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Would Toyota and/or a dealership allow me to change/extend a Toyota extended warranty from say 6yr/60K to 6yr/100K (assuming I pay the extra $$), if I decide, after say six months of ownership, that I am enjoying the vehicle so much that miles are going on a whole lot faster than I anticipated??
The last tank of gas I bought earlier this week was only $1.21/gal!
Maybe you can give some insights on a comparison to the Trooper. I had my '99 Trooper loaded with 5 people and gear a few weekends ago and thought it would be nice to have a real third row back seat (no factory seat currently being offered)where adults could fit comfortably and a more compliant suspension (totally bottoms out front and back even with Rancho RS9000s). All of the advertisement of 9 inches of wheel travel seem bogus because I hit against the bump stops immediately with the back loaded. I do think this thing is a real billy-goat offroad and the drivetrain is awesome. What I could do with is a little more comfort and room. Still packs a lot of value for the money, but can't help but look at Seq. or Tahoe.
One thing about the Seq. is that I do not know about the brake modulated 4wd though (similar to Mercedes and a lot of new vehicles) which seems to sacrifice some offroad prowess. Seems like the traditional transfer case with limited slip/locking differentials is still king. Also, Trooper size is just about right for most of the trails I have been on. I'm afraid Seq. or Tahoe may be too big. Oh well, always one compromise or another...
Invoice = $40,593
Cap Cost = $41,093
Cap Reduction (down payment) = $500
Acq. Fee = $595
Adjusted Cap Cost = $41,188
Money Rate = .00234
Residual = $21,120 (46.5%)
Months = 51
Mileage = 48,000
Payment = $539.29 + tax
Out of pocket = $1,159.05
Good luck
In general we REALLY like both vehicles, which we should when you are spending $35-$40K on a rapidly depreciating investment.
Overall both have been trouble-free. The Yukon has never been in for any type of repair or warranty work. Only regular maintenance. The Toyota upon delivery always lost air pressure in the right rear tire. After several trips to the dealer (all while the vehicle was less than a week old) it was finally discover that there was a pinhole leak cast into the rim of that tire. A new rim was ordered and replaced about a week later under warranty. The good thing about the Sequoia is it comes with a spare that is EXACTLY the same as the regular wheels - aluminum rim and all. No need to drive around on an ugly steel wheel. The problem was fixed, just disappointed to have the vehicle at the dealer 4 times in the first two weeks.
The rides are similar between the two vehicles. Though our Yukon has Autoride which is a computerized dampening system intended to smooth-out the ride. The seats in the Yukon are far more comfortable and adjustable - almost like La-Z-Boy recliners on long trips. Though we do not have power seats in the Sequoia so perhaps a power option would allow for more support in different areas. I will say I am comparing a decked-out Yukon to a SR5 Sequoia . So many creature comforts like leather and heated seats may be swaying my opinion. A better comparison might be with the Limited model. The Sequoia is noticibly bigger on the inside (and outside) which is good and bad depending on what you are doing with it.
Engine noise and power are also about even. The Sequoia is noticably quieter and gets a hair better gas mileage. (Yukon 15-16 MPG and Sequoia around 17). The GMC feels more powerful but I am not sure if it is a "feeling" or reality.
Transmissions are both good. No abrupt shifts, clunking or hesitation. One gripe on the Sequoia is that the shifting lever seems touchy. Like I always go past drive and then have to come back to it. Maybe it should feel a little more notchy. You do get used to it after while though. The Yukon tows our boat a little bit better. Again, though, I attribute some of this to the Autoride system which is also a self-leveling system and adjusts itself for towing. As someone stated earlier towing depends a lot on the rear end. It was said that a Sequoia comes standard with a 4.10 rear end. If that is so it means poorer gas mileage but better towing. The Yukon has the 4.10 as a no cost option. I did not opt for it since I am not really doing any heavy towing on a long-term basis.
Lastly, and this is where I think the Yukon wins to the disgreement of others here, is layout, controls and amenities. The Sequoia stereo is horrible - lacking bass and any type of real sound. The Sequoia climate control system has to be on recirc to not blow cold air on you all the time (thanks to whomever gave me that tip - you were correct). The fan only has 4 (or 5) speeds. The controls are all on different stalks mounted all over the column. Lights, front and rear wipers and cruise are all on seperate stalks. Since the Sequoia is primarily my wife's vehicle I go nuts when I get in the vehicle and try to turn on wipers and the rears go on. In my OPINION the contol layouts are not very intuitive. You actually have to learn them - not very Toyota-like. I did not have to learn controls in the Yukon. Lights are a dial on the dash. Wipers and cruise are on one stalk same as the turn signal.
Sorry for being so long-winded. That is my best comparison of the two vehicles. To me, the Yukon wins, mostly because of things mention in the previous paragraph and overall comfort of the seats on long trips. However, there is no buyer regret in eitehr vehicle.
My Toyota dealer told me that my truck has been sent back to the plant for examination. I guess they are going to take the engine apart to find out what went wrong. I think the Sequoia will be a great truck in the future when they get the problems solved.
Where did you purchase your Sequoia ?
Bottom line for me is that you get a lot more bang for the buck in the Yukon especially after considering negotiated price and financing/leasing rates. Personally if the prices were even, I think I would lean towards the Toyota but paying many $k less for another great truck with a lot more features I am now leaning towards the Yukon.
I'm sure Tahoe owners would like to know about this. Care to post a link, article, TSB, or anything that can substantiate your post?
