the not so distant future. I desperately want a Jeep of my own, but I have another problem. I owe $3400 on the bird and the trade in value is $4914, the private party price is $5681 and the dealer cost is $7023. I feel I need to get rid of it asap before something else needs to be fixed. My preference is to buy a new X model, but because of the balance on the bird and other debt, I don't know that this option will be feisable. I'm also looking at used, but the possible lack of warranty as compared to the 7/100,000 mile warranty of a new Jeep is very appealing...but there again is the rub...the cost of a new one. Help I want a X model with the following options:
*automatic
*cust. prefered package 24X
*Wheel plus group
*Full doors/soft top or hard if the price is right
*am/fm cd stereo
I've seen a couple of 1999's (one's a Sahara...but I don't know if it is still in the dealer's inventory)so we'll see.
Seriously folks, I need you opinion and I need it asap...please give serious thought to your answers as time could be growing short for the bird and I want to get the most for it if I can sell it outright.
Thanks for any and all input (careful tomster I know where to find you ).
Deb/aka dwrangler
Hug your Jeeps for me (til I can hug one of my own). ;-)
Avoid the addons, and get a used one with whatever it is available with for options.
You can add tires, wheels, hard top (I got one for $650!), and CD after the fact. I would shop around for a '97-99 model and either try to trade your car or sell it in a private sale (more $$ feasible). Go with the 5 speed. They are more fun, more reliable, more economical, and more available.
Make: JEEP Model: WRANGLER Year: 1997
Service Bulletin Number: 980320240398 Bulletin Sequence Number: 909 Date of Bulletin: 06/98
NHTSA Item Number: SB600888
Component: HEATER:WATER:DEFROSTER:DEFOGGER
Summary:
A SQUEAKING NOISE MAY BE HEARD WHEN THE SYSTEM MODE IS CHANGED FROM FLOOR TO PANEL OR DEFROST. *YC
so your ready to take the plunge huh...
I say..sell the bird private party...clean it up real good..inside & out...get that for sale sign up!!
Then..go for a used jeep..more economical...
be picky..start looking now...get those newspapers out...
You know about jeeps..dont let anyone snub ya...
then later on you could trade that one in one a new one...
GREAT hearing from ya again...stay in touch gal!!
KEEP JEEPIN'
BamaTazz
(roll tide)
I have a buddy who is an independent mechanic, and whenever something goes awry, I go over to his shop and search the TSBs. If I find one on the subject, I drive over to the dealer with a printout of the TSB, and usually they just perform the repair, no questions asked. These are great for things like body mount problems in the 97 TJs. The early ones had a wierd popping noise that would mysteriously come and go - seemingly at will. The dealer could not reproduce it or figure it out. I found the TSB, said this is what it is, and he replaced the body mounts no questions asked. BAM! No more popping noise.
I had a 1999 Chrysler 300M that had about half-dozen or so problems with it over the 3 year lease. Every single one of them had a TSB on it. In fact, I would not even bother taking it to the dealer for repair unless I had the TSB number in hand. Saved ALOT of time, and the dealer seemed to appreciate it as well.
You would think that the dealer shop would search these first, but the ones in my area don't. I guess they just don't have the time, and they rely on the mechanics experience to diagnose the problem.
As far as warranty goes, unless the TSB says that it is covered under a special warranty, you are at the mercy of the original warranty for all repairs.
For whatever reason, the Wranglers dont seem to have many TSBs, even though I've heard of weak spots that have been common such as the cracked windshield problem with early TJs owners - I have yet to see a TSB on the problem. I think that DC may just pay less attention to problems with Wranglers as they do with their other vehicles, partly because Wrangler owners usually just overlook things like squeeks, pops, and other noises, and since the drivetrain has been around for so long, they've worked all the bugs out already. About the only thing really new on TJs apart from suspension, is reletively less mission-critical things like electronic accessories and body and trim stuff. I think there is only a dozen or so TSBs on my 2001 model. That is not alot, compared with other cars. My 2001 Explorer Sport Trac had about 30 or so last time I looked.
