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Acura RL vs. Acura TL



  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Take my break in recommendation for what it's worth:

    For the first 800-1,000 miles:

    Do not exceed 4,000 rpms. Avoid full throttle acceleration. However, do not "lug" the engine either and shift into a higher gear too soon. Keep the "cruising" engine rpms varied between 2,200 to 2,500 on the low end and 4,000 on the upper.

    Avoid repeated short hops. Try to drive the car for a minimum of 10-15 minutes so that the engine oil and mechanical parts fully heat up. This helps everything expand and contract fully and "seat" properly. Unfortunately, the water temperature is NOT a good guage of this, as it heats up much quicker than the oil.

    No cruise control for extended drives at a constant speed / rpms.

    After that, you can let it rip. These are the recommendations I got from sources I trust - Porsche race team technician, Honda factory rep, BMW "Motorsport" mechanic. I applied them to my Honda S2000, Acura TL and 911S. While the TL may fall on the lower end of these other high performance engines, it's still worthy of proper break in, IMO.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    There is no doubt that both the TL and RL represent good values. But, IMO, one of the reasons the TL sells well and the RL doesn't is that there isn't much about the RL that induces real excitement and distinction from the TL. The TL does very well in the "entry level luxury performance sedan" segment where value is one of its strongest attributes. But the RL gets whacked in the "flaghip sedan segment", compared to Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, BMW, etc.

    IMO, the RL might do better if it put more space between itself and the TL, both in attributes and price. My suggestion that Acura target the 5-series was based partly upon my selfish interests, but also upon my belief that it afford the better market opportunity. Other than BMW, the other nameplates you mentioned really aren't that "sports oriented". They are luxury and prestige oriented. So, if Acura were to upscale the RL, I would think a sports/performance oriented approach would open more market share than simply another techno-crazy luxury offering like the self parking, butt massaging Lexus.

    And I am a realist. The BMW 550i 6-speed represents no more than 5% of all 5-series sales. So Acura offering 6 and 8 cylinder versions, with automatic and manual transmissions, and RWD with SH-AWD optional at different price points may be the best way to cover all bases.

    It's been 16 years since Acura introduced the $65,000 NSX at a time when the most expensive Lexus LS400 was $40,000. They shook up the automotive industry with such a bold offering and had Ferrari and Porsche shoppers taking a close look. I may be wrong, but I think that Acura still has what it takes to be a performance oriented alternative to BMW - at least with their "flagship".

    If they don't do something, I believe the RL will remain a car that is very competent and a good value, just not very well embraced by the general public. If I am not mistaken, Honda sold more "specialty", limited production, hand built S2000 roadsters in the second and third year of their model run than Acura has sold "mainstream" RL sedans in theirs.

    Maybe I should get one of my hedge fund buddies to pony up the funds to commission a run of 5,000 "Habitat-edition" RL's: 425 hp 7,500 rpm V8's with your choice of a 6-speed manual or paddle shifting DSG with RWD. And a Porsche inspired PASM adjustable suspension. Price $60,000. No one would confuse that with a TL. And nothing would touch it in the luxury performance sedan segment short of a $90,000 BMW M5. Orders?
  • I agree the TL and RL are great values in the respective segments they compete. However, I do not believe the RL, although Acura's Flagship is a head to head competitor with other flagships. I do not believe it is intended to be.

    I also believe that the TL likely 'steals' some of the RL market by being such a great value and similar content. It offers a buy to 'almost' get RL content at a TL price.

    But I do not believe that is the primary reason the TL outsells the RL. One is simply marketing. The TL has been toubted as a BMW 3 chaser. The created excitement for the TL. It simply has more marketing and media attention than the RL. But further, the TL competes in the $30-40K bracket. The RL in the $40-50K bracket. There are simply more buyers in the TL bracket, and the TL did well in that market. The RL is an enigma in the $40-50K market. It is a flagship, but not marketed as a competitor to flagship (perhaps an alternative). There are fewer buyers in the bracket so the competition is fierce for those fewer buyers. With Acura's feeble marketing of the RL, these fewer buyers are naturally more likely to go with a recognized luxury product (BMW, Lexus, Audi, Jaguar and even Infinity).

    Although I think the RL is a tough to applaud at 50K, I think it is a no brainer in the lower 40K range. Problem is, people just don't KNOW the RL should be on the list to compare.

