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Its only as shortsighted as the comment you made regarding the RAV4 w/o curtains being a "death trap". Most of its competitors lack the availability of a seat mounted thoracic bag coupled with side curtains.. actually... I cant think of a single competitor that offers this. You can get side curtains in the Equinox and VUE, but no chest protection, you can get a head/chest airbag in the Escape and Forester, but nothing for the rear seat, etc. Are those vehicles all death traps too? And what about the RAV4s STANDARD stability control. One could argue that you're much less likely to be involved in a fatal rollover because of this system, but I suppose youre not interested in that?
If youd really like a RAV4 with side curtains and airbags, Id recommend shooting an email to all the dealers in your area telling them that you want to buy a RAV4, but will not accept one without this safety feature. Toyota does allow for "preferencing" of vehicles, and if the dealer wants your business, it will work for you.
You could always try to contact a non-SET dealership and purchase the vehicle out of state.
~alpha
I would if I believed that to be the case.
Bob
rsholland, no sense continuing this discussion with you further. I think it obvious who knows more about what consumers in Memphis in New Orleans desire...2 guys who live there versus someone like you who lives a thousand miles away. you must be a lawyer or something else equally irritating (making a ridiculous argument as devil's advocate).
sbell4 Jul 30, 2004 10:57am
I live in Maryland, not exactly a southern state, but not northern either. By far more 4Runners sold here are 4WD.
Bob
rsholland, I think it clear who knows more about what consumers in New Orleans and Memphis demand and your earlier comment to the guy from Memphis that you "don't believe for a moment" his report of what consumers in Memphis desire was pompous and uninformed. end of story.
How 'bout we get back on topic ('05 4Runners, remember?), as this discussion is currently heading for the back ally?
Bob
Bob
Bob
I ultimately settled on a silver one and ordered it over two months ago. I have been considering cancelling in anticipation of the 2005. I would prefer a red or true blue color. Also, if you're going to encourage offroading it seems to me that including the side air bags would make sense.
As a retired officer I know firsthand the value in airbags. The more the better. As for other preferences, I agree with some kind of IPOD attachment hard wired like the BMW X5. A TRD package with a raise, tires, supercharger would be great. It would save me the trouble of doing it after the fact.
Lastly, I know the center console is positioned toward the driver but I would have preferred it to be evenly positioned. It would be more aesthetic and still reachable.
For the amount, I want to get it just the way I want it!
-Andrew L
~alpha
With this argument, mfgs would be forced to make every possible safety option mandatory because one could always argue that any car shipped without a safety option was a car that was unsafe.
Why don't we all just give the lawyers half our earnings and be done with it without all this trouble?
Mfgs build a dizzying array of products these days. If you don't like the product Toyota is selling, buy something else.
- Mark
Make your choice and then take personal resposibility for it.
You state "When a manufacturer makes a product it knows can cause serious injury or death while it has the technology to eliminate that injury or death at relatively little cost and fails to do so, I think it makes the manufacturer's actions reprehensible."
You just described every single vehicle manufacturer who does not equip their vehicles with EVERY single safety device possible. Thats every manufacturer on the market, my friend. And where does a mfr like Subaru fall in this case? The new Legacy, which has plenty of airbags and a very strong structure, managed only a "Marginal" in the IIHS side impact?
There have to be limits based in reality.
~alpha
Do you work for a dealer? If so, when can I expect to see the 2005 model in the dealerships? From your post it sounds like I will either have to order an SR5 4Runner, the model I want and can afford, with curtain airbags or buy from the competition.
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My point is that Toyota NOW KNOWS that its vehicles equipped without side air bags have a POOR rating in side crash tests. Its models with them are a BEST PICK. And finally, Toyota knows that its agents are not making models equipped with that life saving option available to consumers.
Yes, someone can buy a safer car. For many years, I only drove a Mercedes. But given that that stupid woman who spilled hot coffee from McDonald's all over herself after she drank it while driving was awarded, what I recall was several million by a jury, I don't think it a small step for a lawyer to say Toyota took no steps to make the safer product available and maybe it should, especially since it is the one that requested the second test with a side air bag equipped vehicle. That's all I said. And I said it in the context of HOPING that Toyota would either make side air bags and curtains STANDARD on all 2005 4Runners or at least make them standard on all Limiteds and equip a much higher percentage of SR5s and Sports with them (perhaps 40%) as options.