That place was awesome! I wasn't prepared for how tough some of the places on the trail were going to be. I probably shouldn't have even gone there without at least having trac loc.
Thelma did well for a stock Jeep and a rookie driver. She took the strap for the frst time, so I guess I'm officially an offroader now.
I am now more than ever dying to get some mods! Most of the Jeeps in the group had lifts and some lockers.
We came out of it with no damage, but after running the green trail (supposedly the EASY trail..yeah right!) the CIJC guys ran the orange trail. I headed home after the green, since I had a six hour drive ahead of me, and because I had no business trying the orange trail anyway. I found out from the CIJC forum last night that one of the guys got some body damage on the orange trail.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I still intend to order a Sport on the 15th and am undecided on the tires. The GSA tires have to go.
Did you take your copilot Ross Allen (I think that is his name)?
Sounds like the Dirt Bug has nailed you pretty hard. I know I used to spend a lot of quarters at the car wash cleaning up after running in the mud. Use to keep a roll of quarters in the glove box all the time.
I WANT MODS!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Keep us posted on these experiences. As excited as you are about them, I find myself being excited with you.
Yeah, offroading is a blast! It absolutely amazes me what even stock Jeeps will do, although Badlands sure pushes the envelope.
It took me a while to get past the idea of keeping Thelma Jane from dirt or any possible damage. I still do not want her damaged, but I can handle the dirt: it comes off!
Jeeps are in their natural element when they are on a trail somewhere. You can just tell Thelma Jane was "born" for this stuff. She is a happy Jeep when she is climbing a hill, driving through mud, or driving down a creek.
I will definitely keep everyone up to date on any future runs.
tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Yeah, but I look under the Wrangler page, and wouldn't know where to begin. There is no ranking of important or unimportant ones. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, many duplicates or similar.
"If I find one on the subject, I drive over to the dealer with a printout of the TSB, and usually they just perform the repair, no questions asked."
Is your car still under warranty? How does one go about this?
"These are great for things like body mount problems in the 97 TJs. The early ones had a wierd popping noise that would mysteriously come and go - seemingly at will. The dealer could not reproduce it or figure it out. I found the TSB, said this is what it is, and he replaced the body mounts no questions asked. BAM! No more popping noise."
I get a weird noise sometimes when accelerating and turning right (such as pulling out of a street). Could this be it?
Did you undo the (anti) sway bars for better traction. If not, that might have helped.
I think a cheap locker for the rear may be the first real mod that I get. I think a Lockrite can be had for around $300 to $350 installed.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Here you go:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/budgetdisconnects/
http://www.jeepbarracks.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=41
http://hookedonjeeps.rockcrawler.com/Homemade%20Discos.html
http://www.tennessee4x4.com/toyota/swaybar.htm
http://jeepsunlimited.com/xj/suspension/brew.htm
http://www.jeepsonly.com/How_Tos/Suspension/
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003765.html
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/tech/susp/CJYJdisconnect/
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/003765.html
http://jeeparena.net/cliffhanger/Addco_Sway_Front/
First mod should be tow points front and rear.
Second mod is up to the individual but, one popular theory is body/mechanical protection. Crushing a rocker panel might upset you, especially when protection wouldn't have been all that expensive to get. Of course, the "other" theory is that body damage adds "character" - sort of like a tattoo, but with a better story behind it!
Chaser, I already have added factory tow hooks front and rear. Did that a few weeks ago.
I'm with you on protection. I am considering the rocker guards for Thelma Jane. I guess the factory gas tank skid is adequate? I was wondering what I might need for underneath protection?
I'll check out your links tonight when I get home, nony mouse. Thanks.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Lots of folks have told me that a good, cheap route is the Lockrite or Detroit EZ locker. They also mentioned the quirks that you did, though.