    When I look at the efforts to market the Honda LEGEND in the world market, it appears Honda has truely made attempts to market and educate buyers of the LEGEND's attributes (especially SHAWD). And looking at this car selling worldwide, they may actually be achieving the sales totals they desire. But as to why the RL is such an enigma in the US may be that the US (and ACURA corporate) have set higher expectations for US sales then what Honda has set for global sales expectations.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I generally agree with your assessment.

    Although I'm not sure Acura would want to hear that the "lower $40k" price range is where they have to price the RL to be a market success. It begs the question of "why bother" when the TL-S is already in the high $30k range.

    I still think there is room out there for a $50-$60k Acura flagship. I have plenty of friends and associates that are in that target market, but find Infiniti to be too funky, Lexus to be too stodgy. They end up in BMW, Mercedes or Audi but could easily be drawn to the Acura brand.
  • acuratacurat SoCalPosts: 74
    You hit it on the head. "Legend" is the thing that is missing from Acura's marketing plan. They have a truly great car in the RL. Read's review of the '06. The US is populated with baby-boomers who fondly (and somewhat lustfully) recall the Legend from the '80s and '90s. Rename RL the Legend, and my bet is that first-year sales will quadruple. Rename the TL the Vigor and...I'm not so sure about that one.

    Although I bring home a nice chunk of bacon, I would never in a million years consider spending $50K on a car. It's a depreciating asset. So for me, the value proposition of a fine machine like the RL becomes compelling in the low $40s, yet irrelevant above that price point. No car, present or future, would tempt me to drop $50 large. I have three kids to put through college, among them two daughters who'll need to be married off. Plus I've been promising my low-maintenance wife a new kitchen for 10 years and she is finally going to collect.

    And though my first cars were muscle-bound V-8s (an ugly brown 1969 GTO, wrapped around a telephone pole one snowy night, replaced by a Boss Orange 1969 AMX), I am by now sufficiently "green" that I would never consider a V-8. In fact, the one thing that bugs me about the RL vs. the TL is its 20% greater thirst for Chevron Supreme.

    Perhaps I am an enigma--but there are millions out there like me. More of them should be driving Acuras instead of having their butts massaged by an overpriced Toyota! Acura's marketing department needs to figure this out.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282

    O.K., let me take you back a bit to make my point, which I'd be very interested in your response to.

    It's December 22, 1993. The 1994 Acura Legend GS Sedan that you are "lusting" after is sitting right there on the showroom floor. Actually, there are two of them. One's an automatic and one's a 6-speed manual transmission. 3.2 liter V6, 230 hp, FWD. Bluetooth - what's that? Navigation - what's that? ....

    Base MSRP for either, $41,495. Take your pick.


    Flash forward 13 years:

    "So for me, the value proposition of a fine machine like the RL becomes compelling in the low $40s, yet irrelevant above that price point. No car, present or future, would tempt me to drop $50 large. I have three kids to put through college, among them two daughters who'll need to be married off. Plus I've been promising my low-maintenance wife a new kitchen for 10 years and she is finally going to collect."

    I sincerely applaud your prudence and would never suggest that someone spend more on a car than they are comfortable with. However, it's now 2006/7, 13 years since the FWD 6-cylinder Legend GS sold for "the low 40's". The LS400 sold for $50k at that time. If you just inflated that Legend GS price at a nominal 3% per year, it's the equivalent of a $61,000 price tag today. And, coincidentally, the LS460 now runs around $70k.

    It's wonderful to think that one can get a 2006 RL with 300hp, SH-AWD, and techno do-dads out the wazoo for hardly any more money than what they would have paid for the 1994 Legend GS sedan.

    But, speaking as someone who would like to see Acura around for another 13 years, I sincerely believe they need to reclaim a more upscale position in the market, at least with their "flagship". If a $55,000-60,000 400+hp V-8 RWD Legend GS is not within your comfort zone, then you still have one hell of a good deal in a $35k TL to choose from. Which, by the way, in every single way is a far superior car, performance and luxury wise, than the 1994 $41k Legend GS that you lusted after.