Couldn't get much on the 2006 4 runner. New engine/more horsepower. I'm talking 300hp. Yes you can get the kit for 5k. Toyota wants to lead the trucks with more HP than any truck out there. Hoping for a total body redo. Maybe a multi link rear. OH man! wouldn't that be nice.
- Mark
Launch date is supposedly 8/20 for the V6, but I haven't seen any pricing or vehicles yet. The V8 is scheduled to be released on 11/19.
Toyota has made minor cosmetic tweaks to almost all of their vehicles after 3-4 years, cars and trucks alike. The most recent example is the 2005 Camry which was all new in 2002, got a revised V6 motor for 2004 and a minor restyling for 2005... this behavior mirrors what we're all suspecting to happen with the 4Runner which was all new in 2003, will be getting VVT-i for 2005, and likely a refreshening in 2006.
Take a look at the Toyota web site for all the details:
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/4runner/specs.html
Enjoy!
-- Jim
- 2005 V6 Tundra 4x2 which weighs about 4215 lbs achieves 18/25 mpg.
- 2005 V6 4Runner 4x2 weighing 4090 lbs achieves 18/21.
Why such a difference in highway mileage?
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/fleet/showroom.php?action=vehicles- &data%5Bmodel_id%5D=146
I decided and bought a 2004 V6 SR5 because there is not too much diference, and there is $1000 rebate on the 2004 V6 model and plus addtional discont. I paied $26,888 before tax and license. The sticker price with the delivery charch is $30,789. Total I have got $3901 discont.
Question: I want the Toyota platinum 7 yr, 100k extended warranty. My dealer wouldn't go below $1,175 for it.
Your input please: a) Is this a decent price? b) Do you know of a better price at another dealer or vendor?
Thanks
~alpha
If memory serves me correctly, you ordered a 4Runner several months back from a dealer in Davis California. How long did it take in terms of months to get your 4runner? Were you satisfied with your experience at the dealership and how do you like your new 4runner?
Regarding extended warranties, I have never purchased one myself; however, I have always heard that they are highly negotiable.
You memory serves you correctly.
I placed the order 3/12/04 in Davis. (Picked Davis since it is my home county and after some research, it was clear I'd have to preference order it. And their price was as good as I could get, although Florin was jsut a cuople hundered more and probably would have come down.)
Was told by sales mgr it would be 8-12 weeks (after I closed the deal-so it wasn't necesarily a selling tactic). I had seen on the web at that time that the ave length was 3-4 mos. It arrived 8/20/04 or 5+ mos later. I accepted it 8/27/04. Was built in July.
I can understand the wait to a degree. 4runners are not pushed much by toyota during the past year. Not selling near as many as Sequoias of Highlanders.
It had the plastic still on it when I saw it on the lot. When I picked it up, had 4 miles on it. Full tank of gas and seemed to be prepped well.
I liked the idea of it being "new" when you pay 30K for something. And when I was looking at various lots early this year, some on the "new" ones seemed a little trashed.
Actual exchange - just DMV paperwork and stuff - no price haggleing -- still took way too long -- 2 hrs +.
Only had it two days. Love it so far.
Enjoy your 4runner and good luck with your extended warranty purchase!
on the crash test of a RAV4 with and without side air bags and air curtains. After these results, it is absurd that Toyota does not equip at least one third or their vehicles with this option. Better yet if they were standard and one could order without them for a reduced amount since so few people don't want them. The idiotic distributor in the Gulf States area also apparently refuses to send any 4-Runners with side air bags to the Gulf States area (except for Limited models). I raise hell with the dealers every chance I get. Keep up the good demand.
Oh, and as far as Nissan goes, get this. Although I live in New Orleans, a Pensacola, FL dealer was trying to help me find an Xterra with side air bags. Guess how many he found equipped with the side air bag and air curtain option IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY? NINE !!! Do you think there is some kind of conspiracy or what?
The customer services representative transfered me to 1-800-331-4331 x-314 to log a customer complaint. They seemed very interested in my concerns.
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2005/4runner/options.html