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Check out NTB for a comparison. Last I checked, Sam's still wasn't allowed to sell this tire after the whole selling below wholesale scandal where they lost the account (Search here: "All-Terrain T/A KO" for an explanation).
---C.
The Dunlop SP9000 is a better all-around tire than the XGT V4, the SP8000 is probably better, the Nitto NT450 is better.
Compared to MXV4 Energy's just about anything is better. I know I'll be replacing those things at about 20K miles no matter how much they are worn out with something better and cheaper!
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You can't compare apples to oranges and expect the same results.
I buy cars for the cars, not for the tires. Tires can be replaced on a car you like as they do tend to wear out after 20, 30, 40K miles.
Do you buy a car because it has a certain brand of tire on it or do you buy a car because of the car itself?
As for the XGT V4s. They replaced Goodyear Eagle Gatorbacks on my probe GT which were excellent tires. Granted the Gatorbacks were summer only tires and had a treadwear of I believe 180. But nonetheless, they were quieter, rode smoother, provided better handling, and tracked better in rain than the XGT V4s. I bought the XGT V4s because of Michelins so-called "excellent" reputation! Turned out they are over-hyped!
True, the SP9000 is a step above the XGT V4 because of all-season HP tire vs. Ultra high performance summer tires, but if you don't know already the whole Pilot series from Michelin is generally rough riding & loud. But of course the upside is they will last forever. My gatorbacks lasted 21K miles, my XGT V4s have about 40K miles on them now and will probably still last about 5K more miles.
Sorry, but MXV4s stink! They are overpriced and overhyped. And quite simply, better overall tires are available for less money.
I don't know how I managed that many miles - maybe it was the front wheel drive - the turbo didn't kick in early enough to spin them up. A friend had an 87 Mustang GT - barely got 15K out of his.
I replaced them with some no name brand. IIRC, only that Daytona used that size and two manufacturers made tires in that size - you had a choice between $800 for Gatorbacks or $500 for no name tires. Was planning on getting rid of the toy so there was $300 in my pocket to pay towards the new car.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults
The Michelin X-1s received top ratings in their class. However, the MXV4s and Pilot series were at or near the bottom in their respective classes.
Pretty interesting stuff.
Sorry didn't think about that. I'll take you shopping when I go to buy my next car!
I wouldn't ask a dealer to switch tires since they will wear out and I will be replacing them soon.
Yes, the Gatorbacks were eclipsed a while ago by many newer design tires just like the MXV4 is eclipsed today by many newer design tires.
Tires like the Dunlop SP9000, Toyo Proxes series, Nitto NT450, NT500(?), Bridgestone G-Force, etc. eclipse it. The Gatorback though was a very good tire and I was strictly comparing it to the Pilot XGT V4. The Gatorbacks were good because of a few reasons. Although I trashed my car those tires still lasted 21K miles. Second, they never squealed when taking turns hard, the dry handling was great, and it did well on wet until around 15K miles.
Since I live in the Seattle area, I'm looking for tires that will work on wet roads (I'm not talking about Texas-gully-washer wet, just three-straight-days-of-constant-rain wet) as well as providing good "sport-touring" handling on dry roads.
Any comments would be appreciated.
People believe what they see on the TV, and some people like the tireguy gobble up all the technical data they can and somehow in their minds that turns them into experts. All I care about is how the tire performs on my car or truck, and if it gets a few thousand more miles before I have to replace them that's nice. What I want is a safe, sure, quiet and comfortable ride and I've never gotten any of that from a Michelin tire.
I couldn't find the list of weights you posted.
Can you tell me, what type does Honda use ?
I think my alloys are damaged by (possibly) foreign weights. I might take wheels to a shop
to be polished ( instead of silver-painted as they are now ) and clear-coated again (there's dents and curb rush too). What do you reckon this may cost me ?
Thanks,
Stan
I do push Yokohamas. I had a set of Geolander A/T's on my T-100. They are guaranteed to last 40000. They currently have 30000 and show marginal tread wear. My friend owns this truck now. They were excellent handling tires to be a LT weight tire. According to Consumer Reports, they said that these tires were awful in the snow. However, my friend did not have any problems in our 2-footer last winter and thats in NC.
I never had experience with the AVS. I have always bought LT heavy load tires for my trucks because I haul a lot of wood among other things.
I have also had a set of Michelin LTX A/T on that same truck and they lasted 53000. They also handled well but not as good as the Yokohamas.
My current Michelins, the LTX M/S ride slightly better, but they do not share the handling characteristics and they do not do as well in the rain. This could be a misnomer. My T-100 was lower to the ground than my Tundra, so this may have something to do with it. This is where those Bilstein's come in like you have. I have had the A/T in the snow and it handled it quite well. I haven't had the M/S in the snow. I parked the truck when we got all our snow this past winter. Both of these trucks was/is 2WD.
I hope this helps!
The Michelin LTX M/S is perfect for your 2wd Yukon and they are tried and proven out to be an excellent tire over the years. I've had two sets of these on two different SUV's, and couldn't be happier with that tire.
I don't have any experience with the Bridgestones, so I can't comment other than to say that I'm a little sqeamish about the Bridgestone/Firestone name right now.
Note: If your tire dealer won't give you a nice price adjustment by trading in the Firestones, have them bag them for you and put them in your truck. Store them at home until 1) Firestone recalls them or refunds your Michelin purchase, or 2) You can put them back on your Yukon down the line when you get ready to re-sell (good rubber helps resale value).
Good luck!
Barry
Barry
Many thanks to TireMan and all the others on this board for responses to my post on replacing the Goodyear Eagle GAs on my '95 LS400.
I've always had great performance from Michelins so I've now considered the X-1, Energy MXV4+, and the Pilot XGT-V4s.
The X-1, while great for many vehicles, has too low a speed rating for the LS. The Pilot, on the other hand, has more performance than the LS can handle. The Energy MXV4+ seems to fall in the middle so, while expensive, that's the way I'll go.
Thanks again!
By the way - what's the consensus opinion on getting these in H-rating vs. V-rating? It's a $60 difference for a set of 4. The new Lexus LS430 comes with H-rated 16" tires standard (like my older '95 LS400) with an upgrade package to V-rated 17-inchers.
Also - in 225x60x16 (H-rated) size, Costco's out-the-door price, with Road Hazard coverage, beats TireRack's delivered price (which is without Road Hazard, or mounting, balancing, etc.).
Whattadeal. Hope the Costco Energy MXV4+ version is the exact same as the TireRack version.
Jeff
Then you have italics. Now how do you get the ^%*&%%^* htings off?
I've got a 98 Mazda 626 with about 28K miles. The factory tires do extremely poorly in rain and snow (I live in Wisconsin), so I need advice on picking up some good snow/rain tires. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks
As far as all season tires, I bought several different sets of the Michelin X-ones (or plus) for various vehicles. They won't be as good as real snow tires but for all other conditions they are excellent. They have decent steering response (better than GY LS) and are long wearing (2X the GY LS). And you can't argue about Michelin quality.
They are available at the warehouse clubs (Costco, BJ, Sams).
owner's manual states that if snow tires are used, they should be mounted on all four wheels.
Suggestions/comments would be appreciated.
Two possibilties are the Dunlop D60 A2 JLB and the Michelin Pilot XGT H4. Also any recommendations for "Plus" sizing for this car with the stock alloy wheels?
Any Ideas?
Also, going to higher performance tires and plus sizing is probably going to make it worse. I afraid without some specific recommendation that your noise problem can only be solved with those 'old people', soft riding, mushy type of tires.