2. Got a scrape on my front bumper and adjacent fender skirt a while back. Two touch-up paint jobs later and the dealer still cannot match the trim color [I have the Desert Sand Mica with silver/gray looking trim]. Any suggestions, other than repainting all the trim and bumpers?
3. The new Sequoia front end alignment specs posted recently make an big improvement in driving ease, especially in strong winds. Highly recommended.
Thanks!
In terms of 4WD, I think I prefer the trooper's although I have not yet had the sequoia perform in a situation where it was necessary. I'm not sure that the brake application to prevent wheel slippage in the 3 open diff scenario is an optimal configuration for offroad driving but I should be able to say more on that in the future. Definitely the sequoia is a heavier truck, and from that perspective I prefer the trooper for offroad fun. I view the sequoia as more of a all purpose SUV that is good for road trips, and a truck that can do the dirt roads etc, but not a truck that I would necessarily want to use for offroad abuse. For example, toyota advertises a skid plate for the center diff, but if you look at it, it's a 4x4" plate mounted to the diff itself. The trooper has a huge skid plate that is mounted to the under body/frame protecting the TOD unit (i.e. equivalent to the center diff). Of course the spare under the sequoia is another situation where one is asking for a flat if doing heavy offroad work over tree limbs, rocks, etc--some disagree on this point. The step rails would likely be ripped off the sequoia in heavy duty offroad rockcrawling abuse. The sequoia only has the 50:50 split lockup in 4Lo 1st gear.
In terms of road handling the trooper handles very well on the hgy and in the city. I think the trooper is a little more agile in the city (as well as it would be in tight offroad situations). The sequoia is a real cruiser on the hgy though. It is a very quiet truck. Quieter than our FORD windstar van was (now gone thank heaven) and quieter than the trooper. I had the sequoia up to highway speeds and it felt, steered, and maneuvered the same as at 60. The sequoia has a huge number of perks that you don't get in the trooper, like the auto wind down window in the rear (from the control for going down and from the key in the back for up or down); rear air conditioning with rear controls for back passengers through ducts along the side of the roof that don't seem to affect head room at all; auto wind down windows using the key in the drivers door; mpg meter, temp, and compass; multway driver's seat with power adjustable lumbar support, roof rack, 6200 lb towing with tranny cooler, 3rd row seats of course.
The controls on the trooper and the sequoia are very similar. Some here want cruise on the steering wheel, stereo controls on the steering wheel etc. I don't care about that (i've had that before and its not necessary). I do care about a vehicle that will holdup for the long haul and the many miles. I don't want my steering ripped apart to fix a stereo, if it came to that.
Anyways, those are some of my comparisons. I drive my trooper most the time except on road trips. My wife drives the sequoia--she's the one shuttling the kids most of the time.
I think this post is long enough, so good luck in your search.
As for your question you asked me a few days ago that I skirted past: I think most manufacturers fudge their numbers a bit, and towing is where I think the Big 3 are guilty. Besides, if they wanted the Seq to tow more, I'm sure they could've made it handle like an Expy or Sub. Boy, I can see the flaming darts coming now. Bring it on, I've got lots of miles in all of them, and I'll take the Seq anyday.
The Sequoia is a wonderful vehicle -- the stereo situation is just a minor nuisance which will be fixed one way or another as soon as I can determine whether Toyota will be cooperative in offering help.
It seems to me that for day-to-day activities, the traction and stability control features would be more than adequate. I would love to save the few grand by going for the 2WD, but am a little worried about handling in rainy/snowy conditions. Obviously 4WD is an asset here, but is it necessary? Thanks in advance.
John
PS Saw the Sequoia advertised for near invoice for the first time this week (hardly ever see it mentioned in ads at all). Looks like the deep discounts on the Expedition (below invoice *plus* 2.9% for 5 years is a lay-up by me for the Expy) are taking their toll.
I am about to sell my two-story trailer and good rabbit dog, put my first-born child on the black market, and go into 10+ years debt on a new Sequoia, and was pondering several questions......
* Is it better to buy a SR5 and load it up with Distributor installed options, or buy a Limited version and have mostly factory installed options?
* Is the resale on a Sequoia better with factory installed options?
*Who makes the stuff the distributor installs? Is it the same as the factory suppliers?....leather interior parts for example.
* Is there any quality difference between the factory and distributor installed options?
* Who invented Spam and Baco's?....oh so sorry, I digress.
Patiently awaiting an experienced and educated response.....
With respect to the Seq., we got an SR5 with less frills than the Limited and saved about $1,500. The things that you can't get in a loaded SR5 are full leather, heated seats, folding side mirrors, rear spoiler, fog lights, and some other minor things including the "Limited" badge on the rear gate. Other people might want to add to my list.
I believe all the options that we picked were factory installed. We can live without these things, though it would be nice if heated seats are offered with the leather option we got. Of course, I ordered my truck from a dealer in Northern VA and didn't have to deal with the scamming ways of the dealers of another region of the country that I've heard about.
We checked with a couple of dealers in our Navy Federal Credit Union's prefered dealer network and got a decent price for our Seq. Note that not all dealers in the network are as competitive as some others. Check around.
Anyhow, I may buy a Limited just for a few more gadgets for my kids to destroy and for the piece of mind that maybe most of my vehicle is "original".
By the way, impressed that someone actually knows what SPAM means and that they actually have a web site.
Cheers,
Con