    P.S. Check out the price of that Sub Zero today compared to when your wife started asking for it 10 years ago. No real improvements, but at least a 50% higher price. Too bad Acura doesn't make refrigerators. ;)
  • acuratacurat SoCalPosts: 74

    Your economic argument is correct and with the assumption of 3% inflation even a tad conservative. Although I checked your math on my trusty HP 12C--another example of 1980s technology that has gotten way more affordable--and got a present value of $73,426 for a $50K price tag after 13 years at 3%. Of course that only strengthens your argument. (I had a rich GF who drove a Legend when I was in school in the late '80s...didn't realize until now just HOW rich!) :surprise:

    That said, the value equation for all sorts of consumer goods, especially cars and electronics, has shifted dramatically over the decades. You just get more for your money. Moore's Law and all that. Currency fluctuations and consumer interest rates also play into the affordability question.

    The bigger marketing issue for Acura is how to differentiate themselves from Honda in the way that Lexus (and to a lesser degree, Infiniti) has done. They clearly do need a more upscale positioning to compete for the trophy-car dollar.

    The other issue is that of branding of individual models. I think that throwing away the legend that underlies the Legend in favor of a bland alphanumeric was not a good move, and it is entirely reversible.

    The TL was the best car I'd ever owned, but now it's a case of been there, done that. I'm happy to give you a shot at a $55-60K V-8 Legend as long as they keep offering a sturdy and high-tech V-6 beauty in the $40s for me. I do gloat secretly when I pass by LS460 owners, knowing I got 95% of what they have for $25-30K less. And more subtle, enduring exterior styling to boot.

    And about that Sub-Zero--have you priced kitchen cabinets lately?? :cry:
  • I think we all have very good arguments here. I think we all are very cleaver, decisive and informed buys. I think we all are brilliant to have decided upon the Acura RL. ;)

    But I think we are the minority of the buying public. And I think Acura may rely just too much that it's buyers will be as dilligent as we were in our purchase decision. Which is why I think Acura needs to market better and get the word out on how good the RL is, as we had to find out, with our own due dilligence. Lucky for Acura we searched so.

    But even as prudent i was in my decision to trade from my TL to the RL I can tell you how marketing affected me. I never drove the RL when I bought my TL. Simply put, they looked similar on paper and not enough intrigued me to justify the cost differential. Therefore I never drove the RL and just bought the TL. Some missed expectations with the TL and then the low 40K price point on the RL enticed me to drive the RL. I was so pleased with the RL over my TL, I likely would have bought it instead of the TL in the 1st place....when it sold for 50K!

    Taking this a step further. Take an Acura RL and an Acura LEGEND side by side (same car / generation)....I would have looked at the LEGEND 1st. And to be totally truthful, when I speak to my overseas associates, I tell them I have a Honda LEGEND. The IMMEDIATELY recognize what car I have. When I tell family, friends, and AMERICAN associates I have an Acura RL, they recognize the Acura brand, but have no idea which model it is.

    I presonally hate the letter naming conventions used by Acura. With Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar etc, the general public does not care what model it is as long as it is a Mercedes or BMW, etc. But I do not believe that philosophy supports Acura. As much as I love my RL, I still would PREFER to own an Acura LEGEND over an Acura RL. And as mentioned prior, I even prefer Honda LEGEND over Acura RL.

    Marketing is a funny, fickle thing.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I think you may be making a little too much of marketing. In my opinion, when the new RL was introduced, it was heavily marketed as a luxury "sports" sedan. Television ads started with SH-AWD and 300 horsepower as the prominant features. Trouble was, on the sport side, the RL never got the enthusiast crowd and automotive press excited. On the substance side, no one puts the RL in the same performance category as the 5-series, certainly not the 550i.

    Have you EVER seen a television ad for the Honda S2000? It is a specialty car that took on the $50k Porsche Boxster and, by many enthusiasts measures, won.

    I believe that most consumers know about the RL and certainly all enthusiasts know about the S2000. The RL delivers a lot of value, for sure, but fell short of some expectations on performance. The Honda S2000 overdelivered. That's how I see it.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    Tamparl, while marketing may affect the public's perception of the car, I generally agree with Habitat that one cannot make too much of marketing. In the final analysis, substance will/should prevail over form, once the advertised car has been test driven.

    Indeed, what's in a name ... that which we call a Legend would smell so sweet? Although I don't know much about the Honda Legend, based on my quick review of this article from the following website
    there is little difference between the Legend and RL, except for night vision and right-hand drive.

