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Do you think I should let them keep the leased car, but what are my consequences? They told me if I end my lease early I will be responsible for $10,000. I wonder why??
You guys need to get a case started if you have not done it already, contact the company "Pontiac", and word it precisely, then see what they have to say. Throw in the fact that the car is unsafe and not drivable. Stay professional about it with them. Keep all records from any trip to the repair shop at your dealer. Get the name of the service manager, and give this to them as well. Hope this helps, Keep calm, they cannot force you to drive it or pay to get out of it, since you have a legitimate case, and legally they are not hold their end of the contract.
As a lease owner, it is your responsibility to do basic maintenance, oil changes, tire rotations, keep up fluids. Keeping it clean, staying within normal wear and tear. I don't think replacing a shifter is one of them.
Personally, if you gave another brand a chance, you could have better luck, Even the used G8's with a few 1,000 miles on them can be had for a about $25k , give or take. Some loaded! GM has too many cars too worry about. Atleast get a car that doesn't depreciate so much, that you are in a money pit. Literally, I was able to trade out of my Accord, after 1yr into the lease. Owing nothing on it! I want my Accord back! Sit in an Accord, or new Acura, you'll see, feel the difference.
Although no problems with my G6, 7,600miles, I will try to trade next spring!
So essentially because you had a bad product from Pontiac, the dumped the problem on you..... Pontiac did not help you at all. The Dealer didn't either. They just didn't take the car back, ROLLING $7,000 into the new loan! For something that is not your problem, Pontiac breached the lease contract or warranty, not providing you a safe car, not satisfactory. You got royal screwed, and to top it off, you got another pontiac.... Wow, I am sorry, but I am mad just hearing about this. You did, they used you. They made a defected product that is unsafe, and in order to get out, you have to absorb the problem! They did not help you. Plus you put down your well earned $4k!! That is a bad deal! Plus the fact that Pontiac SUV, depreciates so fast, they are not selling well now too. Pontiac depreciates so fast anyway. Your already after having it new, way upside down. See, this is why people ask my, why did you choose a Pontiac? I kid you not, I had a guy yesterday ask me, what made you choose Pontiac. I have an 08 G6, I really like it, offers alot, it is fun, but it does not compare to my 06 accord, that has refinement, and amazing engine, I told him, it wasnt my choice, Plus, I came from an 06 Accord. I told him, I will be back to the Accord. I will next spring, though I signed the lease last spring, I am investigating ways to get out, and certainly not rolling money from it to the new lease. It is possible.
Sorry, if I seem really harsh, but hearing about that, you really got hammered on that deal. They saw you were desperate, and shown you the only way out, I wouldn't have done that. When in reality, they took advantage of you, and your money. Too late now, but you'll know next time. :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
I never would have thought, I would've got a bad comment on what I done. Who are you to judge, I see you still have that junk!!! You was the one who made a bad deal or decision choosing a Pontiac over a honda. Honda is best American car out there. There is no other way out of your lease!!
Honestly, I did not mean anything by it. I did not choose my G6 by choice, I guess I am just frustrated for that fact that I am stuck with this car for awhile. I will try soon. It is frustrating to see how you had to dig yourself out of Pontiacs problem. Seriously, they should have stepped up and did something for you. It makes me so mad when they give you a contract to sign, and your held up to it, but yet they "company" are not. I am sorry. I will be back to Honda, I am thinking either an Accord or a Acura tsx.
Really, it makes me mad they did that to you, you shouldn't have to use your well earned dollar. I just feel you had other options than doing this, that is all. Its sounds harsh, but it was not aimed at you, it was geared for Pontiac, and the dealer for not stepping up to help you. I still feel that they took advantage of you. The fact that there are many other great brand out there.
I am currently trying to see where I stand getting out of the G6, and into the Accord, it looks a bit upside down, but if I can get out and pay a little more" within reason of course" I will do it, or just wait. It might be worth it. I think what I am facing now is the initial depreciation that all new cars have the first year, then it levels off, along with your pay off. It still goes down, but not like the first year of ownership. A real bummer, but I do like the G6, its fun, with the leather, roof, music, xm. Its not a bad car at all, but hearing people having issues with it, well I would change my liking to it really fast.
I have 8,000miles, so far so good. The one issue I have is the 4cyl engine with its 4spd transmission is so unpredictable, it jumps around too much, and my previous 06 Accord had much more power, better mileage for a 4cyl. It was so much more refined, quiet.
that was it for me and i took a loss and recently dumped the pos g6 for a made in japan mitsubishi lancer which i love.this is why the big 3 and more noticibly gm is failing because they put out poorly made vehicles and worse yet very poor customer service.i would not bail out gm and if it were up to me i would hammer the last nail in gm coffin and put them out of their missery cuz they have caused pain and missery to others by producing inferior products that can not stand up to the [non-permissible content removed] cars.
