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Regarding the comment about manufacturers, dealers, whatever not being aware of Edmunds.com, that just simply isn't true. Edmunds.com has a huge presence throughout the automotive world, I assure you.
Just completed a 250 mile road trip. 50 miles on very curvy, up and down mountain roads at speeds of 35 or less. Car did great, does have the roll, but we knew that already. Still very comfortable and a great ride. On the interstate part, got 32 MPG at 65 MPH with air on.
Completed two road trips in past month and both times got stuck in interstate traffic jams for 1.5 hours. Speeds of zero to 15 MPH. Even with air on, the temperature did not rise even with outside temp in upper 80's.
No clunks, so I feel sorry for you that have them.
I did look at my passenger wiper and see what everybody is talking about. I clean my windows weekly (benefit of bieng retired) and have never hit the hood, but I see how it could happen. I just run the towel under the blade. Invisable Glass works much better than Windex type products.
No, I don't own an Azera, but I must say that you folks have convinced me it's a very nice car and belongs on just about anyone's short list in this category. The enthusiasm in this entire group is a lot of fun for me to read. Thanks!
:shades:
I'm telling you the truth!
I had to go to the dealership twice on Friday and Saturday.
(1) I went to the body shop and apparently it wasn't a scratch it was the glue from the protective covering. The body shop poured some solution and wiped it off within 2 mins, the car looked brand new. I could have avoided alot of HEADACHE if the service guy would have taken his time to look at the issue rather than brushing me off but because he did I had to contact headquarters. Come to find out the guy is no longer working there hmmmm...They say that issue could have been one of the reason he acted so nasty with me
(2) I had to drive another 80 miles round trip to take the car back regarding the rear sunshade while I was outside waiting my 2 salesman were acting like children peeking out of the window getting their friends to see who I was, you know childish behavior.
One of the other salesman who didn't sell me my car recognized me from coming up to the dealership so many times came over to talk to me and I shared my experience. Needless to say he was pi$$d because everyone's actions dig into his pocket. He went over to them yelled a bit and suddenly they show up to find out what's wrong and they apologize and extend a few free oil changes etc... I still shared with them my displeasure. Although the GM has yet to return any of my 6 phone calls. So long story short until I get a phone call from him or his secretary I will not be doing business with them.
The GM should at least be a man and give me the BS but, be a man! Don't ignore me.
If anyone else would like to rate/review a dealership on sales or service experiences, click on the yellow box at the top of the page. Tell the world what you think!
Don't know what to say about the GM...you would think it would be really easy to pick up the phone and make a courtesy call to apologize for the way his staff has treated you, offer you a few free services and call it a day. I guess it starts at the top, if he shows that he doesn't care about the customers...why should the rest of his staff???
P.S. Let me find out you were causing a rukus up at the dealership by having all the salesmen checking you out. See...that's why they gave you bad service, they wanted to make you keep coming back...JUST so they could look at you some more. LOL
Told him regardless, my call should have been returned by somebody. He gave me the name of the "in charge" person at the Hyundai dealership. This guy was great when I later ran into a problem, to include providing a rental car without my doing more than asking. Shocked the heck out of me
Yeah the guys were behaving as if they were in high school...jerks LOL (don't know if it was because I was hiding behind my shades :shades: being incognegro but anyways they knew who I was) they probably havent sold another black on black Azzy since I left the lot.
One of my salesmen gave me the run around bs why he acted the way he acted then gave me a deadfish handshake with an apology. GRRRR Actually it probably was because the other salesman raised cane
Maybe one of these days our paths will cross, I just hope you're not hiding behind the shades when that time comes.
Not the deadfish handshake! :surprise: LOL
I did a 'search' and didn't get any results, so here goes:
Does anyone have an issue with the transmission downshifting to first gear just
before coming to a complete stop and that causing a jerk and clunking noise? :confuse:
I thought I read something about the problem here, but alas, I cannot
locate the comments and can't remember if there is a fix or TSB.
Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
TSB 07-40-010 August, 2007
AUTOMATIC TRANSAXLE HARSH AND/OR DELAYED
UPSHIFT OR DOWNSHIFT - GDS ANALYSIS
Thanks for pointing out that TSB. I hope that if I can get a dealer to do the 'fix' and that the fix will
correct the problem I am having which is exactly what richardcot discribes in message # 405.
I very seldom use the straight drive position, preferring the control of the tiptronic type feature or manual gate.
I find that there is no need for first gear unless one is starting up from rest going uphill.
Only then I will use first gear.
Has anyone discovered how nice it is when sitting on a slight upgrade, to be able to manually force
the trans to second gear and how the car will hold itself stopped there without one having to keep
the brakes applied, and when it is time to move, nudge the lever to first speed, and the
car will start moving uphill by itself because of the increased torque in first gear?
I wish there was a position to always be able to move from rest in second speed after coming to a full stop (Known is some older cars at a 'second gear start' feature) without having to bump the lever to second.
BTW, this will only work on my car if you are at a complete dead stop. If moving at all, you must reach
a certain preset speed before you can get second gear. Oh well, I guess we can't have it all?
I hope somehow that the lurching into first speed as I slowly come to a
stop when the transmission lever is in the manual gate can be corrected.
Possibly so.
All I do is leave the trans in fifth, and as the car slows down, the trans will drop back to forth and
then third, and it stays engaged in third gear until the car is almost stopped, and then 'wham.'