    I think we all agree that the RL is a competent car with a high value quotient, but when compared with some of the prestigous nameplates (as mentioned), it pales a bit in the high performance and ultra luxury areas. But that is perfectly okay, particularly if you are happy enough with RL performance/luxury level, given the price you paid.

    I also agree with Habitat that Acura can produce, and is highly capable of doing so, the so-called "Habitat-Edition" RL with his proposed specs. There is a market for the high rollers who go after ultra high performance and luxury.
    However, it may require much R&D, and at the end, whether it is successful will be judged by the number of cars sold and the profits made (if any). Does Acura want to take a gamble, just like it did with the NSX? Hmm ...
  • I do agree with you both. But my point is not as much as the vehicle itself proving it's worth against competitors by exceeding the performance benchmarks of the flagship segment, as much as Acura getting the RL into the minds of the general buying public. Enthusiasts will seek out the performance options and carefully compare, than the less demanding (performance) buying public (I include myself in that). That larger group of buyers will be drawn by image, perception and product acceptance (and it must be a good product), but performance may not be the apex for a majority of these buyers. Admittingly, I do not hold the RL as critically as both of you (I could not care less what the 10th of a second performance numbers are, or th g's on the skidpad. I do CARE how the car feels by the seat of my pants), but I dismissed the RL when I made my TL purchase, simply because I did not know much about the car other than it had similar content to the TL and was 10-15K more. I think that buying group qualifies a good chunk of the buying public, and I do put a lot of weight to marketing to get their attention. If Acura wants acknowlegement in the 50K+ range, I think they need to make the public more aware of what the RL has to offer as thier flagship, AND the RL would have to be improved to justify a 50K+ pricetag (IMHO). But I do not see Acura doing that as of yet (maybe in the future with stories of v-8 development). And if Acura decides (for now) not to be in that market, I think they need to change the marketing to improve upon the perception of what a really great car the RL is at its current pricepoint. I believe that would sell more RLs even with its current performance attributes. But I do not think enough people know what the RL is and capable of. On the enthusiasts board I am surpised how many 'informed' TL owners have stepped up to the RL and are suprised how good it is. And that is Acura's own buyers!

    The type of vehicle that will gain Acura for the high end performance enthusiasts is another NSX product, with a bigger engine. That performance technology and impression would eventually trickle down into the more sedate sedan & flagship products. Or perhaps a true $50-60K flagship will rise over the RL, but that I doubt.

    But in the 40-50K bracket, I think the RL is an exceptional vehicle. If it were higher end, 50K+ a more powerful (and likely less efficent) vehicle, it would not have been in my cross hairs. Heck, I nearly missed owning this fine vehicle once already. :)

    Again, I agree with you both about the RL's standing in relation to what it could be. But from my angle, I'd settle for it just as it is, and I think more people would also if they only knew and were inspired enough to get their butt into the seat and drive one. :P
  • I want to give you a 'heads up' for Xmas 2008, in case you listen to our ramblings. My next car will have: a silky smooth V-8 (BMW M-3/Lexus IS-F?), short-throw 6 sp. manual (like S2000), SH-AWD, 4 doors or 2 doors and folding back seats, adjustable suspension w/'sport' option (like MDX), sun-roof (my TL sunroof is fine), bullet-proof reliability (my Hondas & TL meet that requirement), and <$55 K (undercut 2008 M-3). If Lexus makes it, I will switch (IS-F?). If Acura make it, I will buy. Hope your workshop produces the Car in a year. To all sports car lovers visiting these forums, Safe Holidays & Happy New Year!
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    I agree generally with what you are saying. Getting an RL in the low 40's is a tremendous value.

    It seems however, that if Acura does not change the RL in 09 to be a staunch competitor in the 50-60k range as opposed to changing its marketing plan to improve upon the perception of what a great value it is- to me- seems like a celebration of mediocrity.

    The sales figures for the RL are dismal. IMHO- it's not entirely due to Acura's marketing plan. If people want luxury they will go Lexus GS or MB E. If folks want performance, they will go Infinti M and BMW. If folks want a mix they might go Acura. The problem with the RL is that it is in a segment that requires having an optional V8.