Have you noticed the commercials from GM, they mention a car, like Pontiac, Cadillac, and then they ask you if you are surprised? Uh, well yes, but way overpriced when compared to the other competitors. There is no way I would get a $40k Cadillac CTS when there other cars that pretty much offer the same standard as that. Though the CTS, the escallade are very nice, but I feel its like Holister, Abercrombie, you are just paying for the name. The CTS should be priced around its competitors. The Acura is a step up from the CTS and yet is cheaper, holds its value better in time.
I think the Commercials just indirectly admit guilt that not all their cars are up to that standard. Another perspective would be that if you be a civic or Fit which is the lowest model car in the Honda line up, you are going to get the same quality level as you would on the higher end, quality has not been sacrificed. Now get a lower end GM and it shows its colors of being the lowest trims.
If I did not have the leather, the sunroof, sound, and all the features on my 4cyl sedan G6, there is no way it would stack up to a lower end Accord, Civic, It would just be a blaw car with no pizazz at all. You can get a lower end accord and it still feels classy. You know that your a good car company when you can honestly say you have put all your sweat into every model. If GM didn't have so many cars, maybe they could focus on quality rather than quantity. After I am done with the G6, I will probably not be back to GM. I am not the only one to say that.
I am taking it in to have my transmission looked at closely. I am telling them to take all the time in the world to look at it. Drive it and inspect it. I feel that there is something not entirely right for a car that only has 15,000 miles. However, I do plan on driving an identical car, perhaps asking them if I could drive one for the day to see if there are any differences. I am just worried, they will tell me they have found nothing. Its normal. I do plan on typing up a symptom sheet and give it to them.
I am just nervous to look as though I am making it all up.
The dealer will have had my car for 2 days now, and I hoping the give me some news on what is going on. It better be the something really is wrong. Something I can work from.
Also, I am not sure the catilic converter even controls how it shifts through the gears. Effecting the performance, but a rough shifting transmission? They said they had to drive it a couple times to repeat the issue, but I drive about an hour each day back and forth to work. I would certainly know if something was up.
I do plan to take the car back if it is acting that way again when I get it back. I feel this way..... I pay too much a month, and work too hard for my money to be unhappy with a leased car. Luckily I have an awesome and low payment for my model of car now, so I will transfer the lease to someone else once they have checked everything out.
I am a little sad and disappointed, they put together a great package, and a great looking car, but get behind the wheel, and it just leaves you feeling with something more to be desired.
I plan on getting out.
Recall Alert: PONTIAC G6
Owner Notification Date: Feb 17, 2009
Number of Units Potentially Affected: 8012
Component Description: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:BRAKE LIGHTS
NHTSA Campaign Number: 09V036000
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Description of Recall Campaign: GM IS RECALLING 8,012 MY 2005-2006 PONTIAC G6 VEHICLES. THE BRAKE LAMPS MAY NOT OPERATE PROPERLY BECAUSE OF CORROSION IN A WIRING CONNECTOR. CORROSION IN THE CONNECTOR COULD CAUSE THE BRAKE LAMPS TO ILLUMINATE WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL HAS NOT BEEN DEPRESSED, OR THE LAMPS MAY NOT ILLUMINATE WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL IS DEPRESSED. IN ADDITION, THE CRUISE CONTROL MAY NOT ENGAGE, AND GREATER BRAKE PEDAL FORCE MAY BE REQUIRED TO SHIFT THE VEHICLE OUT OF PARK.
BRAKE LAMPS THAT ARE NOT OPERATING PROPERLY MAY NOT WARN A DRIVER IN A FOLLOWING VEHICLE OF THE BRAKING STATUS AND COULD LEAD TO A CRASH WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING.
DEALERS WILL APPLY A DIELECTRIC LUBRICANT TO THE CONNECTOR TO PREVENT CORROSION. THIS SERVICE WILL BE PERFORMED FOR YOU FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR BEFORE FEBRUARY 17, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT PONTIAC AT 1- 800-620-7668 OR OWNER CENTER AT WWW.GMOWNERCENTER.COM.
GM RECALL NO. 80317.CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .
