Lexus RX 300

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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I wasn't aware that Lexus made any of those - perhaps a scud discussion is in order - on another board? :-)

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  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    ...I'm in because she doesn't believe I can have this much fun in Town Hall.

    Host - do Scuds need oil changes?
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    should sign up and join in the fun herself!

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Sorry I stepped on someone, I didn't even notice that it was specifically directed.

    But, I still doubt there is really anything bad or detrimental about the Amsoil product itself. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Mobil 1 or some name brand equivalent purchase in BULK and relabeled.

    But I will try to pay more attention in the future and only answer "open" questions or respond with my own answers if someone else unintentionally or inadvertantly misleads or mis-states.

    And, jeffmust2, SPEAKING of MISLEADING!

    a. Okay, no argument here.

    b. Jeep vs RX traction. Well, traction has NEVER been the subject matter, it's always been distribution of engine torque F/R and the fact that I think Lexus is putting out misleading information regarding this issue.

    c. RX vs T&C cargo space? Yes, the T&C has more but I have neevr pointed that out.

    d. 911 handling vs RX. Where ARE you getting this STUFF? I have probably mentioned that I improved my Rx handling by upgrading to 17X8 wheels, spacers and +1 tires, but comparing these two in that context, NEVER!

    e. AAA maps vs RX Nav. Not BETTER, just necessary backups.

    f. Okay.

    g. No, but didn't one of our space crews do something of this nature?

    fasterthanu: Climate control, battery?

    Satire?
  • mooretorquemooretorque Member Posts: 241
    I used to occasionally watch the Comedy Channel, but now I get Lexus and humor fix all in one place!!!

    JM2, I think your wife must know my wife. I can't seem to convince her that I'm maintaining her RX by hanging out on this board. (sigh)
  • bobfloydbobfloyd Member Posts: 32
    Levity is fine. Humor is healthy. But, those who engage in the game of one-upsmanship for self gratification are not funny to the rest of us. Let's try to keep it adult ....PLEASE. The humor is consuming the seriousness, thus the value, of this board.
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    I still doubt there is really anything bad or detrimental about the Amsoil product itself. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Mobil 1 or some name brand equivalent purchase in BULK and relabeled....Wrong again...Amsoil was before Mobil 1 so it's the opposite...Check into it.

    BTW..This is so much fun...next.
  • pjirvinepjirvine Member Posts: 5
    I am looking into buying a 2002 Lexus RX300 AWD with premium plus package (+ heated seats + fog lights). How low a price have you guys been able to negotiate on such a package? Would appreciate any suggestions. How good is Lexus AWD at handling midwest snow driving?
    Thanks.
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    Get the Acura MDX...zero sludge in an ACURA.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You didn't finish.

    "or some name brand equivalent".

    Rx/Snow...

    Well, we all really like to ski on that dry powdery fluffy stuff, but out here you only find that east of the cascades, "The Dry Side".

    Here on the west (Wet) side we have to deal with what's commonly referred to as "Pacific boilerplate", horrible sound of metal ski edges trying to get a "hold" on grainy "ice".

    There will be times when you will be exceedingly pleased with your RX AWD, and then there might be times when you wish the Jeep Cherokee was still in production.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    Bob, you're right - posting anonymous email messages on a free website board that exists to support advertisers and bored automobile nut cases (except for me) is, indeed, serious business.

    You're darn right there's no need for all the satire, hostility, jokes, repartee, cut-throat humor, and veiled name calling.

    So let's all put a stop to it now.

    Whee, glad that's over with.

    OK, the serious issues before us:

    - Does Willard EVER recognize a rhetorical question?

    - More importantly, is Willard really BobFloyd and has moved from Washinton to Texas? Since WW took care of all the deer in his old state, I guess the cows better watch it now.

    - Willard, what time of the year in So.CA is it OK to reinstall my RX windshield and still avoid having it fog up?

    - As for The GimpMeister - if we all got together and contributed a dime apiece for you to get a JiffyLube oil/filter change, would you be gentleman enough to have it done? With the added condition, of course, that you leave this board and go post on the "Muh 'Stang Is Meaner Than Your 'Stang" board?

