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  • poppadoc1poppadoc1 Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for the info Breakor. It is at Autotraders.com & Cars.com where I've noticed the price differences in the Texas area. I know where the Sun Belt is but not the Rust Belt. I'm guessing the New England-Northeast-Northwest corridor?
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    I was under the impression that my '98 had a 5year/50K powertrain warranty... am I wrong? That would be a bummer.
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    Okay, I just read the Warranty manual.

    The 98s have a 3year/50K bumper to bumper warranty and a 5year/60K powertrain warranty. I'll run out of time before I run out of miles...
  • kleinckleinc Member Posts: 13
    I'm looking for any suggestions on booster seats for my three year old. the one we bought latches funny and the seat belt latch comes up into his back. He is under 40 lbs and still needs the 5 pt. harness? any suggestions?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Did another stint of towing a 2.5RS on a flatbed. Trooper towed like a champ, on the hills she cranked up to 5K rpms but still held 60mph w/o a problem. No swaying, nothing at all even at speeds that I shouldn't have been going (95ish) with a trailer. I'd definitely suggest any trailer over 1-2K have trailer brakes makes for a much less stressful trailering experience.

    -mike
  • tetonmantetonman Member Posts: 73
    Rust Belt is the upper Midwest (Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota). You should stay away from older Troopers here due to the use of SALT on the roads. It has nothing to do with how we do our maintenance! (I live in Chicago!)

    As far as child seats go, we have a booster seat for our 4 year old. We still run the seat belt behind the car seat and use the car seat's 5 point harness. We found the key to getting the seat in nice and tight is to actually get in the back seat area, put your knee up on the seat and twist the seat belt at the connection while pulling all of the slack up on the belt to lock it in place. Are you using the seat belt or the car seat harness for protection?
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    We have a fischer price model that is a regular car seat that converts into a booster seat once over the appropriate weight. I don't remember the model however, but it is a good one.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    I like the Cosco child seats the best. The ones with the back of the seat can slide up and down to accomodate small or large children without removing the seat and completely removing the belts and reinstalling for the size adjustment. Cosco has two that are dark grey. One is for birth to 40 or 50 Lb. the other is for 20 to 70 lb. On long trips the Cosco seats help my kids sleep better because they recline and have side support for the head. The Cosco is lower and closer to the seatback than many car seats so to me that means more stable and less kids kicking me in the back.
  • tle_portaltle_portal Member Posts: 8
    Mike,

    I bought my Trooper to tow an 18ft boat (did not like the V8s out there and couldn't afford a new Landcruiser).
    So far so good. I have hit the 5K RPM on up hills and feel kinda bad about subjecting a new car to the abuse. Are you towing mostly in 3rd? Any mods made for towing?

    Thanks.
  • bluetrooperbluetrooper Member Posts: 4
    first of all, yeah, there was a trade in involved where i lost about $600, but still received over wholesale value for a car that was in a bad condition and has been involved into SEVERAL accidents (dont ask :) )

    second of all, as far as the stereo goes, i want to swap in an aftermarket unit.. Best Buy offers free installs this week on all headunits >$100, so i might go for that.. I talked to the guy there last night, and they seemed competent enough to put a HU in..

    lastly, i am already having problems with a brand new car.. i think its related to the discharged battery or something :( the trooper was on the lot for like 2 months..

    what happens is that every time i crank the stock HU up, it starts cutting off sound, and if i turn my wipers on, same thing happens.. have no idea what it is, but taking it to the dealer to have looked at soon..

    any advice would be appreciated..
  • bluetrooperbluetrooper Member Posts: 4
    hey man, where can i get more info on the ecb nudge bar and rear bumper protector? i am very interested.. im in chicago, so i dont know about install and shipping??