I have also just had my rotors turned by the dealership for the 2nd time (bought at 17K currently at 33K) and also need pads. I am considering trying to find aftermarket calipers as well. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I am not a person that is hard on my cars engine nor the brakes... I drive mostly highway, less city. However, makes me wonder if it is normal. I had this on my 06 Accord, but it was later on at about 25,000 or so when it every now and then showed up.
Some of this normal?
Apparently I've been lucky, because I didn't have to replace brakes until about 45k on my 2006 G6. But I was doomed after that, of course.
They said my rotors were absolutely fine when I replaced the front brakes - I made sure of that.
The problems started immediately. Squeaking, squeeling, etc. I think they had to replace my brake pads four times. Then they told me my rotors were bad, but not before accusing me of being "hard on my brakes." (Then I reminded them that the first set lasted 45k.)
So, here's what I discovered after lots of Q&A with mechanics and owners:
I had my brakes replaced at Goodyear. I usually ask for "good" brakes, a step or two above the cheap ones. Apparently that was a bad idea, because Goodyear installed CERAMIC brakes. Until now, I didn't know the difference. Well, apparently ceramic brakes need to be paired with rotors that are a bit tougher and not so worn-out. So, at 45k, putting brand new ceramic brake pads on my old rotors was a really bad thing to do - my rotors didn't have a chance. I have a feeling if I had put the cheapest brake pads available on my car, my rotors would have been fine for a while.
Goodyear, of course, denies this. They won't take the blame for putting incompatible brake pads on my old rotors.
And, interesting -- My mom owns a Saturn Vue. She's at around 35k. She had to replace her brakes at the same time that I did. She went to a different shop but had the exact same problems. Literally, the EXACT same problems. In fact, she's still dealing with the problems. I think the Vue has the same rotors/brakes as the G6.
So after resurfacing my rotors twice and burning through 4 sets of ceramic brake pads on my G6, I finally decided to take matters into my own hands. I did some research online, spoke to some mechanics, and came up with a plan.
Since our G6's have problems with overheated rotors, a mechanic recommended a drilled/slotted rotor. Since I am sour on ceramic brakes, I went ahead and bought the brake pads that were recommended for the new rotors. I ended up purchasing EBC 3GD Sport slotted and dimpled front brake discs. Then I purchased the "Greenstuff" brakes that went along with them. (I purchased online at Summit Racing.)
My order arrived and I took everything to Brake Masters and had them installed. Additionally, I made sure to specfically tell them to NOT use the electric tool to tighten the lug nuts. Apparently the number 1 cause of overheated rotors is over-torqued lug nuts. I didn't want to take any chances.
So they installed the new brakes and rotors. When I paid for the labor, the manager openly told me (without me asking) that he's not sure if what I did is going to solve my problems. I never told him I had a problem, so I inquired... He said the Pontiac G6 is the worst car in the world with brakes & rotors. He thinks Pontiac has a huge problem that they're going to have to do something about.
Anyway, I am staying positive...
I drove out and couldn't believe the difference. The new set up is absolutely SILENT, I have NO VIBRATION, and my car STOPS perfectly.
I've driven it several hundred miles already, and I have absolutely NO PROBLEMS with my new rotors and brakes. I'm convinced my car is cured. Whether it was just the rotors, just the brakes, or a combination of the two - whatever I did WORKED.
So I wanted to get on these boards and share that information, just in case there are others out there who are ready to do some brake/rotor replacement, or who are having problems. So far, so good with this setup.
If my status changes, I will certainly log on and let you all know. I guess there's a good chance I may encounter problems in a few thousand miles... But I can't imagine why?? If my first set of brakes/rotors (the cheap junk that Pontiac gave us) lasted 45k, I can't imagine why replacing BOTH parts with brand new, better-quality parts won't last just as long, if not longer.
~ Jenny
I think i have same problem as you HAD.
I have 06 Pontiac G6 95k. I just bought it and i really love it.
One thing that i notice from beggining is that on my (driving) side there is this little "thump"sound in area where the tire is.
I am almost convinced that my rotor /caliper are not doing good together anymore.
Car was sitting at the dealership for who know how long and the corrosion must have done it.
What i am interested about is where and and what product did you get to SOLVE this problem ?? How much should i be looking spending for this.
THanks!
That's fine and dandy for a Chevy, but we are talking about Pontiacs here. Secondly, I don't care how dang hard you are on brakes; in no case should they need to be replaced at 20 some thousand miles. :mad:
Pontiac, Chevy, Saturn, etc, I am sure they all use similar parts, if not the same.
All GM products. The new malibu and G6 use an incredible amount of similar or like parts. In my book, all those brands are the same, but with different look or title.