    Once we get serious answers to these questions we can probably shut this board down.
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    Leave the board? NO WAY,this is to fun.
    All of the stang guys know my car, since it has been in the mustang magazine 3 times. But if ya want to race,I will give you a head start.
    I will turn my car OFF, when you leave the line I will crank it, and spank ya. I GUARANTEE THAT! Even if ya have a 2001 vette.$$$$
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Race ya vs the 355 on Road Atlanta...

    Might get it in the straights.. but not the corners.

    Bill
  • rex4johnrex4john Member Posts: 17
    Hi everyone, hope you all had a great holiday.

    Well, I've been so overprotective of this truck that it's going against me. I had my dog and 2 of my friend's dogs in the back. Folded the seat down and layed an old fitted sheet so no shedding would be on the carpet.

    One of my friend's dogs got excited and decided she wanted to be in the front seat...now I have a fresh nail scratch on the side of the front passenger seat right above the pull-down inside armrest.

    Question: is the side of the seat leather or vinyl? And how do I try to fix the scratch?

    It's just a surface scratch, but hey I'm a perfectionist and want to treat it ASAP.

    Lemme know your thoughts! Thanks!
  • vinceburlappvinceburlapp Member Posts: 64
    There is a picture of the new Pacifica at

    http://www.thehollywoodextra.com

    Go down to "Vince's car page"

    What do you think?
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    On that note...I do not recommend buying an
    RX 300, they are TO SLOW, and SUCK down the fuel.
    And the 3.0 V6 has a sludge history. If you already bought one... oh well.

    BTW...customer "NO" service could use some training.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Gimpy, is yours a Saleen? In that case you might make it a good race, I'll meet you in Daytona the 2nd of Feb, your Saleen against mine for pink slips.

    You can see mine at teamseattle.com
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    the last "o" is sludged, in which case everyone will understand that you can only write it as "to."

    For a second example, you could write your vehicle's name as a - "RX30"

    Hope this helps too.
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    I have a GX (1 of 4 made)let's do it. Supercharged, ready to rock.

    BTW...Go back and check YOUR own spelling...Teacher.
    Show your e-mail address on your profile, and I will send ya some pics.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Dunno on the RX.

    The one that we own (Company vehicle leased for employee) is a 99 AWD.

    61K NY City/Long Island miles so far. Engine is perfect, still drives verytight. AWD works fine in the snow (In case Willard was wondering). It spends a LOT of time in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

    Of course, every 4K miles or so it gets an oil change.... This way, if it DID have a Glycol leak, unless is was severe, it wont cause a sludge problem.

    And I think its pretty peppy for what it is.

    Bill
  • realtor23realtor23 Member Posts: 2
    Hey everyone
    I'm about to make my purchase.This is what i'd like
    AWD
    PREM PKG PLUS
    HEATED FRONT SEATS
    HIGH INTENSITY DISCHARGE HEADLAMPS
    CHROME WHEELS
    SPOILER
    LEATHER AND WOOD STEERING WHEEL
    GOLD PACKAGE
    WHEEL LOCKS
    CARGO MAT
    ACCESSORY CROSSBAR
    TOW PKG
    I live in the wASHINGTON D.C/MD/VA AREA. Can anyone recommend a dealership and a fair price that I should pay for this configuration.
    Thanks for all the feedbacks.
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    Willard, if you can explain how my post regarding climate control is satire, I'd be interested to hear it. BTW, I've always had zero respect for your posts complaining about the RX and that led me to respond to those about the climate control system. For someone to argue that there is a problem when a system comes on automatically when starting the engine because he leaves it on is the result of a thoughtless driver. I suggest again that if you shut off all systems before turning off your engine, and also let your engine charge up, you'd be better off. It is just so ridiculous to complain about such mundane stuff (climate control staying on). But people will be ridiculous.