    also, does the rear bumper protector, the custom one from 4x independent, does it need a hitch??
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    I was interested in that rear bumper protector, too. I wonder, though, if transferring the force of the impact to the frame makes sense... It seems like it might, but I wondered what others thought...
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    I gotta say, that sounds a little nuts! I can't imagine driving our Trooper that fast WITHOUT a trailer. I don't think our '98 has seen more than 85 mph, and it's been up that high only for a few short stints.
  • texastroopertexastrooper Member Posts: 1
    Bluetrooper, FYI, just bought a new (16 mi) 4wd limited (Moonmist) in central Texas. Retail price $36,660 plus destination of 610 and added a hitch for $172 for a total of $37,442. I paid $27,500 with no trade-in for a discount of $9942. I have never been to that dealer before and I am not related to the owner. It would appear that prices in central Texas are a little better than in some other areas.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    Everyone in the tow vehicle would be dead if anything interupted smooth towing at 95 MPH. You are literally betting your life that an animal won't run (or drive) out in front of you and that you will not get a flat tire etc... Kind of the same thing as a high speed tailgater betting his/her life that the car in front of them will not suddenly apply the brakes, only amplified by the enormous stopping distance when towing a heavy trailer.
  • kleinckleinc Member Posts: 13
    THANKS FOR THE INFO!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
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    This is the current leader and four times winner of the Australian Safari, Bruce Garland, in his 338hp Jackaroo/Trooper. This year's safari started last Saturday and concludes next Saturday.

    Last year, there was in-car video of this guy doing 100mph in a dry creek bed, on the Holden web site.

    Needless to say, do not try this with your standard Trooper.
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    and I'm sure paisan knows that. Chill a little, already. IMHO, this isn't the forum for fatherly chiding.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Is there an australian web site covering the event? I have read a lot of articles about bruce garland. I believe his truck's are not that far off from stock. I believe he runs the same torsion bars paisan added up front. I wonder what shocks he is running? It looks like Bridgestone is his main sponsor, I wonder what tires they use? I would like to read more about it.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    You can check -

    www.holden.com.au

    www.australiansafari.com.au

    www.grt.au.nu

    Bruce Garland's truck (#50) is heavily modified and isn't quite stock. The V6 he runs requires 100 octane fuel and is a competition development engine from Isuzu Japan.

    Peter Brock (#05), who came 2nd last year, and Nathan Pretty (#55) are running basically stock trucks with minor modifications to suspension, brakes and body. Drive train is standard. Note that Brock's Jackaroo last year outran the Paris-Dakar Ralliart Mitsubishis (who aren't here this year).

    The tyres are competition Bridgestone Dueler R/T's in 7.50R16 size. They are kevlar belted and about $750AUS each.

    The torsion bars and coils are locally sourced from Ultimate Suspensions, IIRC. The shocks are Proflex hand built units from from Holland. They are something like $1000AUS each.

    I believe Bob Land from California is racing a Trooper here this year. He has had mixed fortunes in previous years with a Vehicross.
  • tuckegtuckeg Member Posts: 11
    Which is best bug deflector for 2001 Trooper?
    Ideally I would like one that works well, is not noisey, is easy to install, and not too expensive. Make and model number and a vendor would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    George
  • seanreidseanreid Member Posts: 152
    One of my staff members, Monique, was driving the Trooper in Quebec last week enroute to a tour of the Gaspe Peninsula. She was travelling on a 100 km/h road when a 77-year old college professor turned left from a restaurant parking lot directly in front of her. She had no warning, no time to even slow and t-boned them at about 50mph. The man and his wife, in a Honda Civic, were killed almost immediately. The Trooper saved Monique's life but of course was totalled. Its safety performance was remarkable, as the police noted. The front end crumpled right up to the windshield pillars but there was virtually no intrusion into the cabin and even the windshield held. She damaged her left knee and has some slight internal blleeding that they're watching but is otherwise OK. At the time of the impact she felt sure that she was going to die and felt disoriented when she realized that she hadn't been killed.

    Cont.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Glad to hear she is OK. Glad to hear the Trooper performed well in doing it's duty to keep the occupant(s) safe. Too bad about the civic :(

    There is a white LS or Limited in Ramsey NJ at a dealer, perhaps that is a viable solution. Too bad, cause I'm on vacation in the adirondacks and toyed with the idea of shooting over to VT for a day to meet up with you!

