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Acura MDX (pre-2007)

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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    feature on the radio? Pretty cool. Instantly sets 6 radio stations without losing your original settings. What a great feature for long road trips. I also enjoy the steering wheel mounted radio controls.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I read up on the spare operation. Its pretty good how they have the spare tucked away under the body so you cannot see it from the rear. I haven't climbed underneath yet, but I wonder how dirty/rusted it will get under the car? Has anyone thought about trying to get a full size spare to fit under there?
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I don't get how some $40k vehicles don't have audio controls in the steering wheel. It seems like a very commonly used feature that everyone should have.

    The radio station feature was in my old Integra, I guess it's not too uncommon.

    Some people have bought full-sized spares, by buying a Touring or Premium wheel, and then adding the appropriately sized Goodyear Integrity or Michellin Cross Terrain SUV tire. It fits, since I believe the current spare is full diameter. However, the current spare is not full width, so the full-sized spare will have its bottom a bit closer to the ground.

    If you can find a steel wheel it's all the better, since a nice alloy one will catch junk on it as you drive over it.
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    I think a redefinition of AWD may be in order. The MDX, unless it recently changed, is a front driver in normal conditions. The rear driveshaft is always turning, but power is not applied to the rear wheels. There is only the front differential that is 100% connected to the driveline. The center and rear driveline compnents are not differentials, per se, but are actually hydraulic clutch packs that are electrically engaged to provide power in slippery conditions or when slip is 'predicted.' I believe the left rear and right rear can operate independently if slip occurs. Not spinning the front wheels may have to do with a lighter-weight set-up causing damage w/spin, whereas not towing may have to do with not being able to disengage the automatic transmission and overheating the tranny with the engine not running.

    "True" AWD's are vehicles like the Range Rover that operate in 4wd always. The only way to 'hold' the MDX in all-wheel-drive is with the dash button, but that disengages once you get out of second gear or over 18mph.

    The May/June issue of Motor Trend's Truck Trend has a great discussion of the various AWD, 4x4 set-ups.

    Michael
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    There's a good thread here that proposes definitions for AWD, 4WD, etc. It's under SUV's and is entitled "4WD and AWD Systems Explained."

    By its definitions, the MDX is actually full-time AWD. It is not, say, "permanent 4WD" like the MB M-class.

    Realistically, the definitions of AWD, 4WD, etc. are blurry and often distorted by automotive marketeers.
  • doudoudiddoudoudid Member Posts: 76
    i think Leokadia1 is not the only one who feel we shouldn't pay MSRP or above for any vehicle including MDX.

    people paying premium price for MDX is not only because it's HOT, also it's in a SHORT supply, i really don't understand why people need to pay more in order to cover aura's mistake. sometime i'm wondering honda is doing it in purpose not resolving production and dealer's problems.

    well, but it's surely a wonderful marketing skill. nothing better than a group of loyal customer not only paying extra money but come back to defend you.....
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    I agree, the MDX is all-wheel-drive in capability, even though it usually runs in 2wd. I just can't see the "full-time" part, since it generally runs in 2wd, unless the full-time part defines that it can be used anytime.

    So, it is AWD and not full-time/permanent 4WD. The only way to keep it in full-time AWD, though, would be to keep the gas pedal floored where slip may then be generated and the clutch-packs activate.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Apparently the definition of "full-time AWD" includes the fact that it is always in the mode where AWD may engage, without prompting by the driver. So full-time doesn't mean that it's always in AWD, just that it's full-time ready to switch into AWD (confusing, huh?).

    "Permanent AWD" means that all four wheels are always being powered, usually in something approaching a 50/50 split. It's essentially "permanent 4WD" without the low range. An example of permanent AWD is the torsen-based Audi quattro system.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    I think all purchasing decisions are made by the individual and what they want to pay, no matter what the manufacturer says.

    Yes, I think it stinks that some dealerships, Acura or otherwise, try to gouge above MSRP.

    Yes, I don't like the idea of paying MSRP.

    However, I think the complaint originally voiced here is the repeated and continuing griping by the same individuals over MSRP / above-MSRP, at the exclusion of more productive discussion about the vehicle, whether one is interested or not.

    I don't think anyone is complaining about the opinions, positive or negative, so long as it doesn't end up sounding like a broken record. One should make their point, as it is their right to do, and then one should move on. No sense beating a dead horse. Some other forums here have been destroyed (IMHO) by the relentless repetition of the same negative theme, and the owners have thus left Townhall for other systems.
  • leokadia1leokadia1 Member Posts: 94
    The same MDX in Canada sells for $48,000.00 Canadian Dollars = $30,000.00 US Dollars. But the warranty in Canada is only 3 years/36,000 miles. Honda cars don't breakdown @ 36,000 miles or 236,000 miles.
    Honda Corporation must think we Americans' have money to burn! And they prove it every time someone pays full MSRP for a MDX.