    Gimp: people like you give the concept of opinion a bad name. Thanks for turning a nice owner board into a joke and a mess. Dumb Mustang owner... ;-)
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    realtor:

    Someone here recently posted that they bought an RX with NAV (meaning it includes mostly everything you want and a little more) for about $37.5K. I would assume your target price should be about $36K or a little more. We bought our RX loaded with everything (like yours without gold trim) for $37K last year so perhaps prices have come down and you should benefit. Hope you get a good deal and enjoy your RX.

    BTW, although I would never concur with the gimp mustang owner on any issue, ever, you should check out the Acura MDX for a fair comparison. The reason why the RX has come down in price is precisely because of the MDX's competition. Its MSRP was set pretty low, and people have been snatching it up. You may find that the RX becomes a better value despite the size difference (MDX has 3 rows of seating). The RX's appointments are in a class all its own (Lexus) and the Acura is a few notches down. This is all from someone who is still a Honda fan.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Member Posts: 391
    I read an ad for a 99 RX300 FWD with 68,000 miles that has motor noise. They are asking $19,785. Kelly Blue Book Trade In for the car in "poor" shape is $13,840. Does that sound about right? I would hope to repair the engine. If the engine could not be repaired, would a V6 Camry engine work?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    mvs1:

    Have you been able to verify the "startup" circumstance, was I of any help?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Posted in response to question from fedlawman.

    LTS: Low Traction Surface.

    If your dad is anything close to my age you will probably want to take him out quickly and teach him about the uniqueness of FWD handling in certain circumstances. FWD can be extremely hazardous on LTS (low traction surfaces), especially for someone who has primarily driven RWD for all or most of their lives.

    Ever since FWD became so popular the industry has been trying to solve its LTS handling problem. When you encounter a LTS in a REAR WHEEL DRIVE, RWD, even with an automatic transmission (as most are these days) instinctively lifting your foot from the throttle will not have a detrimental affect, in most cases it will even be helpful. But that's only a small part of the equation, if your dad has never driven a FWD on LTS his reaction will be the same as he would for a RWD, and in many FWD vehicles that can be extremely dangerous.

    The Cadillac engineers had this problem in SPADES with their high torque V8 northstar engine, lift the throttle on a LTS and instantly do a 180, or worse. Their near term solution was to put an over-running clutch between the engine and the driveline, so that the "deceleration" torque of that engine didn't BRAKE the front wheels on throttle lift.

    You may have alreay noticed that their, Cadillac's, new long range plain is to rid themselves of FWD vehicles altogether.

    Even my 2001 AWD RX300 will automatically shift the transmission into the highest gear on throttle lift (unless cruise control is active, and NO ONE should have cruise control active if LTS is even suspected, EVER!) to prevent or minimize engine braking and the resulting potential for loss of control in this predominantly FWD (even with the AWD {VC} fully activated)vehicle.

    I have heard arguments recently that back in the early eighties the increasing popularity of FWD was the initiating factor for more thoroughly exploring/expanding the use of ABS. Until the advent of FWD, mechanical brake pressure proportioning valves were the common solution for allocating brake HP front vs rear. With FWD, engine braking on the front became a VARIABLE to be reckoned with. Because of the driving and handling dynamics of RWD, this engine braking variable didn't have to be reckoned with, as a matter of fact it was considered an ASSET, especially on LTS.

    Be carefull out there....
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    The only place one has to be especially careful is when he comes to this board for reliable information about the RX and ends up talking to Willard and The Gimp.

    There is a reason why horses are in front of the carraige, reindeer in front of the sleigh and sled dogs in front of the sled. FWD dynamics direct the vehicle much better in traction situations like snow and ice since the power is generated in the front of the vehicle, where the vehicle is heaviest, is able to steer and correct direction better than if the traction were coming from the rear. That is why you see RWD drive cars more prone to 180s in snow than FWD cars.

    So if you are considering the RX, don't worry. Of course, the AWD will have the advantage in winter conditions.
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    Don't buy someone else's problem car. Why spend $20K, take time to fix it, and perhaps even spend more money on an engine replacement? You're better off getting a certified used RX from a dealership, pay a little more (how much are they going for now? - check Lexus' website, I would say about $27K after negotiations?) and have an RX that's warranteed for 3 years.