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Check out http://www.ecb-usa.com and http://independent4x.com for the nudge and rear bars.


    The one I helped design for Indy uses a hitch to attach it. In a really bad rear end, you'll probably sustain the same damage as not having it, in a smaller one, the bar will slice through the car rear ending you's front end and it will protect your rear end. Mostly I got it to protect the tire/door/bumpers from parrallel parking dings and what not. In NYC they like to whack your car as they park, and in the troopers case it would push the tire into the door.


    -mike

  • seanreidseanreid Member Posts: 152
    In addition to working for us, Monique is a close friend and we'll forever be grateful to that vehicle for having saved her life. The Civic was so badly damaged that the left side between the windshield pillars and the trunk was virtually disintegrated, ie. the car had almost no left side remaining.

    This reminds me that the Trooper's safety controversy was truly unfair. Under the circumstances of this accident, it was exceptionally safe. It makes me wonder further about how well NHTSA and IHS tests correlate with real world accident data. It may be true that a box framed vehicle, hit into an immoveable concrete wall, will perhaps punish itself (ie. the frame will transmit force to the cabin rather than crumpling completely). But if the same vehicle hits another vehicle, that frame will (in essence) act as a ramrod, forcing the other vehicle to absorb much of the force while protecting itself.

    I'll pause here to say that I'm no expert and these conclusions may be wrong but if they aren't...

    Perhaps there's good reason for people in cars to fear SUVs. The policeman told us that most officers he knows folow the traditional wisdom of driving a larger heavier vehicle for protection reasons. If the careless drivers are in small cars (as was this gentleman) and the careful drivers are in SUVs (as was Monique) it is perhaps a less unfair situation. But to be sure, a bad driver in an SUV is a real potential menace to safe drivers in small cars.

    Bottom line is that I may never drive a small car again (its been years since we owned one anyway).
    On a motorcycle one relies on defensive driving, manueverability, protective gear and the hope that, if an accident should occur, one will be thrown clear. Its clearly a matter of accepting a certain amount of risk. But if I'm going to be trapped in a small metal and glass box during an accident, I don't want it to be a small box.

    So, I'm still on tour with Honda (having left briefly to deal with the accident) but will be finished soon and need to go up to QB to removed the aftermarket stuff from the vehicle before its totalled.

    Any leads on a replacement? This was a mint (it turned out, after my mechanic inspected it) 1999 Trooper with performance package, sunroof, nerf bars, silver-gold paint etc. I may even look at new again if the incentives are sufficient.

    Best,

    Sean
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It was on a downhill in a deserted stretch of road. I realize the dangers etc. Do NOT do this at home!

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    As for trailering upgrades (I think my Trooper has seen more towing in the past 1000 miles than non-towing!) here is what I'd suggest for "optimal" towing:

    OME rear coils- These are progressive rate and give a slight lift so that when you apply a trailer it won't bottom out and is more stable than the OEM ones.
    Rancho 9000s- I keep the rears on 3 for normal driving and then when trailering over 1000lbs I put em up to 5+ which makes em harder but controls the load a lot.
    Hidden Hitch- So far great hitch towing 5500lbs on several occassions
    Tires- I upgraded to Scorpion ATs in 275-70-16, not sure if this helps or hurts, but the extra contact probably helps.

    Other items that may help:
    Sway Away Torsion Bars- I added these recently and they just help to settle the truck, towing or not towing.
    Poly sway bar bushings- For $20 you can't go wrong, not sure if they help towing or not.
    K&N panel filter- Again not sure if it helped towing, but for $50 you never need to buy another filter, and it does seemt o give some extra umph over 4000 RPMs.

    Other than that my truck is stock. I tow in "D" unless I notice that it's doing a lot of up-down shifting, then I'll drop it to 3. Around town I put it in power mode for towing to keep it from shifting too often.