    I will buy a MDX from the first US dealer who takes off $2,500.00 from MSRP. That dealer will be still making more than $2,500.00 on that sale!
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    So we know the price. No need to go further down that path :-) I think the MDX is fulltime AWD, since you cannot disengage the system. All 4 wheels don't have to have power all the time to define AWD.

    Interesting about the transmission overheating? Maybe that is why they recommend not using a regular tow truck? I thought it would be something to do with the rear clutches? The rears are not engaged while at normal speeds, but can you spin the rears without the fronts moving? Maybe it doesn't work both ways.
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    I think you just want to "peel out" like in the Beach Boys or Jan & Dean songs. "My 4speed, dual-quad, posi-traction 409." LOL
    I wouldn't think you could spin the rears independent of the front since the rears are only activated (and rear left/right separately) to get the vehicle moving or with anticipated slip.
    Wouldn't you need some sort of brake traction control like on the Range Rover or Toyota's for that to happen? Then again, if you had brake traction control, none of the wheels should spin(?) It would seem that the clutch activation would proportion the amount of torque to the rear wheels to prevent them from spinning and the front is always connected to power. So, front spin, clutch activation, rear tires get power, (hopefully) move the vehicle forward.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The MDX's set-up does invite some heat buildup.

    When the MDX was first introduced, Acura said that extra transmission and power steering coolers were necessary if you towed above 2,000 lbs. This was amended almost immediately to requiring the coolers for all towing circumstances. They are not cheap.

    There has been some speculation that repeated, prolonged towing could shorten the life of the transmission. The MDX doesn't have a true differential in the rear, it's a set of wet clutch packs. I'd definitely use the coolers as recommended.

    I think the vehicle is designed for occasional towing, but nothing very extensive. I'd recommend a beefier frame-based SUV or a pickup for that. Most of the hybrid, car-based SUV's (or whatever one chooses to call them) seem to be oriented toward the buying profile where off-roading and touring are only occasional, if at all. The tradeoffs are a unibody design that reduces weight somewhat, for theoretically better fuel economy, better ride comfort, performance, and less rattles and squeaks.

    For folks who need to tow extensively, do a lot of off-roading, I think something like a Montero, Axiom, Sequoia, or Explorer are better choices. Buy the vehicle that fits your needs best.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The maintenance schedule says that if you drive mostly short distances, you should follow the "severe driving" schedule. This is changing the oil every 3750 miles (instead of 7500 miles for normal). We live 5 minutes from our supermarket, how much would be ideal warm up time to ensure "normal" conditions? typically I just monitor the oil color and change when it starts getting dark or around 5000 miles, whatever comes first. With the Acura, they recommend only at intervals, not even after the 1st 1000 miles, which I believe is normal for brand new vehicles. Any suggestions on break in, outside the standard manual answers? I have 220 miles currently.

    That makes sense about the overheating and towing (or being towed). If I have to tow it will be with my trooper. The only thing I might add a hitch for would be bike rack.
  • will4271will4271 Member Posts: 187
    I think there should be more categories for the MDX discussions. Then we would not running in discussion confusions.

    I propose a section for:

    - Price paid for MDX
    - Dealer experiences
    - Mechanics problems (probably flawless)
    (in addition to this section).

    Just like the other discussions groups like the Honda Accord, or Odys..

    Just an idea.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Sounds like a project for the Acura MDX Owners Clubs board.

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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I stopped looking at the club when I realized that most everybody posts in the Main board. It is also much easier to get to through the "SUV" topic, so that is why everyone probably gravitates to the one board. Now that there are more owners the club is a good idea to try to use. All the MSRP talk could go into the Dealers section :-)
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    Steve told me MDX owners needed some special attention. I've added some discussions to the Acura MDX Owners Club. Let me know if you need anything else.

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  • gotothelightgotothelight Member Posts: 31
    in the new MDX Owners club for response to your, uh, comments. Thanks to Steve and Karen for the "new" place to take these otherwise useless posts off-line. Good idea will4271
  • jamiestockmanjamiestockman Member Posts: 35
    SBCOOKE

    The Auto-Select function actually picks 12 FM and 6 AM stations for you and places temporarily on your 6-station selection buttons. By selecting FM a second time, you'll be able to go to the second band of 6 FM stations you've been missing.