The computer commands the transmission to engage first gear and it does so rather violently with a clunk.
Perhaps because the car has not yet come to a complete stop? :confuse:
My hand is not yet back on the shift lever.
I agree.
The car has an automatic transmission that is very smooth in shifting. Why don't you give it a chance to operate as an automatic to see if you like it.
IMO anyone who whats to constantly override the the automatic shift pattern, should be purchasing a vehicle with a manual transmission.
bob, you are absolutely right. It's nice to have the override, which we will use when there is "snow" on the ground. You know what that is? Sometimes I use the "manual" when going down a steep hill, otherwise it's the auto tranny which really gives a smooth ride.
Don
One of the reasons I like our car so much is because of the 'Shiftronic' transmission.
In regular 'drive' it is indeed very smooth.
However, I would not have bought the car if it didn't have the 'Shiftronic' feature.
Why you ask.
The fully automatic transmission in not properly programmed IMHO.
It holds each gear far to long, and has a tendency to drop gears to early. The engine has beaucoup
torque and it does not need to rev as much as the fully automatic tranny makes it do.
I wish I could control it even more with the shiftronic feature. Upshifts will not happen as early
as I wish, and unfortunately, there are no custom computer geeks to be able to change that.
Problem with my dealership, and maybe others, is that Hyundai is too small to be truly independent in this day and age and they are part of a larger organization. Therefore the GM deals with the multitude of problems with other cars and is on the road a lot.
The local Hyundai dealer is also dealer for ALL GM products and Nissan. Did get the name of the person "in charge" of the Hyundai and Nissan locations and he has been great in helping me out when needed.
In the big town 35 miles away, the dealer is also the dealer for two Japanese makes, Lincoln and Mercury-maybe more.
The shiftronic transmission is nothing like a manual tranny other than the ability to select shift points, to a degree.
It does not provide the secure lock up between engine and drive shaft, as does a manual transmission.
If I still enjoyed shifting, as I did years ago, I would purchase a vehicle with a manual transmission and get all of the benefits that comes with it.
Very few drivers can shift as smooth and seamlessly as most of the "new" automatic transmissions.
Mine is different in that it will stay in "3" way down to almost a complete stop and then go directly to "1" skipping "2" completely.
Wish it would go into "2" and then perhaps it would not bang into "1" before coming to a complete stop.
If you press the AQ button, it turns on a sensor that measures air quality. When it senses poor quality, it changes the system to recirculate from outside air until it improves. the recirc. ight will go on and off periodically.
BTW, if you want vent only, you have to turn the Auto system off, then press the A/C button to turn on the compressor, the press A/C button to turn off the compressor. You can then change the fan and mode settings. If you change fan and mode without turning A/C on and then off, it comes on when you change fan or mode or temp. The A/C will come on, but the A/C light will not come on. Confusing and not in the book, but that's the way it works.
Also, I have found that I get excellent ventilation by lowering the rear windows about 2 inches without much noise at all.
Enjoy, its a fantastic car, but observe the ride over rough roads.
Maybe, the transmission re-flash would assist you with this problem.
The MSRP for a 2007 Azera Limited is 27,335
The MSRP for a 2008 Accord EX-L V6 is 28,060
Other than the longer warranty, is there any compelling reason to buy an Azera over the new Accord ?
I know some would say the Azera is 'a grade higher', but what exactly is that ? How much more do I get from an Azera ? I just want some reasoning to convince myself to choose the Azera, not the new Accord... Thx.
$27,335 will probably net you a fully loaded Azera Limited, $28,060 will net you what with the Accord EX???
Break it down and see what you get from each vehicle for the price being paid, then go test drive them and see which one you like better!
With the Accord, you're going to get higher resale value and greater economy when it comes to gas. The Azera gives you a longer warranty, a little bit of luxury and more room. You may want to hold off and look at the 2008 Azera when the in-dash nav. units will be available, as well as upgrades to the suspension.
The ventilation system left in "Auto" needs you to also select the "A" button for the above to work.
Now, if you now want to save a few bucks in gas costs, you can turn off the AC and still have everything else functional by hitting the "AC" button twice. The system visually drops out of "Auto" when you turn-on-then-turn-off the AC (the "Auto" led goes out), BUT you retain all the LCD displays (driver/passenger temps, fan speed bars) and if you press the switch for warmer or cooler, the system tries to compensate by altering fan speed and by switching into or out of "recirculation," all w/o the AC coming on.
If you shut off and later restart the engine, the settings remain as you left them (i.e., no AC comes on). Then whenever you press the "Auto" switch, you're all back to normal.
Point being, you CAN switch off the AC if you wish (push the AC button ON then OFF), while retaining all the other environmental controls...
Pay the $30.00 and get Consumer Reports New Car Buying Guide on their website.
For 90 days, you can look up any number of cars, in any configuration as many times as you want. Best of all, they give you the bottom line price the dealer really paid after hold backs, incentives, etc.
The Azera will come in way under Honda or Toyota comparably equipped.
Unfortunately here in Canada the Azera is priced even higher than the Accord (38,195 vs 34,990 - both fully loaded before navigation), and Hyundai discounts even less than Honda !
I really envy you Americans always getting a better deal ! :P
Good luck with your deicision making. Personally...I think you'll be quite happy with the Azera!!!