    At some point, I will be looking at the 50-60k range for a sedan and I would like to see Acura offer something substantive in this market.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "But from my angle, I'd settle for it just as it is, and I think more people would also if they only knew and were inspired enough to get their butt into the seat and drive one."

    You may be right, that Acura could increase RL sales with an all out blitz to try to get more prospective buyers give it a chance. But I think the increase would be nominal.

    Acura can up marketing dollars for the RL by millions to "toot it's own horn". But the verdict is out, and the automotive press, early adaptors and general enthusiasts didn't fall all over themselves over the RL. Certainly not the way they did over the S2000 or even the little brother TL, with it's 2004 redesign. And let's look at that for a moment - the previous generation TL was a fine car, but really not much more than a gussied up Accord. When the 2004 TL came out, a much more BMW looking aggressive exterior style, a tremendously refined interior, a much more potent engine and suspension, and even an available 6-speed. According to my dealer, I'm one of about 10-15% of TL buyers that bought a 6-speed. HOWEVER, as soon as Acura offered it, along with the other performance upgrades, every car magazine in the rack had a cover story and road test on it. Bingo, Acura was no longer spending big bucks to toot it's own horn, everybody else was doing it for them.

    If you put an RL next to a non-sport 530i automatic, you probably have comparable performance. But a lot of those 5 series are sold to people whose perception of it being the "ultimate driving machine" was formed from accolades from the automotive press testing a 550i 6-speed. With the present RL, Acura has nothing to get the blood boiling among the enthusiast crowd.

    Another point - when that lustworthy Legend GS 6-speed was being sold at $41k in 1994, Acura had a $15-18k Integra, and the non-event $25k Vigor. Period. Very little overlap. As of last year the lineup had expanded to an RSX, TSX, TL and RL all compressed into an even tighter (in real dollars) price range. Acura spent a lot of time in the last 13 years focused on price points that were right in Honda's sweet spot, rather than competing with the Lexus GS and LS segments.

    It is an anomoly to me that Acura deemed that the could sell a $41k car in 1993/4, but not a $60k car in 2006/7. In many ways, I think Acura has much more real engineering talent than does Lexus. Lexus has mastered the ultra reliable, ultra luxurious, ultra techno do-dadded, BUICK. BMW is the worldwide sales leader in the luxury market and they are performance oriented. Lexus has pretty much said, "we can't compete", and instead took on Mercedes. That leaves a market opportunity for Acura, IMO, that they seem hesitent to pounce on.
  • Lexus has mastered the ultra reliable, ultra luxurious, ultra techno do-dadded, BUICK. BMW is the worldwide sales leader in the luxury market and they are performance oriented. Lexus has pretty much said, "we can't compete", and instead took on Mercedes. That leaves a market opportunity for Acura,

    Well-said - but I think Nissan/Infinity has admirably and ably sought to fill that market. Acura seems to have started to do so, but tapered off to a middle-of-the-road type of philosophy.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "Well-said - but I think Nissan/Infinity has admirably and ably sought to fill that market."

    No offense to Infiniti owners, but I don't think they are much of a factor in the "flagship" category of luxury performance sedans. The "Q" sells in volumes that make the RL look like a hot car and the "M" designers are in serious need of some Prozac. I don't think it's sales are anything to write home about either. None of those cars offer a manual transmission and the kind of serious driving dynamics and handling of a 530i, let alone a 550i 6-speed.

    The G35 seems to sell well and matches up better with it's competition. But the marketplace has relegated Infiniti to near insignificance in the higher end market.
  • I forgot about the Q - guess that says something right there - but the M is a great car. Handles well, great accelleration and a nice interior.

    You're right that it doesn't offer a manual tranny - of course the RL doesn't offer a manual either. At least the M is RWD.
  • I just purchased a 07 Silver TL-S Auto. What a fun fantastic car. A month ago we had a 12" snow storm. After they plowed most of the snow, the TL-S got around just fine. I don't think AWD is needed unless you do a lot of driving in snow. I was suprised. Last winter I was driving a $40,000 loaded 4 door Limited Tundra. Just my 2 cents. I was worried the TL-S wouldn't get around in the snow, but it did. :)
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is supposed to be a comparison between the TL and RL. How about we meet up in Acura RL, Acura TL and/or Acura TL-S to continue these conversations about the individual vehicles.