    Jamie S.
  • pica2pica2 Member Posts: 1
    Soon after picking up my Touring MDX with power seats, I began to get annoying squeaking sounds from the driver's seat. Movement in the seat, road bumps or turns cause the squeak. It is quite loud and seems to come from the right back, bottom of the seat. Anybody else with this problem? I have never seen it mentioned. The vehicle also seems to surge slightly while cold and going up a slight grade exiting my driveway. Still very pleased with the vehicle. I find it very comfortable and quiet as compared to my 96 Bonneville.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    So how do you return to your "permanent" selected stations?

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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Wow, thats even better than I thought!

    The manual says to turn off the "auto" feature and your old stations will return.
  • aggie76aggie76 Member Posts: 266
    Having owned two Integra's with the auto feature on the radio and using it much during travels I really have missed it since we sold those Acura's. Now having our MDX we find it very useful during various trips around the Texas area. Seems such an easy program to add to a radio, I wish some other auto manufacturers would offer it since Acura's don't meet all my automotive needs or desires.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Thanks Sbcooke. I don't think my Quest's auto feature works that way, but it'd be nice if it did. I always wind up reprogramming the "home" buttons after road trips. Gotta read the manual tonight.

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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I tried it out today. In under 30 seconds I had 12 new FM and 6 AM stations programmed. Combined with the steering wheel mounted controls makes for a super creature feature. I often take 4 hour road trips to visit family. When the Auto is off, it went right back to my preset stations. This is much better than re-programming stations every time you go away. I wonder if the Pilot will have this feature? It may not justify a 3K difference, but add up little features like this and it might.
  • meridian1meridian1 Member Posts: 6
    There is a TSB for the seat problem. As for the surge, I usally experierence it once within the first 10 seconds of driving in a day. Consensus for others (another site) is that this is related to the ULEV features and is normal.
  • tso2001tso2001 Member Posts: 11
    has anyone added monitors & dvd setup in the mdx and can recommend makes, models, $$, likes and dislikes ? Just basic stuff like 2 screens in the front headrests and dvd player. Thanks.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    When I test drove one it had a DVD movie player in it. I believe it is the same as the pilot/odyssey that you cannot have the nav and external system? At least not run through the stock electrical system. Anyway, this was a ceiling mounted DVD above the center console. They wanted about $1200 on top of MSRP for the dvd player. This was dealer installed and marked up, so maybe you could get one for $600-800? It was slick though with wireless headsets for people in back.
  • greyskrgreyskr Member Posts: 7
    Well, I took my MDX to the local Honda dealer for the 7,500 mile service. (No local Acura dealers.) The Acura owner's manual says to change the oil, rotate the tires and change the rear differential fluid. My bill was $128 and change! Honda checked the brakes, steering and suspension components as part of the 7,500 mile service.

    Any other other experience with the Acura 7,500 mile service charges?

    Regards, Jim
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    Does anyone know what brand it is, i.e. Pioneer, Alpine, Panasonic, etc.?
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I checked out my compass tonight. 1st it was set to the wrong "magnetic zone", it was set to the default "8". So I set that and then recalibrated. It calibrated itself in 3/4 a turn, the manual says to make 2 full turns? I made 2 full turns, but it already had the direction set in the first. Pretty simple to set, but another "detail" my dealer forgot. Overall I wasn't overly impressed with the delivery of my vehicle.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The price you paid sounds about right. MDX owners have paid wildly different prices for the 7,500 mile service, I've seen everything from $69 to $240! Pays to call around.

    Since Honda dealers will soon be selling the Pilot, they should have what they need to provide MDX maintenance. Helps folks who live far from an Acura dealership.

    The VTM-4 fluid, as you probably know, doesn't need to be changed again until either 30k miles under "normal" driving conditions, and every 30k miles afterwards. For "severe" driving conditions, it'll be at 15k, then every 15k after that.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Most of what I've seen people do are aftermarket installs. Haven't seen one in the headrest yet, just ones from the roof.

    It remains to be seen if the DVD player for the Pilot, which is sold as an accessory, can be put in the MDX. One issue could be its length. E.g. does it interfere with the moonroof (the Pilot doesn't have a moonroof). And how would the controls integrate -- on the Pilot, it shares the same controls where the nav would be, hence you can't get a Pilot with both the nav and the DVD system, like the Odyssey.

    I don't know what brand it is but someone in the Odyssey forum will probably know.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Don't forget to check your tire pressures if you haven't already. Dealers are notorious for not adjusting the psi - usually the pressure is way high for shipping purposes.

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  • heatmiser1heatmiser1 Member Posts: 122
    Wow! What a deal! Bet you will sell these real fast at that price...
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Thanks. I did that the first day I got home, as well as oil, washer fluid, etc. I haven't checked the transmission fluid yet, but will in the next few days.