    Trailers I've towed:
    18' Fiberglas Bowrider w/3.0l I/O about 2700lbs
    17' Fiberglas Bowrider w/90hp OB about 2800lbs
    Uhaul Autotransport Tandem Axle Trailer with Surge Brakes Carrying various subarus. ~5500lbs.
    Uhaul tow dolly 3400lb SAAB, not fun w/o brakes

    I'd say if you are over 2500lbs get trailer brakes, well worth the investment if you tow more than 50-100miles often.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I had the Isuzu one. It's plastic was too flimsy and would flex against my hood and fenders. Switched over to the Lund and it's great.

    -mike
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    That is tough news. The crash results are consistent with the testing done by the IIHS. Possible leg injury, while the drivers overall space isn't compromised. People tend to take the letter system verbatim and don't interpret the results. If the leg area was maintained better, I am sure the vehicle would have gotten a letter that implies "safer". Anyway, I am glad to read that it performed as well as it did for your colleagues sake.
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    Your report is consistent with my experience about 3 years ago. I totaled our 96 Trooper when a new Cadillac Seville SLS ran a red light and I t-boned the Caddy doing 40-50 mph. I was fine, except for a stiff neck for a few days. The Trooper was totaled, with the engine compartment being significantly crunched in. But the passenger compartment was pretty much intact. Very sorry to hear that the people in the Civic died.

    As for where to get a replacement Trooper, I'd start on autotrader.com and see who has what. A good bet might be a year-old corporate Trooper that has been sold recently to a dealer via an Isuzu dealer-only auction. You might check with a few dealers to find out which ones are more active in this program.

    We bought our replacement Trooper, a 98 w/Performance Package (that pkg included TOD back then) and 7k miles, for $21,000. A new '99 similarly equipped would have cost $24-25k. We could have done a bit better but overall I'm happy with saving $3-4k and starting with a vehicle that had 7k miles on it.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    For you folks with the 99' model Trooper, when you rotate the key and the lights on the dash do the light test thing, does the little GAS light come on under the fuel gauge? This is the backup light that is supposed to warn you if you are REAL low on fuel. I checked in my 01' and it does come on, but it didn't on the 99'. Any answers??

    Got those poly sway bar bushings installed over the weekend. An easy task, and good results!! Feels quite differently in the curves.
  • tetonmantetonman Member Posts: 73
    Ours doesn't come on when we turn the key. Everything else does though...
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I have yet to see or have proof that this light exists on my 99 trooper. At 10-15 MPG on normal driving, I always fill-up before actually being on "E". I have gone down to 3.5 gallons remaining, that is the closest I have come. I used to drive my Altima for a few days with it on...though that came on with 5 gallons remaining at 25-30 mpg.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    I have seen the gas light come on, but not at starting. Usually with 16 litres of fuel left, so roughly 4 gallons. This allows me 70-100km of driving before bone dry. The fuel gauge has already travelled to the empty mark before it lights up.

    That's the first item I had the dealer check under warranty as I was convinced it wasn't working. I wasn't quite familiar enough with the car at the time to let it go below the empty mark, and I'm still uncomfortable to do so.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    .... and kept going. This is an independant entry in the Australian Safari. They're attempting to straighten it up and rejoin the field today.


    image

  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    atleast one door still opened after a roll over. Not too bad.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    There's another shot which I didn't link to, that shows both front doors still open.

    A bit of an eventful day on the safari yesterday. Apart from the rolled Jackaroo, the official helicopter crashed after the tail boom clipped a tree. It lost the boom, went into a spin but managed to land upright. No one injured.

    In a separate incident, a motorcycle entrant came off his KTM bike and was then subsequently by the third Holden Rally Team Jackaroo. He was hospitalised but luckily only suffered a dislocated shoulder.

    This year's race is not for the faint hearted. And there's five days yet to go!
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    For next year? I'll even bring my own Trooper errr Jackaroo! :)

    Seems that with the new tires on a run today I topped out at about 110mph with them, before I ran out of road and guts.