Probably won't do anything for a while, cause money is tight. Just got my re-finance loan approved on the house, so my monthly payment will be lower than the two payments I am making now on the mortgage and on the home equity loan.
tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://www.s5di.com/cshontz/default.asp
http://www.desertrat.com/lockright/lockright.htm
http://www.ring-pinion.com/a-jeep.html
http://jeepsunlimited.com/tj/detroit/detroit.htm
http://www.iaxs.net/~leif/LPsJeepTJ/NoSlipDiffs/index.html
http://www.gotjeep.net/noslip.html
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/powertrax_tj/
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/reviews/no-slip/
http://www.jeeps.itgo.com/about.html
http://www.2bigbroncos.org/technical/powertrax_no_slip_install/
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/001145.html
http://www.ntwonline.com/ntw0799/pages/access.html#Anchor-LOCKERS-47857
A friend of mine has detroit lockers on an old bronco and he doesn't like the change in handling at all. When it was still (more or less) a legal vehicle they always towed it to the off-road area rather than drive it on the streets.
It sounds like a lift would help What type are you going to get?
The stock gas tank skid is not even close to being acceptable. The little piece of tin foil is just there to hold it in place. Unless you want to see your gas tank capacity decrease, I would get a skid plate on it.
There is a new one that gives 2" more clearance.
Don't know much about it.
http://www.carolinarockshop.com/GTSkid1.htm
The kilby is a good one
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/gtsp/gtsp.shtml
These require more complicated installs but I think they are worth it.
I would do the gas tank first. After that it is hard to say. Lots of things need protection.
The stock LSD does suck. Mine only seems to engage when both rear wheels are level. Which is usually when I don't need it. You can pull up a few clicks on the E-brake or tap the brakes to help engage it. Someone I know pulls the E-brake all the way up and then releases it. I was pulling mine up a few clicks and leaving it, but that is not always forcing it to engage.
I can't wait until I replace it.
mtngal
I would go with ox lockers over arb air lockers. I don't have mine yet, but I will let you know how I like them once I get them.
http://www.oxtrax.com/
It cant be...Tom has fallin into the offroading pit or no return...
I that means im the only one left..who doesnt believe in getting a $25,000 vechile dirty...
Well somebody on here has gotta be the smart one..might as well be me..
Kidding!! Glad you had a great time Tom..
Now where ya gonna find the money for all these mods?... hmmmmmmm
sell the wife?
Keep Jeepin..
BamaTazz
Actually, Tazz, I think I'm probably the last one who hasn't done the offroad thing. I still don't have too much of a jones to do it. Maybe something super simple like driving on dirt and grass or something. But the whole rock-climbing thing is a little too much for me for now. I don't want to cause any damage to my toy, even in the pursuit of (more) fun :-)
On another note, I was driving on a freeway and a stray rock off an 18-wheeler struck my windshield, causing a small 3/4" crack :-( The good news is, because it's so small, I think it can be repaired. A buddy told me about this liquid that they drop in and it just seals it up. Anyone have experience with this? The repair will be free, but if I choose to have the windshield replaced, it will only cost me a $50 deductable because of some glass coverage I purchased on my insurance. Let me know any thoughts!
yellowman
You boys enjoy those Jeeps and stay on the pavement. Thelma Jane was already the most fun vehicle I ever had, even before I took her offroad the first time! That's the great thing about our Jeeps... they can be enjoyed in different ways. That's what matters most, that you are enjoying your Jeeps.
I still can't believe that I finally got Thelma in the dirt either. It would still break my heart if I ended up getting her damaged, but I can handle "dirty."
Boys, you just don't know what you have until you take that Jeep offroad. They are truly amazing in what they can do! Just a warning: if you try it, you will love it, and you will go back again, and again!
Yeller, my little S-10 had a star in the windshield, and I had it repaired with that liquid stuff. It worked great, and you would have to know where to look and stick your nose on the spot in order to see it now. Whenever the windshield is replaced, there is a chance of a bad seal and a leak. I would try the repair first. The company that did my repair also replaces windshields, and if the repair work ever fails, they will deduct what you spent on the repair from the cost of replacing the windshield later. It cost me $50, but that was less than the going rate. My insurance company told me to tell them to give me the lower rate. I guess they send that outfit a lot of business, so they gave me the lower price. You might check with your insurance company and see if they can get you a discount.
c ya, Guys!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?