    I like the idea of using honda for service. I bet there will be decreased cost over the long term by doing so. Anyone else have such luck getting a honda dealership to do work?

    The touring package is $2600, does that make $1800 fair for wheels? Hmmmm...6 cd - $250? Power memory seats $400? Roof rack $200? well probably close.
  • jnt1jnt1 Member Posts: 4
    Well, it's been almost 20 months since taking delivery of our silver touring w/navi MDX and here are my impressions.

    1. Overall build quality is superb. Really. No squeaks or rattles and all controls work with the fluidity and ease that I expect from Honda/Acura. And we do punish the vehicle with continuous snowboarding trips and home depot visits. BTW, has anyone visited the GM Trailblazer et al discussion group? Sad.
    2. Engine/Drivetrain. You can never be too thin, too rich or have enough engine hp. More power would be nice although I would not be willing to give up fuel economy for it. Overall, great compromise, especially when compared to the X5. Average 20-22mpg per tank on 50/50 highway/city.
    3. Navigation system. Bought it because we knew it was a toy. A fun toy. Oh, but how useful that toy has become. We have found it simple to use and intuitive. If you like gadgets, get this one.
    4. Ride and Handling. Always feels nimble and light. The best way to describe it would be typical Honda/Acura handling characteristics. I always feel like I'm driving a smaller vehicle. Decent on center feel but slightly firmer steering would be appreciated. Smooth as glass on highways and not bad at all in the twisties.
    5. Utility. Really shines in this department. Clever. We rarely use the third row of seats but they have come in handy. Fold flat, tumble feature is the benchmark in this class. Also, no drivetrain tunnel and completely flat floor is something almost transparent but is a key feature in creating the spaciousness of the vehicle.
    6. Problems. Had to have the driver's seat replaced at 10k as the adjustments stopped working. Fixed under warranty. Had left front strut tightened then replaced. Those familiar with this initial problem know that it has been addressed by Honda/Acura. Gas tank "thud" - getting used to it. Acura service had been exemplary. (Plus, they now have RSX loaner cars. Fun.)

    Overall, a great vehicle. We would buy another. Hopefully, Acura is working on a Type S version.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Please, no soliciting on Town Hall :-)

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  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    I don't know if this is considered soliciting because I'm not "selling" anything, but; If anyone wishes to send me money, bearer bonds, actually anything of real value...

    Nevermind, probably is soliciting. ;-)
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I think our rule book distinguishes between "soliciting" and "begging" or "panhandling!" ;-)

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  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    In my first 400 miles...I am averaging between 11.5-12.5 MPG. Is there a break-in period before the mileage gets close to 17 around town? We are going on our first road trip mothers day weekend, so I will have some highway miles to report on then.
  • inky4inky4 Member Posts: 238
    You must either drive in slow go city traffic only or really like to redline. I get 22 avg on commute 50/50. 24-25 on highway and 16 mpg short stop and go stuff.
    INKY
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Your low mileage must be the breakin period. Eventually it should go up to about 16 mpg around town (not quite the 17 mpg, which is a bit optimistic like a lot of EPA numbers).

    Like a lot of vehicles, the MDX's mileage is pretty sensitive to speed and vehicle loads. But some of it is how Acura has set the numbers. E.g. highway mileage estimates are based on the rather tall 5th gear for highway cruising. Spend a lot of time at 70mph or north of that, add some hills, and the mileage dips.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    The Acura TL got 10 best stereo's, I wonder if the MDX's is the same? The speaker setup is different, but the sound is great in the MDX.

    I am sure the MPG will go up, but just wasn't sure how soon. I hope our mothers day road trip will yield great highway mileage.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    The MDX's stereo is okay but it's no great shakes as far as sound quality goes. There are better auto audio systems out there.

    I don't think the stereo is as bad as some folks have said, though. The in-dash, magazine-less 6-CD changer is terrific.

    Going to better-quality speakers is a problem because the Bose ones are low ohms - 2, I _think_. Not a lot of speakers like that.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Maybe I am just too new to luxury vehicles. I think the upgraded stereo with touring package is pretty good. Though I guess I have heard one or two crackles from the fronts. It is better than any I have ever owned, so I am very happy with it.
  • dsmith17dsmith17 Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone had any issues w/the towing capabilities? According to the spec's 4,500 lbs is the total tow capacity. I'm looking to tow a boat, but I'm concerned that pulling 4,000-4,500 lbs w/the V6 will put too much strain on the transmission.
  • wischuckwischuck Member Posts: 5
    Has anyone seen the new blue color on the MDX? Any comments?
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