    I would not hesitate to buy a used, 10 year old Acura Legend for about $3500 to $4000 because the cost is not that high. But spending $20K for an RX with a known problem is a waste of your hard-earned money. The previous owner may have had a terrible history of oil change intervals which contributed to his own problem. Let him deal with it.
  • rkgordonrkgordon Member Posts: 13
    To realtor23, We bought our white 2002 with all of the optional (some forced upon us because they really only make the prem.pkg with high intensity headlamps and wood steering wheel) accessories you listed except tow pkg and chrome wheels for 38,000 even. This is the price I got in Owings Mills, Md. & Va. Beach. We live in Richmond, VA. and that was the best we could do here in Richmond. I've heard that No. Virginia was no cheaper than Richmond. BTW, we were/are happy with the service there. Just had my 1K check up. they ordered a new trim piece with no problem because we my husband thought it was a bit warped. Checked the engine etc. and washed it - had it ready in 30 minutes and out no problem. Very happy with our car. BTW to you who care - I decided to protect the finish with Zaino - thanks for your advice - it's working well. I had a lot of fun driving it in 7.7 inches of snow last week - it did great!
  • mvs1mvs1 Member Posts: 462
    Sorry for the delay. Yes, I did try your little experiment. Yes, you are absolutely correct, the blower (for lack of a better term) will not engage until the vehicle reaches the appropriate temp which I believe you referred too. My error was that I would adjust where the air was coming too early thus turning off the auto climate without knowing.

    The "buying a Ford" was a joke, people relax.

    Jeff I never made the connection between the Gimp and the "Stang". Whoa!!! I like saying that too much.

    mrrogers: Don't buy Gimpy's RX.

    Gimpy, isn't the Amisuck was before mobile comment you made really stating that the two brands are still one in the same. Thus meaning you should still follow the manufactures' recommended service schedule.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Imagine I'm in a RWD with just enough throttle to maintain 60MPH and then I come to a bridge that's iced over, the rear end starts to come around, right?

    Now, that has happened because the rear wheels suddenly do not have enough adhesion with the roadbed for the level of forward driving force I am applying. But isn't there likely to be some "sweet-spot", at least some level of roadbed adhesion if I can just find it quickly?

    If I lift the throttle then the rear wheels will quickly go from "driving" to "dragging" due to engine compression loads. Let's say to sustain 60MPH the engine RPM would have been 2200, now the engine RPM will drop to a level determined by the rear wheel's adhesion with the roadbed, in effect the rear wheels will begin "driving" the engine. And yes, sometimes the rear wheels will just plain lock up becuase there isn't enough adhesion to overcome the engine drag at any coasting RPM, but those times will be in the definite minority.

    But the affect of what I have just done, most of the time, would be to automatically apply a braking level on the rear wheels comeasurate with the level of roadbed adhesion/traction avaialble at that very instant.

    What happens to a boat floating lazily down the river if you throw out an anchor, drag component, substantially aft of the center of the boat? it "rights" itself with the river's current. An RWD vehicle on a slippery surface will do the very same thing with drag applied anywhere aft of center, it will quickly "right" itself with respect to its "moment" of inertia.

    And, THIS PART IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I have reserved any roadbed adhesion of the front wheels to be used exclusively for directional control.

    And just what would happen to a FWD vehicle in this circumstance?

    A very quick 180 or worse!

    Just how many of us wouldn't lift the throtte, immediately and instinctively, in this circumstance?

    And that's the real problem FWD manufacturer's are trying to combat, our very own human instincts. We long ago learned that if something starts going terribly wrong the very best way to survive is to immediately and quickly stop doing whatever we were doing, we already know that we are most often the cause for our own demise.

    Oh, lifting the throttle quickly in a RWD Cadillac with the high torque northstar engine in low gear and high RPM on encountering an icy bridge surface? Pray for a clutch, or an ECU that can shift the automatic into fourth quickly, damn quickly! But remember, you still have two wheels worth of roadbed adhesion to maintain directional control with.