    -mike
  • bstone3bstone3 Member Posts: 97
    Use to read posts about soft bug deflectors and flexing - the one I had installed by Isuzu did not do that - it was very rigid - then the lawn guys at work broke it - but gave me a check to replace it - got it from the same Isuzu dealer - $94 including tax - looked exactly the same as the old one and I installed it - but a different deflector it is - it is softer(thinner) and uses slightly different mounting holes under the hood - it doesn't hit metal at freeway speeds but it's close. It does have the Isuzu name on one corner. Isuzu must have at least two different suppliers. Lund probably makes the thicker one.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    sbcook, what makes your MPG so low? I have a 1995 manual 3.2L that gets 11.2 towing 4000#. The newer Troopers with the 3.5L actually have higher MPG EPA stickers than mine. Thank You
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    Probably a short commute. At best around town (before my tire upgrade) I would get about 14.5 mpg. Now, figuring maybe just shy of a 10% loss due to larger tires, I am probably getting just over 13. My commute is about 5 miles and 8 stop lights, lots of starts and stops.
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    The difference between a short stop-and-go commute and mild highway speeds is amazing. I can get 22 on the highway (at 55-65), but only about 12-13 on my 5 mile, multi-stop light commute.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Is a lot to get rolling, that's why we burn a lot in stop and go. I also get significantly better milage on the highway.

    -mike
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    is what I've got with my 99'. My 97' 3.2L did better at about 15 mpg in town, and 19 mpg highway. I've been getting about 12 mph in town and 16 mpg highway with the 99' so far. I am in the tinkering mode right now to see what affects it.

    You know, those poly bushings I installed did not seem to help my gas mileage a bit!!

    Maybe Rancho shocks will help!
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    Does anyone else notice that when you take your foot off the brake, the Trooper seems to jump ahead? Maybe it's just mine. I would expect it to move forward a little, but mine will climb a 15 degree incline without my touching the accelerator...

    I wonder if the fact that the brake is fighting the engine all time time is contributing to bad mileage...
  • silverghostsilverghost Member Posts: 154
    replacing the turn signal fluid and/or muffler bearings sometimes help!
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    There's not much, if anything, that can be done to improve the consumption in stop-start commuting. That's simply how it is.

    There's a number of things that have worked for me but only when the car gets a chance to run a bit. These include, the two stage foam filter, a higher octane fuel, run all four tyres at 38psi (then you get the center of the tyre wearing out), synthetic motor oil, and be gentle on the throttle. All this gives me a cumulative improvement of around 10% but only when cruising.

    All this goes out the window, when you get into stop-start traffic. Like what my wife does Monnday to Friday.

    If this is a real problem....the only solution is to get another car for stop-start and keep the Trooper for the longer runs.
  • bawbcatbawbcat Member Posts: 118
    In response to tkevinblankc's post, I have noticed that the Trooper presses on the drivetrain pretty hard even when at idle. On my 98 with auto tranny, when it's running at idle and I move from park into drive, the tranny clunks into gear pretty hard. Feels like a lot of force is being exerted, almost as if the idle speed was too high (but it's not). Is this a known "quirk" with the Troopers? Most other automatic cars I've driven seen to transfer less power to/through the tranny when at idle.
  • savvas_esavvas_e Member Posts: 347
    Mine does the same, but I don't have any hard clunking when putting it into gear. It will also idle up a mild hill, especially when the a/c is on.
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    I have a 1995 Trooper with the 3.2L SOHC engine that is prone to the lifter ticking noise if the oil gets low or dirty.


    I tested out the Valvoline Oil for Higher Mileage Engines in 5W30, it was all the store had in 5W30 that day.


    http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?Product=7


    It has extra detergent and other stuff that sounded like a good idea for my dirt fearing engine. The results were pretty good, it stopped the little bit of faint ticking I was having before changing the oil and kept it away. The down side of this $1.88 dino oil in consumption rate of a little less than a quart in 2000 miles compared to maybe half a quart of $4 full synthetic in 4000 miles. The dino oil would be less expensive even with using an extra quart each oil change. This agrees with Paison's idea that the oil is "evaporated" I think that is right, then it is sucked into the air intake by crankcase ventilation to be burned. I have never had a Trooper that leaked a drop, but burning a little is the norm.

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