    See you there!
  • I don't think RL is up to competing with BMW 5. It seems more competitive to Audi A6 - FWD/AWD based car which handles similarly. What RL lacks is not V8 really, but rather list of nice small features that make car 'luxury'. Nicer leather, rain sensor, 6sp auto, heated steering wheel, 10 ways or more seats, 8 way passenger seat, heads up display, night vision.

    However, Honda needs to work on V6 as well - torque peaks at too high rpm, 530i seems more lively even when it has less hp and torque. Besides, 18mpg EPA is a joke. Only Infiniti does worse with V6.

    Infiniti seems to want to take on BMW with sporties RWD offerings.

    BMW may cost more than RL, but you won't be feeling that you need to replace your car in 3 or 4 years. You probably will keep the car for 7-8 years and still enjoying it. I was extremely happy with my '97 M3 5sp for 8 years and I stll regret that I sold it. I'll take RL on one more test drive though, I am still undecided if I should take 530xi.
  • Bear, I am shopping for the same cars along with the GS350 and A6.The A6 is joke, the 3.2 engine with the all wheel drive feels slower than my 99 Millenia L.I am taking it off my list, the 4.2 engine is the way to go but it is out of my budget.It's neck and neck between the GS and RL, the 530xi optioned out like the GS and RL is appproaching near mid fifties near sixties in terms of price.For now, I will just play the waiting game and see where prices and interest rates goes in the next few months.
  • I so agree with your point about the letter desigantion that Acura now gives their cars. As a former 2 time Acura Legend owner, when I said I drove an Acura Legend, almost everyone knew what I was driving. They now ask me what I drive, and I respond an Acura TL, and they look at me like I am speaking a foreign language. As much as I enjoy my TL, I do miss the responses I use to get when I said I had an Acura Legend. The funny thing about the letter monikers, the thought was to draw the recognition to the Acura brand name rather than a particular model. I think if Acura really did a survey of average drivers, I think they would find they have lost some of the name recognition they once use to enjoy. I truly feel this has hurt Acura in the upscale market. I think the marque now attracts more former Acura owners than new buyers. I wish Acura would go back to being a leader in this area, rather than a follower of BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, and Audi. Just my take.
  • carfan28carfan28 Posts: 43
    Due to a dealer incentive from 3/1/07- 4/30/07 of $3500 the 2007 RL with navigation- Tech Package can be purchased in the $42K range- I've heard lower in SoCal. Cost difference between the the TL and RL is getting closer.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    I think the difference has remained pretty much the same as last year, since incentives were also given then. If you compare the TL-S against the RL (07 models), then the range becomes narrower.
  • carfan28carfan28 Posts: 43
    It's a great car. Best car I've ever owned.

    I had the TL for 3 1/2 years. I liked it a lot. It has a more sporty ride and is vey quick.

    RL is more luxurious. Nicer leather, real wood all over the interior, smoother ride, quieter cabin, better paint job. No torque steer due to Sh-AWD system.
  • I just bought an RL Tech Package 3 days ago. I had a 2004 TL which had 55,000 miles. I'm very disappointed with the RL sounds system and interior noise level compared to the TL. I'm hoping it's something wrong with this particular car which can be fixed.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Did you test drive the RL beore you bought it? :confuse:

    I don't mean to marginalize your complaint, but I just don't get how the hell someone "discovers" an inferior sound system and road noise after a purchase. Whenever I've taken my 2004 TL in for service, there is always a salesman willing to give me a test drive of the RL. Even had one as a loaner once or twice.

    Perhaps this should be a lesson to all, test drive BEFORE you buy. My wife won't even let me buy a pair of khakis without trying them on.
  • Yes, I did test drive one (a 2007 RL Tech package) and it sounded great and was quiet (albeit, not this particular car). That's all the more reason why I'm so surprised by this. I'm interested in knowing if anyone else has seen this.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    Check the tire pressure first. If overinflated, it causes more road noise. Adjust the sound system tonal controls; I am quite sure that the RL's system is even better than the TL's, even though the latter already has a fantastic one.
  • I have played around with setting the tone controls. I've tried flat equalization (the default) and boosting treble and bass a bit. I don't see any improvement.

    It sounds distorted. I'll check the tire pressure, but they're really loud.

    This car is much noisier inside than my 2004 TL.

    I've already complained to the dealer and I'm waiting to hear back from them.
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