    Substitute FWD (before Cadillac came to realize the flaw in FWD and threw in the OR clutch) in the above paragraph and you're TOAST!
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Why not do what I did and just move to Florida?

    No more ice to worry about :)
  • gimpyrxgimpyrx Member Posts: 198
    NO! Amsoil & imobil 1 are not the same, imobil 1 is about 4 times shorter on the drain interval.
    And quality.

    You are right about the gimpyrx...It's a lease,in 11 months, you can get it from a CERTIFIED LAXUS DEALER.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Member Posts: 811
    The GimpMobile would have sludged-up at 6k miles with Mobil One instead of 25k miles with Amsoil?

    Actually, I like the "Amsuck" name better.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    This horse has been flogged enough - let's move on shall we? Thanks.

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  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    A few years ago I saw driving in Vermont on a snowy road and there was a SAAB 900 in front of me. For no apparent reason (straight road, no braking) that SAAB all of a sudden did a 360 and went into a ditch on the opposite side of the road.

    Maybe he just lifted his foot off the throttle?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    on the side of the road distracted him.

    Just as many have responded with posts countering my arguments I would agree with most who pointed out that FWD is absolutely excellence on LTS, right up to the point....of losing it or having "lost it".

    FWD, pulling, not pushing, weight bias on the driving wheels, very much like any good AWD, 4WD, very easy to drive on LTS and get beyond the limits of recovery....

    Doctor Moore's law applies here.

    How many of you would disagree if I proposed that the very best AWD system would be one wherein the engine driving/braking torque to the front declines quickly in the event I start adding directional input (steering wheel off center) and the yaw sensor indicates that the car is only partially following my input, or not at all?

    No, not THAT Doctor Moore!

    The BETTER your driving system, RWD, FWD, AWD, 4WD, etc, the farther into the woods you can get before you get STUCK!
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Is running two Saleen S7-Rs at the 24 hours of Daytona this year. All money recieved from lap pledges will go directly to benefit Seattle Children's Hospital.

    See teamseattle.com for complete information.

    For the previous five years they have run Porsche's. I don't exactly agree with the switch but you can take a look at the cars.

    Not exactly your father's Mustang.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Member Posts: 391
    for your good advice on the 99 RX with motor noise. I had a chance to talk with the owner this afternoon, and it does not sound like a good proposition.
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    No deer in NYC. There were a decade of winters where we drove our 87 Legend and 89 Civic through snow and ice and have never lost control WHILE driving slowly and carefully, be it on the expressway or street. We were able to get out of snowbanks by pushing the cars out, and the Civic took almost hardly any effort to do so. From these years of experience, I can attest to the benefits of a good FWD car and especially a relatively light one. Our cars had no traction control systems and could be regarded as antiquated by today's standards, but they are some of the safest I've driven.

    Like Ruski I have seen a number of RWD cars (Camaros, BMWs, Lincolns, etc.) lose control at different speeds. And they are not worth the danger.

    The RX feels good to drive on the road - and has excellent braking ability. The only thing I would want to see improved is the turning radius.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Your FWD Honda's actually had the most perfect form of traction control, low weight meant low inertia, and relatively low roadbed adhesion to get yourself in trouble with, and probably the most important of all, NOT VERY MUCH HP!

    Actually, as you most correctly pointed out, none of these are the MOST important to proper handling of a FWD vehicle.

    "Driving slowly and carefully", now that's the REAL key, regardless of "drive" configuration.

    But, wasn't there a period of time when we all believed that 200HP was the realistic upper limit for a FWD vehicle?
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,208
    RKGordon: It sounds like we bought identical RXs (ours has the ivory interior)! Which isn't difficult to do since, as you pointed out, they all seem to come to the dealer loaded. I did find one Blue Vapor that did not have the leather/wood steering wheel and only the PVP, not the PVP+. It msrp'd for about $600 less. But, the wife wanted white/ivory and the electrochromatic mirrors, so...

    Realtor23: We bought last weekend in the Boston area for $37.5k. It took a while to get to that number, and to be honest, I think I might have been able to do a little better (I think), except that the evil wife wanted the car and was getting tired of me negotiating. It seems like a decent deal, however. The negotiation process was low pressure/low key. They even threw in a Lexus hat and nice golf shirt! She loves her RX! All in all, so far, dealing with the Lexus dealer has been a good experience.
    Good luck, let us know what you end up doing.

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • ravlravl Member Posts: 129
    If you want to secure the best price for your purchase, two things help tremendously in the process. Get your financing squared away up front. Walk into the dealer ready to pay cash (from your previously obtained loan)
    and do it on the 30 or 31 of the month. In a lot of regions, like mine, L.A., you can get close to invoice. Others you will be successful with $300. to $500. over invoice.

    Don't forget to factor in the advertising cost in your invoice figuring (I used Edmunds numbers).
    Edmunds doesn't tell you there's an advertising fee of around $425. that is invoiced to the dealer. It's only fair that you pay it, IMO. I guess some supply/demand conditions allow for the use of this as a bargaining chip, but I bet you'd have to be "pretty good" at negotiations to buy the car less the advertisin fee.
  • fasterthanufasterthanu Member Posts: 210
    Evil wife .. lol everytime I read that.

    You need a t-shirt saying ... "My wife went to Lexus and got an RX300 and all I got were the lousy payments, a t-shirt and a hat"
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    This is our first year with the RX300 FWD and still no snow to test out the traction. I'm not complaining about no snow, but the 4wd popularity of the last 5 years seems a little too much. My 2000 Nissan Maxima SE handles great in the snow with front wheel drive and with the lack of big snow here in Chicago I feel good about FWD.

    I have a CDL licensed and can say from my many years of driving every type of car and truck the only thing that helps with ice covered roads is to slow down. What a concept!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Good advice.

    Edmunds.com agrees that manufacturer or regional ad fees are legit - there's a blurb at the bottom of every Prices page here, like this one. They vary so much, they aren't figured into the pricing numbers.

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  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    You're saying that I, as the consumer, should pay for the advertising, directly? The advertising that is used to draw me into the dealership?

    Then why don't we just agree that we'll share the cost of heating his building too...

    Are there other dealer expenses we should be subsidizing directly?

    I go to the dealer to buy a product and if he somehow can't get enough for the product to cover his expenses then he shouldn't be in business or his "product" doesn't justify a reasonable profit, or both.

    But, just what is a dealer's "product"?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    What is the basis for Edmunds.com saying that the ad fees are legit? becuase they are so common?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    To quote from our blurb:

    Most vehicle invoices include a legitimate advertising fee levied by either the manufacturer or regional dealer groups.

    And a different blurb from our FAQ :

    12. Why should I pay advertising fees?

    Most vehicles carry a legitimate advertising fee levied by either the manufacturer or by regional dealer groups. National or regional advertising fees, when charged, should not exceed 1 percent of the vehicle's MSRP. Because individual dealership advertising is a cost of doing business, you should never pay an advertising fee levied by the dealer rather than a regional dealer association or the manufacturer.


    I can't justify it myself, but expect to pay those fees. Everyone seems to draw the line at dealer expenses being passed through.

    One way to avoid the issue entirely is to negotiate an "out the door" price which would include all fees whether they be listed as ad or doc or tire fees.

    Did I dance around your question enough? :-)

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  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I think people resent having the fee added to the cost explicitly. Obviously, the customer will eventually pay for the dealer's advertising costs, heating, rent, salaries and commissions etc.

    All those other factors are hidden in the selling price of the vehicle and keeping the advertising cost separate as an add-on only allows the dealer to advertise a lower price for the vechicle than is justified.

    Imagine going to the supermarket for a gallon of milk with the price posted as $0.39 and getting to the counter where they tell you that will be $0.50 extra for shipping and handling, $0.25 for heating and rent and, oh yeah, $0.15 for advertising. For good measure, we'll tack on an extra $0.05 as a restocking fee!

    IMHO - it's somewhat misleading to advertise the cost of a vehicle only to add on the various overhead charges when you're at the point of signing the papers. no - that is not an official Edmund's position!

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